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2021-09-28 7:33:49 AM  
45 votes:

NotCodger: "Heating, electricity, gas, water? These things caneasily add up to $500 to $1000 dollars per month."

Where the fark is he living?


Texas.
 
2021-09-28 8:41:51 AM  
38 votes:
And a Royale with Cheese is called a Quarter Pounder with Cheese!!!
 
2021-09-28 8:04:42 AM  
34 votes:
Most Americans:
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2021-09-28 8:35:13 AM  
34 votes:
Did this guy get kicked out of Europe or something?
 
2021-09-28 8:47:31 AM  
25 votes:
I see all his points but when I get rich via the lottery, a rich remote relative or my instatube influencer channel takes off, it won't be as much of a problem.
 
2021-09-28 8:58:36 AM  
25 votes:
FTA: But I'm getting ahead of myself. Let me start over. American life is the biggest ripoff in the world. Or at least one of the biggest, in the top five, certainly. Just...existing. It costs way, way more than it should. So much so that America cannot ever move forward as a society. So, trapped in a cycle, which economists call a "poverty trap," Americans now stay poor.

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/I would visit a doctor about my hearing problem, but I obviously can't afford it.  THE PRICE OF FREEDOM.
 
2021-09-28 8:42:08 AM  
19 votes:
It's too early to hear from some smug euro smelling their own farts.

"And what I get in America is way, way worse. At least half of the junk on TV is ads, I don't get the wonderful and illuminating and sparkling stuff that European TV makes on a regular basis, from good coverage of global affairs to politics to economics to ground-breaking shows and movies."

Wow, surprised they didn't claim that they don't even own a TV.
 
2021-09-28 9:17:38 AM  
17 votes:
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2021-09-28 8:56:51 AM  
15 votes:
A lot of people in this thread sound like time share owners defending their purchase. "America is not just a fun time one week a year, it's also a valuable investment."
 
2021-09-28 8:44:25 AM  
13 votes:

NotCodger: "Heating, electricity, gas, water? These things caneasily add up to $500 to $1000 dollars per month."

Where the fark is he living?


I was wondering that. I live in St. Louis.  Water is 60, electricity is 200, gas is 140 - that's budget billing numbers. And that's in a 4800 sq ft house with 7 people living in it. Of course, the author also stated the average income is 35,000, but then proceeded to use that number as an example of what families pay. Most families don't have a single income. There's a lot of cherry picking going on in that article. The solution is simple. If you don't like it here, get the fark out.
 
2021-09-28 10:00:30 AM  
7 votes:

Father_Jack: Lochaber_Axe: The times I have been in Europe (Germany, Poland, France, does Belarus count?) I thought the TV was horrible.  The shows were vapid and cheesy and most just tried to copy what America was doing.  They showed all the weird sports, strange music videos (a tough looking German guy singing a song called "Gangsta Rap" is one example) and lots of other just boring stuff. Maybe he's right about the news though but I didn't watch much of that.

would tend to agree about much of the TV content.

the main difference is, at least here in Germany and in France as well, the "PBS and NPR equivalents" are much bigger, better funded, and more visible. They also make fantastic documentaries and nature content about reefs and sharks and birds ...environmental stuff.

German TV has a lot of American style dreck but you can at least turn to reliable, solid govt funded programming that is designed to fosture cultural appreciation and factual information, and not just induce outrage at whatever partisan BS du jour is being thrown across Fox news.

they also subsidize a lot of artsy stuff... the extent of which can be surprising.


When I want to see the arts, I tune to the Arts and Entertainment channel.
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2021-09-28 8:46:13 AM  
6 votes:
Every Umar Haique article is the same article.  America is stupid.  Americans are stupid.  Everyone is stupid but Umar Haique.

Where to begin with how stupid you are:

How much do I pay for internet and TV in Europe? About thirty dollars, give or take. How much do I pay in America? $150.

OK, well, just use the antenna then.  You don't need to pay for TV at all.

That's five times as much. And what I get in America is way, way worse. At least half of the junk on TV is ads, I don't get the wonderful and illuminating and sparkling stuff that European TV makes on a regular basis, from good coverage of global affairs to politics to economics to ground-breaking shows and movies. I'm getting massively, massively ripped off. Why? Let me answer, with another example.

This is not remotely accurate.  There is plenty of trash on TV in Europe.  For example, every nation in Europe has their own Wheel of Fortune.

Let's take utility bills. They're astronomical in America compared to the rest of the rich world, and even much of the rest of the world period. Heating, electricity, gas, water? These things can easily add up to $500 to $1000 dollars per month.

I guess they easily could if I lived in a gargantuan, drafty house, but I've never paid more than $300 in a month for all of that and I live in a place with very hot summers and my house still has the original windows from 1964.

Every Umar Haique article sounds like it's written by an 18 year-old who went to Europe for a week and now knows how the rest of the world works and you've never been to Europe so you don't.
 
2021-09-28 8:58:06 AM  
6 votes:

NotCodger: "Heating, electricity, gas, water? These things caneasily add up to $500 to $1000 dollars per month."

Where the fark is he living?


Denial. It's a flyover state.
 
2021-09-28 2:20:52 AM  
5 votes:
In other words...
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2021-09-28 2:53:03 AM  
5 votes:
Nah
people overpay for a ton of shiat because they think bigger is better when they didn't even need the thing in the first place.
They have nothing inside their heads so they look to material goods for satisfaction.

//man that would have been an embarrassing typo
 
2021-09-28 7:47:07 AM  
5 votes:
The Y axis on that graph reads like a line out of a TMBG song.
 
2021-09-28 8:42:53 AM  
5 votes:
Americans bought into the American Dream and were sold a bill of sale. I like to enjoy nice things, but know my financial limitations.
 
2021-09-28 8:46:57 AM  
5 votes:
I've recently moved to the States - shudder - for a year or two.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
 
2021-09-28 9:14:16 AM  
5 votes:
Neat. Call me in 20 years when you're settled in, and let me know how awful it is.

Meanwhile, my 22 year old niece moved to Berlin a few months ago (from Indiana) and took a crappy job to make ends meet. Guess what? She, too, is having a hard time. Everything is crazy expensive. And she says that if she listens to music or talks on the phone above a whisper after 8PM, the local police come and order her to be silent. I have no idea how much of that is true, but I do know that young idealists, who lack life experience, tend to be pissed off about everything, wherever they may be. Such is life.

So, anyway, Mr. Pissed-off foreigner talking about "America the shiathole:" there's a whole world you can go be pissed-off about. Wander around a bit. Take that righteous indignation to a few other places. Europe is not a model of perfection. If it was, why would you leave?

You want cheap? Go to Mexico. Real cheap. Except for the bribes, protection money, your car getting stolen, etc. Like everything orderly and functional? Japan is awesome! You're not allowed to move there, and if you thought America was expensive, good lord, you have no clue. So many other affordable places in the planet. Of course there won't be great internet. Or economic opportunities (at all), or medicine, or protection from roving gangs/warlords/utterly corrupt officials.

The world is big and chock full of problems. Your Utopian destination doesn't exist. If you find it, go there. But until then, you're going to have to slog your way through, like everybody else on the planet who finds a sense of stability. It may be easier going in some places, but you usually trade something, in return.
 
2021-09-28 9:36:48 AM  
5 votes:
I'm seeing a lot of "If you don't like it, leave" responses here, and a lot of comments about what a douche the author is, and not much refuting his actual point.

I'm currently paying $240 a month for standard cable & 1200 MBPS internet, and trying to get it down to something more affordable while still maintaining useful service levels is a nightmare. The whole Comcast system is a mess of "special deals" and "limited offers" and "you can't get THIS if you have THAT, but we can cancel THOSE and save you $7 per month" until your head is spinning with all the bullsh*t. I would absolutely welcome some cheap, government-run version of cable service.

American healthcare is the same, an intentionally byzantine labyrinth of baffling options designed to be so confusing that the consumer just throws up their hands and pays whatever. You pay your insurance, you pay your co-pay, you pay the bills that inexplicably show up 18 months later from a company you've never heard of... but at least it's not "socialism."

What most Americans don't seem to realize is that the rest of the world doesn't spend SO MUCH F*CKING TIME NEGOTIATING for every goddamn little thing in their lives. We're a nation of poor-to-middle-class people who've been conditioned to believe that we're "capitalists" who have the "freedom" of so many utterly similar options that it's exhausting just to get through the day without feeling like someone is ripping you off.

TL;DR: Every step of the way in America there's a middleman standing there with his hand out. We pay much more in exchange for much less than other developed countries, and stupid Americans who've never travelled farther than 50 miles from where they were born are absolutely convinced that this is the best system in the world.
 
2021-09-28 8:51:50 AM  
4 votes:

cretinbob: Nah
people overpay for a ton of shiat because they think bigger is better when they didn't even need the thing in the first place.
They have nothing inside their heads so they look to material goods for satisfaction.

//man that would have been an embarrassing typo


A lot of people would rather look well off than be well off.  This description fits the Trumps perfectly.  They give all the outwards appearances of being super rich but they've fought tooth and nail to keep the details of their financial lives hidden.  The public facts we do know, four bankruptcies and admissions of Russian financing, suggest a desperate situation indeed.  Is it any wonder so many people want to prop them up as icons?  If they can survive, maybe I have a chance.

One anecdote wrt this: I know a family who all voted for Trump.  They live in a shiatty apartment but the wife gets $50 manicures every other week while the husband keeps buying sports cars that are completely impractical for their family needs (two kids).  They always always always have new clothes every time I see them.  They have crap service industry jobs and have pulled every trick in the book to dodge creditors who keep on hounding them.  They've moved three times in the last five years.  Oh, and did I also mention that they are black?  Trump is their idol and if you ask me, it's because they see themselves in him.
 
2021-09-28 8:53:41 AM  
4 votes:
The average American income is about $35K per year. That's about $2400 a month, if you're lucky, after taxes. What bills are we up to? $1200 for a crappy apartment. A few hundreds, let's call it two or three, for connectivity. And another $500 or so for basic utilities. That leaves you with about $400 for the month, or just $100 dollars a week.
That's American life. That's why Americans feel so poor. Because they are. American life is a gigantic rip-offf.
The average American - after subtracting basic bills of shelter and utilities - has just $100 to spend on food, clothing, kids, medicine, all the other necessities.


OK, but Americans don't pay household expenses with an "average income".  They pay it with the median household income, which is $63,688.
 
2021-09-28 8:59:49 AM  
4 votes:

Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: A lot of people in this thread sound like time share owners defending their purchase. "America is not just a fun time one week a year, it's also a valuable investment."


Hey, I got this complementary toaster just for listening to the pitch meeting. Suck it, euros.
 
2021-09-28 9:26:43 AM  
4 votes:

Elandriel: This writersure does love his italics!


he seems..a bit STRIDENT...
but wait for it:
just like an infomercialthis went ON TOO LONG, with too much DRAMA!
BUT YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT
how could you know?
it's HARD to hear SOMEONE WHO IS SHOUTING, even whenwhat they say
is CORRECT

the style undermines the message- just sayin
 
2021-09-28 9:42:17 AM  
4 votes:
Keep in mind I made my last statement without so much as even reading the real article's headline let alone the article itself...
 
2021-09-28 9:57:52 AM  
4 votes:

GORDON: Nearly everything in that list is directly due to the government protectionism of the various industries.  And it isn't just a "republican-thing," as has been suggested.  Nothing get fixed by the Democrats, when they're in charge, either.


That's ludicrously untrue. Last time the Democrats were in charge they tried to fix healthcare.  The howling obstructionism from Republicans was deafening.

Get the hell out of here with your BSAB.
 
2021-09-28 10:17:47 AM  
4 votes:
I've read a lot of criticisms of America by non-Americans that are really silly -- like New York city dwellers can't grow their own food (because NYC is the place to live if you want to grow your own food).  But this one is totally spot on, from top to bottom, start to finish.  Should be required reading in all high schools (before the kids pile on a bunch of student debt) but it won't.  Young farkers  -- take note!  Spread this to all your friends.
 
2021-09-28 10:40:51 AM  
4 votes:

Subtonic: Father_Jack: Subtonic: And the cherry on top. Just move, stupid!

i did.That's why i'm saying you should too.

Next you'll ask why I don't just buy more money.


WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN

and sorry for coming across like a humblebragging douche. its a hard line to walk online.

on the one hand, if i provide a lot of numbers and details, it sounds like i'm tooting my horn. but if i dont provide deets, it sounds like just talking points and not "real".

anyway hard balance to strike.

/sorry
//you should still move tho, america sucks
 
2021-09-28 8:37:18 AM  
3 votes:
This writersure does love his italics!
 
2021-09-28 8:39:27 AM  
3 votes:
Americans DO know that but for the most part they can't put a finger on it. A third of people are incorrigible racists and blame the blah folk. Another third recognize the malign influence of boundless wealth theft and hoarding. And the last third are too unplugged to have more than the vaguest opinion.
 
2021-09-28 8:42:50 AM  
3 votes:
I've recently moved to the States - shudder - for a year or two.

I agree with the point. But when you start your entire argument off with this sentence, I dismiss you as a pompous douche.
 
2021-09-28 8:47:58 AM  
3 votes:
Unfortunately, for many/most 'muricans, The United States of America is the name of a planet, not a single country amongst many on a planet. Their view of the world ends at the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.
 
2021-09-28 8:51:29 AM  
3 votes:
Yes, that is the goal of any good capitalist rip people off while making then think othwrwise.
 
2021-09-28 8:52:49 AM  
3 votes:
You can tell the author is European because he didn't mention what a massive money suck cars are, probably because he doesn't drive.

The missing couple hundred bucks in his "utilities" section are easily fulfilled by a car payment/gas/repairs/insurance.
 
2021-09-28 9:02:57 AM  
3 votes:
Simply not having the correct price on a label in a shop annoys me the most. Paying sales tax at point of sale is infuriating because what I just picked up is suddenly x% more expensive.

Purely designed to make sure people think they're getting something cheaper than it actually is.
 
2021-09-28 9:36:00 AM  
3 votes:

TheDreadChefRoberts: harleyquinnical: Tr0mBoNe: Most Americans:
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Easy to get by the taste when it's the only taste most of us have ever known

This is my argument about American cheese.

To me it tastes like plastic, I grew up eating all sorts of processed cheese in plastic sheet form, in a brick, and from a jar.

At 15 I decided to stop eating processed cheese but it's all over the place. I managed to go about 6 months before

I was in a situation where it was offered to me on a sandwich, so I politely ate the food but the American cheese tasted strongly of plastic and was no longer enjoyable.

Give your tastebuds and the rest of your body a break from processed cheese and you will taste the difference.

Thank me next year!! Good luck it is worth escaping the fast food cycle of self loathing and unsatisfying meals.


You should make a grilled plastic sandwich and see how much a Kraft single actually tastes like plastic.

I bet you'll find plastic tastes nothing like processed cheese product at all.
 
2021-09-28 10:02:13 AM  
3 votes:

Rapmaster2000: The average American income is about $35K per year. That's about $2400 a month, if you're lucky, after taxes. What bills are we up to? $1200 for a crappy apartment. A few hundreds, let's call it two or three, for connectivity. And another $500 or so for basic utilities. That leaves you with about $400 for the month, or just $100 dollars a week.
That's American life. That's why Americans feel so poor. Because they are. American life is a gigantic rip-offf.
The average American - after subtracting basic bills of shelter and utilities - has just $100 to spend on food, clothing, kids, medicine, all the other necessities.

OK, but Americans don't pay household expenses with an "average income".  They pay it with the median household income, which is $63,688.


Being forced to live with other people in order to make ends meet is not ok. How many people are stuck in an abusive relationship because they can't afford $1400 for a one-bedroom apartment?
 
2021-09-28 10:50:38 AM  
3 votes:
I dislike the love it or leave it talking points about the U.S.

Americans are ignorant and selfish. This is true. The article is a bit meandering, but the general thesis is correct: We are too hoodwinked to acknowledge how over the barrel we really are. We've bought in and have dug our heels in to defend the indefensible. It's ingrained into us at a young age.
 
2021-09-28 5:02:08 PM  
3 votes:

tansa: America is only expensive when you are poor.

Democrats have a pretty good idea of what makes you not poor.

$400,000/year

From there on up, housing, health care and education become very manageable. Not to say you can't live comfortably on less, but that is where money is no longer an obstacle to much of anything.


Were you featured in this infographic several years ago?
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2021-09-28 8:42:13 AM  
2 votes:
Americans are suckers for patriotic propaganda, and therefore just assume that the USA is the greatest country in the world, despite being blatantly ripped off and lied to at nearly every turn.
 
2021-09-28 8:49:04 AM  
2 votes:

TofuTheAlmighty: Americans DO know that but for the most part they can't put a finger on it. A third of people are incorrigible racists and blame the blah folk. Another third recognize the malign influence of boundless wealth theft and hoarding. And the last third are too unplugged to have more than the vaguest opinion.


You left out that the billionaires collectively spend billions a year to make sure that the 2/3rds doesn't join the other 1/3rd and fix anything. Because it would cost them collectively trillions if we did.
 
2021-09-28 8:53:00 AM  
2 votes:

Hey Nurse!: There's a lot of cherry picking going on in that article.


Yes, some of the numbers are pretty skewed. It's not a well-vetted article, but the general point stands. Income tax in the US is relatively low, but we get very little in exchange for that. For those who haven't made it to well above average income & stability, it's a financial disaster.

Hey Nurse!: The solution is simple. If you don't like it here, get the fark out.


That's not simple at all. At least not if you don't have a ton of money. But the US is pretty comfortable in that case, too.
 
2021-09-28 9:01:29 AM  
2 votes:
Thanks for telling me, jerk-ass subby.

/ignorance is bliss
 
2021-09-28 9:11:15 AM  
2 votes:

ssaoi: I've recently moved to the States - shudder - for a year or two.

I agree with the point. But when you start your entire argument off with this sentence, I dismiss you as a pompous douche.


Between that and the "European tv is much better" the author started off intending to make everyone dislike him more than the real issues he wanted to comment on.
 
2021-09-28 9:32:53 AM  
2 votes:

harleyquinnical: Tr0mBoNe: Most Americans:
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Easy to get by the taste when it's the only taste most of us have ever known


This is my argument about American cheese.

To me it tastes like plastic, I grew up eating all sorts of processed cheese in plastic sheet form, in a brick, and from a jar.

At 15 I decided to stop eating processed cheese but it's all over the place. I managed to go about 6 months before

I was in a situation where it was offered to me on a sandwich, so I politely ate the food but the American cheese tasted strongly of plastic and was no longer enjoyable.

Give your tastebuds and the rest of your body a break from processed cheese and you will taste the difference.

Thank me next year!! Good luck it is worth escaping the fast food cycle of self loathing and unsatisfying meals.
 
2021-09-28 9:46:50 AM  
2 votes:
i do hate when people write about "europe", like it was some monolithic block with no differences in systems across the country.

the UK is not Norway is not Germany is not Switzerland is not Poland.

Author should be more specific.

That being said, i live in germany, and i can agree with much of what he's saying:

i earned 170k in the US per Year in the bay area. 3k in housing, 2k in childcare (part time, no frills), 600$ in student debt, plus health care, which was not cheap. Then car, car insurance, gas, (330, 100, 120 per month-ish)

so i needed to take home 5k just to pay the bills. not saving for myself, my kids education, or investments.

contrast that with here:
rent is 1500
childcare 330 per month (bilingual, with ballet and piano, meals included)
health care out of my check only, no bills
my employer pays my car, car insurance, and gives me free gas card, i just contribute a token % of purchase price out of my salary (my mercedes here costs less than my used jetta cost in CA)
phones are cheaper, but utilities feel about the same.
oh and groceries are super cheap here, at least for subsistence stuff. you wanna go to whole foods equiv you can spend the same but if youre just needing milk eggs cheese pasta and beer (1$ a bottle) you're gtg here.

so not only do i have a higher percentage of my salary left over for me, i dont have to worry about my kids college or medical bills.

oh and 30 days vacation per year plus all sorts of public holidays.

so, unless you're like a few friends of mine who work at google or salesforce and are closer to 300k a year or up, i think you do get a better, less stressful life over here. Even tho people can be pricks. But at least noone shoots you and the cops dont kill you if you're black.

i guess i'm advocating that americans should learn a foreign language and leave for somewhere in western europe. There are plenty of jobs here, come get one.
 
2021-09-28 9:55:41 AM  
2 votes:
FARK : 'It's not News, it's communist/socialist talking points'
 
2021-09-28 10:04:29 AM  
2 votes:

WhackingDay: I also think that a lot of this stems from our origins as fundamentalists that believe struggle and suffering builds character or makes you closer to god or some garbage. You still see this in a lot of people who repeat a mantra of "work hard" all the time. Europeans have long understood that life is more than work, but Americans cannot come to grips with that, at least as a society.


Yep. The "puritan work ethic" is a big part of the reason America is a capitalist dystopia.
 
2021-09-28 10:31:45 AM  
2 votes:

Nick Nostril: BlazeTrailer: Nick Nostril: Unfortunately, for many/most 'muricans, The United States of America is the name of a planet, not a single country amongst many on a planet. Their view of the world ends at the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.

Or they get the sense that this douche is representative of the rest of the world and DECIDE that the Atlantic and Pacific are boundaries to maintain some sanity.

Indeed. The US is the only developed country without some sort of single payer healthcare system. We must be the ones doing it right.


We're also the only country where hundreds of thousands of people can just walk across the border.

We simply cannot have social programs while the borders are basically open. It is unsustainable.
 
2021-09-28 10:39:30 AM  
2 votes:

big pig peaches: We're also the only country where hundreds of thousands of people can just walk across the border.


Serious question: Are you a Fox News watcher?

Because there's no part of that sentence that's even remotely true but I know they've been pushing that narrative pretty hard.
 
2021-09-28 10:43:26 AM  
2 votes:

Rapmaster2000: The average American income is about $35K per year. That's about $2400 a month, if you're lucky, after taxes. What bills are we up to? $1200 for a crappy apartment. A few hundreds, let's call it two or three, for connectivity. And another $500 or so for basic utilities. That leaves you with about $400 for the month, or just $100 dollars a week.
That's American life. That's why Americans feel so poor. Because they are. American life is a gigantic rip-offf.
The average American - after subtracting basic bills of shelter and utilities - has just $100 to spend on food, clothing, kids, medicine, all the other necessities.

OK, but Americans don't pay household expenses with an "average income".  They pay it with the median household income, which is $63,688.


While your point stands, you should compare the averages to averages, not averages to medians. Which will change all the numbers in the equation.
 
2021-09-28 10:45:49 AM  
2 votes:

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: big pig peaches: We're also the only country where hundreds of thousands of people can just walk across the border.

Serious question: Are you a Fox News watcher?

Because there's no part of that sentence that's even remotely true but I know they've been pushing that narrative pretty hard.


There aren't millions of illegal immigrants in the US.

Man, I was wrong about Biden.
 
2021-09-28 11:04:48 AM  
2 votes:
Here's the thing I noticed on trips to the US in the past 10 years - I used to think prices were better in the US than Canada for basic things. Turns out, they're not. They're more so in some cases. The only thing that turned out to be less expensive was alcohol.

I suspect there's a reason for that.  Something, something, keep the workers sedated, something.
 
2021-09-28 11:27:01 AM  
2 votes:

Kattungali: Rapmaster2000: Every Umar Haique article is the same article.  America is stupid.  Americans are stupid.  Everyone is stupid but Umar Haique.

Where to begin with how stupid you are:

How much do I pay for internet and TV in Europe? About thirty dollars, give or take. How much do I pay in America? $150.

OK, well, just use the antenna then.  You don't need to pay for TV at all.

So your response to perfectly valid points is to put your fingers in your ears and yell "NA NA NA NA I CAN'T HEAR YOU I CAN'T HEAR YOU"?

Yeah, that is pretty stupid.


I feel like I addressed the points quite well.  I observed he used average individual income to make a complaint about paying median household expenses.  That was wrong.  I highlighted how he was using a misleading debt statistic to make a point that Americans are somehow uniquely burdened.  That is also incorrect.  I mocked the idea that Europe (home of Eurovision) was a bastion of unique and enlightened content.

While the median internet price is roughly 40% more expensive in the US, you can get TV for free.  You don't have to pay for TV.  You can use an antenna or watch Pluto.  Is that not correct?
 
2021-09-28 12:37:59 PM  
2 votes:

Persnickety: One anecdote wrt this: I know a family who all voted for Trump.  They live in a shiatty apartment but the wife gets $50 manicures every other week while the husband keeps buying sports cars that are completely impractical for their family needs (two kids).  They always always always have new clothes every time I see them.  They have crap service industry jobs and have pulled every trick in the book to dodge creditors who keep on hounding them.  They've moved three times in the last five years.  Oh, and did I also mention that they are black?  Trump is their idol and if you ask me, it's because they see themselves in him.


We are glad you have kept track of this Black family through five years and three moves.  We need someone watching them closely.
 
2021-09-28 2:34:42 PM  
2 votes:

Rapmaster2000: Kattungali: Rapmaster2000: Every Umar Haique article is the same article.  America is stupid.  Americans are stupid.  Everyone is stupid but Umar Haique.

Where to begin with how stupid you are:

How much do I pay for internet and TV in Europe? About thirty dollars, give or take. How much do I pay in America? $150.

OK, well, just use the antenna then.  You don't need to pay for TV at all.

So your response to perfectly valid points is to put your fingers in your ears and yell "NA NA NA NA I CAN'T HEAR YOU I CAN'T HEAR YOU"?

Yeah, that is pretty stupid.

I feel like I addressed the points quite well.  I observed he used average individual income to make a complaint about paying median household expenses.  That was wrong.  I highlighted how he was using a misleading debt statistic to make a point that Americans are somehow uniquely burdened.  That is also incorrect.  I mocked the idea that Europe (home of Eurovision) was a bastion of unique and enlightened content.

While the median internet price is roughly 40% more expensive in the US, you can get TV for free.  You don't have to pay for TV.  You can use an antenna or watch Pluto.  Is that not correct?


I agree with Kattungali. That's how you're coming across.

I asked about someone stuck in an abusive relationship who can't afford $1400 a month rent, and your answer was that *other* people are fine, as if ignoring the number of people that can't afford housing.

/Those who can't afford rent, AC, heat, internet, or food better than ramen noodles DGAF about statistics and math theories.

//Those who don't understand how easily you can lose everything in a surprise divorce or health emergency will be shocked when it's their turn to be one of the poors.

///third slashie put me in debt
 
2021-09-28 3:08:48 PM  
2 votes:

Baloo Uriza: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Last time the Democrats were in charge they tried to fix healthcare.  The howling obstructionism from Republicans was deafening.

What that actually looked like:
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Thank you. It's hard to imagine something dumber than a Ben Garrison cartoon and the visualization here is a real help.
 
2021-09-28 3:20:29 PM  
2 votes:

Nick Nostril: BlazeTrailer: Nick Nostril: Unfortunately, for many/most 'muricans, The United States of America is the name of a planet, not a single country amongst many on a planet. Their view of the world ends at the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.

Or they get the sense that this douche is representative of the rest of the world and DECIDE that the Atlantic and Pacific are boundaries to maintain some sanity.

Indeed. The US is the only developed country without some sort of single payer healthcare system. We must be the ones doing it right.


What the hell are Medicaid and Medicare then? They cover more health procedures than any other system.
 
2021-09-28 9:10:20 PM  
2 votes:

valenumr: Gin Buddy: valenumr: Gin Buddy: valenumr: Natalie Portmanteau: WhackingDay: I also think that a lot of this stems from our origins as fundamentalists that believe struggle and suffering builds character or makes you closer to god or some garbage. You still see this in a lot of people who repeat a mantra of "work hard" all the time. Europeans have long understood that life is more than work, but Americans cannot come to grips with that, at least as a society.

Yep. The "puritan work ethic" is a big part of the reason America is a capitalist dystopia.

That's a bit of a lazy argument. I view it more as a matter of reward for productivity. If you don't want to do anything, what do you expect? I don't recall any fairy tail where someone gets rewarded for sitting on their ass.


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If you choose to put in minimal effort, you're gonna get minimal pay.

The problem is that you have that backwards. People get hired and get a salary up front. If they work for a cheap employer who doesn't pay anybody a decent salary, that employer is going to get shiatty workers.

At the end of the day, unproductive employees get released.


Weird.  Senator Lankford still has a job.
 
2021-09-28 4:07:15 AM  
1 vote:
"Heating, electricity, gas, water? These things caneasily add up to $500 to $1000 dollars per month."

Where the fark is he living?
 
2021-09-28 8:34:56 AM  
1 vote:

Merltech: NotCodger: "Heating, electricity, gas, water? These things caneasily add up to $500 to $1000 dollars per month."

Where the fark is he living?

Texas.


I live in Texas (and specifically Austin, which has a pretty high cost of living compared to the rest of the state) and my total cost for those combined is around $200 per month.
 
2021-09-28 8:39:41 AM  
1 vote:
I also think that a lot of this stems from our origins as fundamentalists that believe struggle and suffering builds character or makes you closer to god or some garbage. You still see this in a lot of people who repeat a mantra of "work hard" all the time. Europeans have long understood that life is more than work, but Americans cannot come to grips with that, at least as a society.
 
2021-09-28 8:44:51 AM  
1 vote:
the table is tilted, the game is rigged.
 
2021-09-28 8:47:12 AM  
1 vote:
I just live under that assumption.

It's turning me into an asshole.
 
2021-09-28 8:50:45 AM  
1 vote:

Subtonic: It's too early to hear from some smug euro smelling their own farts.

"And what I get in America is way, way worse. At least half of the junk on TV is ads, I don't get the wonderful and illuminating and sparkling stuff that European TV makes on a regular basis, from good coverage of global affairs to politics to economics to ground-breaking shows and movies."

Wow, surprised they didn't claim that they don't even own a TV.


I didn't read anything inaccurate, but I know some Americans just love our nightly sound bite news and our Hot Bench Judge Judy Mathis Divorce Court shows with boner pill and skin problem commercials.
 
2021-09-28 8:55:44 AM  
1 vote:
I assumed this was a discussion about American military budgets.
 
2021-09-28 8:57:05 AM  
1 vote:
We're consumers with a Government led by individuals who require massive donations to win election.

Of course we're taken advantage of by the mega-corporations.

Real question, why is this news?
 
2021-09-28 8:57:08 AM  
1 vote:

reyreyrey: Subtonic: It's too early to hear from some smug euro smelling their own farts.

"And what I get in America is way, way worse. At least half of the junk on TV is ads, I don't get the wonderful and illuminating and sparkling stuff that European TV makes on a regular basis, from good coverage of global affairs to politics to economics to ground-breaking shows and movies."

Wow, surprised they didn't claim that they don't even own a TV.

I didn't read anything inaccurate, but I know some Americans just love our nightly sound bite news and our Hot Bench Judge Judy Mathis Divorce Court shows with boner pill and skin problem commercials.


There are dullards everywhere. There is tons of garbage on euro TV. It's not a uniquely American problem. And bagging on our worst television (ignoring some of the truly great stuff out there) when there are so many other problems just smacks of douchebaggery. But I guess we're all tired of hearing about racism, guns, and healthcare and he needs those clicks.
 
2021-09-28 9:00:40 AM  
1 vote:
As long as the untouchable billionaires are the ones making the rules, the number one rule will always be to not let the peasants get ahead. Always easier when you can push artificial divides and keep the peasants at each others' throats as well.
 
2021-09-28 9:03:57 AM  
1 vote:
He writes all this as if we don't know we're getting screwed. Of course we know. We just can't do diddly-fark about it.
 
2021-09-28 9:04:16 AM  
1 vote:
How much does it cost to just...have a place to live? Theaverage American rental is about $1200.That's for an apartment. Again, that's a particularly high figure. It doesn't cost that much to rent in Europe. In France, the the average house rental costs less than that - it's about 800 euros, or maybe $1000 dollars.
It's true that rents are high in cities like Paris and London, sure - but we're talking about averages across society.


Well, 5 seconds of googling shows me that the median rental price in the UK is on par with the US.  So is Germany.  France is only 16% cheaper by your own math.  Keep in mind, much of France outside of Paris, Toulouse, Lyon, and Marseille, is not growing.  Those cities themselves are only growing at 1% in population a year.  Several large American cities (Houston, Atlanta, DC) grow at 2-3% a year.  France grew 0.1% in population in 2019.  The US grew at 0.5%.  Italy shrunk by 0.2%.  That is where you get your difference in real estate prices.  The US costs more because living in the US is in more demand.  It just is.  The number are telling you that.  I won't deny that there are hundreds of problems that need to be fixed and thousands of things that could be improved, but this thread Umar is pulling is not it.
 
2021-09-28 9:05:38 AM  
1 vote:
We DO know.  Or at least many of us do.  Usually the ones not shouting USA!  USA!
 
2021-09-28 9:22:20 AM  
1 vote:
I was in until "Heating, electricity, gas, water? These things can easily add up to $500 to $1000 dollars per month."  Who pays that much/month on utilities?  That seems astronomical, and intentionally misleading...
 
2021-09-28 9:30:01 AM  
1 vote:
It's called serfdom. Very old concept. Still works! Just have to hide it behind a few layers.
 
2021-09-28 9:39:08 AM  
1 vote:

Persnickety: WhackingDay: I also think that a lot of this stems from our origins as fundamentalists that believe struggle and suffering builds character or makes you closer to god or some garbage. You still see this in a lot of people who repeat a mantra of "work hard" all the time. Europeans have long understood that life is more than work, but Americans cannot come to grips with that, at least as a society.

"Arbeit Macht Frei" is quite obviously far from being an American-only sentiment.  The most memorable and pitiful character in Englishman George Orwell's Animal Farm is Boxer the horse whose mantra and life philosophy was "I will work harder."  And then there's The Protestant Work Ethic espoused by Europeans like Martin Luther and Calvinists.  As with many things, America didn't invent this (although we think we did), we just scaled it up due to our nation's unusually large size and media domination.


Of course, but over the last few decades European societies have largely moved away from this while America has doubled and tripled down. The EU mandates 4 weeks of paid vacation. They also get 14 weeks of maternity leave and 10 days of paternity leave. That's for all countries in the EU. Can you imagine trying to do this here?
 
2021-09-28 9:40:29 AM  
1 vote:
Oh no, they understand and know they are getting ripped off, but they won't just dig their heels in, they will cement their feet to this hill and die on it rather than admit fault and correct their course.
 
2021-09-28 9:43:41 AM  
1 vote:
Does ACA cover Stockholm Syndrome?
 
2021-09-28 9:44:14 AM  
1 vote:

NotCodger: "Heating, electricity, gas, water? These things caneasily add up to $500 to $1000 dollars per month."

Where the fark is he living?


I live in upstate NY and $500  is easily true.
 
2021-09-28 9:46:25 AM  
1 vote:

Barricaded Gunman: I'm seeing a lot of "If you don't like it, leave" responses here, and a lot of comments about what a douche the author is, and not much refuting his actual point.


You're either misrepresent the thread on purpose or seeing what you want to see.

Plenty of people have refuted the article.

You've chosen not to quote and debate any of them.
 
2021-09-28 9:47:01 AM  
1 vote:

cocozilla: NotCodger: "Heating, electricity, gas, water? These things caneasily add up to $500 to $1000 dollars per month."

Where the fark is he living?

I live in upstate NY and $500  is easily true.


This year will be bonkers. Nat gas prices are exploding right now. If you thought last year was expensive, this year will be a wake up call. Food and energy going to the moon.
 
2021-09-28 9:47:49 AM  
1 vote:

swahnhennessy: Americans are suckers for patriotic propaganda, and therefore just assume that the USA is the greatest country in the world, despite being blatantly ripped off and lied to at nearly every turn.


I'd venture that is a fair statement for most of us but some of us did motor across the planet to check out how other places get along just the same. The only detail I consistently observed being better overseas versus the US was the nature of property rights.  Everything else looked to be about the same, including firearms though that perception is likely skewed due to the company I keep.  I can't speak for everyone in the USA, but for me, I am quite happy to call it home even with all the shenanigans going on at present. I also fully encourage anyone who finds themselves unhappy here in the states to take a chance on travelling the world. At best, you might find a new home that is perfect for you in every way. Likely, you will bring back some good ideas to leverage as a benefit to your current home. At worst, you will at least know why you're complaining so much.
 
2021-09-28 9:52:22 AM  
1 vote:

Subtonic: It's too early to hear from some smug euro smelling their own farts.

"And what I get in America is way, way worse. At least half of the junk on TV is ads, I don't get the wonderful and illuminating and sparkling stuff that European TV makes on a regular basis, from good coverage of global affairs to politics to economics to ground-breaking shows and movies."

Wow, surprised they didn't claim that they don't even own a TV.


The times I have been in Europe (Germany, Poland, France, does Belarus count?) I thought the TV was horrible.  The shows were vapid and cheesy and most just tried to copy what America was doing.  They showed all the weird sports, strange music videos (a tough looking German guy singing a song called "Gangsta Rap" is one example) and lots of other just boring stuff. Maybe he's right about the news though but I didn't watch much of that.
 
2021-09-28 9:56:42 AM  
1 vote:

Lochaber_Axe: The times I have been in Europe (Germany, Poland, France, does Belarus count?) I thought the TV was horrible.  The shows were vapid and cheesy and most just tried to copy what America was doing.  They showed all the weird sports, strange music videos (a tough looking German guy singing a song called "Gangsta Rap" is one example) and lots of other just boring stuff. Maybe he's right about the news though but I didn't watch much of that.


would tend to agree about much of the TV content.

the main difference is, at least here in Germany and in France as well, the "PBS and NPR equivalents" are much bigger, better funded, and more visible. They also make fantastic documentaries and nature content about reefs and sharks and birds ...environmental stuff.

German TV has a lot of American style dreck but you can at least turn to reliable, solid govt funded programming that is designed to fosture cultural appreciation and factual information, and not just induce outrage at whatever partisan BS du jour is being thrown across Fox news.

they also subsidize a lot of artsy stuff... the extent of which can be surprising.
 
2021-09-28 10:08:16 AM  
1 vote:

Hey Nurse!: NotCodger: "Heating, electricity, gas, water? These things caneasily add up to $500 to $1000 dollars per month."

Where the fark is he living?

I was wondering that. I live in St. Louis.  Water is 60, electricity is 200, gas is 140 - that's budget billing numbers. And that's in a 4800 sq ft house with 7 people living in it. Of course, the author also stated the average income is 35,000, but then proceeded to use that number as an example of what families pay. Most families don't have a single income. There's a lot of cherry picking going on in that article. The solution is simple. If you don't like it here, get the fark out.


Despite the article writer being a douche, and using bad math, they have a point about utility monopolies.
 
2021-09-28 10:12:26 AM  
1 vote:

BeotchPudding: FARK : 'It's not News, it's communist/socialist talking points'


Because the U.S. is the greatest, best country God has ever given man on the face of the earth? Ok, Hannity.

It would be really awesome if the US swallowed some pride and learned from what other countries were doing well.
 
2021-09-28 10:19:19 AM  
1 vote:

TwilightZone: I've read a lot of criticisms of America by non-Americans that are really silly -- like New York city dwellers can't grow their own food (because NYC is the place to live if you want to grow your own food).  But this one is totally spot on, from top to bottom, start to finish.  Should be required reading in all high schools (before the kids pile on a bunch of student debt) but it won't.  Young farkers  -- take note!  Spread this to all your friends.


Found the article writer's fark handle.
 
2021-09-28 10:20:00 AM  
1 vote:

Subtonic: And the cherry on top. Just move, stupid!


did.That's why i'm saying you should too.
 
2021-09-28 10:23:20 AM  
1 vote:

Unright: BeotchPudding: FARK : 'It's not News, it's communist/socialist talking points'

Because the U.S. is the greatest, best country God has ever given man on the face of the earth? Ok, Hannity.

It would be really awesome if the US swallowed some pride and learned from what other countries were doing well.


What Country spread Democracy around the world?
 
2021-09-28 10:29:23 AM  
1 vote:

Father_Jack: Subtonic: And the cherry on top. Just move, stupid!

i did.That's why i'm saying you should too.


Next you'll ask why I don't just buy more money.
 
2021-09-28 10:48:16 AM  
1 vote:
I moved to Europe (The Netherlands) in 2016 from the DFW area, everything I am going to put here is based on that location. Here is what I can tell you:

-Groceries are 25-30% cheaper here. That includes beer and wine, basically anything you buy at the supermarket.

-Cars and gas are crazy expensive here, maybe the most expensive in Europe. If you can get by just using the amazing public transportation and/or bike lanes you can save tons of money. I lived here for 5 years without a car. Almost any job will reimburse you for your public transportation costs here as well.

-Insurance is cheap. My homeowner's insurance on a €400k house is like €40 a month. I have a €1,000,000 liability policy that literally covers almost any way I can fark up for €4 a month.

-Health insurance is absurdly cheap. Around €125 a month, €385 annual deductible. Covers everything, it's great. No medical bankruptcies here at all.

-Crime is low, gun violence is almost non-existent among non-criminals. The murder count in Amsterdam, a city of +850k people is less than my home town of Lafayette, LA which has around 120k people. Violent crime is rare.

-Income taxes are a little higher but you get a lot for them. The quality of life within 5 miles of my house is like what millionaires have in the US.

-The police don't kill nearly as many people here. Traffic stops aren't used as revenue generators for cities and towns. Getting arrested and put in jail for drug possession means you were really carrying a lot of drugs and not just a few pills or a little coke.

-Aside from mortgages and some cars, there is little debt here. Credit cards are almost entirely the pay off every month kind with low limits, mine is €2500. Speaking of mortgages, the rates are super low, mine is 2%.

-There are grocery stores, drug stores, etc. in every neighborhood. You never have to drive to a store if you live in a city or town. Because of the lack of big box stores there are also cool businesses like butcher shops, specialty delis, and other small businesses that were all eaten by Walmart in the US.

Life is not perfect here but it's very pleasant, far more enjoyable than anywhere I lived in the US at any time.
 
2021-09-28 10:49:39 AM  
1 vote:

big pig peaches: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: big pig peaches: We're also the only country where hundreds of thousands of people can just walk across the border.

Serious question: Are you a Fox News watcher?

Because there's no part of that sentence that's even remotely true but I know they've been pushing that narrative pretty hard.

There aren't millions of illegal immigrants in the US.

Man, I was wrong about Biden.



so maybe we should allow the millions of them who have been here since childhood have a path to citizenship since we've already invested in them, they've integrated, and are our neighbors and coworkers?
 
2021-09-28 10:51:58 AM  
1 vote:

Evildog: I moved to Europe (The Netherlands) in 2016 from the DFW area, everything I am going to put here is based on that location. Here is what I can tell you:

-Groceries are 25-30% cheaper here. That includes beer and wine, basically anything you buy at the supermarket.

-Cars and gas are crazy expensive here, maybe the most expensive in Europe. If you can get by just using the amazing public transportation and/or bike lanes you can save tons of money. I lived here for 5 years without a car. Almost any job will reimburse you for your public transportation costs here as well.

-Insurance is cheap. My homeowner's insurance on a €400k house is like €40 a month. I have a €1,000,000 liability policy that literally covers almost any way I can fark up for €4 a month.

-Health insurance is absurdly cheap. Around €125 a month, €385 annual deductible. Covers everything, it's great. No medical bankruptcies here at all.

-Crime is low, gun violence is almost non-existent among non-criminals. The murder count in Amsterdam, a city of +850k people is less than my home town of Lafayette, LA which has around 120k people. Violent crime is rare.

-Income taxes are a little higher but you get a lot for them. The quality of life within 5 miles of my house is like what millionaires have in the US.

-The police don't kill nearly as many people here. Traffic stops aren't used as revenue generators for cities and towns. Getting arrested and put in jail for drug possession means you were really carrying a lot of drugs and not just a few pills or a little coke.

-Aside from mortgages and some cars, there is little debt here. Credit cards are almost entirely the pay off every month kind with low limits, mine is €2500. Speaking of mortgages, the rates are super low, mine is 2%.

-There are grocery stores, drug stores, etc. in every neighborhood. You never have to drive to a store if you live in a city or town. Because of the lack of big box stores there are also cool businesses like butcher shops, s ...


careful, the wageslaves will say you're humblebragging.

really the only issue with the NL is the orthography. there's far too many AAs and EEs and GRAACHTs for anyon'es good.
 
2021-09-28 10:55:24 AM  
1 vote:

big pig peaches: There aren't millions of illegal immigrants in the US.

Man, I was wrong about Biden.


Well, that was expected. You don't have to tell us every little detail about your vapid life.

When you're right about something then let us know.
 
2021-09-28 10:56:59 AM  
1 vote:

Joe Satin: Persnickety: cretinbob: Nah
people overpay for a ton of shiat because they think bigger is better when they didn't even need the thing in the first place.
They have nothing inside their heads so they look to material goods for satisfaction.

//man that would have been an embarrassing typo

A lot of people would rather look well off than be well off.  This description fits the Trumps perfectly.  They give all the outwards appearances of being super rich but they've fought tooth and nail to keep the details of their financial lives hidden.  The public facts we do know, four bankruptcies and admissions of Russian financing, suggest a desperate situation indeed.  Is it any wonder so many people want to prop them up as icons?  If they can survive, maybe I have a chance.

One anecdote wrt this: I know a family who all voted for Trump.  They live in a shiatty apartment but the wife gets $50 manicures every other week while the husband keeps buying sports cars that are completely impractical for their family needs (two kids).  They always always always have new clothes every time I see them.  They have crap service industry jobs and have pulled every trick in the book to dodge creditors who keep on hounding them.  They've moved three times in the last five years.  Oh, and did I also mention that they are black?  Trump is their idol and if you ask me, it's because they see themselves in him.

So they suddenly started living this way when Trump got elected?

That pretty damn bad.


No, they were always like this.  And like Trump, none of their problems are ever their own fault.  They are always looking for a scapegoat while they waste money on trivialities.
 
2021-09-28 11:21:14 AM  
1 vote:

Rapmaster2000: Every Umar Haique article is the same article.  America is stupid.  Americans are stupid.  Everyone is stupid but Umar Haique.

Where to begin with how stupid you are:

How much do I pay for internet and TV in Europe? About thirty dollars, give or take. How much do I pay in America? $150.

OK, well, just use the antenna then.  You don't need to pay for TV at all.


So your response to perfectly valid points is to put your fingers in your ears and yell "NA NA NA NA I CAN'T HEAR YOU I CAN'T HEAR YOU"?

Yeah, that is pretty stupid.
 
2021-09-28 11:27:15 AM  
1 vote:

TwilightZone: I've read a lot of criticisms of America by non-Americans that are really silly -- like New York city dwellers can't grow their own food (because NYC is the place to live if you want to grow your own food).  But this one is totally spot on, from top to bottom, start to finish.  Should be required reading in all high schools (before the kids pile on a bunch of student debt) but it won't.  Young farkers  -- take note!  Spread this to all your friends.


This one does hit a lot of the right notes. It IS better than 90% of the British ones that always boil down to "you Yanks don't do it all sensible like back 'home, eh?"
 
2021-09-28 11:46:24 AM  
1 vote:

big pig peaches: Nick Nostril: BlazeTrailer: Nick Nostril: Unfortunately, for many/most 'muricans, The United States of America is the name of a planet, not a single country amongst many on a planet. Their view of the world ends at the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.

Or they get the sense that this douche is representative of the rest of the world and DECIDE that the Atlantic and Pacific are boundaries to maintain some sanity.

Indeed. The US is the only developed country without some sort of single payer healthcare system. We must be the ones doing it right.

We're also the only country where hundreds of thousands of people can just walk across the border.

We simply cannot have social programs while the borders are basically open. It is unsustainable.



With the sole exception of nutrition support for pregnant women, you cannot get any welfare benefits at all if you're not a legal resident. None. Zero

I've worked pm an eligibility system for a state health and social services. Literally the first step in the eligibility process is to check if you're a citizen or lawful resident. There are homeless who can't get help because they can't produce a birth certificate or ID
 
2021-09-28 11:54:33 AM  
1 vote:
They know it. They're just usually blaming the wrong people.
 
2021-09-28 12:20:20 PM  
1 vote:

justanotherfarkinfarker: EVERYTHING IS BETTER IN EUROPE! THE STREETS ARE PAVED WITH GOLD!

/it sucks there too, don't kid yourself.
//look at the protests
///you can get better cured meats and wine for less that's about it


I'll repeat myself: It's nicer here than anywhere I've ever lived in the US at any time in the last 40 years.
I know Americans and especially politicians like to point out all the bad stuff in Europe but you're fooling yourself. I've been here for going on 6 years and have no plans to ever leave
 
2021-09-28 1:05:36 PM  
1 vote:

King Keepo: Paying sales tax at point of sale is infuriating

Particularly

infuriating when you have to pay a sales tax to turn something into your property, then another constantly climbing annual tax to just continue to own that property, unless you're a religious establishment, in which case you are free to avail yourself of ALL the benefits those taxes provide without paying a goddam dime towards making them available, even if you're fabulously wealthy.

Governments enacting laws that provide religious establishments with uniquely beneficial tax treatment is precisely the thing that is specifically prohibited by the First Amendment.

Until the Supreme Court decided "establishment" is akshully...a goddam verb.

No. It isn't.

An "establishment of religion" = religious establishment (a broad term encompassing all manner of churches, temples, mosques, etc.)

Any sensible court would know this. But, well...'murica --where the dumbest conceivable interpretation is the starting point.
 
2021-09-28 1:23:05 PM  
1 vote:

OccamsWhiskers: Hey Nurse!: There's a lot of cherry picking going on in that article.

Yes, some of the numbers are pretty skewed. It's not a well-vetted article, but the general point stands. Income tax in the US is relatively low, but we get very little in exchange for that. For those who haven't made it to well above average income & stability, it's a financial disaster.

Hey Nurse!: The solution is simple. If you don't like it here, get the fark out.

That's not simple at all. At least not if you don't have a ton of money. But the US is pretty comfortable in that case, too.


.
I've recently moved to the States - shudder - for a year or two.

It was simple enough for him to move up his own ass.
 
2021-09-28 1:54:29 PM  
1 vote:
The onion figured this out 15+ years ago:

Cost Of Living Now Outweighs Benefits
 
2021-09-28 2:38:56 PM  
1 vote:

Smackledorfer: Tldr: you aren't just saying it can be done. You are saying it is a solution advisable to wage slaves.


Are you trying to sound like an aggressive dick? You're succeeding admirably.

Ok so since you're waiting...

I said you have to have skills. Did you miss that part?

So, maybe you could Google what skills are in demand abroad. Health care, IT, stuff like this? Or on the cheap, get a CELTA English teaching cert, and go teach english till you figure out your next step. Knew a lot of expats who started teaching English, especially the ones who went to Asia. My brother did this in Japan as part of the JET program.

Awaiting the next angry goal post move,
Your obtuse asshole
 
2021-09-28 3:04:03 PM  
1 vote:
Oh, it's this guy again. His particular brand of outrage porn is particularly unpalatable to me, but I have to admire his tenacity in writing a new article every few days to get those shock clicks.

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2021-09-28 3:07:00 PM  
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Father_Jack: Smackledorfer: Tldr: you aren't just saying it can be done. You are saying it is a solution advisable to wage slaves.

Are you trying to sound like an aggressive dick? You're succeeding admirably.

Ok so since you're waiting...

I said you have to have skills. Did you miss that part?

So, maybe you could Google what skills are in demand abroad. Health care, IT, stuff like this? Or on the cheap, get a CELTA English teaching cert, and go teach english till you figure out your next step. Knew a lot of expats who started teaching English, especially the ones who went to Asia. My brother did this in Japan as part of the JET program.

Awaiting the next angry goal post move,
Your obtuse asshole


So again, your proposed solution to how shiatty america is for the folks referred to in TFA has no bearing at all on those folks.

And in lieu of telling us all how simple it is, you tell us to study it out.

fwiw, I'm not looking to leave america, as I'm doing well here. I'm just explaining to you why someone accused you of saying "next you'll ask why I don't buy more money".  Your solution to those in a bad situation is to "just do things that take lots of money"
 
2021-09-28 3:16:30 PM  
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Father_Jack: That being said, i live in germany, and i can agree with much of what he's saying:


Father_Jack: i guess i'm advocating that americans should learn a foreign language and leave for somewhere in western europe. There are plenty of jobs here, come get one.


I figured I'd remind Father_Jack of his own words, lest he continue trying to claim he wasn't proposing "move to europe" as a solution to the struggling wage slaves TFA is talking about.

And he's gone from "just learn a language and come on over!" to "oh, and yes you need to have an in-demand skillset that requires an education, multiple years of navigating immigration, etc"

Telling the guy making 35,000 dollars in wage slavery in the US he should just spend a few years getting a skill that is in-demand in France and learning French and then spend a couple more years navigating their system and finding the company who wants to hire him is terrible farking advice.

It's perfectly fine advice for the guy making 170,000 dollars who already has a skillset that is in demand though. But something tells me the author isn't that concerned about them.
 
2021-09-28 3:24:13 PM  
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MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Baloo Uriza: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Last time the Democrats were in charge they tried to fix healthcare.  The howling obstructionism from Republicans was deafening.

What that actually looked like:
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Thank you. It's hard to imagine something dumber than a Ben Garrison cartoon and the visualization here is a real help.


The point is the Democrats when they have a trifecta could ram shiat through if they wanted to without asking for Republican permission.  The problem is, they don't.
 
2021-09-28 4:30:20 PM  
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America is only expensive when you are poor.

Democrats have a pretty good idea of what makes you not poor.

$400,000/year

From there on up, housing, health care and education become very manageable. Not to say you can't live comfortably on less, but that is where money is no longer an obstacle to much of anything.
 
2021-09-28 4:45:13 PM  
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Baloo Uriza: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Baloo Uriza: The point is the Democrats when they have a trifecta could ram shiat through if they wanted to without asking for Republican permission.

You don't have to explain it: I get what it was trying to say, but it's also untrue. The last time Democrats had a supermajority it lasted for less than a year (it was during the 111th Congress). President Barack Obama called a special joint session of Congress to promote health care reform, which successfully passed.

Passing the Republican bill of making the broken system mandatory isn't exactly a success when the Democrat bill was single payer universal healthcare.


As a reminder, here's the original claim:

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I've provided that in the less than a year that Democrats had a supermajority, they reformed health care, fair pay, CHIP, credit card consumer protections, Wall Street reform, prison sentencing reform, and DADT repeal (this was all in the link I provided). Not stellar, but not bad for the all-Benghazi-all-the-time sh*tstorm and seventy ACA repeal attempts that would follow a few years later.

I happen to agree with you that I wish the Democrats had been bolder about health care reform, but I also realize the luxury of armchair quarterbacking.
 
2021-09-28 5:16:03 PM  
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RedVentrue: Rapmaster2000: SUMMERSN0WS: I asked about someone stuck in an abusive relationship who can't afford $1400 a month rent, and your answer was that *other* people are fine, as if ignoring the number of people that can't afford housing.

I'm sorry, but we're literally discussing the mathematics Umar used to prove that incomes are not high enough. He made an error.  The real number you use to deduct household expenses from is household income.  There is nothing more or less to it than that.  That some households are suboptimal is a problem in every nation, but it's not relevant to the numbers Umar is clumsily using to make a false point.

/Those who can't afford rent, AC, heat, internet, or food better than ramen noodles DGAF about statistics and math theories.

Those who attempt to understand and prescribe solutions to those problems DO GAF about using the correct numbers.  You can't solve a problem with bad data.  Umar can be upset about the cost of living if he would like, but if he wants to sit with the professionals and actually deal with problems, he's going to have to use the language of the professionals.  He's not.

So he's not wothwhile because he's a media communicator who's calling attention to a real problem of inequality on a global scale, and not in a think tank writing scientific papers about it no one will read? WTF?


He's not worthwhile because his points weren't relevant.  He's not worthwhile because he's a lazy thinker and writer.
 
2021-09-28 5:21:18 PM  
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MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Baloo Uriza: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Baloo Uriza: The point is the Democrats when they have a trifecta could ram shiat through if they wanted to without asking for Republican permission.

You don't have to explain it: I get what it was trying to say, but it's also untrue. The last time Democrats had a supermajority it lasted for less than a year (it was during the 111th Congress). President Barack Obama called a special joint session of Congress to promote health care reform, which successfully passed.

Passing the Republican bill of making the broken system mandatory isn't exactly a success when the Democrat bill was single payer universal healthcare.

As a reminder, here's the original claim:

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I've provided that in the less than a year that Democrats had a supermajority, they reformed health care, fair pay, CHIP, credit card consumer protections, Wall Street reform, prison sentencing reform, and DADT repeal (this was all in the link I provided). Not stellar, but not bad for the all-Benghazi-all-the-time sh*tstorm and seventy ACA repeal attempts that would follow a few years later.

I happen to agree with you that I wish the Democrats had been bolder about health care reform, but I also realize the luxury of armchair quarterbacking.


Either way, the fact that the GQP stomps a mudhole in America and the Democrats just farking roll over every time it's their turn to fight for America is embarrassing.  The American Taliban isn't farking around, and the Democrats are asking for permission and going for bipartisanship.  Nobody wants that, they want the GQP steamrolled.
 
2021-09-28 6:55:37 PM  
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MusicMakeMyHeadPound: GORDON: Nearly everything in that list is directly due to the government protectionism of the various industries.  And it isn't just a "republican-thing," as has been suggested.  Nothing get fixed by the Democrats, when they're in charge, either.

That's ludicrously untrue. Last time the Democrats were in charge they tried to fix healthcare.  The howling obstructionism from Republicans was deafening.

Get the hell out of here with your BSAB.


ACA worked out swimmingly.
 
2021-09-28 11:58:30 PM  
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Baloo Uriza: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Baloo Uriza: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Last time the Democrats were in charge they tried to fix healthcare.  The howling obstructionism from Republicans was deafening.

What that actually looked like:
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Thank you. It's hard to imagine something dumber than a Ben Garrison cartoon and the visualization here is a real help.

The point is the Democrats when they have a trifecta could ram shiat through if they wanted to without asking for Republican permission.  The problem is, they don't.


The last time they had a supermajority was for a period of 2 months with Obama.
 
2021-09-29 1:59:13 AM  
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Gin Buddy: valenumr: Gin Buddy: valenumr: Natalie Portmanteau: WhackingDay: I also think that a lot of this stems from our origins as fundamentalists that believe struggle and suffering builds character or makes you closer to god or some garbage. You still see this in a lot of people who repeat a mantra of "work hard" all the time. Europeans have long understood that life is more than work, but Americans cannot come to grips with that, at least as a society.

Yep. The "puritan work ethic" is a big part of the reason America is a capitalist dystopia.

That's a bit of a lazy argument. I view it more as a matter of reward for productivity. If you don't want to do anything, what do you expect? I don't recall any fairy tail where someone gets rewarded for sitting on their ass.


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If you choose to put in minimal effort, you're gonna get minimal pay.

The problem is that you have that backwards. People get hired and get a salary up front. If they work for a cheap employer who doesn't pay anybody a decent salary, that employer is going to get shiatty workers.


Hehe, that's true. I guess if you're going to offer minimum pay, you're gonna get minimum effort.

That works too.
 
2021-09-29 2:33:46 PM  
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Tyrone Slothrop: Merltech: NotCodger: "Heating, electricity, gas, water? These things caneasily add up to $500 to $1000 dollars per month."

Where the fark is he living?

Texas.

I live in Texas (and specifically Austin, which has a pretty high cost of living compared to the rest of the state) and my total cost for those combined is around $200 per month.


except for the couple of days when it cost $9,000 dollars and you have to join a class action suit
/Griddy much?
 
2021-09-29 2:59:29 PM  
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Here in California, electricity and gas run me under $50 every month even during the hottest part of the year.  They're under $30 the rest of the year.

My utility bills were much, much higher in Texas.  COL isn't some straightforward multiplier for everything.

As I own a house in California, my cost of living is actually quite a bit cheaper than what I'd have most other places in the U.S.

Television costs me under $15 per month because I'm not dumb enough to subscribe to more than one streaming service at a time.

Healthcare is the biggest drag, though.  Health insurance costs considerably less literally everywhere else in the world, and there are plenty of places where you don't even need insurance.

The thing is, as long as I'm working, I'm getting paid more in California than I would doing the same job in, for example, most of Europe.  I'll stick with that for now.  I'll over-pay for healthcare until I retire, and then I'll go someplace where it's cheap.

The trade-off of going somewhere with cheap healthcare is usually little more than not hearing English spoken everywhere anymore.  There's a reason so many Americans retire in Panama, Spain, and Thailand.  There are plenty of places that are both nice and cheap.
 
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