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2021-09-28 6:45:54 PM  

rainbowbutter: Elandriel: This writersure does love his italics!

he seems..a bit STRIDENT...
but wait for it:
just like an infomercialthis went ON TOO LONG, with too much DRAMA!
BUT YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT
how could you know?
it's HARD to hear SOMEONE WHO IS SHOUTING, even whenwhat they say
is CORRECT

the style undermines the message- just sayin


This post made my eyes hurt. Well done.
 
2021-09-28 6:47:31 PM  

Boojum2k: Not disputing the rest of your list, but the Dems and Obama's reactions to both DADT and DOMA repeal were very contradictory and suggested the party was more interested in keeping those policies as carrots and sticks for LGBT voters than in actually repealing them through legislation.


Which is probably what caused Bishop to go forward with Bishop v. Oklahoma, later Bishop v United States.  Proud to say that case came out of this city.  Tulsa Pride was lit as fark in '15.
 
2021-09-28 6:49:46 PM  

akya: God-is-a-Taco: Oh, it's this guy again. His particular brand of outrage porn is particularly unpalatable to me, but I have to admire his tenacity in writing a new article every few days to get those shock clicks.

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Yep.  This guy is a pizza cutter.  All edge and no point or viable solution.   Not even a "We should try to improve society somewhat".

Just AMERICA SUX, LOL! so you should RUN AWAY FROM YOUR PROBLEMS! THE GRASS IN EUROPE IS EXCEPTIONALLY GREEN!

Personally I'd rather stick around and try to improve society in whatever small way I can.


It's a noble endeavor. But as a wise man once said:
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2021-09-28 6:53:11 PM  

Lochaber_Axe: Subtonic: It's too early to hear from some smug euro smelling their own farts.

"And what I get in America is way, way worse. At least half of the junk on TV is ads, I don't get the wonderful and illuminating and sparkling stuff that European TV makes on a regular basis, from good coverage of global affairs to politics to economics to ground-breaking shows and movies."

Wow, surprised they didn't claim that they don't even own a TV.

The times I have been in Europe (Germany, Poland, France, does Belarus count?) I thought the TV was horrible.  The shows were vapid and cheesy and most just tried to copy what America was doing.  They showed all the weird sports, strange music videos (a tough looking German guy singing a song called "Gangsta Rap" is one example) and lots of other just boring stuff. Maybe he's right about the news though but I didn't watch much of that.


The porn is pretty good, or so I've heard.
 
2021-09-28 6:54:23 PM  

Avigdore: TheDreadChefRoberts: harleyquinnical: Tr0mBoNe: Most Americans:
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Easy to get by the taste when it's the only taste most of us have ever known

This is my argument about American cheese.

To me it tastes like plastic, I grew up eating all sorts of processed cheese in plastic sheet form, in a brick, and from a jar.

At 15 I decided to stop eating processed cheese but it's all over the place. I managed to go about 6 months before

I was in a situation where it was offered to me on a sandwich, so I politely ate the food but the American cheese tasted strongly of plastic and was no longer enjoyable.

Give your tastebuds and the rest of your body a break from processed cheese and you will taste the difference.

Thank me next year!! Good luck it is worth escaping the fast food cycle of self loathing and unsatisfying meals.

But American Cheese (Kraft Premium makes some). Avoid 'American Cheese Food' that's the processed stuff you're not wanting.


Anyone else remember 'gubmint' cheese?
/Yeah, I was pretty poor growing up.
 
2021-09-28 6:55:37 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: GORDON: Nearly everything in that list is directly due to the government protectionism of the various industries.  And it isn't just a "republican-thing," as has been suggested.  Nothing get fixed by the Democrats, when they're in charge, either.

That's ludicrously untrue. Last time the Democrats were in charge they tried to fix healthcare.  The howling obstructionism from Republicans was deafening.

Get the hell out of here with your BSAB.


ACA worked out swimmingly.
 
2021-09-28 6:58:56 PM  

Natalie Portmanteau: WhackingDay: I also think that a lot of this stems from our origins as fundamentalists that believe struggle and suffering builds character or makes you closer to god or some garbage. You still see this in a lot of people who repeat a mantra of "work hard" all the time. Europeans have long understood that life is more than work, but Americans cannot come to grips with that, at least as a society.

Yep. The "puritan work ethic" is a big part of the reason America is a capitalist dystopia.


That's a bit of a lazy argument. I view it more as a matter of reward for productivity. If you don't want to do anything, what do you expect? I don't recall any fairy tail where someone gets rewarded for sitting on their ass.
 
2021-09-28 6:59:59 PM  

Fano: TwilightZone: I've read a lot of criticisms of America by non-Americans that are really silly -- like New York city dwellers can't grow their own food (because NYC is the place to live if you want to grow your own food).  But this one is totally spot on, from top to bottom, start to finish.  Should be required reading in all high schools (before the kids pile on a bunch of student debt) but it won't.  Young farkers  -- take note!  Spread this to all your friends.

This one does hit a lot of the right notes. It IS better than 90% of the British ones that always boil down to "you Yanks don't do it all sensible like back 'home, eh?"


Brits aren't much better off.
 
2021-09-28 7:02:28 PM  

valenumr: Natalie Portmanteau: WhackingDay: I also think that a lot of this stems from our origins as fundamentalists that believe struggle and suffering builds character or makes you closer to god or some garbage. You still see this in a lot of people who repeat a mantra of "work hard" all the time. Europeans have long understood that life is more than work, but Americans cannot come to grips with that, at least as a society.

Yep. The "puritan work ethic" is a big part of the reason America is a capitalist dystopia.

That's a bit of a lazy argument. I view it more as a matter of reward for productivity. If you don't want to do anything, what do you expect? I don't recall any fairy tail where someone gets rewarded for sitting on their ass.


Nothing like suffering anyway no matter how hard you try!  Seriously, we need to raise the poverty floor in this country because it's third-world right now.
 
2021-09-28 7:02:52 PM  

Natalie Portmanteau: Hey Nurse!: NotCodger: "Heating, electricity, gas, water? These things caneasily add up to $500 to $1000 dollars per month."

Where the fark is he living?

I was wondering that. I live in St. Louis.  Water is 60, electricity is 200, gas is 140 - that's budget billing numbers. And that's in a 4800 sq ft house with 7 people living in it. Of course, the author also stated the average income is 35,000, but then proceeded to use that number as an example of what families pay. Most families don't have a single income. There's a lot of cherry picking going on in that article. The solution is simple. If you don't like it here, get the fark out.

Despite the article writer being a douche, and using bad math, they have a point about utility monopolies.


You know, I'll say this is a bit of a misconception. I mean, yes, there pretty much is a single utility provider, basically everywhere. But it is a pseudo kind of thing. There is also a government panel (at least everywhere I am familiar with) called a public utilities commission. They PUC sets standards and regulates pricing and what in industry lingo are called tariffs.

Of course, this configuration has unlimited opportunity for corruption.
 
2021-09-28 7:06:34 PM  

Unright: BeotchPudding: FARK : 'It's not News, it's communist/socialist talking points'

Because the U.S. is the greatest, best country God has ever given man on the face of the earth? Ok, Hannity.

It would be really awesome if the US swallowed some pride and learned from what other countries were doing well.


Yes, it is. And I don't mean that in a magat way. It's not perfect (I mean, see Texas and florida). Go on a sabbatical and find your own utopia.
 
2021-09-28 7:10:19 PM  

Father_Jack: Unright: BeotchPudding: FARK : 'It's not News, it's communist/socialist talking points'

Because the U.S. is the greatest, best country God has ever given man on the face of the earth? Ok, Hannity.

It would be really awesome if the US swallowed some pride and learned from what other countries were doing well.

but why do you hate us though?


Doing well? Ha. Paris climate accord? Hey, let's retire all nuclear reactors. That's farking a great idea. Stop sniffing your own asshole. No place farts roses.
 
2021-09-28 7:12:37 PM  

big pig peaches: He must be living in a shack with leaky pipes and no insulation if he's paying that much in utilities.

He's right about cable / internet, but there a counterpoint. Gasoline. That shiat is ridiculous in Europe.


Hehe, our price per gallon is like their price per liter (litre?)
 
2021-09-28 7:17:25 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: big pig peaches: We're also the only country where hundreds of thousands of people can just walk across the border.

Serious question: Are you a Fox News watcher?

Because there's no part of that sentence that's even remotely true but I know they've been pushing that narrative pretty hard.


Actually, it's something like 200 thousand a year, but I really don't want to get into an immigration debate.
 
2021-09-28 7:18:47 PM  

big pig peaches: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: big pig peaches: We're also the only country where hundreds of thousands of people can just walk across the border.

Serious question: Are you a Fox News watcher?

Because there's no part of that sentence that's even remotely true but I know they've been pushing that narrative pretty hard.

There aren't millions of illegal immigrants in the US.

Man, I was wrong about Biden.


Estimates out the number around 12 million.
 
2021-09-28 7:21:10 PM  

valenumr: Natalie Portmanteau: WhackingDay: I also think that a lot of this stems from our origins as fundamentalists that believe struggle and suffering builds character or makes you closer to god or some garbage. You still see this in a lot of people who repeat a mantra of "work hard" all the time. Europeans have long understood that life is more than work, but Americans cannot come to grips with that, at least as a society.

Yep. The "puritan work ethic" is a big part of the reason America is a capitalist dystopia.

That's a bit of a lazy argument. I view it more as a matter of reward for productivity. If you don't want to do anything, what do you expect? I don't recall any fairy tail where someone gets rewarded for sitting on their ass.


The puritan work ethic is a much more encompassing ideology than work hard and be rewarded. It also promotes the idea that people who are not slavishly enriching their "betters" are lazy, sinful, idiots.
 
2021-09-28 7:25:16 PM  

DerAppie: princhester: So Wall St makes huge amounts out of extending credit that people can't repay?   How does that work exactly?

Simple.
Say I loan you $100 and you need to pay me back 12 a month for a year. You lose your job/have some extra expenses or whatever and miss two payments. Now you owe me another $50 in fines and "administration cost". But since you can't afford to pay me more than that $12 a month, I'll graciously allow you to keep paying that amount. I'll just extend the term of the loan.

Now instead of repaying me $120, you'll be repaying me $300 because of the extra $50 I charged you, and the extra interest payments.

It becomes even more fun with creditcards where the minimum payment only covers interest. I can keep getting money from that principal I lend you for decades, and at up to 29% a year at that!


Yeah... Congress actually passed laws addressing this line 15 years ago.
 
2021-09-28 7:26:46 PM  

valenumr: Natalie Portmanteau: WhackingDay: I also think that a lot of this stems from our origins as fundamentalists that believe struggle and suffering builds character or makes you closer to god or some garbage. You still see this in a lot of people who repeat a mantra of "work hard" all the time. Europeans have long understood that life is more than work, but Americans cannot come to grips with that, at least as a society.

Yep. The "puritan work ethic" is a big part of the reason America is a capitalist dystopia.

That's a bit of a lazy argument. I view it more as a matter of reward for productivity. If you don't want to do anything, what do you expect? I don't recall any fairy tail where someone gets rewarded for sitting on their ass.



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2021-09-28 7:28:51 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: justanotherfarkinfarker: I think I pay $9,000 a year for "good" insurance (yet if something happens I'll still be on the hook, even small like a broken arm will probably cost me $300 out of pocket and that's if I don't have to get a $4000 ambulance ride. On just me, that's not a family.

And that's cheap. Average cost for employer-funded health insurance premiums are approximately $20,000/year

Most people don't realize they're paying that much since it's a fringe benefit from your employer. It's like an enormous hidden tax.


That seems high. Not by too much, but I think my employer pays about 600 or so per month for really good insurance. That's still in the ballpark though.
 
2021-09-28 7:32:58 PM  

tekmo: King Keepo: Paying sales tax at point of sale is infuriating

Particularly infuriating when you have to pay a sales tax to turn something into your property, then another constantly climbing annual tax to just continue to own that property, unless you're a religious establishment, in which case you are free to avail yourself of ALL the benefits those taxes provide without paying a goddam dime towards making them available, even if you're fabulously wealthy.

Governments enacting laws that provide religious establishments with uniquely beneficial tax treatment is precisely the thing that is specifically prohibited by the First Amendment.

Until the Supreme Court decided "establishment" is akshully...a goddam verb.

No. It isn't.

An "establishment of religion" = religious establishment (a broad term encompassing all manner of churches, temples, mosques, etc.)

Any sensible court would know this. But, well...'murica --where the dumbest conceivable interpretation is the starting point.


That's why I bought a million dollar mansion on the beach and declared it a church.

/Ok, no I didn't
//Maybe not a bad idea
 
2021-09-28 7:39:17 PM  

cryinoutloud: Didnt know it?  I've always known it....and so I live my life in a way that won't  use so many services that aren't necessary.  And then you buy second-hand, buy used cars, just don't pay for that shiat.  Life gets much cheaper.

Now you guys:  You pay for it.  All the optional stuff, as well as the necessities.  You not only PAY for it, you keep asking for more of it, for more choices, for more kinds of services, for more convenient services, for more, more, more.  Consumer spending in the US is the highest on the planet, and the younger the generation, the more they spend on bullshiat.  They're trained--much better trained than I ever was.  Because i blew it off and lived in the country.  It didn't get to me so much.
But most of you?  You're farking doomed.  And you PAY for it.  Willingly.  Gladly.  Get all snobby about it--how  much optional money you spend on things, because that makes you a better person than I am.  Bragging about your loss of control over your spending habits, like this is  some virtue of modern America life that I somehow missed out on.

You know why it costs more to live in America than anywhere else?  because you will farking pay for it.You're willing victims who keep going back for more.  You MADE this farking world, with all your money, all your piggery, all your treating the whole world like some kind of Disneyland that was put here only for you to trash.  That's why we don't look like other countries--they were not only protected from this nonsense by governments that actually give a fark about their citizens, they just don't believe in it as much.  (Unless you count South Korea or japan, and look what is happening to those poor people.  This is what you want?)    You were raised on it, and you not only believe in it, it's pretty much your reason for living.  ADVERTISING WORKS

so keep on paying your way, and make sure you get your money's worth out of all those trips, all those nights out, all those Uber rides, all that fancy food, all those trips to get your dog groomed while you have your nails done.  This is all your fault.

Yes, I do have all kinds of numbers to back this up.  I've posted them before.  You know I have them.


I bet you're fun at parties.
 
2021-09-28 7:40:47 PM  

Smackledorfer: Tldr: you aren't just saying it can be done. You are saying it is a solution advisable to wage slaves.


Maybe someone can sponsor them to come in and work a shiatty wage until the debt is paid off.
 
2021-09-28 7:50:47 PM  

Baloo Uriza: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Baloo Uriza: The point is the Democrats when they have a trifecta could ram shiat through if they wanted to without asking for Republican permission.

You don't have to explain it: I get what it was trying to say, but it's also untrue. The last time Democrats had a supermajority it lasted for less than a year (it was during the 111th Congress). President Barack Obama called a special joint session of Congress to promote health care reform, which successfully passed.

Passing the Republican bill of making the broken system mandatory isn't exactly a success when the Democrat bill was single payer universal healthcare.


Yep, ACA is a giant piece of shiat. Thanks American politics!
 
2021-09-28 8:03:23 PM  

Baloo Uriza: valenumr: Natalie Portmanteau: WhackingDay: I also think that a lot of this stems from our origins as fundamentalists that believe struggle and suffering builds character or makes you closer to god or some garbage. You still see this in a lot of people who repeat a mantra of "work hard" all the time. Europeans have long understood that life is more than work, but Americans cannot come to grips with that, at least as a society.

Yep. The "puritan work ethic" is a big part of the reason America is a capitalist dystopia.

That's a bit of a lazy argument. I view it more as a matter of reward for productivity. If you don't want to do anything, what do you expect? I don't recall any fairy tail where someone gets rewarded for sitting on their ass.

Nothing like suffering anyway no matter how hard you try!  Seriously, we need to raise the poverty floor in this country because it's third-world right now.


I don't really disagree, but to me, there is a weird sense of value that attach to a person's contributions.

Call me shiatty, fine. But it's to me the same as talking about antivaxxers.

I'm all in to support folks doing their part, but I'm not ready to go to bat for folks that want to go full stupid.
 
2021-09-28 8:06:07 PM  

Natalie Portmanteau: valenumr: Natalie Portmanteau: WhackingDay: I also think that a lot of this stems from our origins as fundamentalists that believe struggle and suffering builds character or makes you closer to god or some garbage. You still see this in a lot of people who repeat a mantra of "work hard" all the time. Europeans have long understood that life is more than work, but Americans cannot come to grips with that, at least as a society.

Yep. The "puritan work ethic" is a big part of the reason America is a capitalist dystopia.

That's a bit of a lazy argument. I view it more as a matter of reward for productivity. If you don't want to do anything, what do you expect? I don't recall any fairy tail where someone gets rewarded for sitting on their ass.

The puritan work ethic is a much more encompassing ideology than work hard and be rewarded. It also promotes the idea that people who are not slavishly enriching their "betters" are lazy, sinful, idiots.


If you just want to sit on your ass, why should anyone else raise a finger?
 
2021-09-28 8:07:57 PM  

Gin Buddy: valenumr: Natalie Portmanteau: WhackingDay: I also think that a lot of this stems from our origins as fundamentalists that believe struggle and suffering builds character or makes you closer to god or some garbage. You still see this in a lot of people who repeat a mantra of "work hard" all the time. Europeans have long understood that life is more than work, but Americans cannot come to grips with that, at least as a society.

Yep. The "puritan work ethic" is a big part of the reason America is a capitalist dystopia.

That's a bit of a lazy argument. I view it more as a matter of reward for productivity. If you don't want to do anything, what do you expect? I don't recall any fairy tail where someone gets rewarded for sitting on their ass.


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If you choose to put in minimal effort, you're gonna get minimal pay.
 
2021-09-28 8:17:09 PM  

valenumr: That's why I bought a million dollar mansion on the beach and declared it a church.


That's not entirely unlike how Victory Christian and ORU got started, TBF.
 
2021-09-28 8:18:24 PM  

valenumr: Baloo Uriza: valenumr: Natalie Portmanteau: WhackingDay: I also think that a lot of this stems from our origins as fundamentalists that believe struggle and suffering builds character or makes you closer to god or some garbage. You still see this in a lot of people who repeat a mantra of "work hard" all the time. Europeans have long understood that life is more than work, but Americans cannot come to grips with that, at least as a society.

Yep. The "puritan work ethic" is a big part of the reason America is a capitalist dystopia.

That's a bit of a lazy argument. I view it more as a matter of reward for productivity. If you don't want to do anything, what do you expect? I don't recall any fairy tail where someone gets rewarded for sitting on their ass.

Nothing like suffering anyway no matter how hard you try!  Seriously, we need to raise the poverty floor in this country because it's third-world right now.

I don't really disagree, but to me, there is a weird sense of value that attach to a person's contributions.

Call me shiatty, fine. But it's to me the same as talking about antivaxxers.

I'm all in to support folks doing their part, but I'm not ready to go to bat for folks that want to go full stupid.


I'd rather do that than let someone who is making an effort slip through the cracks.
 
2021-09-28 8:31:58 PM  

valenumr: Gin Buddy: valenumr: Natalie Portmanteau: WhackingDay: I also think that a lot of this stems from our origins as fundamentalists that believe struggle and suffering builds character or makes you closer to god or some garbage. You still see this in a lot of people who repeat a mantra of "work hard" all the time. Europeans have long understood that life is more than work, but Americans cannot come to grips with that, at least as a society.

Yep. The "puritan work ethic" is a big part of the reason America is a capitalist dystopia.

That's a bit of a lazy argument. I view it more as a matter of reward for productivity. If you don't want to do anything, what do you expect? I don't recall any fairy tail where someone gets rewarded for sitting on their ass.


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If you choose to put in minimal effort, you're gonna get minimal pay.


The problem is that you have that backwards. People get hired and get a salary up front. If they work for a cheap employer who doesn't pay anybody a decent salary, that employer is going to get shiatty workers.
 
2021-09-28 8:38:20 PM  

valenumr: Smackledorfer: Tldr: you aren't just saying it can be done. You are saying it is a solution advisable to wage slaves.

Maybe someone can sponsor them to come in and work a shiatty wage until the debt is paid off.


I don't know what this means.

Wage slavery doesn't require a debt, just a balance of zero.

And the EU isn't going to go out of their way to aid folks making 35k in the US when billions live on ten bucks or less a days. As well they shouldn't. America doesn't suck so bad that we deserve immigration slots in the EU.
 
2021-09-28 9:00:13 PM  

Smackledorfer: valenumr: Smackledorfer: Tldr: you aren't just saying it can be done. You are saying it is a solution advisable to wage slaves.

Maybe someone can sponsor them to come in and work a shiatty wage until the debt is paid off.

I don't know what this means.

Wage slavery doesn't require a debt, just a balance of zero.

And the EU isn't going to go out of their way to aid folks making 35k in the US when billions live on ten bucks or less a days. As well they shouldn't. America doesn't suck so bad that we deserve immigration slots in the EU.


I was being snarky. Sorry if trolly.
 
2021-09-28 9:01:58 PM  

Butternut Squanch: starsrift: It's called serfdom. Very old concept. Still works! Just have to hide it behind a few layers.

Sounds like slavery with extra steps.


Heh, yeah. You have the freedom to work for a different boss and even live in a different place if they allow you to afford it, though.
 
2021-09-28 9:02:52 PM  

Gin Buddy: valenumr: Gin Buddy: valenumr: Natalie Portmanteau: WhackingDay: I also think that a lot of this stems from our origins as fundamentalists that believe struggle and suffering builds character or makes you closer to god or some garbage. You still see this in a lot of people who repeat a mantra of "work hard" all the time. Europeans have long understood that life is more than work, but Americans cannot come to grips with that, at least as a society.

Yep. The "puritan work ethic" is a big part of the reason America is a capitalist dystopia.

That's a bit of a lazy argument. I view it more as a matter of reward for productivity. If you don't want to do anything, what do you expect? I don't recall any fairy tail where someone gets rewarded for sitting on their ass.


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If you choose to put in minimal effort, you're gonna get minimal pay.

The problem is that you have that backwards. People get hired and get a salary up front. If they work for a cheap employer who doesn't pay anybody a decent salary, that employer is going to get shiatty workers.


At the end of the day, unproductive employees get released.
 
2021-09-28 9:08:43 PM  

valenumr: Natalie Portmanteau: valenumr: Natalie Portmanteau: WhackingDay: I also think that a lot of this stems from our origins as fundamentalists that believe struggle and suffering builds character or makes you closer to god or some garbage. You still see this in a lot of people who repeat a mantra of "work hard" all the time. Europeans have long understood that life is more than work, but Americans cannot come to grips with that, at least as a society.

Yep. The "puritan work ethic" is a big part of the reason America is a capitalist dystopia.

That's a bit of a lazy argument. I view it more as a matter of reward for productivity. If you don't want to do anything, what do you expect? I don't recall any fairy tail where someone gets rewarded for sitting on their ass.

The puritan work ethic is a much more encompassing ideology than work hard and be rewarded. It also promotes the idea that people who are not slavishly enriching their "betters" are lazy, sinful, idiots.

If you just want to sit on your ass, why should anyone else raise a finger?


And, you are aware those aren't the only two options, yes?
 
2021-09-28 9:10:20 PM  

valenumr: Gin Buddy: valenumr: Gin Buddy: valenumr: Natalie Portmanteau: WhackingDay: I also think that a lot of this stems from our origins as fundamentalists that believe struggle and suffering builds character or makes you closer to god or some garbage. You still see this in a lot of people who repeat a mantra of "work hard" all the time. Europeans have long understood that life is more than work, but Americans cannot come to grips with that, at least as a society.

Yep. The "puritan work ethic" is a big part of the reason America is a capitalist dystopia.

That's a bit of a lazy argument. I view it more as a matter of reward for productivity. If you don't want to do anything, what do you expect? I don't recall any fairy tail where someone gets rewarded for sitting on their ass.


[Fark user image image 750x685]

If you choose to put in minimal effort, you're gonna get minimal pay.

The problem is that you have that backwards. People get hired and get a salary up front. If they work for a cheap employer who doesn't pay anybody a decent salary, that employer is going to get shiatty workers.

At the end of the day, unproductive employees get released.


Weird.  Senator Lankford still has a job.
 
2021-09-28 9:52:17 PM  

valenumr: Natalie Portmanteau: WhackingDay: I also think that a lot of this stems from our origins as fundamentalists that believe struggle and suffering builds character or makes you closer to god or some garbage. You still see this in a lot of people who repeat a mantra of "work hard" all the time. Europeans have long understood that life is more than work, but Americans cannot come to grips with that, at least as a society.

Yep. The "puritan work ethic" is a big part of the reason America is a capitalist dystopia.

That's a bit of a lazy argument. I view it more as a matter of reward for productivity. If you don't want to do anything, what do you expect? I don't recall any fairy tail where someone gets rewarded for sitting on their ass.


Grasshopper.
Didn't do shiat all year, then got to ride out the winter crashing on the Ant's couch.
 
2021-09-28 10:08:54 PM  

valenumr: Smackledorfer: valenumr: Smackledorfer: Tldr: you aren't just saying it can be done. You are saying it is a solution advisable to wage slaves.

Maybe someone can sponsor them to come in and work a shiatty wage until the debt is paid off.

I don't know what this means.

Wage slavery doesn't require a debt, just a balance of zero.

And the EU isn't going to go out of their way to aid folks making 35k in the US when billions live on ten bucks or less a days. As well they shouldn't. America doesn't suck so bad that we deserve immigration slots in the EU.

I was being snarky. Sorry if trolly.


My bad.
 
2021-09-28 10:27:46 PM  

Magnanimous_J: vrax: FFS, can you imagine?  If was making $230,000 I'd feel like I won the goddamned Power Ball.

It sounds like a lot until you make it.


Yeah, that's what Jeff Bezos says, too.
 
2021-09-28 10:53:09 PM  

NotCodger: "Heating, electricity, gas, water? These things caneasily add up to $500 to $1000 dollars per month."

Where the fark is he living?


I'm in big bend Texas. Gas doubled in February. It's now $350/month for just enough to heat two rooms in a trailer that costs $1600/month.
But at least electric is only $150 on top of that.

Meanwhile, to buy said trailer is $250k. No land except 0.3 acres.

This is Trump territory. But the local dems are pretty clueless as well.

I'm leaving soon. It's a cess pit. A beautiful cess pit.
 
2021-09-28 11:56:27 PM  

madgonad: No Catchy Nickname: Without rejecting his argument, I'd still like to see more specific data comparing US and European costs. I mean, I doubt utility costs and tax rates across Europe are the same for one thing, and I'd like to see more breakdown of the costs of other goods, bearing in mind sales tax/VAT in the EU zone is 20% or more.

Costs for electricity, natural gas, and water are about the same. Localization within countries are far more important. A Kwh of electricity costs a whole bunch more in California than is does in Montana.

Home ownership rates are similar, but houses/flats in Europe are MUCH smaller than in the US.

TV is all over the map. There is free OTA TV in the US, but parts of Europe require a license to receive broadcast services. Generally pay-TV is cheaper in Europe, but there are a lot fewer channels.

Wireless communications and internet in general is quite a bit cheaper in Europe. They have the density to make wireless a lot cheaper and heaps of regulation for internet pricing.

Public college/university is cheaper, but private is not. My niece graduated from the University of St Andrews in Scotland - OMG that was expensive.

We all buy the same garbage from Asia. The Europeans actually pay a bit more for the same garbage even before VAT.

Europeans don't accumulate 'stuff' like Americans do. You know all those self-storage businesses in the US? Yeah, that isn't really a thing. Americans waste a lot more money buying new things and then pay money to store the old things that they don't use but don't want to get rid of.


I mean, I went to a state university in NY from a neighboring state for $8000 a year in the year 2000.  It is now 27,000 a year.  And it wasn't a great school.
 
2021-09-28 11:58:30 PM  

Baloo Uriza: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Baloo Uriza: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Last time the Democrats were in charge they tried to fix healthcare.  The howling obstructionism from Republicans was deafening.

What that actually looked like:
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Thank you. It's hard to imagine something dumber than a Ben Garrison cartoon and the visualization here is a real help.

The point is the Democrats when they have a trifecta could ram shiat through if they wanted to without asking for Republican permission.  The problem is, they don't.


The last time they had a supermajority was for a period of 2 months with Obama.
 
2021-09-29 1:59:13 AM  

Gin Buddy: valenumr: Gin Buddy: valenumr: Natalie Portmanteau: WhackingDay: I also think that a lot of this stems from our origins as fundamentalists that believe struggle and suffering builds character or makes you closer to god or some garbage. You still see this in a lot of people who repeat a mantra of "work hard" all the time. Europeans have long understood that life is more than work, but Americans cannot come to grips with that, at least as a society.

Yep. The "puritan work ethic" is a big part of the reason America is a capitalist dystopia.

That's a bit of a lazy argument. I view it more as a matter of reward for productivity. If you don't want to do anything, what do you expect? I don't recall any fairy tail where someone gets rewarded for sitting on their ass.


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If you choose to put in minimal effort, you're gonna get minimal pay.

The problem is that you have that backwards. People get hired and get a salary up front. If they work for a cheap employer who doesn't pay anybody a decent salary, that employer is going to get shiatty workers.


Hehe, that's true. I guess if you're going to offer minimum pay, you're gonna get minimum effort.

That works too.
 
2021-09-29 2:33:46 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Merltech: NotCodger: "Heating, electricity, gas, water? These things caneasily add up to $500 to $1000 dollars per month."

Where the fark is he living?

Texas.

I live in Texas (and specifically Austin, which has a pretty high cost of living compared to the rest of the state) and my total cost for those combined is around $200 per month.


except for the couple of days when it cost $9,000 dollars and you have to join a class action suit
/Griddy much?
 
2021-09-29 2:59:29 PM  
Here in California, electricity and gas run me under $50 every month even during the hottest part of the year.  They're under $30 the rest of the year.

My utility bills were much, much higher in Texas.  COL isn't some straightforward multiplier for everything.

As I own a house in California, my cost of living is actually quite a bit cheaper than what I'd have most other places in the U.S.

Television costs me under $15 per month because I'm not dumb enough to subscribe to more than one streaming service at a time.

Healthcare is the biggest drag, though.  Health insurance costs considerably less literally everywhere else in the world, and there are plenty of places where you don't even need insurance.

The thing is, as long as I'm working, I'm getting paid more in California than I would doing the same job in, for example, most of Europe.  I'll stick with that for now.  I'll over-pay for healthcare until I retire, and then I'll go someplace where it's cheap.

The trade-off of going somewhere with cheap healthcare is usually little more than not hearing English spoken everywhere anymore.  There's a reason so many Americans retire in Panama, Spain, and Thailand.  There are plenty of places that are both nice and cheap.
 
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