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(Some Guy)   The tech industry has long hours, so the new trendy perk is taking a week off. You know, like a vacation. No mention of stopping the excessive workload in the first place   (protocol.com) divider line
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2021-09-25 4:52:14 AM  
Just like when companies magically discovered the lunch break.

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2021-09-25 4:59:52 AM  
I had a job where i was given 4 weeks of Vacation after 5 years

Had to schedule my Vacation Before Dec 31st for the next year. It was based on seniority with over 100 employees. And I often only was able to get one full week off from January to April since they were only allowing one or two people a week to have off during the summer.

so yea.  Plenty of vacation, but never approved vacation time
 
2021-09-25 6:05:38 AM  

kkinnison: I had a job where i was given 4 weeks of Vacation after 5 years

Had to schedule my Vacation Before Dec 31st for the next year. It was based on seniority with over 100 employees. And I often only was able to get one full week off from January to April since they were only allowing one or two people a week to have off during the summer.

so yea.  Plenty of vacation, but never approved vacation time


Charles Schwab?
 
2021-09-25 7:11:08 AM  
I took last Thursday off!

/still have 200+ hours to use by Dec 31
 
2021-09-25 7:56:47 AM  
"Why aren't you looking for a better paying job?"
Because I won't get paid more for only 40 hrs a week unless I have subordinates or learn calculus."
 
2021-09-25 8:28:40 AM  
A week is not enough for burnout recovery. After my last deployment in a one deep job working 14 hour days, seven days a week, while also simultaneously completing my masters degree, I took a month off. Three years later I still feel burned out. They asked me if I wanted to volunteer to deploy this spring and I gave them my best Old man Captain America, "No, I don't think I will."

/CSB
//Can't wait to get non-Col's
///Seven years to retirement!
 
2021-09-25 8:30:28 AM  

Sabreace22: //Can't wait to get non-Col's


//Non-Volunteered
 
2021-09-25 8:46:01 AM  

Sabreace22: A week is not enough for burnout recovery. After my last deployment in a one deep job working 14 hour days, seven days a week, while also simultaneously completing my masters degree, I took a month off. Three years later I still feel burned out. They asked me if I wanted to volunteer to deploy this spring and I gave them my best Old man Captain America, "No, I don't think I will."

/CSB
//Can't wait to get non-Col's
///Seven years to retirement!


Military?
My reason for retirement memo included the sentence "The military no longer sparks joy.  It is time to say thank you, and goodbye."

/Chain of command somehow thought this was a problem.
 
2021-09-25 8:46:08 AM  
Back in the bad old days, I worked in healthcare, as a free lance consultant.  One sole practitioner, loved, loved, loved deep sea fishing.  We came up with a way for him to go 4 times a year, but it meant scheduling at a microscopic level.  We got it down to a plan that worked for all the other employees, with two holding down the fort, and everyone else being off during those fishing trips, with rotations so that no one got stuck always having to cover those down times.  People loved working for the guy, and life was great, right up to the moment he decided to sell and retire.  The new owner came in and saw how productive everyone was for 12 weeks just to get that 13th week break.  Decided that the level of scheduling should be expanded to eliminate 2 of the 4 breaks, and everyone return to a traditional 2 week vacation, taken at the doctor's discretion.

Of course, EVERYONE started finding new jobs, and within a year the new guy was calling me for a consultation.  He couldn't understand why his million dollar a year practice had collapsed, after adding weeks back to production, forcing parents to use more childcare than before, less flexibility, etc.

Same thing is happening now, especially in the tech sector.  People will be loyal if they are either desperate or valued.  Someone truly happy in a job can't be lured away, but employers continually try to screw over their biggest asset.
 
2021-09-25 9:23:26 AM  

Laobaojun: Sabreace22: A week is not enough for burnout recovery. After my last deployment in a one deep job working 14 hour days, seven days a week, while also simultaneously completing my masters degree, I took a month off. Three years later I still feel burned out. They asked me if I wanted to volunteer to deploy this spring and I gave them my best Old man Captain America, "No, I don't think I will."

/CSB
//Can't wait to get non-Col's
///Seven years to retirement!

Military?
My reason for retirement memo included the sentence "The military no longer sparks joy.  It is time to say thank you, and goodbye."

/Chain of command somehow thought this was a problem.


Yeah, but I know I would be miserable on the outside too. I have to keep pushing through to transfer my GI Bill to my daughter and I'll take the affordable healthcare for life. The pension between my wife (both active) and I will help us set us up when we go to figure out what we want to do when we grow up.
 
2021-09-25 9:26:26 AM  
This is more like telling everyone at the company or on a project team to go take a week off at the same time after accomplishing some milestone.  Not exactly like a planned vacation and with everyone off you don't walk back into 10000 unread emails upon your return which is also nice.
 
2021-09-25 9:42:16 AM  

Sabreace22: Laobaojun: Sabreace22: A week is not enough for burnout recovery. After my last deployment in a one deep job working 14 hour days, seven days a week, while also simultaneously completing my masters degree, I took a month off. Three years later I still feel burned out. They asked me if I wanted to volunteer to deploy this spring and I gave them my best Old man Captain America, "No, I don't think I will."

/CSB
//Can't wait to get non-Col's
///Seven years to retirement!

Military?
My reason for retirement memo included the sentence "The military no longer sparks joy.  It is time to say thank you, and goodbye."

/Chain of command somehow thought this was a problem.

Yeah, but I know I would be miserable on the outside too. I have to keep pushing through to transfer my GI Bill to my daughter and I'll take the affordable healthcare for life. The pension between my wife (both active) and I will help us set us up when we go to figure out what we want to do when we grow up.


Toughing it out to retirement can be a beast.  I went a bit past minimum retirement time, and the leadership got really snotty that I wouldn't stay to mandatory retirement. I had to get the IG involved to get them to process my paperwork.

I got lucky & found a square hole for this square peg.  I could get paid more, but I have good leadership, great co-workers, and a job with a sense of purpose.  On paper, I am over-qualified, but I have turned down 40-50% raises to keep my quality of life.

Your military specialty isn't as important as you might think; a lot of employers like the work ethic and other intangibles of a former service member (as well as the benefits of "We hire vets!" virtue signaling).  I have seen former Navy Bosuns (grunts of the Navy) doing work you would associate with officers & staff planner types.
 
2021-09-25 9:54:18 AM  

kkinnison: I had a job where i was given 4 weeks of Vacation after 5 years

Had to schedule my Vacation Before Dec 31st for the next year. It was based on seniority with over 100 employees. And I often only was able to get one full week off from January to April since they were only allowing one or two people a week to have off during the summer.

so yea.  Plenty of vacation, but never approved vacation time


Take the vacation anyway. They won't fire you. They're short on resources. Resource coverage is management's problem, not your problem.
 
2021-09-25 9:59:52 AM  

OptionC: This is more like telling everyone at the company or on a project team to go take a week off at the same time after accomplishing some milestone.  Not exactly like a planned vacation and with everyone off you don't walk back into 10000 unread emails upon your return which is also nice.


An old timer in Ho yech told us Dr Land forced all employees at Polaroid to take 2-3 weeks off after a new program shipped.
(But you slept on cots in the cafe until then)
 
2021-09-25 10:26:23 AM  

kudayta: kkinnison: I had a job where i was given 4 weeks of Vacation after 5 years

Had to schedule my Vacation Before Dec 31st for the next year. It was based on seniority with over 100 employees. And I often only was able to get one full week off from January to April since they were only allowing one or two people a week to have off during the summer.

so yea.  Plenty of vacation, but never approved vacation time

Charles Schwab?


Good God I'm so glad I left that hellhole, went to grad school, and found a better job.
 
2021-09-25 10:36:50 AM  

blatz514: I took last Thursday off!

/still have 200+ hours to use by Dec 31


I normally get every other Friday off, so I've been taking *every* Friday off since the start of a pandemic to use up my leave. Working four-day weeks for the same salary has been glorious--even better than taking a longer vacations a couple of times a week.
 
2021-09-25 11:14:54 AM  
If you want the rewards, you need to work smart and hard.  Only doing one of those things is not enough when others are doing both.  Complaining about it, means you don't understand, and don't deserve.  Go find a government job.  They don't expect either from their people.

Yes, some people work very hard and never get anywhere.  That just means they are working hard.

Of course, not being a lazy stupid sack while you're in school/college is also part of the equation.  Deciding not to have children until you can afford them is another.

My heart goes out to people who have had bad things happen to them, but bad life choices are just symptoms of people who are weak and stupid.

I've worked over 100 hour weeks for months at a time, but I knew what the reward was going to be.  Not because someone told me, but because I took the time to figure it out.  People who whine about having to put the hours in aren't cut out for the business anyway.  They should quit and quit whining.
 
2021-09-25 11:15:07 AM  
For various reasons, such as allowing employees to take mandated training or simply have a day where we can work without disruption, my company banned all Friday meetings. The result has been meetings compressed into the rest of the week with many Thursdays being back to back to back meetings. Six of one, half a dozen of another but at least it's nice to know I have one day a week to schedule doctors appointments or bring the car into the mechanic knowing I don't have to look at my calendar first.
 
2021-09-25 11:24:16 AM  

jerryskid: If you want the rewards, you need to work smart and hard.  Only doing one of those things is not enough when others are doing both.  Complaining about it, means you don't understand, and don't deserve.  Go find a government job.  They don't expect either from their people.

Yes, some people work very hard and never get anywhere.  That just means they are working hard.

Of course, not being a lazy stupid sack while you're in school/college is also part of the equation.  Deciding not to have children until you can afford them is another.

My heart goes out to people who have had bad things happen to them, but bad life choices are just symptoms of people who are weak and stupid.

I've worked over 100 hour weeks for months at a time, but I knew what the reward was going to be.  Not because someone told me, but because I took the time to figure it out.  People who whine about having to put the hours in aren't cut out for the business anyway.  They should quit and quit whining.


I'd argue that if you can't accomplish everything in 40 hours per week (with the occasional exception) you either personally suck at your job or the entire organization is just a shiat show at the fark factory.
 
2021-09-25 11:26:53 AM  

jerryskid: If you want the rewards, you need to work smart and hard.  Only doing one of those things is not enough when others are doing both.  Complaining about it, means you don't understand, and don't deserve.  Go find a government job.  They don't expect either from their people.

Yes, some people work very hard and never get anywhere.  That just means they are working hard.

Of course, not being a lazy stupid sack while you're in school/college is also part of the equation.  Deciding not to have children until you can afford them is another.

My heart goes out to people who have had bad things happen to them, but bad life choices are just symptoms of people who are weak and stupid.

I've worked over 100 hour weeks for months at a time, but I knew what the reward was going to be.  Not because someone told me, but because I took the time to figure it out.  People who whine about having to put the hours in aren't cut out for the business anyway.  They should quit and quit whining.


Satire or stupidity?
 
2021-09-25 11:42:50 AM  
This is the problem with a service based economy, manufacturing plants have to shut down for maintenance, product changes and upgrades, usually 3 times per year for a week or 2 each time. When you service people they expect service 365/24/7
 
2021-09-25 11:45:25 AM  

NuclearPenguins: jerryskid: If you want the rewards, you need to work smart and hard.  Only doing one of those things is not enough when others are doing both.  Complaining about it, means you don't understand, and don't deserve.  Go find a government job.  They don't expect either from their people.

Yes, some people work very hard and never get anywhere.  That just means they are working hard.

Of course, not being a lazy stupid sack while you're in school/college is also part of the equation.  Deciding not to have children until you can afford them is another.

My heart goes out to people who have had bad things happen to them, but bad life choices are just symptoms of people who are weak and stupid.

I've worked over 100 hour weeks for months at a time, but I knew what the reward was going to be.  Not because someone told me, but because I took the time to figure it out.  People who whine about having to put the hours in aren't cut out for the business anyway.  They should quit and quit whining.

Satire or stupidity?


Neither. There is more than a little truth to it. Some people think being good at your job should be enough and in a perfect world it would be. In reality being good at your job looks like minimal effort if everyone else is putting in long hours 7 days a week. Nobody is going to hand you something just because you feel you are the most deserving.
 
2021-09-25 12:15:21 PM  

kkinnison: I had a job where i was given 4 weeks of Vacation after 5 years

Had to schedule my Vacation Before Dec 31st for the next year. It was based on seniority with over 100 employees. And I often only was able to get one full week off from January to April since they were only allowing one or two people a week to have off during the summer.

so yea.  Plenty of vacation, but never approved vacation time


The best approach there is to book 1 day a week for a few months until you burn off your accumulated time. You can get a bunch of 3- or 4-day weekends while never being away long enough to disrupt your work.
 
2021-09-25 12:20:39 PM  

OptionC: jerryskid: If you want the rewards, you need to work smart and hard.  Only doing one of those things is not enough when others are doing both.  Complaining about it, means you don't understand, and don't deserve.  Go find a government job.  They don't expect either from their people.

Yes, some people work very hard and never get anywhere.  That just means they are working hard.

Of course, not being a lazy stupid sack while you're in school/college is also part of the equation.  Deciding not to have children until you can afford them is another.

My heart goes out to people who have had bad things happen to them, but bad life choices are just symptoms of people who are weak and stupid.

I've worked over 100 hour weeks for months at a time, but I knew what the reward was going to be.  Not because someone told me, but because I took the time to figure it out.  People who whine about having to put the hours in aren't cut out for the business anyway.  They should quit and quit whining.

I'd argue that if you can't accomplish everything in 40 hours per week (with the occasional exception) you either personally suck at your job or the entire organization is just a shiat show at the fark factory.


Agreed.  On the short-term, a long-hour week can be quite productive.  On the long-term, working more than 40 hours/week is just productivity theater.
 
2021-09-25 12:47:30 PM  

bostonguy: Just like when companies magically discovered the lunch break.

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Come on they totally disrupted the lunch hour... soooo much disruption!!
 
2021-09-25 1:02:45 PM  

Ivo Shandor: kkinnison: I had a job where i was given 4 weeks of Vacation after 5 years

Had to schedule my Vacation Before Dec 31st for the next year. It was based on seniority with over 100 employees. And I often only was able to get one full week off from January to April since they were only allowing one or two people a week to have off during the summer.

so yea.  Plenty of vacation, but never approved vacation time

The best approach there is to book 1 day a week for a few months until you burn off your accumulated time. You can get a bunch of 3- or 4-day weekends while never being away long enough to disrupt your work.


Tell me you're American without saying you're American.
 
2021-09-25 1:08:51 PM  

Miss5280: blatz514: I took last Thursday off!

/still have 200+ hours to use by Dec 31

I normally get every other Friday off, so I've been taking *every* Friday off since the start of a pandemic to use up my leave. Working four-day weeks for the same salary has been glorious--even better than taking a longer vacations a couple of times a week.


I had to burn a bunch of days last December. Took them as half days for several weeks.  It was fantastic, my focus was better knowing I would be done mid day.  And still have better part of the day for exercise, house projects, etc.  Would love to be able to do that all the time.
 
2021-09-25 1:31:23 PM  

thurstonxhowell: Ivo Shandor: kkinnison: I had a job where i was given 4 weeks of Vacation after 5 years

Had to schedule my Vacation Before Dec 31st for the next year. It was based on seniority with over 100 employees. And I often only was able to get one full week off from January to April since they were only allowing one or two people a week to have off during the summer.

so yea.  Plenty of vacation, but never approved vacation time

The best approach there is to book 1 day a week for a few months until you burn off your accumulated time. You can get a bunch of 3- or 4-day weekends while never being away long enough to disrupt your work.

Tell me you're American without saying you're American.


Canadian actually. There are times when a small company is working on a time-sensitive project and it really would mess things up to have one of the key people disappear for a week. It's not a sustainable long-term strategy but not every company is a stable Fortune 500 business. I've worked in both environments and I always made sure I got my vacation days one way or the other.
 
2021-09-25 1:52:25 PM  
God, I need to get myself some drones.  They just line up for their nerve-stapling.
 
2021-09-25 1:55:58 PM  
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Everything goes back to this.  Replace pizza party with time off, 8-hour work day, bathroom breaks, etc.
 
2021-09-25 1:58:05 PM  
DNRTFA, but some people might prefer that. I typically work from 8AM to 9PM including commute, but in return I get about 60 days off every year and weekends.
 
2021-09-25 3:18:08 PM  
I took two weeks off last summer, and from this point on it will be an annual occurrence.  Did wonders for my mind.  Got a fun project done at home, went away for a few days, spent some time with friends.  A mini-retirement!

Also, whoever wrote that Just Eaters thing needs kicked in the dick,
 
2021-09-25 6:53:05 PM  

blatz514: I took last Thursday off!

/still have 200+ hours to use by Dec 31


160 hours to go here.

/But I just had 2 weeks of vacation
//And had a few other random weeks throughout the year
 
2021-09-25 8:00:32 PM  

jerryskid: If you want the rewards, you need to work smart and hard.  Only doing one of those things is not enough when others are doing both.  Complaining about it, means you don't understand, and don't deserve.  Go find a government job.  They don't expect either from their people.

Yes, some people work very hard and never get anywhere.  That just means they are working hard.

Of course, not being a lazy stupid sack while you're in school/college is also part of the equation.  Deciding not to have children until you can afford them is another.

My heart goes out to people who have had bad things happen to them, but bad life choices are just symptoms of people who are weak and stupid.

I've worked over 100 hour weeks for months at a time, but I knew what the reward was going to be.  Not because someone told me, but because I took the time to figure it out.  People who whine about having to put the hours in aren't cut out for the business anyway.  They should quit and quit whining.

bad life choices are just symptoms of people who are weak and stupid.


interesting sentiment considering your fark handle
 
2021-09-25 8:09:10 PM  
Pffft. And how many times have you farkers put in extra time because you were promised extra time off that you were then told you couldn't have after the work was done because there was too mich work to do? I'm guessing most of you. It happened to me and my coworkers at every job I've ever had. "Yeah, I'm going to need you to come in Saturday..."
 
2021-09-25 8:34:23 PM  

DerAppie: blatz514: I took last Thursday off!

/still have 200+ hours to use by Dec 31

160 hours to go here.

/But I just had 2 weeks of vacation
//And had a few other random weeks throughout the year


100 or so left to get me under use it lose.  After I took about 60 this month.

The week of Thanksgiving plus the last 2 weeks of the year should get me there.
 
2021-09-25 8:48:28 PM  

Laobaojun: Sabreace22: A week is not enough for burnout recovery. After my last deployment in a one deep job working 14 hour days, seven days a week, while also simultaneously completing my masters degree, I took a month off. Three years later I still feel burned out. They asked me if I wanted to volunteer to deploy this spring and I gave them my best Old man Captain America, "No, I don't think I will."

/CSB
//Can't wait to get non-Col's
///Seven years to retirement!

Military?
My reason for retirement memo included the sentence "The military no longer sparks joy.  It is time to say thank you, and goodbye."

/Chain of command somehow thought this was a problem.


My additional duty is retention, battalion level (which is supposed to be a full time duty). The command for the most part does alright but our MOS and unit qualifies for additional pay, when I took it up with the higher command and how they needed to support pay for morale and retention (nevermind the fact it was legally, ethically, and morally the right thing to do), I was told soldiers should be proud to be here and do the job without the additional pay.

Now they are confused as to why no one wants to volunteer for our command and all the talent wants to move to different commands.

"Reap what you sow" did not make me popular with command by my battle buddies appreciated it.
 
2021-09-25 10:44:47 PM  

fortheloveof: Laobaojun: Sabreace22: A week is not enough for burnout recovery. After my last deployment in a one deep job working 14 hour days, seven days a week, while also simultaneously completing my masters degree, I took a month off. Three years later I still feel burned out. They asked me if I wanted to volunteer to deploy this spring and I gave them my best Old man Captain America, "No, I don't think I will."

/CSB
//Can't wait to get non-Col's
///Seven years to retirement!

Military?
My reason for retirement memo included the sentence "The military no longer sparks joy.  It is time to say thank you, and goodbye."

/Chain of command somehow thought this was a problem.

My additional duty is retention, battalion level (which is supposed to be a full time duty). The command for the most part does alright but our MOS and unit qualifies for additional pay, when I took it up with the higher command and how they needed to support pay for morale and retention (nevermind the fact it was legally, ethically, and morally the right thing to do), I was told soldiers should be proud to be here and do the job without the additional pay.

Now they are confused as to why no one wants to volunteer for our command and all the talent wants to move to different commands.

"Reap what you sow" did not make me popular with command by my battle buddies appreciated it.


Sounds like a certain key, torch, & lightning bolt with a HQ at Fort Belvoir. I would rather stick a spoon in my eye than work for them.
 
2021-09-26 2:08:03 AM  

jerryskid: If you want the rewards, you need to work smart and hard.  Only doing one of those things is not enough when others are doing both.  Complaining about it, means you don't understand, and don't deserve.  Go find a government job.  They don't expect either from their people.
Yes, some people work very hard and never get anywhere.  That just means they are working hard.
Of course, not being a lazy stupid sack while you're in school/college is also part of the equation.  Deciding not to have children until you can afford them is another.
My heart goes out to people who have had bad things happen to them, but bad life choices are just symptoms of people who are weak and stupid.
I've worked over 100 hour weeks for months at a time, but I knew what the reward was going to be.  Not because someone told me, but because I took the time to figure it out.  People who whine about having to put the hours in aren't cut out for the business anyway.  They should quit and quit whining.


You sound like a lot of fun at --oh nevermind.

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People like you are never any fun.
 
2021-09-26 1:22:34 PM  
I'm burnt and I haven't figured out what to about it yet. I've got two ugly projects where I'm starting to see daylight. I figured finishing those might give me a new lease on life ... then we did project roadmap for next year. I'm good at this job and it would be a shame to move on but something's gotta give.
 
2021-09-26 4:28:55 PM  

BMFPitt: DerAppie: blatz514: I took last Thursday off!

/still have 200+ hours to use by Dec 31

160 hours to go here.

/But I just had 2 weeks of vacation
//And had a few other random weeks throughout the year

100 or so left to get me under use it lose.  After I took about 60 this month.

The week of Thanksgiving plus the last 2 weeks of the year should get me there.


I got 60 or so left under use or lose. I think I'll take 2 weeks in november and the first two weeks of december (since the holiday weeks are very quiet anyway). It is too bad Christmass is on saturday and sunday though. That would have been two gratis free days. The same goes for New Year's Day. Luckily that'll come around though.
 
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