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2021-09-27 9:50:34 AM  
Don't they have a strategic oil reserve?  Granted, the UK doesn't have anywhere near the oil refining capacity that the US does, and once it's refined into gasoline it has a shelf life.  But still, if it's a momentary issue fueled, no pun intended, by panic that seems like the way to increase the supply.

I get the logistical issues... but frankly, Brexit was a mistake.
 
2021-09-27 9:54:59 AM  
If only there existed an English word for schadenfreude.  Oh wait...

"on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."

There it is: schadenfreude.
 
2021-09-27 10:01:20 AM  
can they just give all the truckers blue passports?  seems to be what the end game was all along for some stupid reason.

of course here we would either shoot the trucks or threaten the depot administrator.  maybe both.
 
2021-09-27 11:05:48 AM  
Do we have any bold, white knights to ride in and tell us how this is really a good thing for Britain?
 
2021-09-27 11:09:40 AM  
This is really a good thing for Britain.
 
2021-09-27 11:40:49 AM  
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2021-09-27 12:23:08 PM  

electricjebus: Don't they have a strategic oil reserve?  Granted, the UK doesn't have anywhere near the oil refining capacity that the US does, and once it's refined into gasoline it has a shelf life.  But still, if it's a momentary issue fueled, no pun intended, by panic that seems like the way to increase the supply.

I get the logistical issues... but frankly, Brexit was a mistake.


There's no shortage of petrol. It's the drivers that deliver the petrol to the petrol stations. The same shortage the US has.
 
2021-09-27 12:23:56 PM  

The Sophian Church: Do we have any bold, white knights to ride in and tell us how this is really a good thing for Britain?


Who would try to claim that? It's a pain.

But it's also nothing to do with Brexit....
 
2021-09-27 12:32:47 PM  

electricjebus: Don't they have a strategic oil reserve?  Granted, the UK doesn't have anywhere near the oil refining capacity that the US does, and once it's refined into gasoline it has a shelf life.  But still, if it's a momentary issue fueled, no pun intended, by panic that seems like the way to increase the supply.

I get the logistical issues... but frankly, Brexit was a mistake.


They do.  It is in the North Sea.
 
2021-09-27 12:54:02 PM  
He said allowing the industry to share information would mean companies could work together more effectively to minimise disruption. " Kwasi Kwarteng - Business Secretary

/ competition v. cooperation

" On Saturday, the government announced it would offer temporary visas, lasting until Christmas Eve, to 5,000 foreign fuel tanker and food lorry drivers and 5,500 poultry workers in a bid to limit disruption in the build up to Christmas.

/ this is what it's all about - x-mas quarter rents
 
2021-09-27 12:56:01 PM  
a nation of shop keepers before brexit
a nation of shop keepers after brexit.

// I thought I'd read something about David Ricardo's law of economic rent
/// I am disappoint
 
2021-09-27 1:14:06 PM  

budawold: a nation of shop keepers before brexit
a nation of shop keepers after brexit.

// I thought I'd read something about David Ricardo's law of economic rent
/// I am disappoint


You're really going to quote a failed French fascist?
 
2021-09-27 1:53:10 PM  

Daer21: budawold: a nation of shop keepers before brexit
a nation of shop keepers after brexit.


// I thought I'd read something about David Ricardo's law of economic rent
/// I am disappoint

You're really going to quote a failed French fascist?


Sorreee. The rest still stands.
 
2021-09-27 2:08:31 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: There's no shortage of petrol. It's the drivers that deliver the petrol to the petrol stations. The same shortage the US has.


It's amazing how the rich are shooting themselves in the junk here. You pay people badly and look down at them socially for doing blue collar work. Then, you have a shortage of people going into blue collar work. You fill this gap with immigrants.

Then, because the EU asks the rich to pay more in taxes, you whip up nationalism and separate, cutting off all those immigrants that did the blue collar work because you pay so badly and because you socially denigrate labor.

Now you have no truck drivers and so you can't even get petrol to the stations. Nobody wants to be a truck driver either. Well. You played yourself.
 
2021-09-27 2:41:22 PM  

adamatari: Carter Pewterschmidt: There's no shortage of petrol. It's the drivers that deliver the petrol to the petrol stations. The same shortage the US has.

It's amazing how the rich are shooting themselves in the junk here. You pay people badly and look down at them socially for doing blue collar work. Then, you have a shortage of people going into blue collar work. You fill this gap with immigrants.

Then, because the EU asks the rich to pay more in taxes, you whip up nationalism and separate, cutting off all those immigrants that did the blue collar work because you pay so badly and because you socially denigrate labor.

Now you have no truck drivers and so you can't even get petrol to the stations. Nobody wants to be a truck driver either. Well. You played yourself.


Where did the EU ask the rich to pay more tax? Tax was one of the areas the EU doesn't control and is left to national governments.

/In theory. They ordered Ireland to tax Apple more by classing their tax as "state aid" which is something they control.
 
2021-09-27 3:02:47 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: The Sophian Church: Do we have any bold, white knights to ride in and tell us how this is really a good thing for Britain?

Who would try to claim that? It's a pain.

But it's also nothing to do with Brexit....


Look, Baghdad Bob, you're not going to find a respectable paper anywhere in the UK that doesn't acknowledge Brexit's partial role in every shortage (including human) that the country is experiencing. So seriously, stop trying to gaslight us (and yes, that is what you're doing, whether you acknowledge it or not, and don't trouble yourself to argue about that) because we're not having it. This is what you wanted, so farking own it. I'm sure it will all more-or-less work out after the disruptions have settled, so there's no sense getting all riled up about it.
 
2021-09-27 4:24:05 PM  

electricjebus: Don't they have a strategic oil reserve?  Granted, the UK doesn't have anywhere near the oil refining capacity that the US does, and once it's refined into gasoline it has a shelf life.  But still, if it's a momentary issue fueled, no pun intended, by panic that seems like the way to increase the supply.

I get the logistical issues... but frankly, Brexit was a mistake.


They need to get it to a petrol tank for people to be able to purchase it.
 
2021-09-27 4:27:16 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: The Sophian Church: Do we have any bold, white knights to ride in and tell us how this is really a good thing for Britain?

Who would try to claim that? It's a pain.

But it's also nothing to do with Brexit....


That's a lie. You've seen the surveys, and you know part of the problem is drivers leaving because of Brexit.
 
2021-09-27 6:05:07 PM  

pdieten: Look, Baghdad Bob, you're not going to find a respectable paper anywhere in the UK that doesn't acknowledge Brexit's partial role in every shortage (including human) that the country is experiencing. So seriously, stop trying to gaslight us (and yes, that is what you're doing, whether you acknowledge it or not, and don't trouble yourself to argue about that) because we're not having it. This is what you wanted, so farking own it. I'm sure it will all more-or-less work out after the disruptions have settled, so there's no sense getting all riled up about it.


So now the UK media is a trustworthy and accurate source and we cannot doubt it? That's not what Farkers have been telling me for years.
There was another thread where I posted a bunch of links to the exact same issues caused by driver shortages in the US and a Farker said "Well I live here and I know for a fact those reports aren't true".
So I asked them if maybe they should consider that if US media can sensationalise and exaggerate then maybe they should consider that the same could be true about the reports from the UK they read?

They seemed to believe that US reports of driver shortages, product shortages etc are clearly false because the media lies but the same stories they read from the UK must be taken as 100% accurate and true.

The road haulage industry has been claiming/warning about this shortage for years, long before Brexit. The truck driver industry has a high turnover. Every year thousands find other jobs or retire and every year thousands of new drivers replace them. But with Covid all new licencing and tests stopped. No new drivers. Hence shortage.

The BP boss said they had been dealing with this issue for weeks, and yet no one noticed or panicked. It was maybe the odd petrol station her and there being out for a few hours. It happens. Drivers just went to the next station. No panic. No shortage. No crisis.
Until someone leaked that comment from a private meeting with the government to the media with a "OMG! We're going to run out of petrol!" headline and bingo, instant crisis as people started panic buying.

It's the toilet paper shortage all over again.
 
2021-09-27 6:14:29 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: That's a lie. You've seen the surveys, and you know part of the problem is drivers leaving because of Brexit.


So what about the exact same driver shortages in the US then?

And the same shortage, for the same reasons, across Europe?

The International Road Transport Union's 2021 driver shortage survey has indicated that road transport companies expect a 10% rise in driver shortages this year.
In a statement published yesterday, the IRU explained that the coronavirus pandemic saw the shortage of truck drivers in Europe fall significantly in 2020 - from 24% to just 7%.
However, the survey also found that European companies are expecting a 17% shortfall in drivers this year. The 10% increase is on account of the extra demand created from economies across Europe recovering as vaccines allow lockdowns to be relaxed.
"Driver shortage threatens the functioning of road transport, supply chains, trade, the economy, and ultimately employment and citizens' welfare. This is not an issue that can wait, action needs to be taken now," said IRU Secretary General Umberto de Pretto.
According to the IRU, survey respondents cited a lack of trained drivers as the main cause in all regions (38% of the total respondents). Challenging working conditions, further exacerbated by the pandemic, and difficulties attracting women and young people to the profession were also mentioned.
The percentage of truck drivers under 25 fell nearly everywhere in 2020 and is down to 5% in Europe. The average age of drivers is increasing globally too, a trend the IRU has referred to as a "demographic time bomb" that will only get worse without action.
Last October, the IRU called on governments to make it easier for young adults to become lorry drivers.  However, there are a number of barriers to entry that remain for those hoping to join the profession.
In this article we published following that IRU statement, a number of UK-based lorry drivers said that low pay, high training and insurance costs, as well as a lack of future prospects, make the position of lorry driver less attractive.


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These claims originate from the road haulage industry. Do you not consider that they have a very strong vested interest in getting the government to allow as much cheap labour in as possible so their members can keep pay low?

In all the Fark threads about these shortages the common response is "Pay more you assholes!". But when it comes to the UK the response is "Let in more cheap foreign labour so employers can keep wages low!".
 
2021-09-27 7:05:00 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Ketchuponsteak:


Brevits.
 
2021-09-27 7:09:40 PM  
maybe stick to something like knitting
and blow the season off. Maybe turkey
 
2021-09-27 8:02:41 PM  

SansNeural: Carter Pewterschmidt: Ketchuponsteak:

Brevits.


Facts. They're called facts.
 
2021-09-27 8:27:02 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Ketchuponsteak: That's a lie. You've seen the surveys, and you know part of the problem is drivers leaving because of Brexit.

So what about the exact same driver shortages in the US then?

And the same shortage, for the same reasons, across Europe?

The International Road Transport Union's 2021 driver shortage survey has indicated that road transport companies expect a 10% rise in driver shortages this year.
In a statement published yesterday, the IRU explained that the coronavirus pandemic saw the shortage of truck drivers in Europe fall significantly in 2020 - from 24% to just 7%.
However, the survey also found that European companies are expecting a 17% shortfall in drivers this year. The 10% increase is on account of the extra demand created from economies across Europe recovering as vaccines allow lockdowns to be relaxed.
"Driver shortage threatens the functioning of road transport, supply chains, trade, the economy, and ultimately employment and citizens' welfare. This is not an issue that can wait, action needs to be taken now," said IRU Secretary General Umberto de Pretto.
According to the IRU, survey respondents cited a lack of trained drivers as the main cause in all regions (38% of the total respondents). Challenging working conditions, further exacerbated by the pandemic, and difficulties attracting women and young people to the profession were also mentioned.
The percentage of truck drivers under 25 fell nearly everywhere in 2020 and is down to 5% in Europe. The average age of drivers is increasing globally too, a trend the IRU has referred to as a "demographic time bomb" that will only get worse without action.
Last October, the IRU called on governments to make it easier for young adults to become lorry drivers.  However, there are a number of barriers to entry that remain for those hoping to join the profession.
In this article we published following that IRU statement, a number of UK-based lorry drivers said that low pay, high training and insurance costs, as well as a lack of future prospects, make the position of lorry driver less attractive.

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These claims originate from the road haulage industry. Do you not consider that they have a very strong vested interest in getting the government to allow as much cheap labour in as possible so their members can keep pay low?

In all the Fark threads about these shortages the common response is "Pay more you assholes!". But when it comes to the UK the response is "Let in more cheap foreign labour so employers can keep wages low!".


What about it?

Has Brexit caused a higher lack of drivers in the UK?

The answer is yes, yes it has. It's really that simple.
 
2021-09-27 8:27:58 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: SansNeural: Carter Pewterschmidt: Ketchuponsteak:

Brevits.

Facts. They're called facts.


The Earth is round, fact.

Does your facts matter? No.
 
2021-09-27 8:51:57 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: What about it?

Has Brexit caused a higher lack of drivers in the UK?

The answer is yes, yes it has. It's really that simple.


Then why is Poland far shorter of drivers?

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Surely all the ones who left the UK would be there, right?

And Germany is close behind us, with Ukraine either well below or far more depending on such a huge spread. Per capita Sweden, Belarus, Norway and Denmark aren't that far behind. And don't forget that long before Brexit the RHA was saying the UK was short of 60k truck drivers, so the additional shortage since Brexit and Covid is quite small, and Covid is clearly the more plausible explanation, especially since trucking is a high turnover trade and since the testing and licencing of new truck drivers has been stopped for over a year then clearly there are no new drivers getting their licences to replace the ones who have left.

And are you actually saying that the UK should have more foreign cheap labour so employers can keep wages low and increase profits?

I thought Remainers and Project Fear promised us huge numbers of jobs would be lost and unemployment would soar if we left the EU? Yet now we are short of workers?
 
2021-09-27 8:52:56 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: Does your facts matter? No.


So you admit that facts do not matter to you?

I've been saying that for a few years now.
 
2021-09-27 9:37:22 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Ketchuponsteak: Does your facts matter? No.

So you admit that facts do not matter to you?

I've been saying that for a few years now.


To me?

Not that I know of.

I am calling you a liar, and pointing out that your links are pointless, because you are trying to paint the World as black and white, which it is not.

The liar part is because you seem smart enough to not believe your own narrative.

Well,OK, of course, if you will claim that Brexit did not affect the driver shortage, I'll take it back.
 
2021-09-27 10:09:45 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: To me?

Not that I know of.


You're the one who went on and on about how the UK would starve if Denmark didn't agree to carry on selling us food.

You do know that Danish bacon isn't that great, right? It's like McDonalds, lots of marketing but nothing special. We produce bacon here, and import a lot from NZ, and if you want top quality there are a lot of British producers who can serve you.

I explained to you in many many threads that the UK can happily import food from countries around the world, and already does. We can easily survive without Denmark.

Ketchuponsteak: I am calling you a liar, and pointing out that your links are pointless, because you are trying to paint the World as black and white, which it is not.


So you just choose to ignore the fact that the rest of Europe, the USA etc are all having the same shortage of truck drivers and other service staff. That's why McDonalds, Starbucks, Taco Bell etc in the US have had to remove items from their menus.

There are the same supply issues in the US.

McDonalds USA. As the United States and other economies move toward emerging from the COVID-19 pandemic, an increase in demand for food and goods is exacerbating a shortage of servers, retail workers, truckers and delivery drivers. That crunch is causing slow service and menu outages.

Starbucks.
Starbucks memo lists 25 items that could disappear from some stores as the chain struggles to fix supply chain issues

And Taco Bell.
Taco Bell appears to be the latest fast-food joint to get hit by nationwide supply shortages.
The company, headquartered in California, warned customers that it may be out of certain dishes "Due to national ingredient shortages and delivery delays," according to a banner message on its website.

And even American Airlines are having fuel supply issues.
American Airlines on Monday reportedly warned pilots of fuel delivery delays at midsize airports across the country and asked pilots to conserve gas when possible.
American said the industry has experienced supply shortages due to a lack of truck drivers, trucks and fuel supply, CNBC reported.

Or are all those because of Brexit?
 
2021-09-27 10:13:36 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Ketchuponsteak: To me?

Not that I know of.

You're the one who went on and on about how the UK would starve if Denmark didn't agree to carry on selling us food.

You do know that Danish bacon isn't that great, right? It's like McDonalds, lots of marketing but nothing special. We produce bacon here, and import a lot from NZ, and if you want top quality there are a lot of British producers who can serve you.

I explained to you in many many threads that the UK can happily import food from countries around the world, and already does. We can easily survive without Denmark.

Ketchuponsteak: I am calling you a liar, and pointing out that your links are pointless, because you are trying to paint the World as black and white, which it is not.

So you just choose to ignore the fact that the rest of Europe, the USA etc are all having the same shortage of truck drivers and other service staff. That's why McDonalds, Starbucks, Taco Bell etc in the US have had to remove items from their menus.

There are the same supply issues in the US.

McDonalds USA. As the United States and other economies move toward emerging from the COVID-19 pandemic, an increase in demand for food and goods is exacerbating a shortage of servers, retail workers, truckers and delivery drivers. That crunch is causing slow service and menu outages.

Starbucks.
Starbucks memo lists 25 items that could disappear from some stores as the chain struggles to fix supply chain issues

And Taco Bell.
Taco Bell appears to be the latest fast-food joint to get hit by nationwide supply shortages.
The company, headquartered in California, warned customers that it may be out of certain dishes "Due to national ingredient shortages and delivery delays," according to a banner message on its website.

And even American Airlines are having fuel supply issues.
American Airlines on Monday reportedly warned pilots of fuel delivery delays at midsize airports across the country and asked pilots to conserve gas when possible.
American said the industry has experienced supply shortages due to a lack of truck drivers, trucks and fuel supply, CNBC reported.

Or are all those because of Brexit?


The UK lost lorry drivers because of Brexit. Your handwawing won't change that.

I never said you'd starve, just that prices and selection will be negatively affected. You'll import more from Denmark now I expect.
 
2021-09-27 10:45:59 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: The UK lost lorry drivers because of Brexit. Your handwawing won't change that.

I never said you'd starve, just that prices and selection will be negatively affected. You'll import more from Denmark now I expect.


Lol, you really shouldn't bother conversing with C.P.

And by C.P., I of course mean Copy Pasta.  They just regurgitate the same nonsense until someone bites.  Then it's down the circular logic drain.
 
2021-09-28 8:18:44 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: The UK lost lorry drivers because of Brexit. Your handwawing won't change that.


So why are so many other countries short of drivers as well?
 
2021-09-28 8:23:44 AM  

Hawk the Hawk: And by C.P., I of course mean Copy Pasta.  They just regurgitate the same nonsense until someone bites.  Then it's down the circular logic drain.


I post the same things again and again because they're facts. Sorry if that's inconvenient for you or a difficult concept to grasp.

And the reason so few people "bite" is because they cannot argue with the facts. The facts show that they are wrong. It's hardly surprising they just post insults or memes, as you are doing here, instead. If they try to debate the facts they know they can't win.
 
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