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2021-09-25 12:07:05 PM  
The cops still get to steal all their stuff, of course.
 
2021-09-25 2:19:25 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: The cops still get to steal all their stuff, of course.


And they've presumably already been sitting in jail for three years. How long would the sentence have been anyway
 
2021-09-25 4:25:57 PM  
Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.
 
2021-09-25 4:30:32 PM  

ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.


Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point
 
2021-09-25 4:34:01 PM  
Tell me this fairy tale of "good" cops again?
 
2021-09-25 4:34:16 PM  

leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point


Have you ever entered the country? Pretty sure JFK customs and that bridge in Detroit are constitution free.
 
2021-09-25 4:35:50 PM  
Overturned by SCOTUS in 3..:2...1...
 
2021-09-25 4:35:56 PM  

ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

Have you ever entered the country? Pretty sure JFK customs and that bridge in Detroit are constitution free.


I don't expect them to search everything I have if I meet someone at JFK.
 
2021-09-25 4:37:22 PM  

johnphantom: Tell me this fairy tale of "good" cops again?


OK.

Once upon a time, people said "defund the police" but white people where scared so nothing happened.
 
2021-09-25 4:39:47 PM  

johnphantom: ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

Have you ever entered the country? Pretty sure JFK customs and that bridge in Detroit are constitution free.

I don't expect them to search everything I have if I meet someone at JFK.


Oh you sweet summer child, I said entering the country (or they have probable cause you entered illegally) because the country has a right to search everyone attempting to enter the country. It's not a game of hide and seek. If they catch you 1 mile or 100 miles in, they should have the right to give you a thorough search.
 
2021-09-25 4:39:49 PM  

fnordfocus: Marcus Aurelius: The cops still get to steal all their stuff, of course.

And they've presumably already been sitting in jail for three years. How long would the sentence have been anyway


Sweet Jebus, WTF did they get caught with?

We HAVE to end the farking war on drugs. There's a vast array of destructive, life destroying, monetarily costly, and just plain backwards policies and laws that "conservatives" have managed to champion in the last 50 years that HAVE to be obliterated. The war on drugs is one of the worst, and should be one that's prioritized for dismantling.
 
2021-09-25 4:40:44 PM  

leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point


So, I walk across the border in Maine...I'm safe as soon as both my feet are on American soil?
 
2021-09-25 4:43:19 PM  

ColonelCathcart: johnphantom: ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

Have you ever entered the country? Pretty sure JFK customs and that bridge in Detroit are constitution free.

I don't expect them to search everything I have if I meet someone at JFK.

Oh you sweet summer child, I said entering the country (or they have probable cause you entered illegally) because the country has a right to search everyone attempting to enter the country. It's not a game of hide and seek. If they catch you 1 mile or 100 miles in, they should have the right to give you a thorough search.


Yeah, I haven't crossed a border in over a decade. They don't get to pull over American citizens who never left the country for fishing expeditions. The cops are robbing people, dude.
 
2021-09-25 4:43:59 PM  

ColonelCathcart: johnphantom: ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

Have you ever entered the country? Pretty sure JFK customs and that bridge in Detroit are constitution free.

I don't expect them to search everything I have if I meet someone at JFK.

Oh you sweet summer child, I said entering the country (or they have probable cause you entered illegally) because the country has a right to search everyone attempting to enter the country. It's not a game of hide and seek. If they catch you 1 mile or 100 miles in, they should have the right to give you a thorough search.


Well, bless your heart.

"Entering the country" has nothing at all to do with this case.  They were traveling from point A to point B within the state.  But hey, don't let that stop you from trying to throw out some strawmen.

https://www.acluvt.org/en/cases/state​-​v-walker-brazie-and-lena-butterfield
 
2021-09-25 4:44:30 PM  

johnphantom: ColonelCathcart: johnphantom: ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

Have you ever entered the country? Pretty sure JFK customs and that bridge in Detroit are constitution free.

I don't expect them to search everything I have if I meet someone at JFK.

Oh you sweet summer child, I said entering the country (or they have probable cause you entered illegally) because the country has a right to search everyone attempting to enter the country. It's not a game of hide and seek. If they catch you 1 mile or 100 miles in, they should have the right to give you a thorough search.

Yeah, I haven't crossed a border in over a decade. They don't get to pull over American citizens who never left the country for fishing expeditions. The cops are robbing people, dude.


So you believe that 1 foot in and you're free and clear. Open borders. Literally.

Got it.
 
2021-09-25 4:44:33 PM  

ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

So, I walk across the border in Maine...I'm safe as soon as both my feet are on American soil?


If it were up to me?  Yes.
 
2021-09-25 4:46:02 PM  

ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

So, I walk across the border in Maine...I'm safe as soon as both my feet are on American soil?


You having rights does not mean you're safe.
 
2021-09-25 4:47:27 PM  

ColonelCathcart: johnphantom: ColonelCathcart: johnphantom: ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

Have you ever entered the country? Pretty sure JFK customs and that bridge in Detroit are constitution free.

I don't expect them to search everything I have if I meet someone at JFK.

Oh you sweet summer child, I said entering the country (or they have probable cause you entered illegally) because the country has a right to search everyone attempting to enter the country. It's not a game of hide and seek. If they catch you 1 mile or 100 miles in, they should have the right to give you a thorough search.

Yeah, I haven't crossed a border in over a decade. They don't get to pull over American citizens who never left the country for fishing expeditions. The cops are robbing people, dude.

So you believe that 1 foot in and you're free and clear. Open borders. Literally.

Got it.


Yeah, we didn't need it before 1924. You really want to pay 3x as much for your food?
 
2021-09-25 4:48:24 PM  

NewWorldDan: ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

So, I walk across the border in Maine...I'm safe as soon as both my feet are on American soil?

If it were up to me?  Yes.


So you support de facto open borders. There are several thousand miles of "hide and go seek" eligible entry ways.
 
2021-09-25 4:48:53 PM  

johnphantom: Tell me this fairy tale of "good" cops again?


Sure thing. Here's a whole bunch of 'em.

https://cops.usdoj.gov/RIC/Publicatio​n​s/cops-p429-pub.pdf
 
2021-09-25 4:48:58 PM  

grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

So, I walk across the border in Maine...I'm safe as soon as both my feet are on American soil?

You having rights does not mean you're safe.


Not safe as in me, safe as in the coyote gets two feet into America and now you can't do anything?
 
2021-09-25 4:49:56 PM  

Claude Ballse: johnphantom: Tell me this fairy tale of "good" cops again?

Sure thing. Here's a whole bunch of 'em.

https://cops.usdoj.gov/RIC/Publication​s/cops-p429-pub.pdf


How many watched Floyd be murdered over 10 minutes?
 
2021-09-25 4:50:37 PM  

ColonelCathcart: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

So, I walk across the border in Maine...I'm safe as soon as both my feet are on American soil?

You having rights does not mean you're safe.

Not safe as in me, safe as in the coyote gets two feet into America and now you can't do anything?


John Smith just shot someone in the face. He has rights, so therefore you can't do anything.
 
2021-09-25 4:51:54 PM  

grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

So, I walk across the border in Maine...I'm safe as soon as both my feet are on American soil?

You having rights does not mean you're safe.

Not safe as in me, safe as in the coyote gets two feet into America and now you can't do anything?

John Smith just shot someone in the face. He has rights, so therefore you can't do anything.


We have probable cause John Smith shot someone in the face entered the country illegally, we can detain him.
 
2021-09-25 4:52:07 PM  
 
2021-09-25 4:52:14 PM  

grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

So, I walk across the border in Maine...I'm safe as soon as both my feet are on American soil?

You having rights does not mean you're safe.

Not safe as in me, safe as in the coyote gets two feet into America and now you can't do anything?

John Smith just shot someone in the face. He has rights, so therefore you can't do anything.


Undocumented immigrants commit less crime than citizens.
 
2021-09-25 4:53:16 PM  

ColonelCathcart: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

So, I walk across the border in Maine...I'm safe as soon as both my feet are on American soil?

You having rights does not mean you're safe.

Not safe as in me, safe as in the coyote gets two feet into America and now you can't do anything?

John Smith just shot someone in the face. He has rights, so therefore you can't do anything.

We have probable cause John Smith shot someone in the face entered the country illegally, we can detain him.


You need more probable cause than "an out brake light".
 
2021-09-25 4:55:07 PM  

johnphantom: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

So, I walk across the border in Maine...I'm safe as soon as both my feet are on American soil?

You having rights does not mean you're safe.

Not safe as in me, safe as in the coyote gets two feet into America and now you can't do anything?

John Smith just shot someone in the face. He has rights, so therefore you can't do anything.

Undocumented immigrants commit less crime than citizens.


Even if I give you the idea that their first entry is "an administrative violation" - how about using false ID for eVerify? "Harmless" identity theft that causes tax headaches and actual identify theft for citizens.

Then anyone who enters twice has committed a misdemeanor. How many of them have ever returned home?

It's all because you're cherry picking what a crime is. I would love to use someone else's info on a W-9 and withold zero dollars.
 
2021-09-25 4:56:44 PM  

ColonelCathcart: johnphantom: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

So, I walk across the border in Maine...I'm safe as soon as both my feet are on American soil?

You having rights does not mean you're safe.

Not safe as in me, safe as in the coyote gets two feet into America and now you can't do anything?

John Smith just shot someone in the face. He has rights, so therefore you can't do anything.

Undocumented immigrants commit less crime than citizens.

Even if I give you the idea that their first entry is "an administrative violation" - how about using false ID for eVerify? "Harmless" identity theft that causes tax headaches and actual identify theft for citizens.

Then anyone who enters twice has committed a misdemeanor. How many of them have ever returned home?

It's all because you're cherry picking what a crime is. I would love to use someone else's info on a W-9 and withold zero dollars.


We get it, you don't like Latinos. Why don't you answer what I said about your food tripling in price?
 
2021-09-25 4:56:55 PM  

ColonelCathcart: We have probable cause John Smith shot someone in the face entered the country illegally, we can detain him.


Yes, but by numerous SCOTUS rulings, John Smith still has the rights of an American citizen. "I walk across the border and set two feet in American soil and am safe" applies to literally no one, including American citizens.

johnphantom: Undocumented immigrants commit less crime than citizens.


No argument here, I didn't clarify, but John Smith is an American citizen.
 
2021-09-25 4:57:40 PM  

grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: We have probable cause John Smith shot someone in the face entered the country illegally, we can detain him.

Yes, but by numerous SCOTUS rulings, John Smith still has the rights of an American citizen. "I walk across the border and set two feet in American soil and am safe" applies to literally no one, including American citizens.

johnphantom: Undocumented immigrants commit less crime than citizens.

No argument here, I didn't clarify, but John Smith is an American citizen.


oi I f*cked that one all up
 
2021-09-25 4:58:31 PM  

johnphantom: ColonelCathcart: johnphantom: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

So, I walk across the border in Maine...I'm safe as soon as both my feet are on American soil?

You having rights does not mean you're safe.

Not safe as in me, safe as in the coyote gets two feet into America and now you can't do anything?

John Smith just shot someone in the face. He has rights, so therefore you can't do anything.

Undocumented immigrants commit less crime than citizens.

Even if I give you the idea that their first entry is "an administrative violation" - how about using false ID for eVerify? "Harmless" identity theft that causes tax headaches and actual identify theft for citizens.

Then anyone who enters twice has committed a misdemeanor. How many of them have ever returned home?

It's all because you're cherry picking what a crime is. I would love to use someone else's info on a W-9 and withold zero dollars.

We get it, you don't like Latinos. Why don't you answer what I said about your food tripling in price?


Hey, so what did Biden do with all of those Haitians?

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2021-09-25 5:00:14 PM  

ColonelCathcart: johnphantom: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

So, I walk across the border in Maine...I'm safe as soon as both my feet are on American soil?

You having rights does not mean you're safe.

Not safe as in me, safe as in the coyote gets two feet into America and now you can't do anything?

John Smith just shot someone in the face. He has rights, so therefore you can't do anything.

Undocumented immigrants commit less crime than citizens.

Even if I give you the idea that their first entry is "an administrative violation" - how about using false ID for eVerify? "Harmless" identity theft that causes tax headaches and actual identify theft for citizens.

Then anyone who enters twice has committed a misdemeanor. How many of them have ever returned home?

It's all because you're cherry picking what a crime is. I would love to use someone else's info on a W-9 and withold zero dollars.


Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2021-09-25 5:00:44 PM  

johnphantom: ColonelCathcart: johnphantom: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

So, I walk across the border in Maine...I'm safe as soon as both my feet are on American soil?

You having rights does not mean you're safe.

Not safe as in me, safe as in the coyote gets two feet into America and now you can't do anything?

John Smith just shot someone in the face. He has rights, so therefore you can't do anything.

Undocumented immigrants commit less crime than citizens.

Even if I give you the idea that their first entry is "an administrative violation" - how about using false ID for eVerify? "Harmless" identity theft that causes tax headaches and actual identify theft for citizens.

Then anyone who enters twice has committed a misdemeanor. How many of them have ever returned home?

It's all because you're cherry picking what a crime is. I would love to use someone else's info on a W-9 and withold zero dollars.

We get it, you don't like Latinos. Why don't you answer what I said about your food tripling in price?


Sorry, I would prefer it did.

1) Americans could eat less
2) We would rape our farmland less
3) We should offer almost unlimited work visas for agricultural workers to give them protection under the law - and renew it every growing season*

/California harvests year round, but you can rotate workers because it is absolutely worker exploitation
 
2021-09-25 5:00:44 PM  

ColonelCathcart: johnphantom: ColonelCathcart: johnphantom: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

So, I walk across the border in Maine...I'm safe as soon as both my feet are on American soil?

You having rights does not mean you're safe.

Not safe as in me, safe as in the coyote gets two feet into America and now you can't do anything?

John Smith just shot someone in the face. He has rights, so therefore you can't do anything.

Undocumented immigrants commit less crime than citizens.

Even if I give you the idea that their first entry is "an administrative violation" - how about using false ID for eVerify? "Harmless" identity theft that causes tax headaches and actual identify theft for citizens.

Then anyone who enters twice has committed a misdemeanor. How many of them have ever returned home?

It's all because you're cherry picking what a crime is. I would love to use someone else's info on a W-9 and withold zero dollars.

We get it, you don't like Latinos. Why don't you answer what I said about your food tripling in price?

Hey, so what did Biden do with all of those Haitians?

[Fark user image 425x239]


Face it, you come from immigrants.
 
2021-09-25 5:01:20 PM  

scanman61: ColonelCathcart: johnphantom: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

So, I walk across the border in Maine...I'm safe as soon as both my feet are on American soil?

You having rights does not mean you're safe.

Not safe as in me, safe as in the coyote gets two feet into America and now you can't do anything?

John Smith just shot someone in the face. He has rights, so therefore you can't do anything.

Undocumented immigrants commit less crime than citizens.

Even if I give you the idea that their first entry is "an administrative violation" - how about using false ID for eVerify? "Harmless" identity theft that causes tax headaches and actual identify theft for citizens.

Then anyone who enters twice has committed a misdemeanor. How many of them have ever returned home?

It's all because you're cherry picking what a crime is. I would love to use someone else's info on a W-9 and withold zero dollars.

[Fark user image image 273x185]


So pointing out that a significant portion of them have committed actual statutory crimes is "grasping at straws" - gotcha.
 
2021-09-25 5:02:31 PM  

ColonelCathcart: johnphantom: ColonelCathcart: johnphantom: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

So, I walk across the border in Maine...I'm safe as soon as both my feet are on American soil?

You having rights does not mean you're safe.

Not safe as in me, safe as in the coyote gets two feet into America and now you can't do anything?

John Smith just shot someone in the face. He has rights, so therefore you can't do anything.

Undocumented immigrants commit less crime than citizens.

Even if I give you the idea that their first entry is "an administrative violation" - how about using false ID for eVerify? "Harmless" identity theft that causes tax headaches and actual identify theft for citizens.

Then anyone who enters twice has committed a misdemeanor. How many of them have ever returned home?

It's all because you're cherry picking what a crime is. I would love to use someone else's info on a W-9 and withold zero dollars.

We get it, you don't like Latinos. Why don't you answer what I said about your food tripling in price?

Sorry, I would prefer it did.

1) Americans could eat less
2) We would rape our farmland less
3) We should offer almost unlimited work visas for agricultural workers to give them protection under the law - and renew it every growing season*

/California harvests year round, but you can rotate workers because it is absolutely worker exploitation


Yeah, tell me, what is the reason why undocumented immigrants come, and who is facilitating this? Do you even know how they pay 3 or 4 undocumented and report them as one person making minimum wage to the IRS so the government is happy?
 
2021-09-25 5:03:17 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Overturned by SCOTUS in 3..:2...1...


That would be a shock to the constitution.

SCOTUS  has zero authority to review state constitutional law.
 
2021-09-25 5:03:56 PM  

johnphantom: ColonelCathcart: johnphantom: ColonelCathcart: johnphantom: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

So, I walk across the border in Maine...I'm safe as soon as both my feet are on American soil?

You having rights does not mean you're safe.

Not safe as in me, safe as in the coyote gets two feet into America and now you can't do anything?

John Smith just shot someone in the face. He has rights, so therefore you can't do anything.

Undocumented immigrants commit less crime than citizens.

Even if I give you the idea that their first entry is "an administrative violation" - how about using false ID for eVerify? "Harmless" identity theft that causes tax headaches and actual identify theft for citizens.

Then anyone who enters twice has committed a misdemeanor. How many of them have ever returned home?

It's all because you're cherry picking what a crime is. I would love to use someone else's info on a W-9 and withold zero dollars.

We get it, you don't like Latinos. Why don't you answer what I said about your food tripling in price?

Sorry, I would prefer it did.

1) Americans could eat less
2) We would rape our farmland less
3) We should offer almost unlimited work visas for agricultural workers to give them protection under the law - and renew it every growing season*

/California harvests year round, but you can rotate workers because it is absolutely worker exploitation

Yeah, tell me, what is the reason why undocumented immigrants come, and who is facilitating this? Do you even know how they pay 3 or 4 undocumented and report them as one person making minimum wage to the IRS so the government is happy?


See point 3:

3) We should offer almost unlimited work visas for agricultural workers to give them protection under the law - and renew it every growing season*

/California harvests year round, but you can rotate workers because it is absolutely worker exploitation
 
2021-09-25 5:04:46 PM  

ColonelCathcart: scanman61: ColonelCathcart: johnphantom: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

So, I walk across the border in Maine...I'm safe as soon as both my feet are on American soil?

You having rights does not mean you're safe.

Not safe as in me, safe as in the coyote gets two feet into America and now you can't do anything?

John Smith just shot someone in the face. He has rights, so therefore you can't do anything.

Undocumented immigrants commit less crime than citizens.

Even if I give you the idea that their first entry is "an administrative violation" - how about using false ID for eVerify? "Harmless" identity theft that causes tax headaches and actual identify theft for citizens.

Then anyone who enters twice has committed a misdemeanor. How many of them have ever returned home?

It's all because you're cherry picking what a crime is. I would love to use someone else's info on a W-9 and withold zero dollars.

[Fark user image image 273x185]

So pointing out that a significant portion of them have committed actual statutory crimes is "grasping at straws" - gotcha.


Trying to tie it to the linked article sure is.

CBP should have no farking authority whatsoever over US citizens traveling within the country.
 
2021-09-25 5:06:47 PM  

scanman61: ColonelCathcart: scanman61: ColonelCathcart: johnphantom: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

So, I walk across the border in Maine...I'm safe as soon as both my feet are on American soil?

You having rights does not mean you're safe.

Not safe as in me, safe as in the coyote gets two feet into America and now you can't do anything?

John Smith just shot someone in the face. He has rights, so therefore you can't do anything.

Undocumented immigrants commit less crime than citizens.

Even if I give you the idea that their first entry is "an administrative violation" - how about using false ID for eVerify? "Harmless" identity theft that causes tax headaches and actual identify theft for citizens.

Then anyone who enters twice has committed a misdemeanor. How many of them have ever returned home?

It's all because you're cherry picking what a crime is. I would love to use someone else's info on a W-9 and withold zero dollars.

[Fark user image image 273x185]

So pointing out that a significant portion of them have committed actual statutory crimes is "grasping at straws" - gotcha.

Trying to tie it to the linked article sure is.

CBP should have no farking authority whatsoever over US citizens traveling within the country.


I don't disagree, but Vermont has made a blanket ruling.
 
2021-09-25 5:07:27 PM  

ColonelCathcart: Sorry, I would prefer it did.

1) Americans could eat less
2) We would rape our farmland less
3) We should offer almost unlimited work visas for agricultural workers to give them protection under the law - and renew it every growing season*

/California harvests year round, but you can rotate workers because it is absolutely worker exploitation

Yeah, tell me, what is the reason why undocumented immigrants come, and who is facilitating this? Do you even know how they pay 3 or 4 undocumented and report them as one person making minimum wage to the IRS so the government is happy?


See point 3:

3) We should offer almost unlimited work visas for agricultural workers to give them protection under the law - and renew it every growing season*

/California harvests year round, but you can rotate workers because it is absolutely worker exploitation


That won't stop the companies from paying the cheaper labor.
 
2021-09-25 5:08:16 PM  

ColonelCathcart: So pointing out that a significant portion of them


Please give some cites about this one.
 
2021-09-25 5:09:09 PM  

johnphantom: ColonelCathcart: Sorry, I would prefer it did.

1) Americans could eat less
2) We would rape our farmland less
3) We should offer almost unlimited work visas for agricultural workers to give them protection under the law - and renew it every growing season*

/California harvests year round, but you can rotate workers because it is absolutely worker exploitation

Yeah, tell me, what is the reason why undocumented immigrants come, and who is facilitating this? Do you even know how they pay 3 or 4 undocumented and report them as one person making minimum wage to the IRS so the government is happy?


See point 3:

3) We should offer almost unlimited work visas for agricultural workers to give them protection under the law - and renew it every growing season*

/California harvests year round, but you can rotate workers because it is absolutely worker exploitation

That won't stop the companies from paying the cheaper labor.


Really? It will give them protection under the law and CA minimum wage is $14 per hour.

Farms do not operate under a separate economic world.

If you allow them to work on a Farm or in an (Amazon) warehouse, that would be the perfect solution forcing farms to pay market rates,
which is over $15 an hour.
 
2021-09-25 5:10:47 PM  

ColonelCathcart: johnphantom: ColonelCathcart: Sorry, I would prefer it did.

1) Americans could eat less
2) We would rape our farmland less
3) We should offer almost unlimited work visas for agricultural workers to give them protection under the law - and renew it every growing season*

/California harvests year round, but you can rotate workers because it is absolutely worker exploitation

Yeah, tell me, what is the reason why undocumented immigrants come, and who is facilitating this? Do you even know how they pay 3 or 4 undocumented and report them as one person making minimum wage to the IRS so the government is happy?


See point 3:

3) We should offer almost unlimited work visas for agricultural workers to give them protection under the law - and renew it every growing season*

/California harvests year round, but you can rotate workers because it is absolutely worker exploitation

That won't stop the companies from paying the cheaper labor.

Really? It will give them protection under the law and CA minimum wage is $14 per hour.

Farms do not operate under a separate economic world.

If you allow them to work on a Farm or in an (Amazon) warehouse, that would be the perfect solution forcing farms to pay market rates,
which is over $15 an hour.


LOL they already have protection. What do you see border patrol being effective at?!?
 
2021-09-25 5:12:09 PM  

grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: So pointing out that a significant portion of them

Please give some cites about this one.


12 million illegal hires - 80% of attempts. Once you're verified, you don't need to risk it again, so you do the math.

https://www.cato.org/blog/e-verify-le​t​-12-million-illegal-hires-happen-2006-​80-beat-system
 
2021-09-25 5:14:10 PM  

ColonelCathcart: scanman61: ColonelCathcart: scanman61: ColonelCathcart: johnphantom: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: grumpfuff: ColonelCathcart: leeksfromchichis: ColonelCathcart: Constitution free border zones should only apply to non-citizens or citizens actively trying to enter the country.

Otherwise, 4th amendment.

Constitution free anything should only apply to areas that are not located in any part of thatnation. That's kinda the whole point

So, I walk across the border in Maine...I'm safe as soon as both my feet are on American soil?

You having rights does not mean you're safe.

Not safe as in me, safe as in the coyote gets two feet into America and now you can't do anything?

John Smith just shot someone in the face. He has rights, so therefore you can't do anything.

Undocumented immigrants commit less crime than citizens.

Even if I give you the idea that their first entry is "an administrative violation" - how about using false ID for eVerify? "Harmless" identity theft that causes tax headaches and actual identify theft for citizens.

Then anyone who enters twice has committed a misdemeanor. How many of them have ever returned home?

It's all because you're cherry picking what a crime is. I would love to use someone else's info on a W-9 and withold zero dollars.

[Fark user image image 273x185]

So pointing out that a significant portion of them have committed actual statutory crimes is "grasping at straws" - gotcha.

Trying to tie it to the linked article sure is.

CBP should have no farking authority whatsoever over US citizens traveling within the country.

I don't disagree, but Vermont has made a blanket ruling.


Okay, tell us what part of the Court's ruling you disagree with.  Be specific.
 
2021-09-25 5:16:45 PM  
Border patrol claims they can do whatever the hell they want if it is within 100 miles of a border. That's complete bullshiat.  You can tell them to fark off at those citizenship checkpoints they like to set up at random locations.  When you refuse to cooperate, they'll ask you to pull over.  Don't.  Stay where you are and block the lane.  Just keep repeating "am I free to go?"  and "am I under arrest?"  They'll make vague threats of arrest, but they can't actually do a damn thing and will eventually give up.
 
2021-09-25 5:17:53 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Overturned by SCOTUS in 3..:2...1...


scotus cannot overturn a state supreme court interpreting its own constitution.

These cases will now just be handled in federal court.
 
2021-09-25 5:20:56 PM  

johnphantom: 3) We should offer almost unlimited work visas for agricultural workers to give them protection under the law - and renew it every growing season*


I've been saying this for years.  We need the farm workers.  They want the jobs.  Make it easy to get a farm worker visa so that we can keep an eye on the employers.  We don't need to worry too much about the workers themselves.  They are almost always hard working and honest people.  In the rare case that one turns out to have criminal tendencies, lifetime ban on the visa, besides any other legal ramifications for whatever crime they commit.
 
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