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2021-09-28 1:10:42 PM  
Travis Jackson is the name I go buy on my Randy Travis/Allen Jackson cover band.
 
2021-09-28 1:53:55 PM  
Wasn't that a plot to a Billy Bob Thorton movie?  They were the sleepover bandits or something?

/Too lazy to google
 
2021-09-28 1:56:53 PM  
All that planning and they couldn't think of gloves and leaving the cell phones at home
 
2021-09-28 1:57:41 PM  
There's always one in every comment section...


CNN won't be reporting this. Wonder if the WSJ or Washington Post will? I swear this country has turned into Grand Theft Auto 2021 LIVE!
 
2021-09-28 1:57:46 PM  
Why didn't they just try Afghanistan banana stand?
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2021-09-28 2:02:05 PM  
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2021-09-28 2:05:49 PM  

stuhayes2010: Wasn't that a plot to a Billy Bob Thorton movie?  They were the sleepover bandits or something?

/Too lazy to google


Harrison Ford and I want to say Paul Bettany as the bad guy.
 
2021-09-28 2:07:11 PM  
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2021-09-28 2:11:02 PM  

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This should happen more!  A lot more! Lets hope something vital was cut.
 
2021-09-28 2:12:34 PM  
When I was a kid I wasn't allowed to tell the kids at school that my dad managed a bank in case any of their parents were dumb enough to try and kidnap me as part of a bank robbery plot.
 
2021-09-28 2:14:48 PM  
How the hell did they defeat the time locks? (Article was paywalled for me)

When I worked in branches, like 20 years ago, we had multiple ways to trigger a silent alarm, all over the place. The way you open a safe can be done in different patterns. We were trained to change the pattern in a very slight way to trigger a silent alarm, but still open the vault. Inside the vault were a variety of triggers. Essentially, it's pretty damn hard to force bank employees to do anything without multiple, very difficult to detect opportunities to trigger a silent alarm.

Most robbers hit the teller line and GTFO. It's the best strategy, to move very fast and get the hell away. Going into the vault? That takes time. By the time you reach the vault, an astute employee will have already tripped at least one silent alarm.
 
2021-09-28 2:15:36 PM  

stuhayes2010: Wasn't that a plot to a Billy Bob Thorton movie?  They were the sleepover bandits or something?

/Too lazy to google


Bandits, w/ billybob, Bruce Willis, and Cate Blanchett.  They were called the Sleepover Bandits.
 
2021-09-28 2:21:10 PM  

beezeltown: How the hell did they defeat the time locks? (Article was paywalled for me)

When I worked in branches, like 20 years ago, we had multiple ways to trigger a silent alarm, all over the place. The way you open a safe can be done in different patterns. We were trained to change the pattern in a very slight way to trigger a silent alarm, but still open the vault. Inside the vault were a variety of triggers. Essentially, it's pretty damn hard to force bank employees to do anything without multiple, very difficult to detect opportunities to trigger a silent alarm.

Most robbers hit the teller line and GTFO. It's the best strategy, to move very fast and get the hell away. Going into the vault? That takes time. By the time you reach the vault, an astute employee will have already tripped at least one silent alarm.


This a great farking movie. 
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2021-09-28 2:22:11 PM  
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2021-09-28 2:25:44 PM  

beezeltown: How the hell did they defeat the time locks? (Article was paywalled for me)

When I worked in branches, like 20 years ago, we had multiple ways to trigger a silent alarm, all over the place. The way you open a safe can be done in different patterns. We were trained to change the pattern in a very slight way to trigger a silent alarm, but still open the vault. Inside the vault were a variety of triggers. Essentially, it's pretty damn hard to force bank employees to do anything without multiple, very difficult to detect opportunities to trigger a silent alarm.

Most robbers hit the teller line and GTFO. It's the best strategy, to move very fast and get the hell away. Going into the vault? That takes time. By the time you reach the vault, an astute employee will have already tripped at least one silent alarm.


Even my home alarm system had that (in my last house). If you are being coerced you enter your code plus one. The alarm in the house goes off and looks disarmed, but it calls the company and they call the police.

Ask me how I found out.

The alarm company wouldn't even accept my password, as I might have been coerced to give it.
 
2021-09-28 2:26:32 PM  

stuhayes2010: Wasn't that a plot to a Billy Bob Thorton movie?  They were the sleepover bandits or something?

/Too lazy to google


Yes it was.

Bruce Willis, Billy Bob Thornton.  It was literally called "Bandits" and that was their method of robbing banks.
 
2021-09-28 2:29:37 PM  
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2021-09-28 2:47:04 PM  

ciarraic: stuhayes2010: Wasn't that a plot to a Billy Bob Thorton movie?  They were the sleepover bandits or something?

/Too lazy to google

Bandits, w/ billybob, Bruce Willis, and Cate Blanchett.  They were called the Sleepover Bandits.


Based on a great Elmore Leonard book. Great author, lots more great books! Read, America, read!
 
2021-09-28 2:55:43 PM  

SpectroBoy: beezeltown: How the hell did they defeat the time locks? (Article was paywalled for me)

When I worked in branches, like 20 years ago, we had multiple ways to trigger a silent alarm, all over the place. The way you open a safe can be done in different patterns. We were trained to change the pattern in a very slight way to trigger a silent alarm, but still open the vault. Inside the vault were a variety of triggers. Essentially, it's pretty damn hard to force bank employees to do anything without multiple, very difficult to detect opportunities to trigger a silent alarm.

Most robbers hit the teller line and GTFO. It's the best strategy, to move very fast and get the hell away. Going into the vault? That takes time. By the time you reach the vault, an astute employee will have already tripped at least one silent alarm.

Even my home alarm system had that (in my last house). If you are being coerced you enter your code plus one. The alarm in the house goes off and looks disarmed, but it calls the company and they call the police.

Ask me how I found out.

The alarm company wouldn't even accept my password, as I might have been coerced to give it.


Way back in the day, those of us who had codes to the alarm system at work had to get a refresher demonstration on proper arming and disarming.  One of the managers entered his code then hit "A" to arm it, locked the door, and went home.  Yeah, no.  Hitting "A" dispatched an amberlamps.  (Hitting "F" would get a fire truck.  Hitting "P" summoned the popo.)  So the ambulance crew showed up to a locked and dark building thinking there was someone unresponsive inside...

When I bought my current house, there was an alarm panel.  By the master bedroom, not the front door.  It wasn't connected to anything.  WTF?  Patching that hole was one of my first projects.  There was a lot of weird shiat in the house that seemed like projects that were started and never finished.
 
2021-09-28 3:07:26 PM  
FTFA: Prosecutors say the robbery spree began in the early morning hours on Sept. 14, 2018, when an employee of Trustmark Bank returned home from her second job

Man, fark this shiatty country.
 
2021-09-28 3:11:51 PM  

beezeltown: How the hell did they defeat the time locks? (Article was paywalled for me)

When I worked in branches, like 20 years ago, we had multiple ways to trigger a silent alarm, all over the place. The way you open a safe can be done in different patterns. We were trained to change the pattern in a very slight way to trigger a silent alarm, but still open the vault. Inside the vault were a variety of triggers. Essentially, it's pretty damn hard to force bank employees to do anything without multiple, very difficult to detect opportunities to trigger a silent alarm.

Most robbers hit the teller line and GTFO. It's the best strategy, to move very fast and get the hell away. Going into the vault? That takes time. By the time you reach the vault, an astute employee will have already tripped at least one silent alarm.


If they have the person's spouse or kid and they think they're going to get a Columbian Necktie at the first sign of sirens, I'm just sayin' they might refrain from using that training and just give them the money.
 
2021-09-28 3:16:10 PM  
Why did the third person only get 11.5 years - that kidnapping involved a mother and a three year old.. at gunpoint.

Frankly, that kind of sh*t deserves life w/out parole for anyone involved
 
2021-09-28 3:43:36 PM  

TheOtherGuy: beezeltown: How the hell did they defeat the time locks? (Article was paywalled for me)

When I worked in branches, like 20 years ago, we had multiple ways to trigger a silent alarm, all over the place. The way you open a safe can be done in different patterns. We were trained to change the pattern in a very slight way to trigger a silent alarm, but still open the vault. Inside the vault were a variety of triggers. Essentially, it's pretty damn hard to force bank employees to do anything without multiple, very difficult to detect opportunities to trigger a silent alarm.

Most robbers hit the teller line and GTFO. It's the best strategy, to move very fast and get the hell away. Going into the vault? That takes time. By the time you reach the vault, an astute employee will have already tripped at least one silent alarm.

If they have the person's spouse or kid and they think they're going to get a Columbian Necktie at the first sign of sirens, I'm just sayin' they might refrain from using that training and just give them the money.


TFA didn't say anything about kidnapped or threatened loved ones, though. If there's any risk of anyone getting hurt, the rule was to just let them have the money. If it was an in and out type situation, there were plenty of ways to trigger silently.

The time locks, though. You can't open the door (without a shiatload of dynamite or drilling for hours) until the time lock disengages. There is no practical way to get into a vault, after hours. Teller safes have similar features. They don't hold much, though, maybe $20k or less (usually a lot less).
 
2021-09-28 4:03:13 PM  

beezeltown: TFA didn't say anything about kidnapped or threatened loved ones, though. If there's any risk of anyone getting hurt, the rule was to just let them have the money. If it was an in and out type situation, there were plenty of ways to trigger silently.


One of the people taken had their toddler with them at the time, I'm sure it said.  Several others appear to have had family at home when they were taken.  It only stands to reason.  Besides, there's always your own neck.  Did the bank tell you that you were supposed to push an alarm while staring down the barrel of a gun, 'cause that's pretty sick that they'd directly ask you to die for their money.

IDK about the time locks.  Is it possible that isn't an industry standard, but instead one of those things where some banks think it's a good idea and some don't?
 
2021-09-28 4:22:09 PM  

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Goldman Sachs was selling CDO bonds through 2008 and selling insurance on those same AAA rated bonds to other investors since they knew the CDOs were worth less than dog shiat.  After the crash they received the equivalent of hundreds of billions of dollars in bailout benefits and profited handsomely by ditching the assets leading up to the crash.
Not one Goldman or ratings agency executive was arrested or faced charges.  Even worse the chief risk officers were not even questioned.  The sec of Treasury was Hank Paulson who's last job was CEO of Goldman, and his lackey Geithner punished regulators who tried to sound the alarm bell as early as 2004.  Millions of Americans lost their homes and or everything.
/Black men are accused of passing a fake $50 bill or loitering and are publicly executed without trial.
//Murica
 
2021-09-28 4:25:53 PM  
I would have given them each around 50 years just for kidnapping a 3 year old. Then I'd start adding in the other kidnapping charges for the bank employees. Then I'd add armed robbery/bank robbery charges. Just for chuckles I'd also add in some stalking charges.

The longest sentence any of them got was 45 years, they got lucky. Hopefully they get in trouble in prison and wind up adding 10 or 20 more years to their time.

This case just goes to show that no security system is foolproof. When push comes to shove the criminals can just put a gun in your face and steal whatever it is they are trying to steal. It doesn't matter if it's your cellphone, your car, or the money in the bank where you work.
 
2021-09-28 5:16:57 PM  

Hey Nurse!: All that planning and they couldn't think of gloves and leaving the cell phones at home


Someone I know tried to commit murder-for-hire and got caught because she bought a burner phone, not knowing that the cops could identify where and when it was bought and just watch her buying it on the store's security video. She's highly intelligent, but apparently lacking in common sense. People also don't know what's possible these days, tech-wise.
 
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2021-09-28 6:34:51 PM  

beezeltown: TheOtherGuy: beezeltown: How the hell did they defeat the time locks? (Article was paywalled for me)

When I worked in branches, like 20 years ago, we had multiple ways to trigger a silent alarm, all over the place. The way you open a safe can be done in different patterns. We were trained to change the pattern in a very slight way to trigger a silent alarm, but still open the vault. Inside the vault were a variety of triggers. Essentially, it's pretty damn hard to force bank employees to do anything without multiple, very difficult to detect opportunities to trigger a silent alarm.

Most robbers hit the teller line and GTFO. It's the best strategy, to move very fast and get the hell away. Going into the vault? That takes time. By the time you reach the vault, an astute employee will have already tripped at least one silent alarm.

If they have the person's spouse or kid and they think they're going to get a Columbian Necktie at the first sign of sirens, I'm just sayin' they might refrain from using that training and just give them the money.

TFA didn't say anything about kidnapped or threatened loved ones, though. If there's any risk of anyone getting hurt, the rule was to just let them have the money. If it was an in and out type situation, there were plenty of ways to trigger silently.

The time locks, though. You can't open the door (without a shiatload of dynamite or drilling for hours) until the time lock disengages. There is no practical way to get into a vault, after hours. Teller safes have similar features. They don't hold much, though, maybe $20k or less (usually a lot less).


Well, simply thinking about things like workplace safety and modern technology, that obviously either these banks did not have these sorts of locks, or else TFA doesn't accurately describe the whole scenario.  For all we know, they weren't driven immediately back to the bank but instead the kidnappers waited until close to the safe's time lock disengaging for the morning's business hours.

Hey Nurse!: All that planning and they couldn't think of gloves and leaving the cell phones at home


Yeah.  If they didn't want to get caught then first, they should have used offline GPS loggers that would record the vehicle's route without transmitting, then recover the loggers and pull data off.  Second, they should have left their phones at home.  Third, they should have worn gloves from the moment before opening the pack of zipties.


As for the bank that they managed to score $400,000 at, did they luck-out and rob a bank on a Thursday night or Friday morning after the Brinks delivery prior to a day where they expected to cash-out payroll checks?  Seems like an awful lot of money for a bank to have on-hand in an era of predominately electronic transactions.
 
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