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2021-09-25 11:32:34 PM  
These are the Voyages is by far the worst episode of Enterprise.  Don't bother trying to change my mind because it is literally impossible.
 
2021-09-25 11:51:11 PM  
I could not get through a single episode of that show, and I liked the dude from Quantum Leap as an actor.
 
2021-09-26 12:46:29 AM  
In Discovery when Saru is looking up Star Fleet captains from the past, Archer is mentioned as one of the first.
 
2021-09-26 1:04:59 AM  
"Shades of Gray" is still, quite objectively the worst episode of Star Trek ever.
 
2021-09-26 1:58:30 AM  
Viewers have complained that Archer's behaviour in this episode is childish, that no "trained diplomat" should ever think it was appropriate to bring a dog on a sensitive visit, and that the episode makes the Captain look like an idiot.

Isn't that every episode of Enterprise?
 
2021-09-26 2:27:38 AM  
I gave up on that show from the start with the "Sexy topical decontamination"
 
2021-09-26 2:48:05 AM  

kkinnison: I gave up on that show from the start with the "Sexy topical decontamination"


That show actually had an incredibly gorgeous woman actor, and yet I still found it unwatchable. In my book that is just unforgivable.
 
2021-09-26 6:48:07 AM  

Ghastly: "Shades of Gray" is still, quite objectively the worst episode of Star Trek ever.


I'll give "Shades of Gray" some slack because it was made during the writer's strike. It's mediocre, but not nearly the worst. Just from TNG, "Space Africa" and "Look, We Reversed Gender Roles!" are far worse and even offensive.
 
2021-09-26 6:56:03 AM  

kkinnison: I gave up on that show from the start with the "Sexy topical decontamination"


I gave up after everyone involved acknowledged that all the time travel stuff was getting absurd in Star Trek, and Enterprise was going to be different.

Episode 1: TEMPORAL COLD WAR.

I just.....couldn't do it.
 
2021-09-26 7:31:11 AM  
Maybe it's because I haven't seen it in like 20 years, but I don't remember this episode bothering me all that much. It probably helped that I really liked Phlox
 
2021-09-26 7:41:55 AM  

Ghastly: "Shades of Gray" is still, quite objectively the worst episode of Star Trek ever.


Objection. This exists

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2021-09-26 7:54:04 AM  

spiralscratch: Ghastly: "Shades of Gray" is still, quite objectively the worst episode of Star Trek ever.

I'll give "Shades of Gray" some slack because it was made during the writer's strike. It's mediocre, but not nearly the worst. Just from TNG, "Space Africa" and "Look, We Reversed Gender Roles!" are far worse and even offensive.


Don't forget "Dr. Crusher Farks a Ghost."
 
2021-09-26 7:55:07 AM  
Every series of Star Trek (with one exception) has had at least one abysmal episode per season, often several.  Enterprise was no exception.  But it also had some really outstanding episodes and storylines, so it kind of balanced out as a show in my mind.   'A Night In Sickbay' was like that. Just kind of a middle of the road episode for me.  Not awful, not spectacular, just kind of meh.

Also, who watching the show would think that it was weird that Archer might have some feeling for T'Pol?  Everyone watching the show at the time agreed that she was hot, and she and Archer had a good friendship going.  It would be weird for him NOT to have at least contemplated taking their relationship further.
 
2021-09-26 7:58:12 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Viewers have complained that Archer's behaviour in this episode is childish, that no "trained diplomat" should ever think it was appropriate to bring a dog on a sensitive visit, and that the episode makes the Captain look like an idiot.

Isn't that every episode of Enterprise?


Archer never really measured up to future captains.
 
2021-09-26 8:13:16 AM  

Ghastly: "Shades of Gray" is still, quite objectively the worst episode of Star Trek ever.


I don't even count it as an episode.  It was a clip show.  They were scraping the barrel in order to push something out during the writers' strike.
 
2021-09-26 8:20:03 AM  

ModernLuddite: kkinnison: I gave up on that show from the start with the "Sexy topical decontamination"

I gave up after everyone involved acknowledged that all the time travel stuff was getting absurd in Star Trek, and Enterprise was going to be different.

Episode 1: TEMPORAL COLD WAR.

I just.....couldn't do it.


Aside from the "two nips, third nacelle" incident, it's always the little things they did (and do now) that
destroys my enthusiasm.

I remember reading discussions regarding the designs of the ship, and agreeing with the complaints that
it's design seemed a bit too sleek and anachronistic in that it was an inverted "Akira" class. You would think that it should look a little stubbier, if in being it was a prototype ship it should be along the lines of at least a modified "Daedalus" class.

(Maybe mixing the attributes of the familiar Constitution class to get it to look like the bridge between ship evolution, e.g. the Ambassador vs the Galaxy class)

What I had gotten from the article, was that the producers were a bit of "god these nerds, and their canon, you know they don't have to watch the show if they get hung up on minutia like that."

And I thought to myself "cool, then I won't".

/I think I bailed after "Terra Nova" where radiation made the inhabitants of a lost failed colony stupid.
//All Trek since then are just exercises in missed opportunities, and we peasants should be pleased
if the thrown dart at bare minimum hits the outer edges of the board instead of the wall, as it often does.
///also, never liked the ships' surface being overly "greebled", like it was the Millenium Falcon or some such.
 
2021-09-26 8:27:50 AM  

resident dystopian: ModernLuddite: kkinnison: I gave up on that show from the start with the "Sexy topical decontamination"

I gave up after everyone involved acknowledged that all the time travel stuff was getting absurd in Star Trek, and Enterprise was going to be different.

Episode 1: TEMPORAL COLD WAR.

I just.....couldn't do it.

Aside from the "two nips, third nacelle" incident, it's always the little things they did (and do now) that
destroys my enthusiasm.

I remember reading discussions regarding the designs of the ship, and agreeing with the complaints that
it's design seemed a bit too sleek and anachronistic in that it was an inverted "Akira" class. You would think that it should look a little stubbier, if in being it was a prototype ship it should be along the lines of at least a modified "Daedalus" class.

(Maybe mixing the attributes of the familiar Constitution class to get it to look like the bridge between ship evolution, e.g. the Ambassador vs the Galaxy class)

What I had gotten from the article, was that the producers were a bit of "god these nerds, and their canon, you know they don't have to watch the show if they get hung up on minutia like that."

And I thought to myself "cool, then I won't".

/I think I bailed after "Terra Nova" where radiation made the inhabitants of a lost failed colony stupid.
//All Trek since then are just exercises in missed opportunities, and we peasants should be pleased
if the thrown dart at bare minimum hits the outer edges of the board instead of the wall, as it often does.
///also, never liked the ships' surface being overly "greebled", like it was the Millenium Falcon or some such.


LOL

"If you're going to write a show that is a precursor to a well=known property, you should probably ensure that the technologies you use and the plot lines you set up are consistent with what has been established.  Seeing as how the only reason you are getting paid to do this is to further that property and you're being allowed to ride the coattails of this property to do this, this seems pretty reasonable.  Otherwise, it's going to look stupid."

"No."

"OK, but if the show is stupid, people won't watch it."

"Shut up, nerd!  Where are we with the sexy decontamination scene?!"
 
2021-09-26 8:29:43 AM  

resident dystopian: (Maybe mixing the attributes of the familiar Constitution class to get it to look like the bridge between ship evolution, e.g. the Ambassador vs the Galaxy class)


That was the idea for the NX-01 refit, had the series survived season 4
 
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2021-09-26 8:31:12 AM  

Great_Milenko: Gordon Bennett: Viewers have complained that Archer's behaviour in this episode is childish, that no "trained diplomat" should ever think it was appropriate to bring a dog on a sensitive visit, and that the episode makes the Captain look like an idiot.

Isn't that every episode of Enterprise?

Archer never really measured up to future captains.


I give a little leeway based on the notion that he was the first to really get out there.  Deep exploration wasn't really a thing for Starfleet until they managed Warp 5.  Before then, their efforts were heavily guided by the Vulcans.

That said, makes a little bit of sense to me that whomever they sent out would look pretty weak compared to future captains.  He was really the first from Earth to truly focus on exploration and he was guaranteed to stumble and bumble his way through the galaxy.

From a storytelling aspect, we already know what happens in the future and that kind of defines what a starship captain should look like.  Enterprise, while flawed, suffers most from the audience's knowledge of things to come.  We know there are better captains to come and that puts Archer at an extreme disadvantage.
 
2021-09-26 8:45:36 AM  
This is one of the major reasons I could never get into the series. Archer was just a terrible captain. For all the previous captains, the actors were able to bring a presence to the role that made them believable as a captain. Archer just felt like the guy given the job bc he was the admiral's son.

Like any Quantum Leap fan, I wanted Bakula to succeed in the role but he just didn't. It can't be all blamed on the writing. He just never seemed to fit the role.
 
2021-09-26 8:53:55 AM  

born_yesterday:
"If you're going to write a show that is a precursor to a well=known property, you should probably ensure that the technologies you use and the plot lines you set up are consistent with what has been established.  Seeing as how the only reason you are getting paid to do this is to further that property and you're being allowed t ...

KingBiefWhistle: resident dystopian: (Maybe mixing the attributes of the familiar Constitution class to get it to look like the bridge between ship evolution, e.g. the Ambassador vs the Galaxy class)

That was the idea for the NX-01 refit, had the series survived season 4


I was trying to find the original article that had the conversation with Berman
(still looking, Entertainment Weekly, maybe?) ,but, I did
come across this that you may find interesting.

(if you are not already familiar).


/not to threadjack, but, i am also reminded why the Kelvin-vese "overly Hugenterprise"
ended up being designed the way it was.
//my guess was not wanting to be accused of stealing from the hundreds of Deviant Artists and modelers that came up with way more sensible designs.
 
2021-09-26 9:02:38 AM  

Copperbelly watersnake: This is one of the major reasons I could never get into the series. Archer was just a terrible captain. For all the previous captains, the actors were able to bring a presence to the role that made them believable as a captain. Archer just felt like the guy given the job bc he was the admiral's son.

Like any Quantum Leap fan, I wanted Bakula to succeed in the role but he just didn't. It can't be all blamed on the writing. He just never seemed to fit the role.


The sad thing was, in retrospect, they thought that he would have brought a "Jeffrey Hunter-esque" gravitas to the proceedings.

/if so, why did they write him as a petulant goofball?
//also i can envision the Vulcans to be patronizing and condescending, but,
no to be devious, lying, racists.
// b, bu, buh, but, see, it's a brave new take, a reimaging, or something.
 
2021-09-26 9:19:47 AM  

resident dystopian: also i can envision the Vulcans to be patronizing and condescending, but,
no to be devious, lying, racists.


I liked that part.  Vulcans are strong, smart, and long-lived.  They also have both stronger emotions and a (far) tighter grip on them... but underneath that they're still a product of evolution and are a social species.  Deception, manipulation, and tribalism are all in there.

And we've seen it.  From TOS, we know the Vulcans had a global civil war over whether or not you should have to exercise absolute control over your emotions.  We saw Spock set up to die or go to jail so his finance in his arranged marriage could avoid the arrangement.  We've seen Spock lie to go undercover as a Romulan.  And yes, they looked down their noses at humans.

Vulcans lie, but first and foremost they lie to themselves about how great they are.  Seeing them having categorized the Andorians as dangerous savages - probably with a lot of justification - and acting to monitor and contain them even if that meant a whole lot of deception?  Perfectly Vulcan to me.
 
2021-09-26 9:48:55 AM  
Vulcans lie...

"Vulcans never bluff" was one of the greatest bluffs of all time. It worked, too.
 
2021-09-26 9:57:38 AM  
This Enterprise episode is sometimes accused of having "killed Star Trek

Can't say I've ever heard that before. I didn't think it was that great, but it definitely wasn't that bad either.

"Archer behaves like an idiot, and no trained diplomat should behave the way he does."

I've heard a lot of complaints along these lines, both him and his crew not acting as proper Starfleet officers, but but this was intentional. The franchise was set before the founding of the federation, and before the prime directive. They were inexperienced and lacking any guidance from past, they were basically making it up as they went. The whole point was to show how Starfleet and the Federation evolved into what it is now by learning from their past mistakes.
 
2021-09-26 10:00:23 AM  
What I wish had happened is with the episode Regeneration, where they made the Borg into the feared nightmares they once were.

Let a science team dig up the Borg tech on Earth and get assimilated.  The quasi-Borg then take off and go to warp (in a vessel that used to be a fusion-powered air-breathing cargo plane).  Show the Borg steadily improving their ship over time, grabbing supplies from freighters en route (including spare people for assimilation).

Archer is confidant they can stop these aggressive, but the first encounter has the Borgified cargo plane firing three shots to disable the Enterprise's armor and damage the warp conduits. After-encounter review explains how the Borg were able to figure out the standard energized armor, fire two shots to cause a feedback, and at the precise moment when the armor was weak they shot through the armor to damage the line feeding warp plasma to the engines.  Emphasize that this opponent is smart, technically capable, efficient, and not to be underestimated.

Actual battles soon start, and the Borgified ship is showing that it is much more dangerous than expected.  As time goes by between battles its capabilities actually increase.  People get assimilated, and it would even include 2-3 named characters (no get out of assimilation free).  Phlox might get a minor scrape from an assimilation tubule, and during the episode he has to amputate his finger, then his hand, and finally his entire arm to avoid being assimilated, and even then he has to have massive radiation exposure to destroy the Borg nanites.  The rest of the episode he is speaking from a medtube full of healing gel to try and save his lungs from the radiation exposure, and even then he can only speak occasionally due to the drugs and pain.

The last battle has Enterprise crew doing everything they can.  If they met the survivors of other ships en route, those other survivors are on board helping Enterprise defeat this threat because they understand how dangerous it is.

The final part of this episode has the crew sitting on the bridge in shock/relief that they are alive, then someone mentions detecting a power signal from within the Borg craft's remains.  The Enterprise crew has to pull out one last bit of effort to make sure the last pieces of the Borg craft are dropped into the local star so nothing is left.  This effort causes engine leaks and you get radiation spikes in some engineering spaces, causing more crew to die as a result.

I want this episode to have people tuning in and thinking the entire series is going to end that night.  I want people complaining afterwards that they had a nightmare about the Borg coming for them.  I want the Enterprise crew overwhelmed and realizing just how much they don't know about technology as the Borg casually upgrade their ship using local materials while the Enterprise boarding parties watch in shock:
"okay Captain, this ring setup helps stabilize the antimatter flow.  That stable flow is critical to the engine operation, so if we damage that then the engine will blow itself up"
(while they are talking the gizmo powers itself down, and a Borg drone removes that device for recycling)
"Trip, you were saying"
 
2021-09-26 10:05:15 AM  

Unsung_Hero: resident dystopian: also i can envision the Vulcans to be patronizing and condescending, but,
no to be devious, lying, racists.

I liked that part.  Vulcans are strong, smart, and long-lived.  They also have both stronger emotions and a (far) tighter grip on them... but underneath that they're still a product of evolution and are a social species.  Deception, manipulation, and tribalism are all in there.

And we've seen it.  From TOS, we know the Vulcans had a global civil war over whether or not you should have to exercise absolute control over your emotions.  We saw Spock set up to die or go to jail so his finance in his arranged marriage could avoid the arrangement.  We've seen Spock lie to go undercover as a Romulan.  And yes, they looked down their noses at humans.

Vulcans lie, but first and foremost they lie to themselves about how great they are.  Seeing them having categorized the Andorians as dangerous savages - probably with a lot of justification - and acting to monitor and contain them even if that meant a whole lot of deception?  Perfectly Vulcan to me.


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well, you've won me over, can't argue with that.
 
2021-09-26 10:12:12 AM  
I don't even dislike Enterprise enough to finish reading that.
 
2021-09-26 10:12:22 AM  

Copperbelly watersnake: This is one of the major reasons I could never get into the series. Archer was just a terrible captain. For all the previous captains, the actors were able to bring a presence to the role that made them believable as a captain. Archer just felt like the guy given the job bc he was the admiral's son.

Like any Quantum Leap fan, I wanted Bakula to succeed in the role but he just didn't. It can't be all blamed on the writing. He just never seemed to fit the role.


THIS.
 
2021-09-26 10:13:07 AM  

resident dystopian: well, you've won me over, can't argue with that.


It also helps to realize that our standard for understanding Vulcans is Spock.  He had the same problem they later gave Worf - he was caught between two cultures and alienated from the one he most identified with.  Spock tried to be more Vulcan than the most Vulcan Vulcan because he felt (yes, felt) inferior and wanted to shove his superiority down the throats of every Vulcan he ever had or ever would meet.  One of the few things the Kelvin movies showed properly.

I'm pretty sure that in TOS it was accidental for the most part, because the writers weren't THAT sophisticated when it came to long term character development, but I think it worked out really well.
 
2021-09-26 10:57:07 AM  
For me it was the cowboy planet episode that soured Enterprise. An episode with humans kidnapped from Earth centuries earlier being forced to build a new society could have been interesting (and Voyager touched the subject in "The 37s"). Instead we got space cowboys and indians and a very heavy-handed social message.

Freakin' waste.
 
2021-09-26 10:58:38 AM  
Lies.

This isn't about 'Broken Bow', which launched that whole crapsack of fail, to begin with.
 
2021-09-26 11:01:40 AM  

Lambskincoat: That show actually had an incredibly gorgeous woman actor, and yet I still found it unwatchable. In my book that is just unforgivable.


Yeah, but they clearly didn't know who the gorgeous woman was, so they pointed the camera at Jolene Blalock instead of Linda Park. (I don't understand how anyone can watch Enterprise and thing Blalock was the attractive one on the show)

Flappyhead: Don't forget "Dr. Crusher Farks a Ghost."



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Unsung_Hero: I'm pretty sure that in TOS it was accidental for the most part, because the writers weren't THAT sophisticated when it came to long term character development, but I think it worked out really well.


To an extent, that was DC Fontana trying to fix the disaster that is Amok Time (iconic episode, sure, but yikes). And a big part of that was really cemented in the only animated series episode to be considered canonical: Yesteryear, where we see Spock's childhood.

(Everything good in Star Trek came from DC Fontana and Gene Coon)
 
2021-09-26 11:03:33 AM  

Unsung_Hero: resident dystopian: well, you've won me over, can't argue with that.

It also helps to realize that our standard for understanding Vulcans is Spock.  He had the same problem they later gave Worf - he was caught between two cultures and alienated from the one he most identified with.  Spock tried to be more Vulcan than the most Vulcan Vulcan because he felt (yes, felt) inferior and wanted to shove his superiority down the throats of every Vulcan he ever had or ever would meet.  One of the few things the Kelvin movies showed properly.

I'm pretty sure that in TOS it was accidental for the most part, because the writers weren't THAT sophisticated when it came to long term character development, but I think it worked out really well.


I think D.C Fontana did a wonderful job with the character especially with this animated episode.
Spock is one of a few characters that is fleshed out enough that he seemed to have an active inner life.
Not to disagree, but, I think it is quite an accomplishment for episodic television at the time.
So yes, I do think it was a high level of sophistication, even if it was a happy accident.
/also i think of when TOS originally aired, the only other things were Irwin Allen offerings. (oh, the pain, the pain, and moystah, moystah, moystah)
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//for something that was at the time supposed to be disposable entertainment, they did often times bring their A game.
///that's why i am so disappointed with present day Trek, shiny gloss and high production values, although, not very much else.
 
2021-09-26 11:17:31 AM  

resident dystopian: I was trying to find the original article that had the conversation with Berman
(still looking, Entertainment Weekly, maybe?) ,but, I did
come across this that you may find interesting.


The look of NX-01 never really bugged me (even if I did say "It's just an Akira" the moment I saw it in TV Guide like everyone else did) because to be perfectly honest what was acceptable in the late 60s was going to look clunky as hell 30ish years later and people trying to slavishly adhere to the designs of the time "because you have to" is ridiculous. "In a Mirror Darkly" was cool in concept but it was absolutely corny as hell to show everyone acting like the Defiant was some spacefuture godsend because it sure as hell still looked like cardboard and bullshiat. One of the things Discovery has done right is just say fark It, update the design while honoring the original and say "Yeah this is just how it always looked like the Klingons in TMP before we over-explained that shiat too."
 
2021-09-26 11:48:46 AM  
Star Trek series ranked:
1. DS9
2. TOS
3. TNG
4. The Lower Decks
5. Enterprise
6. The Orville
7. Voyager
8. Disco
9. Picard

This is the correct and true ranking.

/ haven't seen most of TAS, so can't rank it.
 
2021-09-26 12:06:03 PM  

kkinnison: I gave up on that show from the start with the "Sexy topical decontamination"


You got further than I did. That twangy-goopy opening theme just killed it for me. Like nails on a chalkboard.
 
2021-09-26 12:09:39 PM  
Enterprise was a lot of wasted potential.  They had some good actors.  All were decent.  Jeffrey Combs as Shran was a great character and he made the Andorians interesting.  Some of the Season 4 episodes that touched on established Trek lore actually worked, but most of the time the show felt like a bad solution in search of a problem.
 
2021-09-26 12:14:14 PM  

NeoCortex42: Ghastly: "Shades of Gray" is still, quite objectively the worst episode of Star Trek ever.

I don't even count it as an episode.  It was a clip show.  They were scraping the barrel in order to push something out during the writers' strike.


Yeah, I hate clip shows, in any series. Especially that one, where they only had two seasons worth of episodes to rehash.
 
2021-09-26 12:25:37 PM  

Mugato: NeoCortex42: Ghastly: "Shades of Gray" is still, quite objectively the worst episode of Star Trek ever.

I don't even count it as an episode.  It was a clip show.  They were scraping the barrel in order to push something out during the writers' strike.

Yeah, I hate clip shows, in any series. Especially that one, where they only had two seasons worth of episodes to rehash.


I agree, with one exception:
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2021-09-26 12:30:06 PM  

Copperbelly watersnake: Like any Quantum Leap fan, I wanted Bakula to succeed in the role but he just didn't. It can't be all blamed on the writing. He just never seemed to fit the role.


If you've seen CSI: New Orleans, Bakula is kind of an idiot there too. I think that's the limit of his range.

born_yesterday: I gave up on that show from the start with the "Sexy topical decontamination"


And they somehow made those scenes not sexy.
 
2021-09-26 12:37:04 PM  

NeoCortex42: Mugato: NeoCortex42: Ghastly: "Shades of Gray" is still, quite objectively the worst episode of Star Trek ever.

I don't even count it as an episode.  It was a clip show.  They were scraping the barrel in order to push something out during the writers' strike.

Yeah, I hate clip shows, in any series. Especially that one, where they only had two seasons worth of episodes to rehash.

I agree, with one exception:
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It's funny, I love "Clerks" but I never saw the animated show. I'll have to see if it's on any streaming services.
 
2021-09-26 12:39:57 PM  

Mugato: NeoCortex42: Mugato: NeoCortex42: Ghastly: "Shades of Gray" is still, quite objectively the worst episode of Star Trek ever.

I don't even count it as an episode.  It was a clip show.  They were scraping the barrel in order to push something out during the writers' strike.

Yeah, I hate clip shows, in any series. Especially that one, where they only had two seasons worth of episodes to rehash.

I agree, with one exception:
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It's funny, I love "Clerks" but I never saw the animated show. I'll have to see if it's on any streaming services.


It's only like six episodes. Depending on how into Kevin Smith you are in general, it's worth tracking down the DVD set for the commentary tracks. They're just as entertaining as the show itself.

Also, the tone of the animated series is very different than the movie. It really is Kevin Smith's attempt at a Saturday morning cartoon.
 
2021-09-26 12:40:47 PM  
Oh, and the clip show is the second episode if the series, which is what makes it work as a gag.
 
2021-09-26 12:47:07 PM  

zbtop: kkinnison: I gave up on that show from the start with the "Sexy topical decontamination"

You got further than I did. That twangy-goopy opening theme just killed it for me. Like nails on a chalkboard.


This is the theme that Enterprise should have used, and I'll redshirt on that hill.
Star Trek: Enterprise - The intro song they SHOULD have used
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/goes far
//flies near
///to the stars, away from here
 
2021-09-26 1:39:22 PM  
..no "trained diplomat" should ever think it was appropriate to bring a dog on a sensitive visit...

"If they're going to join the Federation, they must adhere to our Prime Directive: Love me, love my dog."

"Yeeeaaahhh, I like the idea of a Prime Directive in general, but that one's stupid. What else could we use?"
 
2021-09-26 1:52:45 PM  

NeoCortex42: Oh, and the clip show is the second episode if the series, which is what makes it work as a gag.


It was in the second season. That'd be funny though, if they ran it all the way to when they started running clips. It'd be like in Rocky 4 when they had a montage of the previous films leading up to two minutes before the montage.
 
2021-09-26 1:58:20 PM  

Mugato: NeoCortex42: Oh, and the clip show is the second episode if the series, which is what makes it work as a gag.

It was in the second season. That'd be funny though, if they ran it all the way to when they started running clips. It'd be like in Rocky 4 when they had a montage of the previous films leading up to two minutes before the montage.


I was referring to the Clerks clip show.
 
2021-09-26 2:04:54 PM  

zbtop: kkinnison: I gave up on that show from the start with the "Sexy topical decontamination"

You got further than I did. That twangy-goopy opening theme just killed it for me. Like nails on a chalkboard.


This, folks, is how you spot an idiot.  "I can't watch the show because I disliked the opening theme".

Bullshiat.  No reasonable person tuned out over the tune, you just like biatching about it.  If you didn't watch past the opening, you were never going to watch the show in the first place.
 
2021-09-26 2:11:15 PM  

NeoCortex42: Mugato: NeoCortex42: Oh, and the clip show is the second episode if the series, which is what makes it work as a gag.

It was in the second season. That'd be funny though, if they ran it all the way to when they started running clips. It'd be like in Rocky 4 when they had a montage of the previous films leading up to two minutes before the montage.

I was referring to the Clerks clip show.


Oh. I just pulled that up on youtube. Weird that it took me so long to watch it, I've seen all the Jay and Silent Bob movies, even the horrendous "Reboot" film.
 
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