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(The Counter)   A short list of the numerous technical hurdles in the way of mass-production of lab-grown meat. Fark: the cells don't have an immune system, so one bacterium or virus can spoil an entire batch   (thecounter.org) divider line
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2021-09-25 7:35:33 PM  
So, Florida?
 
2021-09-25 7:56:03 PM  
Just sprinkle some ivermectin on it.
 
2021-09-25 8:12:00 PM  
Is accidental sentience on the list?

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2021-09-25 8:22:07 PM  
You'll just have to grow your own, you nasty carnivores.  I'm tired of people not even knowing where their food comes from.
 
2021-09-25 8:23:11 PM  
Want an easier way to grow meat? Feed a pig, cow, or chicken.
 
2021-09-25 9:17:06 PM  
Can you grow it with muscle, sinew, and fat then make it run on a treadmill? If not, it's not going to taste right.
 
2021-09-25 9:33:54 PM  

Ambitwistor: Is accidental sentience on the list?

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meh, TFA actually used 'sentient' in the proper sense. cows already are sentient. sapient is the word that cartoon failed to use.
 
2021-09-25 9:37:01 PM  
Everything that grows in a bioreactor is subject to contamination....

Beer can be ruined by wayward bacteria.

We live in a world of mitigation measures...autoclaves, engineered cells, etc....
 
2021-09-25 9:37:53 PM  
in any case, TFA was a great read, and thank you Subs for getting me intrigued by your headline that is something I never once considered before.

I wonder if e.g. Quorn ever had similar issues to overcome - they bioreact vast sheets of mycoprotein in ginormous vats (lol they even got lawsuited at one point to stop them using the word "mushroom" in their advertising/marketing/packaging) - and fungi are no less susceptible to bacteria than actual-meats.
 
2021-09-25 9:39:23 PM  

Sasquach: Beer can be ruined by wayward bacteria.


ugh now I haz a sad for several batches of wayward mead I had to throw out.
 
2021-09-25 9:49:53 PM  
If you don't make it with all the problem bits, there's no need for barbeque.  Real slow cooking with smoke.

We will always have room to grow livestock if we prioritize it.  Vertical farms are coming to vegetables, and I see no reason we can't rotate beef from floor to floor.  If they are indoors 75% of the time their farts can go through an air filter.
 
2021-09-25 9:50:48 PM  

tintar: Sasquach: Beer can be ruined by wayward bacteria.

ugh now I haz a sad for several batches of wayward mead I had to throw out.


CSB, I once had a batch of mead get infected with some sort of wild yeast, I have no idea what it was, but by the time it was done ruining the brew almost nothing was left except alcohol and water. Near 20% and near tasteless... Though it mixed really well with rootbeer.
 
2021-09-25 9:59:09 PM  

cryinoutloud: You'll just have to grow your own, you nasty carnivores.  I'm tired of people not even knowing where their food comes from.


Killed and butchered enough deer, pigs, and chickens to know.  Don't have a problem with it.

For you and I to live, something else has to die.  We merely disagree on where we draw the line.
 
2021-09-25 10:13:18 PM  
Sear that sh*t

/on both sides
//PRABLOM SOLVT
 
2021-09-25 10:51:08 PM  

Ragin' Asian: Can you grow it with muscle, sinew, and fat then make it run on a treadmill? If not, it's not going to taste right.


Show your research.
 
2021-09-25 10:55:17 PM  
Impossible "ground smeat product" is pretty much at price parity with ground beef in our store now, and that stuff more than cuts it for burgers, shepherds pie, etc.

"Ethical Meat" is technically interesting, but I don't think there's a real need at this point.  Aside from the smell while cooking being more akin to a tire yard fire than a beef burger, Impossible does more than fine.
 
2021-09-25 10:55:32 PM  

cryinoutloud: You'll just have to grow your own, you nasty carnivores.  I'm tired of people not even knowing where their food comes from.


I get mine from a local farm. I could tell you the cow's name
 
2021-09-26 1:11:43 AM  
Tastes like salamanilla... 🍩
 
TWX
2021-09-26 1:26:18 AM  

duckpoopy: Ragin' Asian: Can you grow it with muscle, sinew, and fat then make it run on a treadmill? If not, it's not going to taste right.

Show your research.


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2021-09-26 1:34:33 AM  

cryinoutloud: You'll just have to grow your own, you nasty carnivores.  I'm tired of people not even knowing where their food comes from.


Wait, you mean pork comes from cute, intelligent pigs?!

Well fark.

I'd always assumed it came from people. Now I'm going to have to rethink my ethical stance regarding pork...
 
2021-09-26 2:21:29 AM  
Another problem with lab-grown meat is that it tastes like despair.
Despair
Youtube HnXfLGcENnI


/Better Off Ted is one of the best TV shows of all time.
 
2021-09-26 4:03:01 AM  
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2021-09-26 4:37:14 AM  

tintar: sapient


Definition of sapient: possessing or expressing great sagacity

Is there another definition?
 
2021-09-26 4:56:23 AM  

Fursecution: [Fark user image 767x1500]


That's ok. I wasn't planning on eating today.
 
2021-09-26 5:07:47 AM  
My silly thought. Clone the animals. But remove the head while it is still an embryo. Then attach it to tubes for feeding. Then we can raise meat without "killing" an animal. It was never alive.

:O
 
2021-09-26 6:30:40 AM  

tintar: Sasquach: Beer can be ruined by wayward bacteria.

ugh now I haz a sad for several batches of wayward mead I had to throw out.


Pfft come on, just slap a label on it saying "Farmhouse Style" it'll be alright!
 
2021-09-26 7:24:31 AM  

cryinoutloud: You'll just have to grow your own, you nasty carnivores.  I'm tired of people not even knowing where their food comes from.


Duh, the supermarket.
 
2021-09-26 7:58:02 AM  

alechemist: cryinoutloud: You'll just have to grow your own, you nasty carnivores.  I'm tired of people not even knowing where their food comes from.

Duh, the supermarket.


me, happily eating calamari: mmm, the babbys are my favorite part!
precocious niece: Unca stop! you are so bad! stop eating the babies Unca!!!
me: kid, you're eating ham and bacon on your pizza, where does that come from?
her: the supermarket DUH! everybody knows that, Unca!

although in her defense and I guess to be fair... at the time I had speared 2 of the baby squids on 2 forks and was doing a sort of bad Charlie Chaplin impression in her direction.
 
2021-09-26 8:44:07 AM  
Puppet Master nods in agreement.
 
2021-09-26 10:21:18 AM  

Spermbot: tintar: sapient

Definition of sapient: possessing or expressing great sagacity

Is there another definition?


It sucked when Carl Sagacity died.  Thank God no asshole tried to reboot "Cosmos".
 
2021-09-26 10:23:34 AM  

LouisZepher: Puppet Master nods in agreement.


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WHAT A MUPPET PASTOR MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
 
2021-09-26 11:10:26 AM  

dittybopper: LouisZepher: Puppet Master nods in agreement.

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WHAT A MUPPET PASTOR MIGHT LOOK LIKE.


wish I had more than one funny to give!
 
2021-09-26 11:27:39 AM  

dittybopper: LouisZepher: Puppet Master nods in agreement.

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WHAT A MUPPET PASTOR MIGHT LOOK LIKE.


Boomerang fish time!
 
2021-09-26 12:16:57 PM  

nauteeprincess: Tastes like salamanilla... 🍩

Is that a vanilla shake with pureed salamanders in it? Or filet of salamander with a vanilla-based cremè sauce?
 
2021-09-26 12:30:59 PM  

xrayspx: Impossible "ground smeat product" is pretty much at price parity with ground beef in our store now, and that stuff more than cuts it for burgers, shepherds pie, etc.

"Ethical Meat" is technically interesting, but I don't think there's a real need at this point.  Aside from the smell while cooking being more akin to a tire yard fire than a beef burger, Impossible does more than fine.


The problem is that plant based ground beef products aren't solving any problems. There aren't cows being bred solely for ground beef. As long as the demand keeps up for the more expensive cuts, then those that are used for ground beef will still be produced as well.

I'm all for reforming/reducing meat production, but these alternatives don't stand to have a real impact until the develop a real alternative to ribeyes, flank steaks, and so on.
 
2021-09-26 12:43:58 PM  

Russ1642: Want an easier way to grow meat? Feed a pig, cow, or chicken.


Yup, pigs are phenomenal at turning food waste into meat. ;)
 
2021-09-26 12:45:43 PM  

duckpoopy: Ragin' Asian: Can you grow it with muscle, sinew, and fat then make it run on a treadmill? If not, it's not going to taste right.

Show your research.


It doesn't taste right depending on what it was fed, speaking of live animal harvested meat.  Bison raised on farms fed the same things that farmed cows eat, taste like cow.  Hunted deer taste much better than farmed deer.

Hell, I have no direct experience, but I have heard enough people claim that eggs from chickens that eat bugs and stuff in their backyard taste way better than eggs from chickens that eat chicken feed.
 
2021-09-26 12:53:07 PM  

Tarl3k: Russ1642: Want an easier way to grow meat? Feed a pig, cow, or chicken.

Yup, pigs are phenomenal at turning food waste into meat. ;)


Yep, which is a lot of why pork is a popular poorfood.  They turn garbage into food.

The way we farm cattle is really wasteful, We use arable land that COULD be used to feed people, to grow corn to feed cattle.  That we have to put pot scrubbers in their stomachs to help them digest, and pump them full of antibiotics so they don't die from their horrible diet.
 
2021-09-26 12:57:18 PM  
well they best adopt practices similar to clean rooms used by makers of IC chips.
 
2021-09-26 1:33:29 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: xrayspx: Impossible "ground smeat product" is pretty much at price parity with ground beef in our store now, and that stuff more than cuts it for burgers, shepherds pie, etc.

"Ethical Meat" is technically interesting, but I don't think there's a real need at this point.  Aside from the smell while cooking being more akin to a tire yard fire than a beef burger, Impossible does more than fine.

The problem is that plant based ground beef products aren't solving any problems. There aren't cows being bred solely for ground beef. As long as the demand keeps up for the more expensive cuts, then those that are used for ground beef will still be produced as well.

I'm all for reforming/reducing meat production, but these alternatives don't stand to have a real impact until the develop a real alternative to ribeyes, flank steaks, and so on.


Bovines provide more than just meat.

Bones, skin, pancreas, and fat are used in all sorts of products.
 
2021-09-26 1:44:31 PM  

Petey4335: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: xrayspx: Impossible "ground smeat product" is pretty much at price parity with ground beef in our store now, and that stuff more than cuts it for burgers, shepherds pie, etc.

"Ethical Meat" is technically interesting, but I don't think there's a real need at this point.  Aside from the smell while cooking being more akin to a tire yard fire than a beef burger, Impossible does more than fine.

The problem is that plant based ground beef products aren't solving any problems. There aren't cows being bred solely for ground beef. As long as the demand keeps up for the more expensive cuts, then those that are used for ground beef will still be produced as well.

I'm all for reforming/reducing meat production, but these alternatives don't stand to have a real impact until the develop a real alternative to ribeyes, flank steaks, and so on.

Bovines provide more than just meat.

Bones, skin, pancreas, and fat are used in all sorts of products.


That wasn't the point though. If they provided nothing except for meat, then ground beef substitutes aren't going to make a dent in reducing meat production until they create a viable alternative to the beef cuts that aren't ground.

Of course the other byproducts of the animal complicate matters further, but the point was that it was already a losing battle looking at solely beef production.
 
2021-09-26 2:00:26 PM  

recondite cetacean: If you don't make it with all the problem bits, there's no need for barbeque.  Real slow cooking with smoke.

We will always have room to grow livestock if we prioritize it.  Vertical farms are coming to vegetables, and I see no reason we can't rotate beef from floor to floor.  If they are indoors 75% of the time their farts can go through an air filter.


lemma: consider a sphericalcubical cow?

/also use the farts to power generators

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2021-09-26 3:06:59 PM  

TWX: duckpoopy: Ragin' Asian: Can you grow it with muscle, sinew, and fat then make it run on a treadmill? If not, it's not going to taste right.

Show your research.

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YASSSSSSSS.
 
2021-09-26 4:54:21 PM  

xrayspx: Impossible "ground smeat product" is pretty much at price parity with ground beef in our store now, and that stuff more than cuts it for burgers, shepherds pie, etc.

"Ethical Meat" is technically interesting, but I don't think there's a real need at this point.  Aside from the smell while cooking being more akin to a tire yard fire than a beef burger, Impossible does more than fine.


Ethics question: Once lab-grown cruelty-free meat becomes a thing, are there any other lines that shouldn't be crossed?

Would you eat a ground panda burger?
Chimpanzee?
Human?
What if was literally grown from your own cells?
 
TWX
2021-09-26 5:28:29 PM  

rosekolodny: TWX: duckpoopy: Ragin' Asian: Can you grow it with muscle, sinew, and fat then make it run on a treadmill? If not, it's not going to taste right.

Show your research.

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YASSSSSSSS.


Unfortunately the flank steak I cooked yesterday I slightly overcooked.  It's by no means inedible, but the interior is only pale pink instead of bright pink.  I'd seasoned it well and far before cooking though, so the flavoring is excellent.

I'd cooked a dozen chicken thighs before the steak and the grill was suffering a lot of flameup after pulling the thighs off.  It wasn't quite this bad:

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but it was along these lines.

I want to get a better grill but I don't relish the thought of paying the better part of a thousand dollars.
 
2021-09-26 5:45:35 PM  
"Clearly, I don't think cultured meat has legs,"
 
2021-09-26 6:01:53 PM  

Excelsior: xrayspx: Impossible "ground smeat product" is pretty much at price parity with ground beef in our store now, and that stuff more than cuts it for burgers, shepherds pie, etc.

"Ethical Meat" is technically interesting, but I don't think there's a real need at this point.  Aside from the smell while cooking being more akin to a tire yard fire than a beef burger, Impossible does more than fine.

Ethics question: Once lab-grown cruelty-free meat becomes a thing, are there any other lines that shouldn't be crossed?

Would you eat a ground panda burger?
Chimpanzee?
Human?
What if was literally grown from your own cells?


oblig.

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also

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2021-09-26 6:18:23 PM  

Needlessly Complicated: Another problem with lab-grown meat is that it tastes like despair.
[YouTube video: Despair]

/Better Off Ted is one of the best TV shows of all time.


And now Linda is Ted Lasso's ex-wife. She really likes Teds!
 
2021-09-26 8:21:46 PM  

Sasquach: Everything that grows in a bioreactor is subject to contamination....

Beer can be ruined by wayward bacteria.

We live in a world of mitigation measures...autoclaves, engineered cells, etc....


Gusher infections are the worst thing that can happen to your homebrewed beer. Only had one in 20+ years.  Except it was in a keg and I lost five gallons of holiday ale.
 
2021-09-26 9:06:44 PM  

tintar: Excelsior: xrayspx: Impossible "ground smeat product" is pretty much at price parity with ground beef in our store now, and that stuff more than cuts it for burgers, shepherds pie, etc.

"Ethical Meat" is technically interesting, but I don't think there's a real need at this point.  Aside from the smell while cooking being more akin to a tire yard fire than a beef burger, Impossible does more than fine.

Ethics question: Once lab-grown cruelty-free meat becomes a thing, are there any other lines that shouldn't be crossed?

Would you eat a ground panda burger?
Chimpanzee?
Human?
What if was literally grown from your own cells?

oblig.

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also

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Man I loved PLIF.
 
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