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2021-09-28 11:20:34 AM  

clawsoon: princhester: As others have pointed out, even while the conclusion of that article may have some validity, the facts and reasoning are crap.

So Wall St makes huge amounts out of extending credit that people can't repay?   How does that work exactly?

Easy.  You make it so that they repay the debt multiple times over without ever being able to pay off the principal.

This technique has been known for thousands of years.  In the old days, it would end with the indebted person becoming a slave of the creditor.


Or more happily, with the creditor getting his skull crushed in with a big rock.
 
2021-09-28 11:21:14 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Every Umar Haique article is the same article.  America is stupid.  Americans are stupid.  Everyone is stupid but Umar Haique.

Where to begin with how stupid you are:

How much do I pay for internet and TV in Europe? About thirty dollars, give or take. How much do I pay in America? $150.

OK, well, just use the antenna then.  You don't need to pay for TV at all.


So your response to perfectly valid points is to put your fingers in your ears and yell "NA NA NA NA I CAN'T HEAR YOU I CAN'T HEAR YOU"?

Yeah, that is pretty stupid.
 
2021-09-28 11:24:26 AM  

Carthax: NotCodger: "Heating, electricity, gas, water? These things caneasily add up to $500 to $1000 dollars per month."

Where the fark is he living?

Middle Tennessee and east Tennessee can see prices like that, for sure...  We live outside of Nashville, and I've also lived just outside of Knoxville.  Our first six months, we had an electric bill around $350 per month.

We installed high-efficiency AC/Heat pump units (1 upstairs and 1 downstairs) six months after we moved in to our current house, and dropped our monthly electric bill from $350 to $275.

Then we installed a 7.1kw solar system on the roof and dropped the electrical bill from $300 to an average of $100 or so (about $75 in the fall, winter, and spring, and $130 in the hottest part of the summer).

Water can run us $100/month for normal usage for a family of 3 -- though our city has high water costs, so we're not a good example on that one.

Gas for the car (the house is entirely electric) can run upwards of $400/month.

That's $850 before we mitigated a significant chunk of the cost with solar panels and high-efficiency air conditioning.

...and we compromised when we bought our most recent vehicle, too.  I drive back and forth to east Tennessee once per week, and five or six times per year I tow 1500-2000 lbs of stuff -- instead of the F150 I wanted, we got a Subaru Impreza and put a tow-hitch on it.  It will tow everything I can put behind it, and it gets 22mpg in the city, and upwards of 35mpg on the highway (about 28 while towing).


Still, if you are getting an average of even ~25 MPG your $400/mo in gas is 138 gallons per month at TN's current average gas price which would be 3400 miles per month.  That is waaaaaay more than the average monthly distance driven (around ~1100 miles/mo in the US) so your $400/mo in gas certainly wouldn't be representative of the general TN or US population.
 
2021-09-28 11:25:27 AM  

Pats_Cloth_Coat: The big ripoff in America is healthcare.


This. That is one other advantage Europe has. I think I pay $9,000 a year for "good" insurance (yet if something happens I'll still be on the hook, even small like a broken arm will probably cost me $300 out of pocket and that's if I don't have to get a $4000 ambulance ride. On just me, that's not a family. My mortgage on a new house isn't much more.
 
2021-09-28 11:25:39 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: In other words...
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Yes, everything wrong with American debt and poverty is caused by Republicans.  There haven't been any Democrat senators from a state with a lot of credit card companies, say, who has always pushed to benefit those companies.
 
2021-09-28 11:25:40 AM  
That's a lot of words for "It's expensive to be poor."
 
2021-09-28 11:27:01 AM  

Kattungali: Rapmaster2000: Every Umar Haique article is the same article.  America is stupid.  Americans are stupid.  Everyone is stupid but Umar Haique.

Where to begin with how stupid you are:

How much do I pay for internet and TV in Europe? About thirty dollars, give or take. How much do I pay in America? $150.

OK, well, just use the antenna then.  You don't need to pay for TV at all.

So your response to perfectly valid points is to put your fingers in your ears and yell "NA NA NA NA I CAN'T HEAR YOU I CAN'T HEAR YOU"?

Yeah, that is pretty stupid.


I feel like I addressed the points quite well.  I observed he used average individual income to make a complaint about paying median household expenses.  That was wrong.  I highlighted how he was using a misleading debt statistic to make a point that Americans are somehow uniquely burdened.  That is also incorrect.  I mocked the idea that Europe (home of Eurovision) was a bastion of unique and enlightened content.

While the median internet price is roughly 40% more expensive in the US, you can get TV for free.  You don't have to pay for TV.  You can use an antenna or watch Pluto.  Is that not correct?
 
2021-09-28 11:27:15 AM  

TwilightZone: I've read a lot of criticisms of America by non-Americans that are really silly -- like New York city dwellers can't grow their own food (because NYC is the place to live if you want to grow your own food).  But this one is totally spot on, from top to bottom, start to finish.  Should be required reading in all high schools (before the kids pile on a bunch of student debt) but it won't.  Young farkers  -- take note!  Spread this to all your friends.


This one does hit a lot of the right notes. It IS better than 90% of the British ones that always boil down to "you Yanks don't do it all sensible like back 'home, eh?"
 
2021-09-28 11:40:37 AM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: I think I pay $9,000 a year for "good" insurance (yet if something happens I'll still be on the hook, even small like a broken arm will probably cost me $300 out of pocket and that's if I don't have to get a $4000 ambulance ride. On just me, that's not a family.


And that's cheap. Average cost for employer-funded health insurance premiums are approximately $20,000/year

Most people don't realize they're paying that much since it's a fringe benefit from your employer. It's like an enormous hidden tax.
 
2021-09-28 11:46:24 AM  

big pig peaches: Nick Nostril: BlazeTrailer: Nick Nostril: Unfortunately, for many/most 'muricans, The United States of America is the name of a planet, not a single country amongst many on a planet. Their view of the world ends at the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.

Or they get the sense that this douche is representative of the rest of the world and DECIDE that the Atlantic and Pacific are boundaries to maintain some sanity.

Indeed. The US is the only developed country without some sort of single payer healthcare system. We must be the ones doing it right.

We're also the only country where hundreds of thousands of people can just walk across the border.

We simply cannot have social programs while the borders are basically open. It is unsustainable.



With the sole exception of nutrition support for pregnant women, you cannot get any welfare benefits at all if you're not a legal resident. None. Zero

I've worked pm an eligibility system for a state health and social services. Literally the first step in the eligibility process is to check if you're a citizen or lawful resident. There are homeless who can't get help because they can't produce a birth certificate or ID
 
2021-09-28 11:52:46 AM  
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2021-09-28 11:54:33 AM  
They know it. They're just usually blaming the wrong people.
 
2021-09-28 11:55:29 AM  
The One With The Covid Conspiracies - SOME MORE NEWS
Youtube HA6krUO43jw


I've never agreed with Warmbo in any of these videos... until now. Hit play goes straight to the good spot.
 
2021-09-28 12:04:10 PM  
And we keep paying it. California put in solar and wind. Now they ask us not to use power between the hours of 4 and 9 pm because the sun went down. We pay around 20% more than most for this privilege. Cut the cord on cable but now my streaming choice costs are almost high enough to make me go back to cable. Kind of a pain to stream. You can't channel surf. I guess some don't even know what that is now. So old.
 
2021-09-28 12:14:46 PM  

Strategeryz0r: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/HA6krUO4​3jw]

I've never agreed with Warmbo in any of these videos... until now. Hit play goes straight to the good spot.


whoopsie, wrong thread. mah bad.
 
2021-09-28 12:20:20 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: EVERYTHING IS BETTER IN EUROPE! THE STREETS ARE PAVED WITH GOLD!

/it sucks there too, don't kid yourself.
//look at the protests
///you can get better cured meats and wine for less that's about it


I'll repeat myself: It's nicer here than anywhere I've ever lived in the US at any time in the last 40 years.
I know Americans and especially politicians like to point out all the bad stuff in Europe but you're fooling yourself. I've been here for going on 6 years and have no plans to ever leave
 
2021-09-28 12:20:29 PM  

farkitallletitend: And we keep paying it. California put in solar and wind. Now they ask us not to use power between the hours of 4 and 9 pm because the sun went down. We pay around 20% more than most for this privilege. Cut the cord on cable but now my streaming choice costs are almost high enough to make me go back to cable. Kind of a pain to stream. You can't channel surf. I guess some don't even know what that is now. So old.


Do we? The government keeps track of utility expenses by county: https://www.justice.gov/ust/m​eans-test​ing/20210515

Checking CA to other states, I don't see much of a difference. Seems to be about $500/m on average everywhere.
 
2021-09-28 12:26:22 PM  
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2021-09-28 12:31:06 PM  
US can be pretty cheap to live in, but you need to already have a lot of assets.

Which means, for the average rent-paying Joe, it's a rip off.
 
2021-09-28 12:35:03 PM  

Strategeryz0r: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/HA6krUO4​3jw]

I've never agreed with Warmbo in any of these videos... until now. Hit play goes straight to the good spot.


I was thinking the same thing when I saw this yesterday. WARMBO WAS RIGHT!!
 
2021-09-28 12:37:59 PM  

Persnickety: One anecdote wrt this: I know a family who all voted for Trump.  They live in a shiatty apartment but the wife gets $50 manicures every other week while the husband keeps buying sports cars that are completely impractical for their family needs (two kids).  They always always always have new clothes every time I see them.  They have crap service industry jobs and have pulled every trick in the book to dodge creditors who keep on hounding them.  They've moved three times in the last five years.  Oh, and did I also mention that they are black?  Trump is their idol and if you ask me, it's because they see themselves in him.


We are glad you have kept track of this Black family through five years and three moves.  We need someone watching them closely.
 
2021-09-28 12:38:03 PM  
That's the Free Market you're talking about! It's Perfect! I suppose you want to live in some Commie hellhole.
 
2021-09-28 12:41:53 PM  

Father_Jack: Subtonic: Father_Jack: Subtonic: And the cherry on top. Just move, stupid!

i did.That's why i'm saying you should too.

Next you'll ask why I don't just buy more money.

WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN

and sorry for coming across like a humblebragging douche. its a hard line to walk online.

on the one hand, if i provide a lot of numbers and details, it sounds like i'm tooting my horn. but if i dont provide deets, it sounds like just talking points and not "real".

anyway hard balance to strike.

/sorry
//you should still move tho, america sucks


You claim you moved permanently to Germany.

Ok, tell me how any of the people in a bad financial trap in US can move to Germany. Are they taking economic refugees from the US? We both know they aren't. Do they let visa overstays work and stay forever? We both know they don't.

In fact, you require either a job offer to sponsor you for a work visa or the kind of cash to be a job creator 250,000 euros.

I believe, iirc, tracing lineage back can get something too. At least that's what my born in Germany grandfather has told me long ago.

So when you say "why don't you just move to a place like Germany" you are being an obtuse asshole. And it makes you come off like a liar who doesn't know what it takes to move.
 
2021-09-28 12:55:37 PM  

NotCodger: "Heating, electricity, gas, water? These things caneasily add up to $500 to $1000 dollars per month."

Where the fark is he living?


Using PG&E in California its easily $500. I pay around $300 a month in California under a community ran system.
 
2021-09-28 1:05:36 PM  

King Keepo: Paying sales tax at point of sale is infuriating

Particularly

infuriating when you have to pay a sales tax to turn something into your property, then another constantly climbing annual tax to just continue to own that property, unless you're a religious establishment, in which case you are free to avail yourself of ALL the benefits those taxes provide without paying a goddam dime towards making them available, even if you're fabulously wealthy.

Governments enacting laws that provide religious establishments with uniquely beneficial tax treatment is precisely the thing that is specifically prohibited by the First Amendment.

Until the Supreme Court decided "establishment" is akshully...a goddam verb.

No. It isn't.

An "establishment of religion" = religious establishment (a broad term encompassing all manner of churches, temples, mosques, etc.)

Any sensible court would know this. But, well...'murica --where the dumbest conceivable interpretation is the starting point.
 
2021-09-28 1:06:15 PM  
How odd! No one has been talking about this, anywhere, ever!
 
2021-09-28 1:13:01 PM  

NotCodger: "Heating, electricity, gas, water? These things caneasily add up to $500 to $1000 dollars per month."

Where the fark is he living?


I used to live in a tiny duplex in NH that had electric heat. My electric bill in the cold months exceeded $500 each month. It was ridiculous!

Now, my landlord was an electrician who lived in the house right next door, and I always wondered if he were running his house off my electric meter or something. I was never able to figure that out.
 
2021-09-28 1:23:05 PM  

OccamsWhiskers: Hey Nurse!: There's a lot of cherry picking going on in that article.

Yes, some of the numbers are pretty skewed. It's not a well-vetted article, but the general point stands. Income tax in the US is relatively low, but we get very little in exchange for that. For those who haven't made it to well above average income & stability, it's a financial disaster.

Hey Nurse!: The solution is simple. If you don't like it here, get the fark out.

That's not simple at all. At least not if you don't have a ton of money. But the US is pretty comfortable in that case, too.


.
I've recently moved to the States - shudder - for a year or two.

It was simple enough for him to move up his own ass.
 
2021-09-28 1:30:39 PM  

harleyquinnical: Tr0mBoNe: Most Americans:
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Easy to get by the taste when it's the only taste most of us have ever known


Easy to get by the taste when you don't have an option.
 
2021-09-28 1:32:38 PM  
Being middle class in Europe is not all its cracked up to be. I made a friend who'd just moved from Germany who was just astonished that middle class people in the US could afford toys like Jet Skis and lake cabins. Its true that a lot of goods and services are subsidized, but they take so much in taxes that you can't really do anything except just exist.

Being rich in Europe seems awesome. But its almost impossible to become rich. Most of the rich people there are still spending family blood money from 300 years ago.

Like it or not, America is still the land of opportunity, which is why people still risk life and limb to come here.
 
2021-09-28 1:34:17 PM  
Colorblind people hate you Umair.

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2021-09-28 1:35:37 PM  
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2021-09-28 1:46:41 PM  

Ambivalence: Speak for yourself, I've known it for a while.


Same, and it's why I'm pissed off.
 
2021-09-28 1:53:39 PM  

Magnanimous_J: Being middle class in Europe is not all its cracked up to be. I made a friend who'd just moved from Germany who was just astonished that middle class people in the US could afford toys like Jet Skis and lake cabins. Its true that a lot of goods and services are subsidized, but they take so much in taxes that you can't really do anything except just exist.


Hmmm... jet ski or healthcare. That's a though one. Besides, a jet ski is like 15k new. That isn't anywhere near "I can't afford it because I'm middle class in Europe" money.
 
2021-09-28 1:54:29 PM  
The onion figured this out 15+ years ago:

Cost Of Living Now Outweighs Benefits
 
2021-09-28 2:00:48 PM  

DerAppie: Magnanimous_J: Being middle class in Europe is not all its cracked up to be. I made a friend who'd just moved from Germany who was just astonished that middle class people in the US could afford toys like Jet Skis and lake cabins. Its true that a lot of goods and services are subsidized, but they take so much in taxes that you can't really do anything except just exist.

Hmmm... jet ski or healthcare. That's a though one. Besides, a jet ski is like 15k new. That isn't anywhere near "I can't afford it because I'm middle class in Europe" money.


I don't know what to tell you. Apparently big ticket toys are extremely rare for the middle class to own in Europe.
 
2021-09-28 2:02:50 PM  
Couldn't afford Obvious tag.
 
2021-09-28 2:04:48 PM  

Rapmaster2000: The average American income is about $35K per year. That's about $2400 a month, if you're lucky, after taxes. What bills are we up to? $1200 for a crappy apartment. A few hundreds, let's call it two or three, for connectivity. And another $500 or so for basic utilities. That leaves you with about $400 for the month, or just $100 dollars a week.
That's American life. That's why Americans feel so poor. Because they are. American life is a gigantic rip-offf.
The average American - after subtracting basic bills of shelter and utilities - has just $100 to spend on food, clothing, kids, medicine, all the other necessities.

OK, but Americans don't pay household expenses with an "average income".  They pay it with the median household income, which is $63,688.


Yeah, those numbers being given are skewed and I doubt they've been seriously vetted. There is still a point to be made that average wages have been stagnant for 30-40 years now but costs have not.

In our area an okay (not great but not a slum) apartment with 2B1b cost $800 per month about eight years ago. Now that same apartment has ballooned to almost twice that cost. A 1400 sqft rental house that went for $1300 per month goes now for $2700. Meanwhile our area's mode salary has only gone up from $25k to $26k and average from $26k to $28k.

Cost of living and inflation have well outpaced wages and the jobs market hasn't ever truly recovered from the '08 crash. You used to be fine with one earner per household, now most can't get by without two. And people wonder why the more recent generations haven't been throwing lavish weddings, buying houses, and overall have the least generational wealth.
 
2021-09-28 2:09:53 PM  

Magnanimous_J: DerAppie: Magnanimous_J: Being middle class in Europe is not all its cracked up to be. I made a friend who'd just moved from Germany who was just astonished that middle class people in the US could afford toys like Jet Skis and lake cabins. Its true that a lot of goods and services are subsidized, but they take so much in taxes that you can't really do anything except just exist.

Hmmm... jet ski or healthcare. That's a though one. Besides, a jet ski is like 15k new. That isn't anywhere near "I can't afford it because I'm middle class in Europe" money.

I don't know what to tell you. Apparently big ticket toys are extremely rare for the middle class to own in Europe.


lmao what a farking ridiculous argument.
 
2021-09-28 2:11:22 PM  
Wow,  Umair Haque.   Fark has fallen on hard times.   For those of you who missed the memo, Marxism failed.  It didn't even have a good run and fail, It failed right out of the gate.
 
2021-09-28 2:18:10 PM  

Magnanimous_J: Apparently big ticket toys are extremely rare for the middle class to own in Europe.


They probably are. I know no-one who owns a jet ski or a lake cabin. But that isn't because they are unaffordable.

/Though the cabin might be
//Very small country and all that
///3
 
2021-09-28 2:19:27 PM  

Smackledorfer: Father_Jack: Subtonic: Father_Jack: Subtonic: And the cherry on top. Just move, stupid!

i did.That's why i'm saying you should too.

Next you'll ask why I don't just buy more money.

WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN

and sorry for coming across like a humblebragging douche. its a hard line to walk online.

on the one hand, if i provide a lot of numbers and details, it sounds like i'm tooting my horn. but if i dont provide deets, it sounds like just talking points and not "real".

anyway hard balance to strike.

/sorry
//you should still move tho, america sucks

You claim you moved permanently to Germany.

Ok, tell me how any of the people in a bad financial trap in US can move to Germany. Are they taking economic refugees from the US? We both know they aren't. Do they let visa overstays work and stay forever? We both know they don't.

In fact, you require either a job offer to sponsor you for a work visa or the kind of cash to be a job creator 250,000 euros.

I believe, iirc, tracing lineage back can get something too. At least that's what my born in Germany grandfather has told me long ago.

So when you say "why don't you just move to a place like Germany" you are being an obtuse asshole. And it makes you come off like a liar who doesn't know what it takes to move.


Will given as I have moved abroad 3x to Germany and 2x to Switzerland at various points in my life I do think I know how to do it as I have done so. Sure your mileage may vary based on your circumstances but if you have the desire and any redeemable set of skills in a wide variety of professions, yes, you can emigrate.

I have friends in berlin and zurich who aren't even german speaking who did it. Or if you want to not have to learn german you can go to Australia or New Zealand- friends and relatives of mine have done that, too.

Yes you need skills - but that's true to any country. I've only cold moved to another country 2x the rest of the times were internal transfers.

So, if exhorting people to get out of a country that wants to enslave them makes me sound like an obtuse asshole, well...okay, if that's how you wanna take it?

All I'm trying to say is,it can be done, many of us have done it, and leave to a place where regular people don't worry about getting fired all the time, where their kids funding is going to come from, or when theyre gonna get a day off.

Each time I've done its taken about a year to coordinate,plan get the visas from the embassies etc. Generally it's a hassle but doable. It's easier for academic visas since the unis do the lifting. Then you get to your country of destination and flail for a year or two till you get it dialed. A lot of expats bail at that point - a mistake I made 2x.

After about yr 3 you're settled and the noise and bullshiat is far away, only really shows up when you get called an obtuse asshole by wage slaves on fark.

Places like Australia give you citizenship reasonably quickly, Germany is less generous w the passport but perm residency is reasonable. The german heritage thing is a thing but I'm not sure as I've not investigated it since I'm not a kraut by heritage. The Italians and the Irish do this as well. Maybe evildog can Comme. On getting a Nederlands paaasseenpoortengraaacht, which I'm sure is the Dutch word for that
 
2021-09-28 2:19:43 PM  
Didnt know it?  I've always known it....and so I live my life in a way that won't  use so many services that aren't necessary.  And then you buy second-hand, buy used cars, just don't pay for that shiat.  Life gets much cheaper.

Now you guys:  You pay for it.  All the optional stuff, as well as the necessities.  You not only PAY for it, you keep asking for more of it, for more choices, for more kinds of services, for more convenient services, for more, more, more.  Consumer spending in the US is the highest on the planet, and the younger the generation, the more they spend on bullshiat.  They're trained--much better trained than I ever was.  Because i blew it off and lived in the country.  It didn't get to me so much.
But most of you?  You're farking doomed.  And you PAY for it.  Willingly.  Gladly.  Get all snobby about it--how  much optional money you spend on things, because that makes you a better person than I am.  Bragging about your loss of control over your spending habits, like this is  some virtue of modern America life that I somehow missed out on.

You know why it costs more to live in America than anywhere else?  because you will farking pay for it.You're willing victims who keep going back for more.  You MADE this farking world, with all your money, all your piggery, all your treating the whole world like some kind of Disneyland that was put here only for you to trash.  That's why we don't look like other countries--they were not only protected from this nonsense by governments that actually give a fark about their citizens, they just don't believe in it as much.  (Unless you count South Korea or japan, and look what is happening to those poor people.  This is what you want?)    You were raised on it, and you not only believe in it, it's pretty much your reason for living.  ADVERTISING WORKS

so keep on paying your way, and make sure you get your money's worth out of all those trips, all those nights out, all those Uber rides, all that fancy food, all those trips to get your dog groomed while you have your nails done.  This is all your fault.

Yes, I do have all kinds of numbers to back this up.  I've posted them before.  You know I have them.
 
2021-09-28 2:27:15 PM  

BeotchPudding: FARK : 'It's not News, it's communist/socialist talking points'


OK, anti-american COVIDiot.
 
2021-09-28 2:29:19 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Last time the Democrats were in charge they tried to fix healthcare.  The howling obstructionism from Republicans was deafening.


What that actually looked like:
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2021-09-28 2:30:21 PM  

Father_Jack: Smackledorfer: Father_Jack: Subtonic: Father_Jack: Subtonic: And the cherry on top. Just move, stupid!

i did.That's why i'm saying you should too.

Next you'll ask why I don't just buy more money.

WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN

and sorry for coming across like a humblebragging douche. its a hard line to walk online.

on the one hand, if i provide a lot of numbers and details, it sounds like i'm tooting my horn. but if i dont provide deets, it sounds like just talking points and not "real".

anyway hard balance to strike.

/sorry
//you should still move tho, america sucks

You claim you moved permanently to Germany.

Ok, tell me how any of the people in a bad financial trap in US can move to Germany. Are they taking economic refugees from the US? We both know they aren't. Do they let visa overstays work and stay forever? We both know they don't.

In fact, you require either a job offer to sponsor you for a work visa or the kind of cash to be a job creator 250,000 euros.

I believe, iirc, tracing lineage back can get something too. At least that's what my born in Germany grandfather has told me long ago.

So when you say "why don't you just move to a place like Germany" you are being an obtuse asshole. And it makes you come off like a liar who doesn't know what it takes to move.

Will given as I have moved abroad 3x to Germany and 2x to Switzerland at various points in my life I do think I know how to do it as I have done so. Sure your mileage may vary based on your circumstances but if you have the desire and any redeemable set of skills in a wide variety of professions, yes, you can emigrate.

I have friends in berlin and zurich who aren't even german speaking who did it. Or if you want to not have to learn german you can go to Australia or New Zealand- friends and relatives of mine have done that, too.

Yes you need skills - but that's true to any country. I've only cold moved to another country 2x the rest of the times were internal transfers.

So, if exhorting people to get out of a country that wants to enslave them makes me sound like an obtuse asshole, well...okay, if that's how you wanna take it?

All I'm trying to say is,it can be done, many of us have done it, and leave to a place where regular people don't worry about getting fired all the time, where their kids funding is going to come from, or when theyre gonna get a day off.

Each time I've done its taken about a year to coordinate,plan get the visas from the embassies etc. Generally it's a hassle but doable. It's easier for academic visas since the unis do the lifting. Then you get to your country of destination and flail for a year or two till you get it dialed. A lot of expats bail at that point - a mistake I made 2x.

After about yr 3 you're settled and the noise and bullshiat is far away, only really shows up when you get called an obtuse asshole by wage slaves on fark.

Places like Australia give you citizenship reasonably quickly, Germany is less generous w the passport but perm residency is reasonable. The german heritage thing is a thing but I'm not sure as I've not investigated it since I'm not a kraut by heritage. The Italians and the Irish do this as well. Maybe evildog can Comme. On getting a Nederlands paaasseenpoortengraaacht, which I'm sure is the Dutch word for that


Again, the question isn't whether it CAN be done.

The question is whether it is viable for any significant number if those who actually need to in the way tfa describes. And the answer to that is no, it surely is not.

The people making 35,000 in the US DON'T HAVE THE SKILLS TO MOVE TO GERMANY.

And as a person who has done it multiple times and knows all these folks who have, why don't you support your argument with a quick piece of advice to highlight how simple and available it is as an option?  We'll wait.
 
2021-09-28 2:30:49 PM  

BeotchPudding: Unright: BeotchPudding: FARK : 'It's not News, it's communist/socialist talking points'

Because the U.S. is the greatest, best country God has ever given man on the face of the earth? Ok, Hannity.

It would be really awesome if the US swallowed some pride and learned from what other countries were doing well.

What Country spread Democracy around the world?


We'll find out for the first time when it doesn't happen at the point of a gun.
 
2021-09-28 2:31:45 PM  
Tldr: you aren't just saying it can be done. You are saying it is a solution advisable to wage slaves.
 
2021-09-28 2:34:42 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Kattungali: Rapmaster2000: Every Umar Haique article is the same article.  America is stupid.  Americans are stupid.  Everyone is stupid but Umar Haique.

Where to begin with how stupid you are:

How much do I pay for internet and TV in Europe? About thirty dollars, give or take. How much do I pay in America? $150.

OK, well, just use the antenna then.  You don't need to pay for TV at all.

So your response to perfectly valid points is to put your fingers in your ears and yell "NA NA NA NA I CAN'T HEAR YOU I CAN'T HEAR YOU"?

Yeah, that is pretty stupid.

I feel like I addressed the points quite well.  I observed he used average individual income to make a complaint about paying median household expenses.  That was wrong.  I highlighted how he was using a misleading debt statistic to make a point that Americans are somehow uniquely burdened.  That is also incorrect.  I mocked the idea that Europe (home of Eurovision) was a bastion of unique and enlightened content.

While the median internet price is roughly 40% more expensive in the US, you can get TV for free.  You don't have to pay for TV.  You can use an antenna or watch Pluto.  Is that not correct?


I agree with Kattungali. That's how you're coming across.

I asked about someone stuck in an abusive relationship who can't afford $1400 a month rent, and your answer was that *other* people are fine, as if ignoring the number of people that can't afford housing.

/Those who can't afford rent, AC, heat, internet, or food better than ramen noodles DGAF about statistics and math theories.

//Those who don't understand how easily you can lose everything in a surprise divorce or health emergency will be shocked when it's their turn to be one of the poors.

///third slashie put me in debt
 
2021-09-28 2:35:42 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I just remembered a Planet Money podcast sometime ago about these interesting imbalances in the German power market that make electricity in Germany very expensive.  So there's this:  https://www.statista.com/statis​tics/263492/electricity-prices-in-sele​cted-countries/
Electricity in Germany is 147% more expensive than in the US.


And their homes are 147% smaller?
Because the big house is optional, not a necessity of life.
If you wanted to make an argument about how piggish we are, you could start and end it right there with home size.  It says a lot about us, how big we think we need our homes to be, right?  And how many we own, which is another subject.

New homes in Canada and the US are big and getting bigger.  The average size of a newly constructed single-family detached home is now 2,600 square feet in the US and probably 2,200 in Canada.  The average size of a new house in the US has doubled since 1960.  Though data is sparse for Canada, it appears that the average size of a new house has doubled since the 1970s.
We like our personal space.  A lot.  Indeed, space per person has been growing even faster than house size.  Because as our houses have been growing, our families have been shrinking, and this means that per-capita space has increased dramatically.  Australia, Canadians and Americans enjoy the greatest per-capita floorspace in the world.  The average Canadian or American each has double the residential space of the average UK, Spanish, or Italian resident.


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But if  you live in one of the desirable areas (translation:  places where you can make a lot of money to support your habits), then living space is going down, because they already know that you're a junkie and will pay for that access to more money, even if you have to give up some of your living standards.
Haha!  And you pay extra for it!
 
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