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(PBS)   L.A. officials: Look, I know you all were really gung-ho about this whole "defund the police" thing, but we've been thinking and had another idea you might really like. How about we just give them a lot more money, instead? Would that work for you?   (pbs.org) divider line
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2021-09-27 4:09:55 PM  
Literally the opposite
 
2021-09-27 4:41:21 PM  
"Defund the police" was always misleading.

"Rearrange police funding" was always what it meant.

Less focus on war toys; more training, oversight, and accountability.
 
2021-09-27 8:29:13 PM  
You can't defund the police until alternatives for services the police are now expected to provide can be found. Los Angeles, and many other cities, seem to be moving in that direction, but it's going to take time to figure out who can provide those alternatives and under what circumstances those alternatives are appropriate. The police still carry the biggest burden when it comes to solving social problems.
 
2021-09-27 8:30:55 PM  
Nobody ever accused the left of being good at messaging or marching in lockstep
 
2021-09-27 8:31:29 PM  
Thank Jebus that Saint Ronnie Ray-gun gutted the mental health budgets back in the 80s.

*wipes tear from eye*

That man was truly a leader.
 
2021-09-27 8:32:12 PM  

CruiserTwelve: You can't defund the police until alternatives for services the police are now expected to provide can be found. Los Angeles, and many other cities, seem to be moving in that direction, but it's going to take time to figure out who can provide those alternatives and under what circumstances those alternatives are appropriate. The police still carry the biggest burden when it comes to solving social problems.


shiat, a reasonably decent take from C12.  

Next thing we'll actually get an admission that maybe cops should be subject to psychological screening and bullies-with-badges should get the boot
 
2021-09-27 8:32:20 PM  
How 'bout this...

Settlements over abuses and use of force come out of the department's budget directly, after it comes out of the pay and accrued benefits of the officers involved, not insurance or the city general fund, ever. Even better, if the FOP union has a problem with that, they can cover the shortfall themselves.

Then talk about funding levels.
 
2021-09-27 8:32:39 PM  
Amid a budget crisis late last year, the city considered laying off nearly 1,000 officers. But as crime rose and federal pandemic relief funds came in, the mayor increased the Los Angeles Police Department's (LAPD) budget 3% in April. And the new head of the civilian oversight board said last month that the city needed more officers amid a surge in homicides.

The inhumanity.
 
2021-09-27 8:32:43 PM  
The people who criticize the motto "Defund the police" are intentionally obtuse.
 
2021-09-27 8:33:46 PM  

koder: "Defund the police" was always misleading.

"Rearrange police funding" was always what it meant.

Less focus on war toys; more training, oversight, and accountability.


Yeah, cops don't really need the ridiculous expense of maintaining an MRAP. That's only one example.
 
2021-09-27 8:34:49 PM  

koder: "Defund the police" was always misleading.

"Rearrange police funding" was always what it meant.

Less focus on war toys; more training, oversight, and accountability.


shiat, I'd be happy with just more officers. The police are stretched ridiculously thin, and that means they're not spending time on training or getting to know their communities, they're working insane schedules and doing the work of several people. ACAB, and a lot of them end up that way because of years of being treated like shiat.
 
2021-09-27 8:34:58 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: The people who criticize the motto "Defund the police" are intentionally obtuse.


People who defend the motto "Defund the police" are intentionally trying to torpedo needed police reform and can fark right off.
 
2021-09-27 8:38:10 PM  

zbtop: How 'bout this...

Settlements over abuses and use of force come out of the department's budget directly, after it comes out of the pay and accrued benefits of the officers involved, not insurance or the city general fund, ever. Even better, if the FOP union has a problem with that, they can cover the shortfall themselves.

Then talk about funding levels.


Also an addendum, the city must be the ultimate owner and retainer of bodycam footage, not the department itself where they can do whatever they want with it (and have).
 
2021-09-27 8:38:32 PM  

Shaggy_C: koder: "Defund the police" was always misleading.

"Rearrange police funding" was always what it meant.

Less focus on war toys; more training, oversight, and accountability.

shiat, I'd be happy with just more officers. The police are stretched ridiculously thin, and that means they're not spending time on training or getting to know their communities, they're working insane schedules and doing the work of several people. ACAB, and a lot of them end up that way because of years of being treated like shiat.


More cops....no thanks.
 
2021-09-27 8:41:37 PM  
Defunding the police is the compromise.

koder: "Defund the police" was always misleading.

"Rearrange police funding" was always what it meant.

Less focus on war toys; more training, oversight, and accountability.


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"Reform the police" means "Let's just give the police more money than they already have".

"Reform the police" presumes the problems with policing are subconscious when they're actually conscious.

"Reform the police" still buys into the "few bad apples" mentality instead of examining the "orchards" that produce the "apples".

TofuTheAlmighty: The people who criticize the motto "Defund the police" are intentionally obtuse.


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In 2016, only 27% of Americans said they supported the Black Lives Matter movement. But they pushed back against the pressure to make their message "more palatable", and now, most Americans are willing to say they support Black Lives Matter.
 
2021-09-27 8:41:49 PM  
Hey if that extra money is for more training, accountability, counseling, and social workers, okay.

It's probably to buy more tear gas and armored vehicles ain't it
 
2021-09-27 8:41:57 PM  

koder: "Defund the police" was always misleading.

"Rearrange police funding" was always what it meant.

Less focus on war toys; more training, oversight, and accountability.


Most importantly, community partnerships.

Instead of paying a general duty officer to be part of a mental health intervention team.  Have one of the team be a reg nurse, or psych nurse who is payed by the force.
 
2021-09-27 8:44:24 PM  

Kazan: TofuTheAlmighty: The people who criticize the motto "Defund the police" are intentionally obtuse.

People who defend the motto "Defund the police" are intentionally trying to torpedo needed police reform and can fark right off.


People who are echoing Tucker Carlson's concerns about "Defund The Police" can fark right off.
 
2021-09-27 8:48:21 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: The people who criticize the motto "Defund the police" are intentionally obtuse.


We already have one austerity101...
 
2021-09-27 8:48:36 PM  
How about higher education requirements for cops?  How about serious vetting and regular psych evaluations?  How about actually training them instead of the half-assed BS that often passes for it these days?  How about if you are going to let them carry firearms that you make sure they are actually both highly proficient in how and when to use and NOT to use them?  How about not making cops the catch-all for every situation?  And how about holding them to a higher accountability standard that's commensurate with their elevated power?  I'm all for paying cops more and giving them more support if we get really good ones out of it, but right now there is nothing that more money is going to help make better.
 
2021-09-27 8:49:14 PM  
Remember watching those farking pigs try their hardest to beat Rodney King into non-existence?

They haven't changed in the decades since.
 
2021-09-27 8:50:20 PM  

Kazan: CruiserTwelve: You can't defund the police until alternatives for services the police are now expected to provide can be found. Los Angeles, and many other cities, seem to be moving in that direction, but it's going to take time to figure out who can provide those alternatives and under what circumstances those alternatives are appropriate. The police still carry the biggest burden when it comes to solving social problems.

shiat, a reasonably decent take from C12.  

Next thing we'll actually get an admission that maybe cops should be subject to psychological screening and bullies-with-badges should get the boot


My introduction to police training: went to college, 3 maybe it was 4 years in, then was back home for a holiday.  At a party with some old high school buddies. A neighbor of one of my friends, a guy from school we didn't particularly like but he was always around 'cause he lived next door (jock, motorhead) was talking about having gone through the police academy.  He said the best part was that they started you out in county jail duty.  He said they told him to never take any shiat, always show them who's "boss" and that you could just start wailing on the incarcerated for any reason and never get into trouble.  He couldn't wait to get "into the field."

I suspect this training attitude is prevalent across the country.
 
2021-09-27 8:51:29 PM  

zbtop: How 'bout this...

Settlements over abuses and use of force come out of the department's budget directly, after it comes out of the pay and accrued benefits of the officers involved, not insurance or the city general fund, ever. Even better, if the FOP union has a problem with that, they can cover the shortfall themselves.

Then talk about funding levels.


As long as personal liability is also required for individual police officers.

Or as I like to say, "bust a deal, face the wheel."

I just made that up. Prove me wrong.
 
2021-09-27 8:51:36 PM  

CruiserTwelve: You can't defund the police until alternatives for services the police are now expected to provide can be found. Los Angeles, and many other cities, seem to be moving in that direction, but it's going to take time to figure out who can provide those alternatives and under what circumstances those alternatives are appropriate. The police still carry the biggest burden when it comes to solving social problems.


There are, but the police fight tooth and nail to stop them. A local version of Eugene's very successful (and economical) CAHOOTS program is dying in Portland because the cops work hard to make sure that Dispatch doesn't route calls to them, that the PPB and FOP trash and slander them, and that lobbying money goes to making sure the programs stay small and starving.

Meanwhile the local cops stamped their precious little feet, cried their darling little eyes out, and threw an epic tantrum at small cuts during the height of the COVID epidemic when everyone was facing furloughs and budget cuts. They completely eliminated traffic enforcement - demonstrably the unit that was the least racist and saved lives - and gave the money to the late night goon squad. When I was a witness at a serious accident that required transportation to the hospital the ambulance showed up. The fire department showed up. Both of them did their jobs. The farking Filth sauntered by more than 20 minutes later, refused to get out of their car, refused to take a report, said "Our responsibility ends if insurance information has been exchanged" and rolled up their windows. fark 'em every one.
 
2021-09-27 8:52:41 PM  

face bacon: koder: "Defund the police" was always misleading.

"Rearrange police funding" was always what it meant.

Less focus on war toys; more training, oversight, and accountability.

Most importantly, community partnerships.

Instead of paying a general duty officer to be part of a mental health intervention team.  Have one of the team be a reg nurse, or psych nurse who is payed by the force.


Community partnership means "a few photo ops with Articulate and Clean dark-skinned people with relatives on the police force".
 
2021-09-27 8:57:57 PM  
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2021-09-27 8:59:31 PM  
Abolish the police ACAB
 
2021-09-27 8:59:53 PM  

NathanAllen: Remember watching those farking pigs try their hardest to beat Rodney King into non-existence?

They haven't changed in the decades since.


And think about just how "lucky" we were to see that back then.  It's not like now where cameras are everywhere with everyone.  That was just freakin' crazy luck that it was caught not only by someone with a camcorder, but with a pretty good one which gave the world a fairly clear view of a terrible act.  30 years later the same shiat is still happening.
 
2021-09-27 9:02:21 PM  
The only way this works is if they use the extra budget for more bullets and start shooting at each other.
 
2021-09-27 9:12:39 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: Defunding the police is the compromise.

koder: "Defund the police" was always misleading.

"Rearrange police funding" was always what it meant.

Less focus on war toys; more training, oversight, and accountability.

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"Reform the police" means "Let's just give the police more money than they already have".

"Reform the police" presumes the problems with policing are subconscious when they're actually conscious.

"Reform the police" still buys into the "few bad apples" mentality instead of examining the "orchards" that produce the "apples".

TofuTheAlmighty: The people who criticize the motto "Defund the police" are intentionally obtuse.

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In 2016, only 27% of Americans said they supported the Black Lives Matter movement. But they pushed back against the pressure to make their message "more palatable", and now, most Americans are willing to say they support Black Lives Matter.


So, no traffic laws?  Voluntary compliance?  Biggest SUV wins?   Wheelies and dirt bikes in traffic?   You just let every Asian shopkeeper know that being accosted is acceptable now.  Let's drop DUI laws as well.   We saw someone die when he just wanted to dive off drunk.

Also, open carry everywhere.   Imagine the benefits of police just letting people resolve their own disputes.  Taking guns away.. why that's not going to help POC, anyway.   Decriminalize ALL drugs and no sin taxes.  Someone died over "loosies", just let anyone sell tobacco and alcohol.

Let's apply that to vaccine mandates and masks as well.  Less laws means less police.

I'm all in favor of something that means I'll never have to hear one of my black friends get a "DWB" stop, but they're also in favor of keeping their children safe as well.
 
2021-09-27 9:14:01 PM  
Unlike the fire department, the police are one of the "Keys" that the would-be-ruler must have the support of if they want to rule.  Which is why they always get more money, just like the military and the banks.  Paying them takes priority over accomplishing anything.

See: The Dictator's Handbook
 
2021-09-27 9:16:05 PM  

hammettman: Kazan: CruiserTwelve: You can't defund the police until alternatives for services the police are now expected to provide can be found. Los Angeles, and many other cities, seem to be moving in that direction, but it's going to take time to figure out who can provide those alternatives and under what circumstances those alternatives are appropriate. The police still carry the biggest burden when it comes to solving social problems.

shiat, a reasonably decent take from C12.  

Next thing we'll actually get an admission that maybe cops should be subject to psychological screening and bullies-with-badges should get the boot

My introduction to police training: went to college, 3 maybe it was 4 years in, then was back home for a holiday.  At a party with some old high school buddies. A neighbor of one of my friends, a guy from school we didn't particularly like but he was always around 'cause he lived next door (jock, motorhead) was talking about having gone through the police academy.  He said the best part was that they started you out in county jail duty.  He said they told him to never take any shiat, always show them who's "boss" and that you could just start wailing on the incarcerated for any reason and never get into trouble.  He couldn't wait to get "into the field."

I suspect this training attitude is prevalent across the country.


Google "killology"
 
2021-09-27 9:20:06 PM  

SavageWombat: Unlike the fire department, the police are one of the "Keys" that the would-be-ruler must have the support of if they want to rule.  Which is why they always get more money, just like the military and the banks.  Paying them takes priority over accomplishing anything.

See: The Dictator's Handbook


American rulership runs on votes.
 
2021-09-27 9:20:07 PM  
Good to know the fascists have won.
 
2021-09-27 9:21:01 PM  

Uncontrolled_Jibe: Bith Set Me Up: Defunding the police is the compromise.

koder: "Defund the police" was always misleading.

"Rearrange police funding" was always what it meant.

Less focus on war toys; more training, oversight, and accountability.

[Fark user image 599x381]

[Fark user image 599x353]

[Fark user image 599x410]

"Reform the police" means "Let's just give the police more money than they already have".

"Reform the police" presumes the problems with policing are subconscious when they're actually conscious.

"Reform the police" still buys into the "few bad apples" mentality instead of examining the "orchards" that produce the "apples".

TofuTheAlmighty: The people who criticize the motto "Defund the police" are intentionally obtuse.

[Fark user image 480x347]

In 2016, only 27% of Americans said they supported the Black Lives Matter movement. But they pushed back against the pressure to make their message "more palatable", and now, most Americans are willing to say they support Black Lives Matter.

So, no traffic laws?  Voluntary compliance?  Biggest SUV wins?   Wheelies and dirt bikes in traffic?   You just let every Asian shopkeeper know that being accosted is acceptable now.  Let's drop DUI laws as well.   We saw someone die when he just wanted to dive off drunk.

Also, open carry everywhere.   Imagine the benefits of police just letting people resolve their own disputes.  Taking guns away.. why that's not going to help POC, anyway.   Decriminalize ALL drugs and no sin taxes.  Someone died over "loosies", just let anyone sell tobacco and alcohol.

Let's apply that to vaccine mandates and masks as well.  Less laws means less police.

I'm all in favor of something that means I'll never have to hear one of my black friends get a "DWB" stop, but they're also in favor of keeping their children safe as well.



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"Defunding the police absolutely does not mean that we eliminate all cops and just succumb to 'The Purge'. Instead, it's about moving away from a narrow conception of Public Safety that relies on policing and punishment, and investing in a community's actual safety net. Things like stable housing, mental health services and community organizations.

The concept is that the role of the police can then significantly shrink, because they are not responding to the homeless, or to mental health calls, or arresting children in schools. Or really any other situation where the best solution is not someone showing up with a gun. That is the idea behind 'Defund The Police', if you actually listen to it."

Also, back in 2019, the NYPD had a slowdown to protest the firing of Eric Garner's killer, and instead of pandemonium ensuing, the opposite occurred as crime decreased dramatically. And they were so humiliated their temper tantrum didn't work out like they'd hoped that they stopped their slowdown sooner than they'd planned.

https://newrepublic.com/article/15489​5​/new-york-police-slowdown-backfiring
 
2021-09-27 9:27:18 PM  
Why doesn't anyone ever finish the sentence "a few bad apples spoil the bunch"

That's the whole point. You can't just say "there were a few bad apples" among your police force, without also acknowledging the effect they have on the rest of your force.

The bunch is spoiled.
 
2021-09-27 9:28:49 PM  
CruiserTwelve:

The police still carry the biggest burden when it comes to solving social problems.

They are frequently the root cause behind many of those same social problems.
 
2021-09-27 9:31:42 PM  

koder: "Defund the police" was always misleading.

"Rearrange police funding" was always what it meant.

Less focus on war toys; more training, oversight, and accountability.


It wasn't misleading. People deliberately misinterpred it. Don't whitewash.
 
2021-09-27 9:32:52 PM  

Uncontrolled_Jibe: Bith Set Me Up: Defunding the police is the compromise.

koder: "Defund the police" was always misleading.

"Rearrange police funding" was always what it meant.

Less focus on war toys; more training, oversight, and accountability.

[Fark user image 599x381]

[Fark user image 599x353]

[Fark user image 599x410]

"Reform the police" means "Let's just give the police more money than they already have".

"Reform the police" presumes the problems with policing are subconscious when they're actually conscious.

"Reform the police" still buys into the "few bad apples" mentality instead of examining the "orchards" that produce the "apples".

TofuTheAlmighty: The people who criticize the motto "Defund the police" are intentionally obtuse.

[Fark user image 480x347]

In 2016, only 27% of Americans said they supported the Black Lives Matter movement. But they pushed back against the pressure to make their message "more palatable", and now, most Americans are willing to say they support Black Lives Matter.

So, no traffic laws?  Voluntary compliance?  Biggest SUV wins?   Wheelies and dirt bikes in traffic?   You just let every Asian shopkeeper know that being accosted is acceptable now.  Let's drop DUI laws as well.   We saw someone die when he just wanted to dive off drunk.

Also, open carry everywhere.   Imagine the benefits of police just letting people resolve their own disputes.  Taking guns away.. why that's not going to help POC, anyway.   Decriminalize ALL drugs and no sin taxes.  Someone died over "loosies", just let anyone sell tobacco and alcohol.

Let's apply that to vaccine mandates and masks as well.  Less laws means less police.

I'm all in favor of something that means I'll never have to hear one of my black friends get a "DWB" stop, but they're also in favor of keeping their children safe as well.


The f*ck is wrong with you? Nothing about your response makes any sense. Did you mean to leave it on Facebook?
 
2021-09-27 9:34:09 PM  
Are any cities lowering police budgets? A year of the biggest protests the world has seen, and even "liberal" cities ignored their cries. Shameful.
 
2021-09-27 9:34:47 PM  

Kazan: CruiserTwelve: You can't defund the police until alternatives for services the police are now expected to provide can be found. Los Angeles, and many other cities, seem to be moving in that direction, but it's going to take time to figure out who can provide those alternatives and under what circumstances those alternatives are appropriate. The police still carry the biggest burden when it comes to solving social problems.

shiat, a reasonably decent take from C12.  

Next thing we'll actually get an admission that maybe cops should be subject to psychological screening and bullies-with-badges should get the boot


Bullcrap! You and C12 both know perfectly well that large chunks of police funding go to buying machines of war that no municipal police force has any goddam business deploying against civilians!

A police force that can afford surplus military APC's and the like has too much goddam money to burn!
 
2021-09-27 9:43:24 PM  

koder: "Defund the police" was always misleading.

"Rearrange police funding" was always what it meant.

Less focus on war toys; more training, oversight, and accountability.


It's fewer focus.


/beer is involved
 
2021-09-27 9:49:46 PM  

austerity101: koder: "Defund the police" was always misleading.

"Rearrange police funding" was always what it meant.

Less focus on war toys; more training, oversight, and accountability.

It wasn't misleading. People deliberately misinterpred it. Don't whitewash.


This. ANYTHING we come up with will be twisted by authoritarians; that's kinda what they do.

As it stands, the current American police system is irreparable. The corruption, brutality and bigotry are baked in, and have been since the system was formed from slavecatchers. The 'barrel' is full of rotten, stinking apple-mush, and any 'good apples' that end up in there aren't good for long.

For farks sake, there are multiple police departments outright refusing to obey lawful mask/vaccination mandates, and the people making the orders just shrug their shoulders and allow it. The only people watching the goddamn watchmen are BLM and other anti-fascist groups, and they're constantly demonized and brutalized.

There IS no reforming this. There is only defunding while working to tear down and replace the whole rotten structure.
 
2021-09-27 9:55:43 PM  

NathanAllen: Remember watching those farking pigs try their hardest to beat Rodney King into non-existence?

They haven't changed in the decades since.


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2021-09-27 9:58:31 PM  

anuran: face bacon: koder: "Defund the police" was always misleading.

"Rearrange police funding" was always what it meant.

Less focus on war toys; more training, oversight, and accountability.

Most importantly, community partnerships.

Instead of paying a general duty officer to be part of a mental health intervention team.  Have one of the team be a reg nurse, or psych nurse who is payed by the force.

Community partnership means "a few photo ops with Articulate and Clean dark-skinned people with relatives on the police force".


Well that was a ridiculous response.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

My experience suggests otherwise
 
2021-09-27 10:00:08 PM  

NathanAllen: Remember watching those farking pigs try their hardest to beat Rodney King into non-existence?

They haven't changed in the decades since.


Yes they have. Now they're much better at killing people.

Rodney would never have made it out alive today. He would have been dead before the end of the encounter.
 
2021-09-27 10:03:45 PM  

koder: "Defund the police" was always misleading.

"Rearrange police funding" was always what it meant.

Less focus on war toys; more training, oversight, and accountability.


Yeah. Plus the fact is the Military trains soldiers to use military hardware. The police do not.
New video shows federal police holding tear gas launchers, rolling stinger grenade at protesters
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2021-09-27 10:30:49 PM  

zbtop: How 'bout this...

Settlements over abuses and use of force come out of the department's budget directly, after it comes out of the pay and accrued benefits of the officers involved, not insurance or the city general fund, ever. Even better, if the FOP union has a problem with that, they can cover the shortfall themselves.


Then what you get is police who sit around take calls, and conspicuously do nothing even in the face of egregious crime.

I've got a friend in Portland. A tad more progressive than me. About a month ago in his neighborhood one of those "would have been locked up in an insane asylum in the 1950s" types, was loose chasing people around with a samurai sword. Police were called. They came. They saw the guy. (Note: insane dude was white.)

The PPB cops then proceeded to whine that they'd be yelled at if they did anything about the situation. Then complained about the local DA (the liberal one who only prosecutes people for violent offenses) , lying that he wouldn't prosecute. Basically a great big pity party. I also know a kid who is a hospital security guard in Portland. He says that unlike in the suburbs, the PPB has a reputation for not even taking in violent offenders. (Hospitals get a lot of druggies that will do anything for meds.) What they do have a reputation for doing is resisting body cameras and getting Covid shots.

I do agree that police departments do need some TLC, but even more than that, they need professionalization, including removing all their ability to form unions, and having mandatory state and federal oversight.

But even that won't help in states like Texas and Florida, for obvious reasons.
 
2021-09-27 10:34:13 PM  

Kazan: TofuTheAlmighty: The people who criticize the motto "Defund the police" are intentionally obtuse.

People who defend the motto "Defund the police" are intentionally trying to torpedo needed police reform and can fark right off.


no reform was going to happen dumbass, cops will keep murdering people and people like you will cry and do nothing about it. Sandy hook didn't do a damn thing, George floyd didn't either
 
2021-09-27 10:56:52 PM  

Kazan: CruiserTwelve: You can't defund the police until alternatives for services the police are now expected to provide can be found. Los Angeles, and many other cities, seem to be moving in that direction, but it's going to take time to figure out who can provide those alternatives and under what circumstances those alternatives are appropriate. The police still carry the biggest burden when it comes to solving social problems.

shiat, a reasonably decent take from C12.  

Next thing we'll actually get an admission that maybe cops should be subject to psychological screening and bullies-with-badges should get the boot


That would mean removing the vast, VAST majority of cops anyway./
 
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