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2021-09-24 5:27:01 PM  
Hopefully Davies can make Dr.Who a good show again after the dumpster fire created  Chipnall. Whittaker could even get chance to show she knows how to act and could be a good Doctor if given a decent script.
 
2021-09-24 7:40:56 PM  
Can't say I'm that thrilled. It sort of speaks to the idea that the BBC can't find producers willing to attach their reputation to the show anymore. So instead of a fresh new showrunner with new ideas and a new take on the series, we're getting a retread.

After the damage inflicted by Chibnall, can't say as I'm surprised, either. They can hype it up all they want, but this is a step backwards, and it doesn't bode well for the show's future at all.
 
2021-09-24 8:05:57 PM  
Does this mean we'll get Murray Gold back as composer?
 
2021-09-24 8:48:18 PM  

eurotrader: Hopefully Davies can make Dr.Who a good show again after the dumpster fire created  Chipnall. Whittaker could even get chance to show she knows how to act and could be a good Doctor if given a decent script.


Whittaker's leaving too.

And I haven't seen it, but she's apparently very good in Broadchurch.

/In other Whovian gossip, Brad Walsh has apparently been spotted in the same area as John Bishop in Cardiff, suggesting he might be reprising his role of Graham for a goodbye kinda scene.
 
2021-09-24 9:00:08 PM  

bloobeary: Can't say I'm that thrilled. It sort of speaks to the idea that the BBC can't find producers willing to attach their reputation to the show anymore. So instead of a fresh new showrunner with new ideas and a new take on the series, we're getting a retread.

After the damage inflicted by Chibnall, can't say as I'm surprised, either. They can hype it up all they want, but this is a step backwards, and it doesn't bode well for the show's future at all.


Should have JMS produce it
 
2021-09-24 9:01:27 PM  
He helmed a pretty damned good era. I don't really care if they feel the need to completely reinvent the show every few years. Gimme a retro Who anyday if its a fun adventure.
 
2021-09-24 9:07:15 PM  
I sincerely hope they at least inserted a "No Billie Piper/Rose Tyler" clause into his contract. I have absolutely no desire to see more of the Doctor endlessly fawning over such a profoundly unremarkable character yet again. I've had enough Rose Tyler for thirteen lifetimes at this point.
 
2021-09-24 9:08:08 PM  
Does that mean John Barrowman's going to be allowed to wave his dick around on set again?

Honestly I don't know how to feel about RTD coming back.  He was solid for a couple of years but it was such a relief when he was gone.

Still even at his worse, he's better than Chibnall.  I wouldn't mind a series with Jodie Whittaker and RTD to see what she could do with better writing but it looks like that's not going to happen.
 
2021-09-24 9:10:28 PM  

bloobeary: Can't say I'm that thrilled. It sort of speaks to the idea that the BBC can't find producers willing to attach their reputation to the show anymore. So instead of a fresh new showrunner with new ideas and a new take on the series, we're getting a retread.

After the damage inflicted by Chibnall, can't say as I'm surprised, either. They can hype it up all they want, but this is a step backwards, and it doesn't bode well for the show's future at all.


I don't think it's a lack of fresh talent. I think it's the BBC fearing change and newness.
 
2021-09-24 9:11:09 PM  

LurkerSupreme: I sincerely hope they at least inserted a "No Billie Piper/Rose Tyler" clause into his contract.


Bring her back for one episode to kill her off K9 style.  Just have her blow up for no apparent reason then everyone else gets on with the adventure.
 
2021-09-24 9:11:57 PM  

eurotrader: Hopefully Davies can make Dr.Who a good show again after the dumpster fire created  Chipnall. Whittaker could even get chance to show she knows how to act and could be a good Doctor if given a decent script.


The idea that RTD wasn't a dumpster fire is the kind of bullshiat that should be silenced by the fart of an alien that conceals their overlarge form inside of a fat human suit.

Truthman: I don't really care if they feel the need to completely reinvent the show every few years.


I wish they would. Like, radically.
 
2021-09-24 9:13:47 PM  
So we're going back to more specialest companion in the universe who wants to fark the Doctor stories again? Yeah maybe it's time to hang it up for another 15 years
 
2021-09-24 9:19:42 PM  

Snapper Carr: Does that mean John Barrowman's going to be allowed to wave his dick around on set again?

Honestly I don't know how to feel about RTD coming back.  He was solid for a couple of years but it was such a relief when he was gone.

Still even at his worse, he's better than Chibnall.  I wouldn't mind a series with Jodie Whittaker and RTD to see what she could do with better writing but it looks like that's not going to happen.


Given all the stories about set atmosphere over last year, I'm surprised they did this move. Like I don't think it would happen, but wouldn't be stunned if enough bad stories came out that they reversed course
 
2021-09-24 9:20:43 PM  
Hey look... they're staring to figure out that retconning woke bullshiat doesn't pay.

I'm sure many snowflakes will be triggered by this news.
 
2021-09-24 9:24:08 PM  

eurotrader: Hopefully Davies can make Dr.Who a good show again after the dumpster fire created  Chipnall. Whittaker could even get chance to show she knows how to act and could be a good Doctor if given a decent script.


Unfortunately Moffitt started the downward slide substantially
 
2021-09-24 9:25:10 PM  

Snapper Carr: Does that mean John Barrowman's going to be allowed to wave his dick around on set again?


I was surprised to see Barrowman on QI last night. A lot of his commitments have been reduced since all that became better known.

But Victoria Coren Mitchell was kind enough to mention that it was going to be Shakin' Stevens' birthday the next day, so it was easy to find out it was filmed in March, and the Noel Clarke shiat that eventually led to the backlash against Barrowman didn't happen until April.

Honestly I don't know how to feel about RTD coming back.  He was solid for a couple of years but it was such a relief when he was gone.

Still even at his worse, he's better than Chibnall.


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2021-09-24 9:26:21 PM  

WhippingBoi: Hey look... they're staring to figure out that retconning woke bullshiat doesn't pay.

I'm sure many snowflakes will be triggered by this news.


You've been shouting more nonsense and trollish behavior than normal lately... Even for you.
 
2021-09-24 9:29:14 PM  
Chibnall had to go, honestly I'm not sure it can recover after that mess.
 
2021-09-24 9:30:37 PM  

iron de havilland: Still even at his worse, he's better than Chibnall.

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You sure about that?


Love and Monsters is one of my favorite NuWho episodes.  It so mind-bogglingly stupid that I can't help but admire it.
 
2021-09-24 9:33:43 PM  

LurkerSupreme: I sincerely hope they at least inserted a "No Billie Piper/Rose Tyler" clause into his contract. I have absolutely no desire to see more of the Doctor endlessly fawning over such a profoundly unremarkable character yet again. I've had enough Rose Tyler for thirteen lifetimes at this point.


Billie Piper fan club sketch - Big Train - BBC comedy
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2021-09-24 9:35:45 PM  

iron de havilland: .

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You sure about that?


That's the thing about RTD.  His stories were mostly shiat, but his direction was fantastic.  It was amazing when he was given a good story to work with and he got the most out of the actors.  When it came to getting character interactions and development, he was great.  When it came to writing, we got farting aliens and blow job concrete slabs.

I just hope RTD gets a good stable of writers to give him good stories.
 
2021-09-24 9:36:02 PM  
Good news to me.  I think Chibnall has not been a good steward of the franchise so they are bringing Davies back.
 
2021-09-24 9:36:47 PM  

cocozilla: WhippingBoi: Hey look... they're staring to figure out that retconning woke bullshiat doesn't pay.

I'm sure many snowflakes will be triggered by this news.

You've been shouting more nonsense and trollish behavior than normal lately... Even for you.


I'll admit that last comment was mean-spirited and stupid. I've had a rough day and have been drinking.

However, apart from that, I don't think I've said anything particularly non-sensical or trollish recently (and I've NEVER indulged in trolling).
 
2021-09-24 9:44:45 PM  

Volts5000: iron de havilland: .

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You sure about that?

That's the thing about RTD.  His stories were mostly shiat, but his direction was fantastic.  It was amazing when he was given a good story to work with and he got the most out of the actors.  When it came to getting character interactions and development, he was great.  When it came to writing, we got farting aliens and blow job concrete slabs.

I just hope RTD gets a good stable of writers to give him good stories.


Yeah, the best episodes of Nu Who have been the ones written by Moffatt with RTD as showrunner. Moffatt on his own disappeared very quickly up his own arse by trying to be too clever, which you can also see in other shows he did like Sherlock.
 
2021-09-24 9:49:10 PM  

iron de havilland: Moffatt on his own disappeared very quickly up his own arse by trying to be too clever, which you can also see in other shows he did like Sherlock.


It took Moffat at least a series before he disappeared up his own arse on Sherlock. It took him like, three episodes before he clawed up himself on Doctor Who.
 
2021-09-24 9:55:01 PM  

t3knomanser: iron de havilland: Moffatt on his own disappeared very quickly up his own arse by trying to be too clever, which you can also see in other shows he did like Sherlock.

It took Moffat at least a series before he disappeared up his own arse on Sherlock. It took him like, three episodes before he clawed up himself on Doctor Who.


He wrote some of the best RTD-era stories, like Blink and Silence in the Library. Things got stupid when he was the showrunner. He needed to be reined in from some of his sillier ideas.

/Was Georgia Moffett the Doctor's daughter under RTD?
//Maybe we'll see Peter Davison's actual daughter again?
 
2021-09-24 10:02:53 PM  
Could be much worse. They could have hired JJ Abrams.
 
2021-09-24 10:07:41 PM  
They lost me by the end of Capaldi's run, but I retroactively wish I'd bailed earlier.  RTD did an awesome job of bringing back Who, but then he lost it.  I don't think he can bring it back again, and if he does, it seems likely he'll just lose it a second time.

Sad.  I watched from Pertwee forward as a kid, then went back in my 30s to watch the surviving serials of the first two Doctors, and now I care just enough to come here and complain that they stopped me caring.
 
2021-09-24 10:08:50 PM  
Maybe Doctor Who just needs a long hiatus again. Do a Christmas special each year, but otherwise just let it mellow for five years or so.
 
2021-09-24 10:10:06 PM  

Snapper Carr: Does that mean John Barrowman's going to be allowed to wave his dick around on set again?

Honestly I don't know how to feel about RTD coming back.  He was solid for a couple of years but it was such a relief when he was gone.

Still even at his worse, he's better than Chibnall.  I wouldn't mind a series with Jodie Whittaker and RTD to see what she could do with better writing but it looks like that's not going to happen.


Plus, if all the stuff that Chris said about RTD being essentially a shiatty boss is true, it seems like rewarding someone for bad behavior.

//I think the show really needs new blood from people willing to take GOOD creative risks
 
2021-09-24 10:27:54 PM  
The return of whimsy and fun?

Good.
 
2021-09-24 10:44:12 PM  

t3knomanser: iron de havilland: Moffatt on his own disappeared very quickly up his own arse by trying to be too clever, which you can also see in other shows he did like Sherlock.

It took Moffat at least a series before he disappeared up his own arse on Sherlock. It took him like, three episodes before he clawed up himself on Doctor Who.


I though that Season 5 was a pretty great season of Doctor Who that had a season long arc that actually stuck the landing pretty well.

It all went downhill from there, however, with each season a little worse than the one before, with some exceptions like the 50th anniversary special and Heaven Sent.

Things really fell off a cliff with Chibnall, though. It just got really dull and forgettable. Even Roy Kent couldn't save the episodes.

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The only story that I really remember fondly of all of Whittaker's episodes was Demons of the Punjab. Maybe a few others, but all get episodes just ran together into a big giant meh because the writing and direction was so underwhelming.

I was really excited for the change with Jodie to see where it would go, and how having a female Doctor would make things exiting, but it has been really meh. The whole Timeless Child thing was a weird, awful cherry on top because it no longer made the Doctor a mediocre Time Lord who just wanted to make a difference and slowly learned how to be awesome over centuries. Making her the most specialist Time Lord ever from the start just undermined a lot to charm of the character, that idea you can be a little like the Doctor of you choose to make the world a better place and work to improve yourself.
 
2021-09-24 11:05:03 PM  

t3knomanser: iron de havilland: Moffatt on his own disappeared very quickly up his own arse by trying to be too clever, which you can also see in other shows he did like Sherlock.

It took Moffat at least a series before he disappeared up his own arse on Sherlock. It took him like, three episodes before he clawed up himself on Doctor Who.


Specifically the Weeping Angels two-parter.  They were a good one-time villain, but they're one-dimensional.  A two-parter was a terrible idea; incorporating them into Amy and Rory's farewell was just insulting.
 
2021-09-24 11:23:12 PM  
And what very slim chance there was of Christopher Eccleston returning to the Doctor Who tv series is now dead and buried.
 
2021-09-24 11:23:38 PM  

bloobeary: Can't say I'm that thrilled. It sort of speaks to the idea that the BBC can't find producers willing to attach their reputation to the show anymore. So instead of a fresh new showrunner with new ideas and a new take on the series, we're getting a retread.

After the damage inflicted by Chibnall, can't say as I'm surprised, either. They can hype it up all they want, but this is a step backwards, and it doesn't bode well for the show's future at all.


It doesn't help that they are only looking for British screenwriters and show runners. You are severely limiting your own talent pool with that little move.

Well I would like to see Jodie Whittaker get an opportunity to work with good writers, I think she is a fine actress, I think the damage is done and the die has already been cast for her version and vision of the doctor.
 
2021-09-24 11:27:25 PM  

iron de havilland: t3knomanser: iron de havilland: Moffatt on his own disappeared very quickly up his own arse by trying to be too clever, which you can also see in other shows he did like Sherlock.

It took Moffat at least a series before he disappeared up his own arse on Sherlock. It took him like, three episodes before he clawed up himself on Doctor Who.

He wrote some of the best RTD-era stories, like Blink and Silence in the Library. Things got stupid when he was the showrunner. He needed to be reined in from some of his sillier ideas.

/Was Georgia Moffett the Doctor's daughter under RTD?
//Maybe we'll see Peter Davison's actual daughter again?


I think the best thing they can do is have a massive cliffhanger and let the show go quiet for a couple of seasons, let everybody reset and dissipate any kind of Doctor Who fatigue they may be suffering and then bring the show back.
 
2021-09-24 11:55:56 PM  

rummonkey: iron de havilland: t3knomanser: iron de havilland: Moffatt on his own disappeared very quickly up his own arse by trying to be too clever, which you can also see in other shows he did like Sherlock.

It took Moffat at least a series before he disappeared up his own arse on Sherlock. It took him like, three episodes before he clawed up himself on Doctor Who.

He wrote some of the best RTD-era stories, like Blink and Silence in the Library. Things got stupid when he was the showrunner. He needed to be reined in from some of his sillier ideas.

/Was Georgia Moffett the Doctor's daughter under RTD?
//Maybe we'll see Peter Davison's actual daughter again?

I think the best thing they can do is have a massive cliffhanger and let the show go quiet for a couple of seasons, let everybody reset and dissipate any kind of Doctor Who fatigue they may be suffering and then bring the show back.


I find it kind for hard to have proper Doctor Who fatigue when they do a new season every two years or so. I can deal with a long wait for something like Better Call Saul but I don't get how Chibnall Doctor Who can take so long to make yet can be so meh when it comes out.
 
2021-09-24 11:57:04 PM  

Truthman: He helmed a pretty damned good era. I don't really care if they feel the need to completely reinvent the show every few years. Gimme a retro Who anyday if its a fun adventure.


I'm watching an episode with William Hartnell as the Doctor right now, so I'm getting a kick etc.

As for the new Doctor Who, Jodie Whittaker's Doctor is by far my favourite. From the moment she appeared on screen she brought the energy and the curiosity of the classic Doctors I grew up watching. I'm very much looking forward to see what comes next.
 
2021-09-25 12:00:26 AM  
Sorry, but I still haven't forgiven him for making Ten whine about his impeding regeneration for half the episode.
 
2021-09-25 12:23:14 AM  

iron de havilland: eurotrader: Hopefully Davies can make Dr.Who a good show again after the dumpster fire created  Chipnall. Whittaker could even get chance to show she knows how to act and could be a good Doctor if given a decent script.

Whittaker's leaving too.

And I haven't seen it, but she's apparently very good in Broadchurch.

/In other Whovian gossip, Brad Walsh has apparently been spotted in the same area as John Bishop in Cardiff, suggesting he might be reprising his role of Graham for a goodbye kinda scene.


And here's the thing:  that was a Chibnall production, if I recall, containing the third version of the First Doctor, the Tenth Doctor, and the Thirteenth Doctor.  How did the ball get dropped?  And don't tell me The Timeless Child, because that was basically just sitting there for forty years waiting to be expanded on.

Also, wasn't the whole reason Christopher Eccleston left because of Davies?  Or rather, the environment he'd allowed?
 
2021-09-25 12:23:53 AM  

iron de havilland: Snapper Carr: Does that mean John Barrowman's going to be allowed to wave his dick around on set again?

I was surprised to see Barrowman on QI last night. A lot of his commitments have been reduced since all that became better known.

But Victoria Coren Mitchell was kind enough to mention that it was going to be Shakin' Stevens' birthday the next day, so it was easy to find out it was filmed in March, and the Noel Clarke shiat that eventually led to the backlash against Barrowman didn't happen until April.

Honestly I don't know how to feel about RTD coming back.  He was solid for a couple of years but it was such a relief when he was gone.

Still even at his worse, he's better than Chibnall.

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You sure about that?


The episode still had an ELO soundtrack, so that is a big improvement over the last couple of seasons.
 
2021-09-25 12:33:05 AM  
RTD has said that he realized they have one of the Big Three scifi franchises, and they're going to seriously consider making other Whoniverse shows and movies.

Dare we hope for a side-series of the Eighth Doctor's adventures? That would be awesome.
 
2021-09-25 12:38:36 AM  

bluorangefyre: Also, wasn't the whole reason Christopher Eccleston left because of Davies?  Or rather, the environment he'd allowed?


Yes, and Eccleston has no problem with saying so when interviewed.
 
2021-09-25 12:38:55 AM  
NO NEW.

ONLY OLD.
 
2021-09-25 12:39:37 AM  

Mad_Radhu: I was really excited for the change with Jodie to see where it would go, and how having a female Doctor would make things exiting, but it has been really meh. The whole Timeless Child thing was a weird, awful cherry on top because it no longer made the Doctor a mediocre Time Lord who just wanted to make a difference and slowly learned how to be awesome over centuries. Making her the most specialist Time Lord ever from the start just undermined a lot to charm of the character, that idea you can be a little like the Doctor of you choose to make the world a better place and work to improve yourself.


Here's the thing:  it is universally agreed that Tom Baker as the Fourth Doctor was the best Doctor.  Nine Doctors later, they revisited what seemed to be a minor, throwaway thing from his Doctor, and made those images of incarnations before the First Doctor canonical.  I will give Chibnall credit for having the guts to confirm the theory.
 
2021-09-25 1:06:44 AM  
Kill off the Doctor, then bring back Tennet and Piper from that alternate reality and forget the last several years never happened?
 
2021-09-25 4:26:44 AM  
I just want some closure with the old series that will tell us what happened to Ace.
 
2021-09-25 4:49:56 AM  

Mad_Radhu: I was really excited for the change with Jodie to see where it would go, and how having a female Doctor would make things exiting, but it has been really meh. The whole Timeless Child thing was a weird, awful cherry on top because it no longer made the Doctor a mediocre Time Lord who just wanted to make a difference and slowly learned how to be awesome over centuries. Making her the most specialist Time Lord ever from the start just undermined a lot to charm of the character, that idea you can be a little like the Doctor of you choose to make the world a better place and work to improve yourself.


Yeah, at first I was cool with the Timeless Child aspect -- the Doctor being used by the Colonizing Time Lords to achieve some sort of immortality -- but now the more I think about it the more it falls into that 'every hero has to be superspecial in some innate way' that is lazy writing.  And I think a lot of it comes from fans being showrunners.   They really can't see when they're being way too stupid and silly with concepts, and are more interested in amusing themselves and their friends rather than telling good stories.

This has been a problem for a very long time with the show, even back to the John Nathan-Turner days when fans got ahold of producing the show and slowly turned it into shiat.   Somehow, being a fan of the show and being on the show only works when you're an actor:  Capaldi did a lot of cool stuff with the show and he's a big fan of it.  But the showrunners are always the ones who take it faaaaaaaaaaaaaar too seriously and ends up being uncomfortably pathetic and sad.  Either they get too involved with the continuity, or they take it to seriously weird places (like why the Doctor is always falling in love with companions who are suddenly superspecial and shiat), or they end up rewriting the same season over and over again...and again...and again and again and again.

What the show really needs is someone who knows good drama, has a taste of sci-fi, and has never been part of the fanbase EVER, especially in the '90s when a shiatload of them wrote really long novels trying to justify their fandom by making the series dark and sexy and 'more adult.'  NO MORE ANORAK WHO, GODDAMMIT.  No more fawning over Billie Piper or giving her a clone Doctor for fanwank, no more farting aliens, and no more constant bullshiat.

Just give us an enjoyable show and keep your dick in your pants when you run the goddamn show, that's all I'm asking.  But with RTD coming back, I get the feeling we're going to get more nonsense that just repeats what has been done with a lot more embarrassment like Stone Tablet Blowjobs and Farting Aliens and a very old alien flying around in a telephone box lusting after Mary Sue pop singers.  Jesus Christ.
 
2021-09-25 4:57:02 AM  

Guntram Shatterhand: the John Nathan-Turner days when fans got ahold of producing the show and slowly turned it into shiat


Hey, the last two seasons of the old show (Seventh Doctor) were some of the best in the series.
 
2021-09-25 8:35:10 AM  
Hopefully more stories about trying to pull off a successful dinner party and fewer about saving the universe. And if they insist on action scenes, have them move the plot forward in some useful way instead of being tedious bells and whistles for nothing.
 
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