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(Huffington Post)   C'mon, guys... Britney Spears's dad was just looking out for her He was her conservator. It's not like he bugged her bedroom or anything, right? ... Right??   (huffpost.com) divider line
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2021-09-26 4:32:26 AM  
This is what looking out for Britney looks like. Just be caring, and follow your heart. Her dad is an arsehole.

Craig Ferguson's 2007 Monologue About Britney Spears
Youtube 8q9IkntjueE
 
2021-09-26 4:39:59 AM  
Errgh, of course in my hurry I posted the wrong link, although the one I posted isn't terrible. Here's Craig Ferguson's full monologue. It's awesome, and if you've got an alcoholic in your life they should see it too. Alcoholics can receive the help they need. Fark, if I can quit drinking from my extensive daily drinking habit then right off the bat I know most alcoholics can.

Craig Ferguson Speaks From The Heart
Youtube 7ZVWIELHQQY
 
2021-09-26 5:00:04 AM  
You can take the boy out of the trailer park,...
 
2021-09-26 5:12:35 AM  
Will there be videos next?
 
2021-09-26 5:40:45 AM  
No1curr
 
2021-09-26 6:08:01 AM  

Drearyx: No1curr


Too soon, no1curr comment should occur soon after 50th post
 
2021-09-26 6:08:34 AM  

Aussie_As: Errgh, of course in my hurry I posted the wrong link, although the one I posted isn't terrible. Here's Craig Ferguson's full monologue. It's awesome, and if you've got an alcoholic in your life they should see it too. Alcoholics can receive the help they need. Fark, if I can quit drinking from my extensive daily drinking habit then right off the bat I know most alcoholics can.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/7ZVWIELH​QQY]


Röyksopp "The Alcoholic" A Puppet's Tale (finalist)
Youtube QxSIXfYkJVA
 
2021-09-26 6:53:23 AM  

LewDux: Aussie_As: Errgh, of course in my hurry I posted the wrong link, although the one I posted isn't terrible. Here's Craig Ferguson's full monologue. It's awesome, and if you've got an alcoholic in your life they should see it too. Alcoholics can receive the help they need. Fark, if I can quit drinking from my extensive daily drinking habit then right off the bat I know most alcoholics can.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/7ZVWIELH​QQY]

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/QxSIXfYk​JVA?start=2]


Thanks for posting that (not sure your link worked but if you can't see it click 'reply' then copy the link minus the 'start=2' at then end, that worked for me.)

Yeah I never quite hit that point but if I'd gone much longer that would have been me. And yeah, I'm in AA like Craig Ferguson is and it's fantastic. My top tip to AA beginners is that the AA code requires (quite rightly) that each AA group is independent and self-managed, it's not a top-down organisation, so if you hook up with an AA group that isn't for you just keep trying until you find one that's awesome. There's a large variety of groups, and that's entirely part of the big AA plan, so don't write it off if at first you feel you don't fit in.
 
2021-09-26 7:22:28 AM  
I feel like it's well passed "Leave Britney Alone" time and more arrived at "Beat Jamie Spears until candy comes out, then keep going" time
 
2021-09-26 7:30:10 AM  

Aussie_As: LewDux: Aussie_As: Errgh, of course in my hurry I posted the wrong link, although the one I posted isn't terrible. Here's Craig Ferguson's full monologue. It's awesome, and if you've got an alcoholic in your life they should see it too. Alcoholics can receive the help they need. Fark, if I can quit drinking from my extensive daily drinking habit then right off the bat I know most alcoholics can.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/7ZVWIELH​QQY]

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/QxSIXfYk​JVA?start=2]

Thanks for posting that (not sure your link worked but if you can't see it click 'reply' then copy the link minus the 'start=2' at then end, that worked for me.)

Yeah I never quite hit that point but if I'd gone much longer that would have been me. And yeah, I'm in AA like Craig Ferguson is and it's fantastic. My top tip to AA beginners is that the AA code requires (quite rightly) that each AA group is independent and self-managed, it's not a top-down organisation, so if you hook up with an AA group that isn't for you just keep trying until you find one that's awesome. There's a large variety of groups, and that's entirely part of the big AA plan, so don't write it off if at first you feel you don't fit in.


Sounds like the bus is going in the right direction. Don't ever give up. Best of everything to you.
 
2021-09-26 7:31:16 AM  

Aussie_As: LewDux: Aussie_As: Errgh, of course in my hurry I posted the wrong link, although the one I posted isn't terrible. Here's Craig Ferguson's full monologue. It's awesome, and if you've got an alcoholic in your life they should see it too. Alcoholics can receive the help they need. Fark, if I can quit drinking from my extensive daily drinking habit then right off the bat I know most alcoholics can.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/7ZVWIELH​QQY]

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/QxSIXfYk​JVA?start=2]

Thanks for posting that (not sure your link worked but if you can't see it click 'reply' then copy the link minus the 'start=2' at then end, that worked for me.)

Yeah I never quite hit that point but if I'd gone much longer that would have been me. And yeah, I'm in AA like Craig Ferguson is and it's fantastic. My top tip to AA beginners is that the AA code requires (quite rightly) that each AA group is independent and self-managed, it's not a top-down organisation, so if you hook up with an AA group that isn't for you just keep trying until you find one that's awesome. There's a large variety of groups, and that's entirely part of the big AA plan, so don't write it off if at first you feel you don't fit in.


Can I find a themed one that'll let me quit drinking in the company of fellow alcoholic Trekkies?

/ Asking for a friend.
 
2021-09-26 7:32:06 AM  

stoli n coke: You can take the boy out of the trailer park,...


But prying the Krylon-filled Ziploc bag from his hands is a biatch.
 
2021-09-26 7:47:10 AM  
This is swiftly becoming a cable tv movie about an insane father.
 
2021-09-26 9:20:45 AM  

FarkingChas: Will there be videos next?


I'd usually giggle at a joke like that, but none of this Britney business is funny.
 
2021-09-26 9:22:40 AM  
Erin Andrews nods sympathectically.
 
TWX
2021-09-26 9:53:35 AM  
We need new laws governing conservatorship or guardianship of adults.

These laws need to restructure how these artificial situations are evaluated and to require regular, ongoing reevaluation of the subject that has been relegated to this involuntary status, along with a mandate to those operating the artificial situation to specifically work toward the goal of curing whatever created the need to do this to the subject in the first place.  The courts should be very strict with the guardians, scrutinizing and likely challenging all costs borne by the estate of the subject, and forcibly changing guardians when it looks like abuse of the structure or of the subject is occurring.

I have no doubt that Spears did need an intervention.  I also have no doubt that for such an intervention to work it needed to be pretty harsh.  That doesn't mean that it should have been in perpetuity though, and the laws governing these scenarios need to specifically be geared towards restoring the subject to full autonomy as the goal, or as much autonomy as the person can handle if full autonomy cannot be achieved.
 
2021-09-26 11:24:40 AM  
As the child of a pair of alcoholics, I really admire those of you who've confronted your problems and strive to deal with them best you can. Because I never saw that happen up close.
 
2021-09-26 12:16:28 PM  

Make More Hinjews: Aussie_As: LewDux: Aussie_As: Errgh, of course in my hurry I posted the wrong link, although the one I posted isn't terrible. Here's Craig Ferguson's full monologue. It's awesome, and if you've got an alcoholic in your life they should see it too. Alcoholics can receive the help they need. Fark, if I can quit drinking from my extensive daily drinking habit then right off the bat I know most alcoholics can.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/7ZVWIELH​QQY]

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/QxSIXfYk​JVA?start=2]

Thanks for posting that (not sure your link worked but if you can't see it click 'reply' then copy the link minus the 'start=2' at then end, that worked for me.)

Yeah I never quite hit that point but if I'd gone much longer that would have been me. And yeah, I'm in AA like Craig Ferguson is and it's fantastic. My top tip to AA beginners is that the AA code requires (quite rightly) that each AA group is independent and self-managed, it's not a top-down organisation, so if you hook up with an AA group that isn't for you just keep trying until you find one that's awesome. There's a large variety of groups, and that's entirely part of the big AA plan, so don't write it off if at first you feel you don't fit in.

Can I find a themed one that'll let me quit drinking in the company of fellow alcoholic Trekkies?

/ Asking for a friend.


There is one on TF on Tuesday evenings on the TF Discussion tab.  Seem like a welcoming bunch of people.

//Not an alcoholic, but my dad is recovering and reading the posts helps me understand his issues better.
 
2021-09-26 12:25:56 PM  
Fark Britney Speers and fark AA too.
 
2021-09-26 12:57:40 PM  

Wasilla Hillbilly: Fark Britney Speers and fark AA too.


Mr. Spears, you've been warned not to comment publicly until the legal proceedings are finished. Step away from the keyboard and have a juicebox.
 
2021-09-26 2:12:26 PM  

Wasilla Hillbilly: Fark Britney Speers and fark AA too.


What have you got against Alaska Airlin... Oh, nevermind. I see it now.
 
2021-09-26 3:12:43 PM  
"Whatever, the crazy biatch deserved it."

- half the Farkers who show up in these threads
 
2021-09-26 3:21:23 PM  
I've actually seen social media posts defending Jamie Spears, including for bugging his daughter's phone and bedroom, because he was just trying to be a protective father, and it doesn't matter how old she gets, it's still his job..  It's always old creepy white guys who site purity culture.  You know each and every one of them made their daughter do that fake wedding where she promised him to keep her virginity.  You also know each and every one of these "protective" fathers would insist his daughter stay in an abusive relationship if she had married the guy in a church.
 
2021-09-26 3:58:15 PM  
Guardianship: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
Youtube nG2pEffLEJo
 
2021-09-26 5:13:14 PM  

kermit the forg: Make More Hinjews: Aussie_As: LewDux: Aussie_As: Errgh, of course in my hurry I posted the wrong link, although the one I posted isn't terrible. Here's Craig Ferguson's full monologue. It's awesome, and if you've got an alcoholic in your life they should see it too. Alcoholics can receive the help they need. Fark, if I can quit drinking from my extensive daily drinking habit then right off the bat I know most alcoholics can.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/7ZVWIELH​QQY]

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/QxSIXfYk​JVA?start=2]

Thanks for posting that (not sure your link worked but if you can't see it click 'reply' then copy the link minus the 'start=2' at then end, that worked for me.)

Yeah I never quite hit that point but if I'd gone much longer that would have been me. And yeah, I'm in AA like Craig Ferguson is and it's fantastic. My top tip to AA beginners is that the AA code requires (quite rightly) that each AA group is independent and self-managed, it's not a top-down organisation, so if you hook up with an AA group that isn't for you just keep trying until you find one that's awesome. There's a large variety of groups, and that's entirely part of the big AA plan, so don't write it off if at first you feel you don't fit in.

Can I find a themed one that'll let me quit drinking in the company of fellow alcoholic Trekkies?

/ Asking for a friend.

There is one on TF on Tuesday evenings on the TF Discussion tab.  Seem like a welcoming bunch of people.

//Not an alcoholic, but my dad is recovering and reading the posts helps me understand his issues better.


(Have I mentioned I have terrible memory?)
Starsailor - Alcoholic
Youtube UA6C_0ERHww
 
2021-09-26 5:18:06 PM  
 
2021-09-27 12:51:41 AM  
You had sushi yesterday. It's too expensive.

That pisses me off. It's sushi, how expensive can it be? Even if you had to fly in her favorite sushi chef from Japan it's still not going to put a dent in her wealth. Now I'm starting to question her dad's motives.
 
2021-09-27 4:33:30 AM  

psilocyberguy: Aussie_As: LewDux: Aussie_As: Errgh, of course in my hurry I posted the wrong link, although the one I posted isn't terrible. Here's Craig Ferguson's full monologue. It's awesome, and if you've got an alcoholic in your life they should see it too. Alcoholics can receive the help they need. Fark, if I can quit drinking from my extensive daily drinking habit then right off the bat I know most alcoholics can.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/7ZVWIELH​QQY]

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/QxSIXfYk​JVA?start=2]

Thanks for posting that (not sure your link worked but if you can't see it click 'reply' then copy the link minus the 'start=2' at then end, that worked for me.)

Yeah I never quite hit that point but if I'd gone much longer that would have been me. And yeah, I'm in AA like Craig Ferguson is and it's fantastic. My top tip to AA beginners is that the AA code requires (quite rightly) that each AA group is independent and self-managed, it's not a top-down organisation, so if you hook up with an AA group that isn't for you just keep trying until you find one that's awesome. There's a large variety of groups, and that's entirely part of the big AA plan, so don't write it off if at first you feel you don't fit in.

Sounds like the bus is going in the right direction. Don't ever give up. Best of everything to you.


Thanks for the TF, greatly appreciated.
 
2021-09-27 9:51:28 AM  
Because what loving father DOESN'T plant listening devices into their adult daughters bedroom?
 
2021-09-27 12:34:08 PM  

TWX: We need new laws governing conservatorship or guardianship of adults.

These laws need to restructure how these artificial situations are evaluated and to require regular, ongoing reevaluation of the subject that has been relegated to this involuntary status, along with a mandate to those operating the artificial situation to specifically work toward the goal of curing whatever created the need to do this to the subject in the first place.  The courts should be very strict with the guardians, scrutinizing and likely challenging all costs borne by the estate of the subject, and forcibly changing guardians when it looks like abuse of the structure or of the subject is occurring.

I have no doubt that Spears did need an intervention.  I also have no doubt that for such an intervention to work it needed to be pretty harsh.  That doesn't mean that it should have been in perpetuity though, and the laws governing these scenarios need to specifically be geared towards restoring the subject to full autonomy as the goal, or as much autonomy as the person can handle if full autonomy cannot be achieved.


Do we need new laws or do we need to hold people enforcing the laws accountable for their actions?

I watched the show with my daughter and it appeared to me that no matter what was brought up in court, the judge ruled everything in favor of the father. It got to the point where I started thinking the judge was on the father's payroll.

In what world would an unbiased judge think someone is well enough to travel the world, preform shows (work), practices and do media interviews but not well enough to hire their own lawyer?
 
TWX
2021-09-27 1:12:06 PM  

isthisme: TWX: We need new laws governing conservatorship or guardianship of adults.

These laws need to restructure how these artificial situations are evaluated and to require regular, ongoing reevaluation of the subject that has been relegated to this involuntary status, along with a mandate to those operating the artificial situation to specifically work toward the goal of curing whatever created the need to do this to the subject in the first place.  The courts should be very strict with the guardians, scrutinizing and likely challenging all costs borne by the estate of the subject, and forcibly changing guardians when it looks like abuse of the structure or of the subject is occurring.

I have no doubt that Spears did need an intervention.  I also have no doubt that for such an intervention to work it needed to be pretty harsh.  That doesn't mean that it should have been in perpetuity though, and the laws governing these scenarios need to specifically be geared towards restoring the subject to full autonomy as the goal, or as much autonomy as the person can handle if full autonomy cannot be achieved.

Do we need new laws or do we need to hold people enforcing the laws accountable for their actions?

I watched the show with my daughter and it appeared to me that no matter what was brought up in court, the judge ruled everything in favor of the father. It got to the point where I started thinking the judge was on the father's payroll.

In what world would an unbiased judge think someone is well enough to travel the world, preform shows (work), practices and do media interviews but not well enough to hire their own lawyer?


Based on what you said, it looks like we need laws because the judge's actions do not appear to be bounded by laws that would limit the scope of what the individual granted guardianship can do.

If there's ambiguity in the law that basically allows this to happen, then there needs to be changes in the law.  Someone should not be prevented from challenging a ruling of incompetency or other self-harm issue that leads to their losing their rights, and the court should be directed to commit as much effort as possible towards the goal of restoration, not simply maintaining the status-quo of guardianship once established.
 
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