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2021-09-26 3:49:32 AM  
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2021-09-26 4:01:35 AM  
Bruce Springsteen unimpressed?
 
2021-09-26 4:35:15 AM  
Sure, but if a gal has an OnlyFans page she gets fired.
 
2021-09-26 4:40:22 AM  

Purple_Urkle: Sure, but if a gal has an OnlyFans page she gets fired.


Just tell your employer that you refuse to install their invasive software, but give them a link to your OnlyFans page as an alternative.
 
2021-09-26 4:44:09 AM  

Remnants of Santa: Just tell your employer that you refuse to install their invasive software


In TFA, companies are sending laptop computers to the workers with the tracking software already installed. The workers must use those laptops.
 
2021-09-26 7:04:56 AM  
So glad I work for adults that recognize my adulthood as well.  That, and my proximity to retirement are the only reasons to stay.

I remember working for jerks and feel bad for anyone trapped by circumstances.
 
2021-09-26 9:43:03 AM  
My boss is pushing for a mandatory webcam at home, the little fascist, and I gave her an incomplete address for when they're mailed out. Don't know how long I can delay things that way.

Also whenever I take a break or go for lunch I unplug the RJ11 work cable from my router completely...I don't know if a company can track your internet movements from your home computer through the router and then through your work VPN but I'm sure they would if they could. Don't need them knowing about my Fark life.
 
2021-09-26 9:47:29 AM  
The weird part is I work for big brother and we don't do this.
 
2021-09-26 9:50:37 AM  

bostonguy: Remnants of Santa: Just tell your employer that you refuse to install their invasive software

In TFA, companies are sending laptop computers to the workers with the tracking software already installed. The workers must use those laptops.


At the same time more companies are telling workers to supply their own laptop.
 
2021-09-26 9:58:11 AM  
meh, welcome to working for the government they have been using keystroke for years along with Skype and now Teams to check and see if you are busy or not.  it is what it is, just don't type anything ever on a work or government computer that might be considered bad and hopefully you don't have a boss that checks the color of your teams dot to determine if you are working or not.
 
2021-09-26 10:01:58 AM  

gopher321: My boss is pushing for a mandatory webcam at home, the little fascist, and I gave her an incomplete address for when they're mailed out. Don't know how long I can delay things that way.

Also whenever I take a break or go for lunch I unplug the RJ11 work cable from my router completely...I don't know if a company can track your internet movements from your home computer through the router and then through your work VPN but I'm sure they would if they could. Don't need them knowing about my Fark life.


I hope you're charging rent + a percentage of internet service + % of electricity
 
2021-09-26 10:12:46 AM  

bostonguy: Remnants of Santa: Just tell your employer that you refuse to install their invasive software

In TFA, companies are sending laptop computers to the workers with the tracking software already installed. The workers must use those laptops.


at the same time, what idiot does work on personally owned laptop (not including digital contractors, etc)  , to begin with?
 
2021-09-26 10:13:43 AM  

mcmnky: bostonguy: Remnants of Santa: Just tell your employer that you refuse to install their invasive software

In TFA, companies are sending laptop computers to the workers with the tracking software already installed. The workers must use those laptops.

At the same time more companies are telling workers to supply their own laptop.


that's insanely stupid for so many reasons of legal/liability/security/etc.
 
2021-09-26 10:23:03 AM  

Leader O'Cola: bostonguy: Remnants of Santa: Just tell your employer that you refuse to install their invasive software

In TFA, companies are sending laptop computers to the workers with the tracking software already installed. The workers must use those laptops.

at the same time, what idiot does work on personally owned laptop (not including digital contractors, etc)  , to begin with?


I would be one of those said idiots.

why?  My company laptop is woefully underpowered to do a lot of things.  Content/media creation in particular.
 
2021-09-26 10:25:35 AM  

Hyjamon: Leader O'Cola: bostonguy: Remnants of Santa: Just tell your employer that you refuse to install their invasive software

In TFA, companies are sending laptop computers to the workers with the tracking software already installed. The workers must use those laptops.

at the same time, what idiot does work on personally owned laptop (not including digital contractors, etc)  , to begin with?

I would be one of those said idiots.

why?  My company laptop is woefully underpowered to do a lot of things.  Content/media creation in particular.


and how will you feel/ what do  if company is ever sued and your laptop is required as part of evidence/discovery?   You won't be getting it back for at least a year, if ever.
 
2021-09-26 10:25:47 AM  

Hyjamon: Leader O'Cola: bostonguy: Remnants of Santa: 
I would be one of those said idiots.

why?  My company laptop is woefully underpowered to do a lot of things.  Content/media creation in particular.


Granted, I have set up a separate window user account to avoid certain things.
 
2021-09-26 10:33:11 AM  

Leader O'Cola: Hyjamon: Leader O'Cola: bostonguy: Remnants of Santa: Just tell your employer that you refuse to install their invasive software

In TFA, companies are sending laptop computers to the workers with the tracking software already installed. The workers must use those laptops.

at the same time, what idiot does work on personally owned laptop (not including digital contractors, etc)  , to begin with?

I would be one of those said idiots.

why?  My company laptop is woefully underpowered to do a lot of things.  Content/media creation in particular.

and how will you feel/ what do  if company is ever sued and your laptop is required as part of evidence/discovery?   You won't be getting it back for at least a year, if ever.


or if you have confidential/proprietary  info/ PII etc  on it and your laptop is stolen?
YOU're liable for all damages there.

if it's the company laptop, they're liable.
 
2021-09-26 10:36:04 AM  

Leader O'Cola: and how will you feel/ what do  if company is ever sued and your laptop is required as part of evidence/discovery?   You won't be getting it back for at least a year, if ever.


never thought about that.  Not sure if my company can be sued (state sovern immunity).

guess my work product would really go down seeing how getting a better laptop would not be an option.  That would kinda suck since I take pride in my powerpoints.

Currently the work laptop has so much monitoring and anti-virus settings that images don't show in fark threads and the links and tags don't show on main pages.
 
2021-09-26 10:39:53 AM  

bostonguy: Remnants of Santa: Just tell your employer that you refuse to install their invasive software

In TFA, companies are sending laptop computers to the workers with the tracking software already installed. The workers must use those laptops.


If you aren't separating your work laptop from your personal computing habits on another device then you're an idiot already. Anything you do on a work device, assume that they are watching
 
2021-09-26 10:44:11 AM  

Leader O'Cola: or if you have confidential/proprietary  info/ PII etc  on it and your laptop is stolen?
YOU're liable for all damages there.

if it's the company laptop, they're liable.


now I am really curious how far this can go

checking work email on personal computer?

connected to company onedrive?

carrying a gradebook around?
 
2021-09-26 10:45:46 AM  
Companies will continue to do this as long as people put up with it. Oh, you need to install a sensor in my cerebrum to make sure I'm thinking only of my work or else you won't pay me? Ok I guess.
 
2021-09-26 10:48:57 AM  
It would solve a lot of problems if you could just trust people
 
2021-09-26 10:53:17 AM  
I'm at the office on a weekend, getting a kick out of these replies.

Oh.. gotta run, my code has finished building.
 
2021-09-26 10:54:59 AM  
There's no justification for this surveillance BS.  And I say that as an employer.  If there's no way to tell if your employees are doing any work without spying on them through a webcam then there's something seriously farked up with your business structure.  Any competent manager knows exactly how productive each of their employees are without needing to monitor their keystrokes.
 
2021-09-26 10:56:32 AM  
I honestly do not care if they install surveillance and send me a nanny cam. Just let me work at home.
 
2021-09-26 11:03:40 AM  

Hyjamon: Leader O'Cola: or if you have confidential/proprietary  info/ PII etc  on it and your laptop is stolen?
YOU're liable for all damages there.

if it's the company laptop, they're liable.

now I am really curious how far this can go

checking work email on personal computer?

connected to company onedrive?

carrying a gradebook around?



at the end of the day, I guess it boils down to how much hassle and risk/liability you want to assume.
if it (data wise)  is work related or owned by work you don't want it on your personal device. period.   that's the safest way you can go.
 
2021-09-26 11:05:14 AM  

vegaswench: I honestly do not care if they install surveillance and send me a nanny cam. Just let me work at home.


that shiat will end after a few times where  somebody's minor/teenage kid has their boyfriend/girlfriend over and they fark on the living room sofa while daddy's work laptop is surreptitiously recording to the corporate cloud (aka MS/google).
 
2021-09-26 11:06:50 AM  

Remnants of Santa: There's no justification for this surveillance BS.  And I say that as an employer.  If there's no way to tell if your employees are doing any work without spying on them through a webcam then there's something seriously farked up with your business structure.  Any competent manager knows exactly how productive each of their employees are without needing to monitor their keystrokes.


how else will mid-level managers get their jollies and whack off  if they can't micromanage/feardrive their cubicle workers?   Time's up took away their ability to harass their female interns .
 
2021-09-26 11:12:14 AM  
I'm not saying that the worst bosses I've ever had were the ones who micromanaged every single tiny, minuscule detail you could possibly imagine and dozens of others you couldn't, but . . . well, fark it. Yes, the worst bosses I've ever had were the ones who micromanaged every single tiny, minuscule detail you could possibly imagine and dozens of others you couldn't
 
2021-09-26 11:13:08 AM  

Leader O'Cola: at the end of the day, I guess it boils down to how much hassle and risk/liability you want to assume.
if it (data wise)  is work related or owned by work you don't want it on your personal device. period.   that's the safest way you can go.


thanks for replying.

I guess I can really become an asshole in the name of data safety.

Most of my email deals with students, which makes the email instantly PII.

I am asked to be at work from 8:30 to 5:30.  I will now leave my work laptop at work for safety.  Means I will be unable to answer emails until the next business day.  Sorry students who have an issue with the online test at 5:35pm on a Friday.
 
2021-09-26 11:15:59 AM  

Hyjamon: Leader O'Cola: at the end of the day, I guess it boils down to how much hassle and risk/liability you want to assume.
if it (data wise)  is work related or owned by work you don't want it on your personal device. period.   that's the safest way you can go.

thanks for replying.

I guess I can really become an asshole in the name of data safety.

Most of my email deals with students, which makes the email instantly PII.

I am asked to be at work from 8:30 to 5:30.  I will now leave my work laptop at work for safety.  Means I will be unable to answer emails until the next business day.  Sorry students who have an issue with the online test at 5:35pm on a Friday.


oh wow, if you deal with students  isn't FERPA at play anyways?   wow if that's true then that's like  you never want info on your personal device  times 911 on steroids
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_​E​ducational_Rights_and_Privacy_Act
 
2021-09-26 11:17:11 AM  
PS, I'd suggest you have a serious conversation with your supervisor about compliance with legal data policies applicable to your institution .   Beyond the law, every organization can have even more strict FERPA / PII policies especially with kids
 
2021-09-26 11:20:07 AM  
disclosure:  IANAL,
but I have worked at 2 places where 3 total incidents occurred due to other colleagues' inability to follow training/policy, our entire email chains, hard drives, etc were seized for cloning  in discrimination/termination related lawsuits  to see if ANYONE was engaging in the alleged behavior.   Not that I did such behavior, but I'm glad I only did work stuff on corporate owned machines.  We didn't get them back in one case for 28 months.
 
2021-09-26 11:20:07 AM  
This thread reads like a compliance training video.
 
2021-09-26 11:21:31 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: This thread reads like a compliance training video.


welcome to 2021.
where everything is always assumed to be possible wrongdoing, guilt, or evidence. !
 
2021-09-26 11:24:45 AM  

Leader O'Cola: Remnants of Santa: There's no justification for this surveillance BS.  And I say that as an employer.  If there's no way to tell if your employees are doing any work without spying on them through a webcam then there's something seriously farked up with your business structure.  Any competent manager knows exactly how productive each of their employees are without needing to monitor their keystrokes.

how else will mid-level managers get their jollies and whack off  if they can't micromanage/feardrive their cubicle workers?   Time's up took away their ability to harass their female interns .


Yeah, there's something really creepy about the whole thing.  I feel sorry for anyone not in a position to tell their employer to fark off.
 
2021-09-26 11:43:18 AM  
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2021-09-26 11:52:41 AM  

Leader O'Cola: oh wow, if you deal with students  isn't FERPA at play anyways?   wow if that's true then that's like  you never want info on your personal device  times 911 on steroids
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_E​ducational_Rights_and_Privacy_Act


FERPA mostly deals with who can request and access student information.  99% of my interaction with it is a parent wanting to know their child's grades, to whit I say nada.

If you really were strict about FERPA then weird things like taking attendance comes into question.  Because if you are asking a class if Student Smith is present, then you just divulged to rest of the class that Student Smith is in the class.

Even telling a parent I cannot tell them their child's grades is revealing the student is enrolled in that course and violating FERPA.

Teachers really don't have much protection at the end.
 
2021-09-26 12:10:09 PM  

Purple_Urkle: Sure, but if a gal has an OnlyFans page she gets fired.


That's mainly because being on OnlyFans while running facial recognition software can cause a lot of problems.
 
2021-09-26 12:22:55 PM  

Remnants of Santa: Purple_Urkle: Sure, but if a gal has an OnlyFans page she gets fired.

That's mainly because being on OnlyFans while running facial recognition software can cause a lot of problems.


Error Log 201: The software keeps detecting Richard Cranium popping in and out of frame every few seconds.
 
2021-09-26 12:38:24 PM  
They do that to me and...
I fark at work

Now, if I get called out on it, I will jump the chain of command, and ask the CFO how the person on payroll is going to do at my job, with already the highest productivity metrics, once I'm gone. Because you got a payroll slot emptying mine, so maybe you want that person to do my job now, or take your chances on hiring off the street someone with those metrics, and KQI, and other buzz words I dgaf about. I'm just doing my job, but please, explain how you justify pulling me away from typing in a box while simultaneously putting out the daily fires this company starts, to be growled at by a micromanager you are paying too much for. You got this job because you're friends with the CEO. We all know this, and your salary is inflated to make the books look legit. I know every dirty trick this company has pulled in the last 25 years, and I've only been here for 20. But do explain why we are having this conversation. I'm listening, you empty suit.


And the bastards still won't fire me.

They just won't. The sunzabritcges.

3 months from social security and the mortgage paid off.

Fark.
 
2021-09-26 1:09:38 PM  
Never use your personal hardware - desktop, laptop, tablet, phone - for business.
If you're on company hardware, always assume that you're being monitored.
If your company attempts to enforce performance quotas based on monitoring, quit.

Originally, this kind of monitoring was supposed to enforce IP security and ethical activity. Using monitoring as a virtual whip should not be tolerated, period. It's worth walking away if it discourages employers from misusing such monitoring.
 
2021-09-26 1:10:25 PM  

vudukungfu: They do that to me and...
I fark at work

Now, if I get called out on it, I will jump the chain of command, and ask the CFO how the person on payroll is going to do at my job, with already the highest productivity metrics, once I'm gone. Because you got a payroll slot emptying mine, so maybe you want that person to do my job now, or take your chances on hiring off the street someone with those metrics, and KQI, and other buzz words I dgaf about. I'm just doing my job, but please, explain how you justify pulling me away from typing in a box while simultaneously putting out the daily fires this company starts, to be growled at by a micromanager you are paying too much for. You got this job because you're friends with the CEO. We all know this, and your salary is inflated to make the books look legit. I know every dirty trick this company has pulled in the last 25 years, and I've only been here for 20. But do explain why we are having this conversation. I'm listening, you empty suit.


And the bastards still won't fire me.

They just won't. The sunzabritcges.

3 months from social security and the mortgage paid off.

Fark.


I just hope they never take away your red stapler.
 
2021-09-26 1:12:50 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: This thread reads like a compliance training video.


Compliance works both ways, though.
 
2021-09-26 1:51:04 PM  

snoopy2zero: vudukungfu: They do that to me and...
I fark at work

Now, if I get called out on it, I will jump the chain of command, and ask the CFO how the person on payroll is going to do at my job, with already the highest productivity metrics, once I'm gone. Because you got a payroll slot emptying mine, so maybe you want that person to do my job now, or take your chances on hiring off the street someone with those metrics, and KQI, and other buzz words I dgaf about. I'm just doing my job, but please, explain how you justify pulling me away from typing in a box while simultaneously putting out the daily fires this company starts, to be growled at by a micromanager you are paying too much for. You got this job because you're friends with the CEO. We all know this, and your salary is inflated to make the books look legit. I know every dirty trick this company has pulled in the last 25 years, and I've only been here for 20. But do explain why we are having this conversation. I'm listening, you empty suit.


And the bastards still won't fire me.

They just won't. The sunzabritcges.

3 months from social security and the mortgage paid off.

Fark.

I just hope they never take away your red stapler.


I was demo in the military
 
2021-09-26 2:51:57 PM  
 
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2021-09-26 3:57:27 PM  
My company uses Hubstaff. Not sure how much of it and on whom, but not (yet) on me.

Should they try, they will find the built in microphone doesn't work too well and the camera seems to be showing notning but black. That's because the laptop is closed & i use an external camera and headset. Which I control.

Alao, I'm an EE, which means I am often away from my desk, in the lab, crimping connectors or reworking boards. Expect that amount of time to increase if you try to monitor my "performance". And then, I'll leave.
 
2021-09-26 4:01:34 PM  

mcmnky: bostonguy: Remnants of Santa: Just tell your employer that you refuse to install their invasive software

In TFA, companies are sending laptop computers to the workers with the tracking software already installed. The workers must use those laptops.

At the same time more companies are telling workers to supply their own laptop.


Seems like that's just asking for trouble.
 
2021-09-26 4:06:04 PM  

gopher321: My boss is pushing for a mandatory webcam at home, the little fascist, and I gave her an incomplete address for when they're mailed out. Don't know how long I can delay things that way.

Also whenever I take a break or go for lunch I unplug the RJ11 work cable from my router completely...I don't know if a company can track your internet movements from your home computer through the router and then through your work VPN but I'm sure they would if they could. Don't need them knowing about my Fark life.


They cannot track one computer from another. And if you're really paranoid, separate your work pc from your home network by setting up a guest wifi network for your work pc.

As to the webcam...tape over the microphone hole and a little vaseline or scotch tape over the lens. They'll see light and dark and motion but it will be out of focus. Sorry, boss, the camera you sent doesn't seem to focus right.
 
2021-09-26 4:14:08 PM  
I may have a piece of post-it note covering the cam on my work laptop. We're not required to keep them on during the day, but given the current state of IT security and monitoring I feel creeped out by someone having the ability to watch me during the day without my knowledge.
 
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