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(TwinCities.com)   MNDOT isn't calling it a design flaw, but admit it might be confusing that the left exit goes right, the center lane goes left, and continuing straight requires a right exit followed by a reverse 180 and some more rights   (twincities.com) divider line
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2021-09-27 9:53:39 AM  
Metro exit/entrances were designed to break our spirits.
 
2021-09-27 9:57:47 AM  
It's about 52 in St. Paul.

*Clicks link*

Nailed it!
 
2021-09-27 10:09:59 AM  
What a shiatshow. Yes, it is a flawed design. I'm not too sympathetic with the "but but but my computer model" excuse for this shiat. I'm glad they're working to remedy this at least with signage which can indeed make a huge difference. But... a backed up highway middle lane flanked by mostly empty lanes is HORRIBLE. You just know people are going to swing out of the center lane to try to get ahead and get nailed.
 
2021-09-27 10:55:53 AM  
 
2021-09-27 11:24:13 AM  
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2021-09-27 11:25:14 AM  
There's an interstate split like that in Tennessee, I think.

You're heading north on a 4-lane highway, and the 2 lanes that eventually go to the right start off by going to the left, and vice versa.  Back in the pre-GPS days, when all you had was printed maps, you can imagine how confusing that would be.
 
2021-09-27 11:25:15 AM  
Cool, they put some signs up

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2021-09-27 11:25:17 AM  

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Curse my slow Googling fingers!
 
2021-09-27 11:26:07 AM  

b0rscht: What a shiatshow. Yes, it is a flawed design. I'm not too sympathetic with the "but but but my computer model" excuse for this shiat. I'm glad they're working to remedy this at least with signage which can indeed make a huge difference. But... a backed up highway middle lane flanked by mostly empty lanes is HORRIBLE. You just know people are going to swing out of the center lane to try to get ahead and get nailed.


Or if you want to get from the left to the right it's suicide as well. You have to slam on your brakes, merge into traffic that's barely moving which is fraught with peril, and then exit as you said into a fast moving lane.
 
2021-09-27 11:26:08 AM  
Subbies flaw? Linking a Paywall.
 
2021-09-27 11:26:34 AM  
And I thought our obsession in New Jersey to go right in order to turn left was bad! (Jughandles)
 
2021-09-27 11:26:52 AM  
their computer models were caught unawares when problems started.

In other words: we knew it would be a shiatshow the whole time, but nobody wants to own it.
 
2021-09-27 11:28:06 AM  
Johnny Cash - The One On The Right Is On The Left
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2021-09-27 11:29:12 AM  
The signs also contain, as many highway signs do, road designations not commonly used by locals, such as U.S. 10 (I-94) and Minnesota Highway 5 (West and East Seventh Street).

I find Google Maps does this sort of thing constantly. It'll refer to a street or highway using some weird never-used designation. They don't realize that the road name they use need to match the signs a driver is looking at.
 
2021-09-27 11:29:26 AM  

FrancoFile: There's an interstate split like that in Tennessee, I think.

You're heading north on a 4-lane highway, and the 2 lanes that eventually go to the right start off by going to the left, and vice versa.  Back in the pre-GPS days, when all you had was printed maps, you can imagine how confusing that would be.


Nashville has a million three way freeway interchanges and most of they split right goes right left goes left but at least one of them the lanes cross each other so right goes left and left goes right.
 
2021-09-27 11:33:18 AM  
Dammit, there's one of those bad-sign headaches heading north into Chicago on I-94.

Sign says only leftmost lane is north to Wisconsin, and so tons of people in second-from-left lane brake/stop, put on blinker, and try to get over, clogging things up.

It turns out, a couple miles later, the TWO leftmost lanes are clear-through heading north (won't shunt you off to St. Louis), so all those lane changes weren't necessary.

I tried an e-mail correspondence with IL DOT about it, but couldn't convince 'em, etc. Gah!
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2021-09-27 11:35:27 AM  
Is that why the Seahawks couldn't find the end zone yesterday?
 
2021-09-27 11:35:36 AM  
It's a metaphor of life.
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2021-09-27 11:36:18 AM  
Hmm... it's almost like DC didn't destroy Dave Thomas circle so much as they uprooted it and shipped it to Minnesota for some reason.
 
2021-09-27 11:37:08 AM  

Diabolic: It's a metaphor of life.
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I see what you did there:

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2021-09-27 11:38:05 AM  
12349876 -Nashville has a million three way freeway interchanges and most of they split right goes right left goes left but at least one of them the lanes cross each other so right goes left and left goes right.

Yep. Always loved circling Nashville and also loved trying to get around the construction when they changed up the western I-24 connection. Then there is Briley... which is always fun...

But, if you MNDOT folks want to feel a bit better, please head on down to Raleigh, NC. After a few days dealing with those designs, you won't feel so bad.

/still miss Raleigh badly
//it has changed a lot since I left, but still has some of the most interesting intersections in the world
///oh... GO PACK!
 
2021-09-27 11:39:11 AM  
Pffffft. Welcome to Winnipeg
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2021-09-27 11:40:43 AM  

payattention: 12349876 -Nashville has a million three way freeway interchanges and most of they split right goes right left goes left but at least one of them the lanes cross each other so right goes left and left goes right.

Yep. Always loved circling Nashville and also loved trying to get around the construction when they changed up the western I-24 connection. Then there is Briley... which is always fun...

But, if you MNDOT folks want to feel a bit better, please head on down to Raleigh, NC. After a few days dealing with those designs, you won't feel so bad.

/still miss Raleigh badly
//it has changed a lot since I left, but still has some of the most interesting intersections in the world
///oh... GO PACK!


A lot of interchanges in the cities show up in civil engineering manuals as examples of "What not to do"
 
2021-09-27 11:41:39 AM  
Atlanta has a couple of those insanities.
 
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2021-09-27 11:42:01 AM  
There's never been enough room there for a proper interchange. Heading north on 52 (It's still 3 to me, dammit), once the freeway crosses the river, it needs to make a right over Shepard and meet 94 near the Mounds Boulevard overpass.
 
2021-09-27 11:43:20 AM  
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2021-09-27 11:43:58 AM  
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What the actual f*CK is this crap, apparently a diverging diamond and a roundabout had hate-sex while on drugs and this is the kid.
 
2021-09-27 11:44:35 AM  
These, and other improvements, were refined and tested by the Institute for Pinning the Tail on the Donkey
 
2021-09-27 11:47:11 AM  

Russ1642: The signs also contain, as many highway signs do, road designations not commonly used by locals, such as U.S. 10 (I-94) and Minnesota Highway 5 (West and East Seventh Street).

I find Google Maps does this sort of thing constantly. It'll refer to a street or highway using some weird never-used designation. They don't realize that the road name they use need to match the signs a driver is looking at.


Yes, google, if it's an interstate, call it by the interstate, not some local celebrity-honoring highway designation that happens to run concurrent for a few miles.

And stop sending me on unpaved "shortcuts" when I'm driving an RV. Just because you track the local farmers flying down those roads in their 4x4 pickups doesn't mean it's going to be a quick and easy ride for the rest of us.
 
2021-09-27 11:47:38 AM  

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What the actual f*CK is this crap, apparently a diverging diamond and a roundabout had hate-sex while on drugs and this is the kid.


I hope that designer got some kind of award fot that monstrosity.

A participation trophy, actually.
 
2021-09-27 11:48:56 AM  
From the same geniuses that encourage drivers to go all the way to the barrels before merging then wondered why traffic got way worse at work zones.
 
2021-09-27 11:52:33 AM  

A Cave Geek: payattention: 12349876 -Nashville has a million three way freeway interchanges and most of they split right goes right left goes left but at least one of them the lanes cross each other so right goes left and left goes right.

Yep. Always loved circling Nashville and also loved trying to get around the construction when they changed up the western I-24 connection. Then there is Briley... which is always fun...

But, if you MNDOT folks want to feel a bit better, please head on down to Raleigh, NC. After a few days dealing with those designs, you won't feel so bad.

/still miss Raleigh badly
//it has changed a lot since I left, but still has some of the most interesting intersections in the world
///oh... GO PACK!

A lot of interchanges in the cities show up in civil engineering manuals as examples of "What not to do"


"building an urban freeway" among them.  When that starts sounding smart, it's time to look at why local traffic isn't using other options like carpooling, transit, or bicycling instead and fix those infrastructure problems first.
 
2021-09-27 11:53:05 AM  

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What the actual f*CK is this crap, apparently a diverging diamond and a roundabout had hate-sex while on drugs and this is the kid.


What in St Louis Missouri is that?
 
2021-09-27 11:54:52 AM  

Baloo Uriza: From the same geniuses that encourage drivers to go all the way to the barrels before merging then wondered why traffic got way worse at work zones.


MN transplants: Minnesota drivers don't understand how to drive! They're always going the speed limit in the far left lane, slower than the next lane over!

MNDOT: How would you folks like some more left-hand freeway exits and on-ramps?
 
2021-09-27 11:56:24 AM  

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What the actual f*CK is this crap, apparently a diverging diamond and a roundabout had hate-sex while on drugs and this is the kid.


Looks pretty error proof.  I'd probably make the southbound left turn a free turn by making the exit from the roundabout one lane with the free turn getting its own lane to prevent backups onto the highway or the roundabout, but I'm not seeing anything here that screams like it'd be confusing when driving it.
 
2021-09-27 11:57:12 AM  
Never been a fan of that bridge.
 
2021-09-27 11:57:23 AM  

slantsix: Pffffft. Welcome to Winnipeg[Fark user image 425x318]


Are you kidding? I fine that extremely easy to follow.
 
2021-09-27 11:57:59 AM  
A&M grads find work in Minnesota. We love the left highway exit in Texas.
 
2021-09-27 12:01:51 PM  

pearls before swine: Russ1642: The signs also contain, as many highway signs do, road designations not commonly used by locals, such as U.S. 10 (I-94) and Minnesota Highway 5 (West and East Seventh Street).

I find Google Maps does this sort of thing constantly. It'll refer to a street or highway using some weird never-used designation. They don't realize that the road name they use need to match the signs a driver is looking at.

Yes, google, if it's an interstate, call it by the interstate, not some local celebrity-honoring highway designation that happens to run concurrent for a few miles.

And stop sending me on unpaved "shortcuts" when I'm driving an RV. Just because you track the local farmers flying down those roads in their 4x4 pickups doesn't mean it's going to be a quick and easy ride for the rest of us.


Try Osmand or Magic Earth or the Rand McNally app instead.  Trying to use Google Maps as a map is like trying to use the map in the front of the Yellow Pages as a street atlas.  OpenStreetMap actually has good map data, Google Maps is mostly doesn't, because it's not really a map so much as a geocoded Yellow Pages.
 
2021-09-27 12:03:05 PM  

lincoln65: Baloo Uriza: From the same geniuses that encourage drivers to go all the way to the barrels before merging then wondered why traffic got way worse at work zones.

MN transplants: Minnesota drivers don't understand how to drive! They're always going the speed limit in the far left lane, slower than the next lane over!

MNDOT: How would you folks like some more left-hand freeway exits and on-ramps?


That's not specific to Minnesota.  That's pretty much everywhere.  LA, Portland, San Diego, Tulsa... They all have a lot of left exits and onramps.
 
2021-09-27 12:04:23 PM  

Russ1642: b0rscht: What a shiatshow. Yes, it is a flawed design. I'm not too sympathetic with the "but but but my computer model" excuse for this shiat. I'm glad they're working to remedy this at least with signage which can indeed make a huge difference. But... a backed up highway middle lane flanked by mostly empty lanes is HORRIBLE. You just know people are going to swing out of the center lane to try to get ahead and get nailed.

Or if you want to get from the left to the right it's suicide as well. You have to slam on your brakes, merge into traffic that's barely moving which is fraught with peril, and then exit as you said into a fast moving lane.


Take whatever exit you're in the lane for, go around the block, and try again.
 
2021-09-27 12:05:11 PM  

Baloo Uriza: pearls before swine: Russ1642: The signs also contain, as many highway signs do, road designations not commonly used by locals, such as U.S. 10 (I-94) and Minnesota Highway 5 (West and East Seventh Street).

I find Google Maps does this sort of thing constantly. It'll refer to a street or highway using some weird never-used designation. They don't realize that the road name they use need to match the signs a driver is looking at.

Yes, google, if it's an interstate, call it by the interstate, not some local celebrity-honoring highway designation that happens to run concurrent for a few miles.

And stop sending me on unpaved "shortcuts" when I'm driving an RV. Just because you track the local farmers flying down those roads in their 4x4 pickups doesn't mean it's going to be a quick and easy ride for the rest of us.

Try Osmand or Magic Earth or the Rand McNally app instead.  Trying to use Google Maps as a map is like trying to use the map in the front of the Yellow Pages as a street atlas.  OpenStreetMap actually has good map data, Google Maps is mostly doesn't, because it's not really a map so much as a geocoded Yellow Pages.


I'm finding that I like Apple Maps better than ever.

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2021-09-27 12:06:26 PM  

ThomasPaineTrain: It's about 52 in St. Paul.

*Clicks link*

Nailed it!


You're good at 52-pickup.
 
2021-09-27 12:08:15 PM  
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2021-09-27 12:11:11 PM  

GrizzledVeteran: Dammit, there's one of those bad-sign headaches heading north into Chicago on I-94.

Sign says only leftmost lane is north to Wisconsin, and so tons of people in second-from-left lane brake/stop, put on blinker, and try to get over, clogging things up.

It turns out, a couple miles later, the TWO leftmost lanes are clear-through heading north (won't shunt you off to St. Louis), so all those lane changes weren't necessary.

I tried an e-mail correspondence with IL DOT about it, but couldn't convince 'em, etc. Gah!
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Ah yes, i'm familiar with that cluster...
 
2021-09-27 12:13:36 PM  

bigdog1960: A&M grads find work in Minnesota. We love the left highway exit in Texas.


That explains the interchange near Easterwood airport....
Another fine "Why on earth are we going left, diagonally through the opposing lane?" intersection right there...
 
2021-09-27 12:13:55 PM  
Why is everyone already merged.  Usually when traffic is backed up it's most efficient to merge at the last minute.
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https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/5​5​4936/why-jerk-drivers-who-merge-last-m​inute-are-actually-more-efficient
 
2021-09-27 12:15:00 PM  
 
2021-09-27 12:19:17 PM  
They just rebuilt that bridge! what is everyone complaining about?

/I remember holding my breath going over it after it was rated the worst bridge in MN shortly after the 35W collapse.
//It's bad, sure, but it's better than it was.  I've seen much worse designs.
///we've gone from horrible to just bad.
 
2021-09-27 12:22:03 PM  
They will have to reroute traffic through NJ while the $327M it takes to correct this are spent.
 
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