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1008 clicks; posted to STEM » on 28 Sep 2021 at 1:04 PM (3 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2021-09-28 1:10:58 PM  
only nic cage can walk around a steakhouse shoeless

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2021-09-28 2:26:29 PM  
It's all fun and games until someone winds up as their own grandmother.

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2021-09-28 4:01:20 PM  
Figuring out what to do with nuclear waste is an artificial problem. Here's what you do. You walk away from the anti-proliferation treaty. It doesn't work anymore. The basic technology is 70-80 years old and North Korea has the bomb. Pakistan has the bomb. If North Korea has it, the only people who don't have no real interest in it.

Walk away from the treaty, reprocess the spent nuclear fuel and reuse it. There, problem solved.
 
2021-09-28 4:02:30 PM  
And yes I typed don't have no real interest because this is so stupid that it has broken my brain.
 
2021-09-28 5:01:49 PM  

BolloxReader: Figuring out what to do with nuclear waste is an artificial problem. Here's what you do. You walk away from the anti-proliferation treaty. It doesn't work anymore. The basic technology is 70-80 years old and North Korea has the bomb. Pakistan has the bomb. If North Korea has it, the only people who don't have no real interest in it.

Walk away from the treaty, reprocess the spent nuclear fuel and reuse it. There, problem solved.


Uh, it's still nuclear waste when you craft it into a bomb. The only way to "use it" is to detonate it. What are you advocating for here, exactly?
 
2021-09-28 5:15:42 PM  

BolloxReader: And yes I typed don't have no real interest because this is so stupid that it has broken my brain.


Yeah, imagine being so farking stupid that you think the obvious best solution to dealing with a bunch of rich farks trashing the planet so they can use monopoly money to fund sex trafficking is to simply let them carry on their merry way and build more nuclear weapons with the byproduct.
 
2021-09-28 8:05:08 PM  

BolloxReader: Figuring out what to do with nuclear waste is an artificial problem. Here's what you do. You walk away from the anti-proliferation treaty. It doesn't work anymore. The basic technology is 70-80 years old and North Korea has the bomb. Pakistan has the bomb. If North Korea has it, the only people who don't have no real interest in it.

Walk away from the treaty, reprocess the spent nuclear fuel and reuse it. There, problem solved.


This is a weird (?) argument I have heard recently. Countries that want the bomb get it. Treaty or no treaty, it happens. And yet, Japan and Germany have many nuclear reactors and even plutonium stockpiles, but no nuclear weapons. India and Pakistan have actually calmed down since going nuclear.

Why.... why.... it is almost as if nuclear power and nuclear weapons have little do do with one another. I don't buy the argument really, but it lays bare the real problem, which is that war and international relations are the problem, not the technology. Humans are the problem.

And of course, Thorium reactors would go a long way to making bomb development that much more difficult from a technical perspective.
 
2021-09-28 8:26:21 PM  

emtwo: BolloxReader: Figuring out what to do with nuclear waste is an artificial problem. Here's what you do. You walk away from the anti-proliferation treaty. It doesn't work anymore. The basic technology is 70-80 years old and North Korea has the bomb. Pakistan has the bomb. If North Korea has it, the only people who don't have no real interest in it.

Walk away from the treaty, reprocess the spent nuclear fuel and reuse it. There, problem solved.

Uh, it's still nuclear waste when you craft it into a bomb. The only way to "use it" is to detonate it. What are you advocating for here, exactly?


The only way to use it is...well... there are lots of ways. You can leave it lying around, you can send it somewhere for reprocessing, you can put the 235U and 238U into a molten salt and pump it through a reactor, you can make plutonium and then use that.... Historically, vanishingly small fractions of "nuclear waste" have been used for detonation.

And unfortunately, the first of those options is what most countries are choosing today.

I don't know what is going to snap humanity out of its funky propensity for war, but to me, and maybe it is JUST me,  humans have so many better and more rewarding things to do. We need to move along and forget all this useless squabbling. War is, at the very best, a zero sum game. Nuclear weapons are certainly not the best use of nuclear power. Iran (?) and North Korea have learned... actually they have been taught... that they will not get respect and independence without nuclear weapons. So they develop them.

Technological development, agriculture, education, medical advancement... all give hundredfold returns to human effort. Nuclear power can support all of those, but countries that emphasize weapons and not the nuclear power per se have not figured that out. It took the US and the USSR half a century to figure out that nuclear weapons are worthless if you can't keep your society together.
 
2021-09-28 8:33:49 PM  
Want to make the observation that, oh, about 6 months to a year ago, there were similar press snippets claiming that "bitcoin is going to be great for the development of solar PV." As far as I know, that has not really happened.

What has changed?

Well, I am guessing the scale. Bitcoin miners, in their increasing desperation, are figuring out that having electricity only when the sun shines and then paying for grid electricity is way way too expensive. They are also figuring out that environmentalists will start an uproar if they burn coal for bitcoins. Hence, the rush for nuclear.

Well good luck!!

So now the burden on humanity will be to provide as much electricity as people WANT, not need. AND it will need to provide that amount for an increasing population. AND it will have to replace the current capacity served by fossil fuels AND it will have to do that more or less with existing infrastructure AND it must continue to be dependable and cheap!!!

Looks like we have our work cut out for us, everyone! Let's all try a little bit harder and tighten our belts! Right? Right?
 
2021-09-28 9:07:55 PM  

2fardownthread: The only way to use it is...well... there are lots of ways. You can leave it lying around, you can send it somewhere for reprocessing, you can put the 235U and 238U into a molten salt and pump it through a reactor, you can make plutonium and then use that.... Historically, vanishingly small fractions of "nuclear waste" have been used for detonation.


Yes, there are many things you can do with nuclear waste. I'm just pointing out that using it to craft more bombs is not "reusing" it unless the bombs are detonated.
 
2021-09-28 9:09:04 PM  

2fardownthread: So now the burden on humanity will be to provide as much electricity as people WANT, not need. AND it will need to provide that amount for an increasing population. AND it will have to replace the current capacity served by fossil fuels AND it will have to do that more or less with existing infrastructure AND it must continue to be dependable and cheap!!!


Nah, we just need domestic laws and international treaties to outlaw crypto mining.
 
2021-09-29 12:56:33 AM  

emtwo: 2fardownthread: So now the burden on humanity will be to provide as much electricity as people WANT, not need. AND it will need to provide that amount for an increasing population. AND it will have to replace the current capacity served by fossil fuels AND it will have to do that more or less with existing infrastructure AND it must continue to be dependable and cheap!!!

Nah, we just need domestic laws and international treaties to outlaw crypto mining.


Or a supervillain. I think that's our best hope. Maybe one will come along and kill everyone who buys, sells, or spends Crypto, and that particular problem will go away.

Then we just to hope that supervillain had some other good views they want to force upon us all, like vaccination.

The older I get, they surer I am democracy cannot ever save us, and benevolent dictatorship is not going to happen. So I find myself hoping for ambivalent dictatorship.
 
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