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(WIVB)   New York to deploy National Guard to step in for medical staff who would rather quit than get a little vaccine   (wivb.com) divider line
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2021-09-27 8:52:22 PM  
It's not as many medical staff as it is the care staff. CNAs are not known to be the smartest people.
I was one, I know them.
 
2021-09-27 11:20:11 PM  
After reading about nurses who refuse to get vaccinated I will never see nurses the same again. I thought they were smarter than to refuse to get vaccinated. At least the registered nurses.
 
2021-09-27 11:23:56 PM  
Thank God someone is calling this bluff.

I honestly can't believe the media and discourse in this country... This is the farking stupidest bullshiat ever but we're all talking about it like not getting a vaccine is a legitimate serious position that serious people can have.

No.

It's farking stupid.
 
2021-09-27 11:33:05 PM  

Picklehead: After reading about nurses who refuse to get vaccinated I will never see nurses the same again. I thought they were smarter than to refuse to get vaccinated. At least the registered nurses.


They are not
There are some, but they got vaccinated
But yeah, there are plenty of garbage nurses
 
2021-09-27 11:52:23 PM  

SoupGuru: Thank God someone is calling this bluff.

I honestly can't believe the media and discourse in this country... This is the farking stupidest bullshiat ever but we're all talking about it like not getting a vaccine is a legitimate serious position that serious people can have.

No.

It's farking stupid.


The media is God damned complicit - liberal but ESPECIALLY conservative - and frankly there need to be lawsuits to break up the conglomerates.

After THIS?? it has to be done.
Our country won't survive many more decades of "well, we have this victim of rape and we have her rapist, the rapist gets even more time to speak and both of their sides are equally valid" bullshiat.
 
2021-09-28 12:06:42 AM  
How do we know the National Guard are vaccinated?
 
2021-09-28 12:18:28 AM  
They won't need many. Some previous article said that only 2% of those who threatened to quit actually did so.
 
2021-09-28 12:23:28 AM  
How about trying to vaccinate people, let's give the people who refuse a MASSIVE dose of COVID and see if they survive.

I'm sick of these asshats tearing this country apart and wish they all die a painful death while vaccinated people point and laugh at them.

/And that they don't take any innocent people or kids with them.
//Seriously, cut all unvaccinated people out of your life
///Except those that cannot get it of.coirse
 
2021-09-28 12:27:39 AM  
Just another troupe of cry-sis actors performing their 6-act play of stupid.

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2021-09-28 12:29:20 AM  

NotARocketScientist: They won't need many. Some previous article said that only 2% of those who threatened to quit actually did so.


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2021-09-28 12:31:26 AM  
Good. This should also be applied nationwide in not only healthcare but, education, police/fire and farking local, state and federal farking government.

FFS....I hate this farking timeline
 
2021-09-28 12:39:31 AM  
They can maybe get a job in the deep south at 1/4 the salary? It's a freedom tax
 
2021-09-28 12:40:47 AM  

Picklehead: After reading about nurses who refuse to get vaccinated I will never see nurses the same again. I thought they were smarter than to refuse to get vaccinated. At least the registered nurses.


So, I work in academia.

There are a lot of stupid educated people out there.


Take care.
 
2021-09-28 12:44:28 AM  

Picklehead: After reading about nurses who refuse to get vaccinated I will never see nurses the same again. I thought they were smarter than to refuse to get vaccinated. At least the registered nurses.


At my sister's wedding, the fatherinlaw started chocking. One of the nurses present tried the Heimlich, then my sisters best friend pushed them out of the way and took over. That big old chuck of steak popped out. FIL was breathing again.

She's one of the best nurses you could ever wish for. Except, oddly, she's antivax. Pisses my sister off endlessly. Her best friend, a great nurse, and yet antivax. Sis doesn't understand, and yet she loves this friend. When my Mom was dying from terminal cancer, she was there often, helping bedside, providing care, doing the hard work.

The world is a strange place. Antivax is wrong. It's antiscience. But people are complex. Some good people think odd things. Be careful about how you judge people. I don't understand how an otherwise intelligent person can be antivax and yet, some are and are still caring people. It confuses me. And still, these people spend their lives caring for others. They are imperfect people. I'm not perfect either. At some level, I think the thing is to accept their imperfections and accept their efforts to help others.
 
2021-09-28 12:44:47 AM  

Picklehead: After reading about nurses who refuse to get vaccinated I will never see nurses the same again. I thought they were smarter than to refuse to get vaccinated. At least the registered nurses.


... I've got bad news for you, outside of their specific specialty doctors aren't typically any brighter than the average member of any other profession either.

Actually I have reallybad news for you-- public health and the mechanics of vaccination are two of the things that lie outside of the aforementioned specific specialties.  A disturbingly large number of doctors aren't vaccinated either.  I mean... more of them than the general population, but akin to other slices of the population likely to have had personal experiences with the death toll, which means there are a surprising number of idiotic holdouts.

You should... probably not put medical professionals up on that pedestal, that kind of uninformed thinking is how you end up with morons like the Pauls or Ben Carson in positions of power in our government.
 
2021-09-28 12:48:11 AM  
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Good news is, lots of places are hiring
 
2021-09-28 12:57:46 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Picklehead: After reading about nurses who refuse to get vaccinated I will never see nurses the same again. I thought they were smarter than to refuse to get vaccinated. At least the registered nurses.

... I've got bad news for you, outside of their specific specialty doctors aren't typically any brighter than the average member of any other profession either.

Actually I have reallybad news for you-- public health and the mechanics of vaccination are two of the things that lie outside of the aforementioned specific specialties.  A disturbingly large number of doctors aren't vaccinated either.  I mean... more of them than the general population, but akin to other slices of the population likely to have had personal experiences with the death toll, which means there are a surprising number of idiotic holdouts.

You should... probably not put medical professionals up on that pedestal, that kind of uninformed thinking is how you end up with morons like the Pauls or Ben Carson in positions of power in our government.


Or maybe the doctors know more about vaccines than you do.  Remind us again, where did you get your medical degree.

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2021-09-28 12:58:25 AM  

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Good news is, lots of places are hiring


Accurate.
 
2021-09-28 1:15:36 AM  

RogermcAllen: Jim_Callahan: Picklehead: After reading about nurses who refuse to get vaccinated I will never see nurses the same again. I thought they were smarter than to refuse to get vaccinated. At least the registered nurses.

... I've got bad news for you, outside of their specific specialty doctors aren't typically any brighter than the average member of any other profession either.

Actually I have reallybad news for you-- public health and the mechanics of vaccination are two of the things that lie outside of the aforementioned specific specialties.  A disturbingly large number of doctors aren't vaccinated either.  I mean... more of them than the general population, but akin to other slices of the population likely to have had personal experiences with the death toll, which means there are a surprising number of idiotic holdouts.

You should... probably not put medical professionals up on that pedestal, that kind of uninformed thinking is how you end up with morons like the Pauls or Ben Carson in positions of power in our government.

Or maybe the doctors know more about vaccines than you do.  Remind us again, where did you get your medical degree.

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2021-09-28 1:47:02 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Picklehead: After reading about nurses who refuse to get vaccinated I will never see nurses the same again. I thought they were smarter than to refuse to get vaccinated. At least the registered nurses.

... I've got bad news for you, outside of their specific specialty doctors aren't typically any brighter than the average member of any other profession either.

Actually I have reallybad news for you-- public health and the mechanics of vaccination are two of the things that lie outside of the aforementioned specific specialties.  A disturbingly large number of doctors aren't vaccinated either.  I mean... more of them than the general population, but akin to other slices of the population likely to have had personal experiences with the death toll, which means there are a surprising number of idiotic holdouts.

You should... probably not put medical professionals up on that pedestal, that kind of uninformed thinking is how you end up with morons like the Pauls or Ben Carson in positions of power in our government.


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2021-09-28 1:55:02 AM  

Picklehead: After reading about nurses who refuse to get vaccinated I will never see nurses the same again. I thought they were smarter than to refuse to get vaccinated. At least the registered nurses.


I have another one for you:

White people voted for Trump at well over a 50% rate. White women voted for Trump at 55%. Never look at white people the same again. Over half of them are hateful whackos.
 
2021-09-28 2:13:34 AM  

cretinbob: It's not as many medical staff as it is the care staff. CNAs are not known to be the smartest people.
I was one, I know them.


The whole many/much thing supports your comment. 😁
 
2021-09-28 2:13:59 AM  
But seriously, dude needs to shut up and jam.
 
2021-09-28 2:18:28 AM  
I think this means something profound might be about to drop

/maybe even by Friday
 
2021-09-28 2:24:59 AM  

Be polite walk on the right: I think this means something profound might be about to drop

/maybe even by Friday


I shall poop. Before Friday!
 
2021-09-28 2:52:09 AM  

puffy999: SoupGuru: Thank God someone is calling this bluff.

I honestly can't believe the media and discourse in this country... This is the farking stupidest bullshiat ever but we're all talking about it like not getting a vaccine is a legitimate serious position that serious people can have.

No.

It's farking stupid.

The media is God damned complicit - liberal but ESPECIALLY conservative - and frankly there need to be lawsuits to break up the conglomerates.

After THIS?? it has to be done.
Our country won't survive many more decades of "well, we have this victim of rape and we have her rapist, the rapist gets even more time to speak and both of their sides are equally valid" bullshiat.


I saw an amazingly smart observation on, of all things, the Bill Maher show. He had a guy discussing exactly what it is about social media, as implemented, that makes it social cancer:

The only thing their recommendation algorithms care about is how many clicks, replies and refreshes your post gets. And guess what? The worst kind of shiatposting and negativity will ALWAYS win by that metric.

And worst of all, there is absolutely no way to beat it. Because if you try to shout it down, guess what? You still added to the clicks, replies and refreshes.

Imagine that on Slashdot, the top post was the one with the most mods, period.

And you're absolutely, positively correct: society cannot withstand this much longer.
 
2021-09-28 2:55:49 AM  

Palined Parenthood: cretinbob: It's not as many medical staff as it is the care staff. CNAs are not known to be the smartest people.
I was one, I know them.

The whole many/much thing supports your comment. 😁


there may be marijuanas involved

Medical staff is doctors and healthcare is pretty much everyone else.
Plus, they are all just people and we all know how bad people suck.
 
2021-09-28 2:58:48 AM  

erik-k: I saw an amazingly smart observation on, of all things, the Bill Maher show. He had a guy discussing exactly what it is about social media, as implemented, that makes it social cancer:

The only thing their recommendation algorithms care about is how many clicks, replies and refreshes your post gets. And guess what? The worst kind of shiatposting and negativity will ALWAYS win by that metric


It all starts from the same poor premises, which predate even the world wide web: money and ratings/purchase stats are all that matter, and there's no such thing as bad publicity.
 
2021-09-28 5:14:14 AM  

Picklehead: After reading about nurses who refuse to get vaccinated I will never see nurses the same again. I thought they were smarter than to refuse to get vaccinated. At least the registered nurses.


Tell me you have never worked with nurses without saying you have never worked with nurses.

There are some really smart ones.  But they are far out numbered by the dumb ones.
 
2021-09-28 5:42:03 AM  

NotARocketScientist: They won't need many. Some previous article said that only 2% of those who threatened to quit actually did so.


Fire them all anyways.
 
2021-09-28 5:51:27 AM  

SoupGuru: Thank God someone is calling this bluff.

I honestly can't believe the media and discourse in this country... This is the farking stupidest bullshiat ever but we're all talking about it like not getting a vaccine is a legitimate serious position that serious people can have.

No.

It's farking stupid.


Stupid farking people have eroded our ability to have a strong position on anything over the years. Now people think "considering all sides" is some kind of damn virtue. It's a new American philosophy that only hateful morons get to believe anything with all their heart, whereas decent people must be malleable and spend 50% of their time bleating about the rights of ignorant people to be ignorant.
 
2021-09-28 6:00:36 AM  

WillJM8528: SoupGuru: Thank God someone is calling this bluff.

I honestly can't believe the media and discourse in this country... This is the farking stupidest bullshiat ever but we're all talking about it like not getting a vaccine is a legitimate serious position that serious people can have.

No.

It's farking stupid.

Stupid farking people have eroded our ability to have a strong position on anything over the years. Now people think "considering all sides" is some kind of damn virtue. It's a new American philosophy that only hateful morons get to believe anything with all their heart, whereas decent people must be malleable and spend 50% of their time bleating about the rights of ignorant people to be ignorant.


That's the propaganda we were fed while the Republicans were also taught to fight for what they believe, cheat, break the rules, ANYTHING to win.

I'm sure the fact that one side was conditioned to fight and one side conditioned to roll over was just an accident.
 
2021-09-28 6:36:41 AM  

cretinbob: Picklehead: After reading about nurses who refuse to get vaccinated I will never see nurses the same again. I thought they were smarter than to refuse to get vaccinated. At least the registered nurses.

They are not
There are some, but they got vaccinated
But yeah, there are plenty of garbage nurses


I used to think that brain surgeons were the smartest people in the world.  Until we met Ben Carson.

I've come to find that the ability to remember enough to pass tests, and earn certain certifications should not exactly be the measure of intelligence.
 
2021-09-28 7:57:08 AM  

Picklehead: After reading about nurses who refuse to get vaccinated I will never see nurses the same again. I thought they were smarter than to refuse to get vaccinated. At least the registered nurses.


My favorite help desk ticket of all time was from a nurse who was mad that a vendor's product would let her pick the 30th of every month except February.

She went full Karen on me when I told her there was no 30th of February and demand that I fix it or be fired. The most maddening part was the boss taking her side: "what'll it take to fix this?"  "Call the f*cking Pope," I told him. That got through to him. "Just make it go away," he said.

I sat on the ticket for three months then asked her to try again, "everything's working now!" Close ticket.
 
2021-09-28 8:02:42 AM  
Good. I hope they all get a blot on their license.
 
2021-09-28 8:08:11 AM  
If you don't want the vaccine just find something new!
 
2021-09-28 8:42:18 AM  
Interviewer:  Why did you leave your last job?
CNA:  They mandated I get vaccinated or not be able to work there and I refused to get vaccinated.
Interviewer:  Annnnnnd we're done here.

___

Hopefully they become ineligible for unemployment as they are voluntarily quitting their jobs.
 
2021-09-28 9:01:14 AM  

durbnpoisn: cretinbob: Picklehead: After reading about nurses who refuse to get vaccinated I will never see nurses the same again. I thought they were smarter than to refuse to get vaccinated. At least the registered nurses.

They are not
There are some, but they got vaccinated
But yeah, there are plenty of garbage nurses

I used to think that brain surgeons were the smartest people in the world.  Until we met Ben Carson.

I've come to find that the ability to remember enough to pass tests, and earn certain certifications should not exactly be the measure of intelligence.


Just keep in mind that an idiot savant is still an idiot.

//I feel kinda bad because the term refers to clinically mentally deficient, not the willfully ignorant.
//But it works too well in this case to ignore.
 
2021-09-28 9:05:01 AM  

rubi_con_man: Good. I hope they all get a blot on their license.


What difference does it make? They can't work in health care unless they are vaccinated. The license is useless if they are going to abandon the entire field.

My wife worked with some nurses who claimed they were going to quit over this, but it didn't take long to figure out that they would be running a cash register for $15/hr if they quit. I should mention, however, that a lot of nurses quit even before the mandates because they couldn't take the stress anymore. Many of the nurses are in therapy for PTSD these days.
 
2021-09-28 9:46:48 AM  
Curious to know if people get fired for refusing to get vaccinated, then get vaccinated a week into unemployment, can they easily get their old job back? I imagine their feelings on the vaccine will change after a week or two without a paycheck.
 
2021-09-28 9:59:55 AM  

wademh: The world is a strange place. Antivax is wrong. It's antiscience. But people are complex. Some good people think odd things. Be careful about how you judge people. I don't understand how an otherwise intelligent person can be antivax and yet, some are and are still caring people. It confuses me.


You aren't dealing with knowledge with these people. You're dealing with belief. Despite all evidence to the contrary, they believe that the vaccine is a violation of their rights, untested, microchipping, mind controlling, scary juice. No amount of information can fight belief, because the person with the belief needs to want to let go of that belief and change. Belief is quick and easy. Knowledge takes time and effort.
 
2021-09-28 12:48:04 PM  
So she's going to call up the NY national guard to cover staff shortages of medical professionals.

The NY national guard, which is made up of New Yorkers, to cover medical professional shortages - in New York.

Meaning she's going to be taking an RN or CNA or MD or PA from one hospital, putting that person in another to cover a staffing shortage, and somehow the hospital that person got taken from, that is already short staffed, isn't going to be even more short staffed?
 
2021-09-28 4:24:16 PM  
so far only one MA State Police has quit.  They may be stupid, but they aren't that stupid.
 
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