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2021-09-24 10:26:28 AM  
Holy shiat.
 
2021-09-24 10:29:02 AM  
The all leads back to the Fox and the Right Wing media.
 
2021-09-24 10:29:57 AM  
Too low.
 
2021-09-24 10:30:15 AM  
And peeps keep on asking why do we need to fund help for the mentally challenged.
 
2021-09-24 10:45:20 AM  
I'll take the over on that.
 
2021-09-24 10:47:42 AM  
How can the US -- realistically -- fix that problem? How do you come back from this point?
 
2021-09-24 10:49:01 AM  
I think that's more like 21 million Americans are just a bit mentally queasy with about 65 million being truly and malevolently bananas.
 
2021-09-24 10:49:49 AM  

bostonguy: How can the US -- realistically -- fix that problem? How do you come back from this point?


It is known that you can never go back. They even write songs to that effect.
 
2021-09-24 10:52:20 AM  
I wonder how many will not say it but still agree with it.
 
2021-09-24 10:52:53 AM  

physt: The all leads back to the Fox and the Right Wing media.


100 percent this.

Everything - literally everything - leads back to Fox.
 
2021-09-24 10:59:20 AM  

FlashHarry: physt: The all leads back to the Fox and the Right Wing media.

100 percent this.

Everything - literally everything - leads back to Fox.


And the rest of The Mighty Wurlitzer that is the right-wing noise machine.
 
2021-09-24 11:19:30 AM  
In the Age of Trump, anybody who is not mentally ill is not paying attention to what's going on.
 
2021-09-24 11:20:04 AM  
At least 21 million. There are certainly more for other reasons, those are just the politically delusional.
 
2021-09-24 11:21:55 AM  
I need to have the following demographics added.
Race
Religion
Location.
 
2021-09-24 12:05:46 PM  
That's just nuts!
 
2021-09-24 12:06:16 PM  

Dasher McHappenstance: Too low.


A big part of that is "define mentally ill" but yeah, I'm with you.
 
2021-09-24 12:07:29 PM  
Yeah, they voted for Drumpf.
 
2021-09-24 12:07:38 PM  

bostonguy: How can the US -- realistically -- fix that problem? How do you come back from this point?


Boy. If only there were some historical precedent for how to deal with millions of violent fascists.

If only.
 
2021-09-24 12:07:59 PM  

whidbey: Yeah, they voted for Drumpf.


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2021-09-24 12:08:05 PM  
Um.  Ok.

I have no idea what to do with that information.
 
2021-09-24 12:08:46 PM  

snocone: bostonguy: How can the US -- realistically -- fix that problem? How do you come back from this point?

It is known that you can never go back. They even write songs to that effect.


He knows.

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2021-09-24 12:09:18 PM  
My eyes started rolling back in my head reading that, but the statement that most of the veterans surveyed have lethal skills is a joke.
 
2021-09-24 12:09:33 PM  

bostonguy: How can the US -- realistically -- fix that problem? How do you come back from this point?


That's the question we should be focusing yet no one is.

What people are focusing on seem more "how can we turn it up and polarize people even more?"
 
2021-09-24 12:10:16 PM  

FlashHarry: physt: The all leads back to the Fox and the Right Wing media.

100 percent this.

Everything - literally everything - leads back to Fox.


Facebook. I would consider Zuckerberg as one of the most evil people on the planet at this point in time. Facebook is not inherently evil but he has let it be used that way for his own personal wealth
 
2021-09-24 12:10:45 PM  
not ill, just incapable of discerning facts from the bullshiat spoon fed to them by Fox, et al. Fox spent 40 years painting liberals as anti-American, and now we get to see the results.
 
2021-09-24 12:10:46 PM  

bostonguy: How can the US -- realistically -- fix that problem? How do you come back from this point?


We can't. We're going to have to go through. And that part is going to be unpleasant.
 
2021-09-24 12:12:31 PM  
Based on the number of people just on this site with issues, it has to be much higher than that.
 
2021-09-24 12:12:33 PM  
I guess the bigger question is what percentage of that number is willing to actively work toward violent overthrow.

Problem is, if the answer is even a fraction of a percent, that means perhaps tens of thousands of dangerously violent terrorists living among us.

I think that's probably not good.
 
2021-09-24 12:12:41 PM  
Of those 21 million that want violence, how many can run or even walk. I mean, what the f&ck are they going to do?
 
2021-09-24 12:13:16 PM  

bostonguy: How can the US -- realistically -- fix that problem? How do you come back from this point?



Stop giving ventilators to the unvaccinated.
 
2021-09-24 12:13:32 PM  
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2021-09-24 12:13:36 PM  
FTFA: "We have found that 47 million American adults - nearly 1 in 5 - agree with the statement that "the 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump and Joe Biden is an illegitimate president." Of those, 21 million also agree that "use of force is justified to restore Donald J. Trump to the presidency." "

So, less than 20%, "agree with the statement that "the 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump and Joe Biden is an illegitimate president."

And half that number, or about 10%, "agree that "use of force is justified to restore Donald J. Trump to the presidency." "

Yeah, that sounds about right. And W ended his presidency with a 27% approval rating. I don't want to get in the way of a good panic, but we're talking about a minority - yes, they're crazy and dangerous - but it's a small fraction. We're talking 10-20% here.

Bonus: COVID is hitting this segment of society approximately 8 times harder than what we'll call the 'sane' population. So, it's a small fraction of society getting smaller.
 
2021-09-24 12:13:44 PM  

bostonguy: How can the US -- realistically -- fix that problem? How do you come back from this point?


I hear that Mars has real estate that is almost free, there are no taxes and the bible is the only school book.  Free flights need to be scheduled for all the lucky people to go before a person of color moves in next door.

Problem solved.
 
2021-09-24 12:13:52 PM  
They had their shot and most of them took selfies and promoted terrible podcasts.
 
2021-09-24 12:15:30 PM  
I stopped reading fark after 8 pm and sleep better for it.
 
2021-09-24 12:17:01 PM  
COVID-19 needs to get on the stick.
At 2,000 per day it will take almost 29 years to wipe them all out (unless horse dewormer gets them first).
 
2021-09-24 12:17:04 PM  

Gin Buddy: Based on the number of people just on this site with issues, it has to be much higher than that.


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2021-09-24 12:18:10 PM  

bostonguy: How can the US -- realistically -- fix that problem? How do you come back from this point?


My maternal great aunt, Wilma Von Scotchworth, has an extremely different world view than anyone else.

TLDR: Imagine Trump but a 70 year old woman. Her reality is so divorced from ours that anyone who dares to contradict her must be trying to cheat, rob and kill her.

There's no way to fix someone who acts the way she does. The only thing that might have helped would have been an intervention years ago.

/ So, how do we fix the US? Education
 
2021-09-24 12:19:03 PM  
A four percent margin of error? Maybe they should take a few more random samples.
 
2021-09-24 12:19:10 PM  

JAYoung: COVID-19 needs to get on the stick.
At 2,000 per day it will take almost 29 years to wipe them all out (unless horse dewormer gets them first).


sociopathy is a kind of mental illness
 
2021-09-24 12:21:11 PM  
People who said force is justified to restore Trump were consistent in their insurrectionist sentiments: Of them, 90% also see Biden as illegitimate, and 68% also think force may be needed to preserve America's traditional way of life.

And as long as there are no meaningful consequences for people who commit violent acts in pursuit of overthrowing the government, they will continue to think that.
 
2021-09-24 12:22:07 PM  
You can fool some of the people all the time, and it's your job to fleece them.
 
2021-09-24 12:23:15 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: They had their shot and most of them took selfies and promoted terrible podcasts.


Nah, most of them have avoided the shot.
 
2021-09-24 12:23:38 PM  
At least. 21 million is a significant undercount.
 
2021-09-24 12:23:47 PM  
Why do people think Facebook is a good place to get their news?
Or is it not getting news so much as confirming their fears and biases?
 
2021-09-24 12:24:14 PM  
The Republican Party keeps telling their voters that Trump won -- so, of course their voters believe, if it really were true, that violence would be justified.

That's why the Big Lie is so insidious and seditious. So incredibly irresponsible-- if you can lead people to believe their democracy was stolen, they're also going to believe that violence is justified as a response  -- it's why they've been keeping all those guns -- for precisely this purpose -- a "tyrannical government" has stolen their democracy.

But it makes you wonder why they haven't gone crazy with actual violence  -- they don't actually believe the Big Lie, but it sure is comforting. It allows them to vet their feelings.
 
2021-09-24 12:25:21 PM  
First, NORC pulls together a panel of 40,000 people, called AmeriSpeak, who are representative of the entire U.S. population on dozens of characteristics, such as age, race, income, location of residence and religion. From that representative sample, NORC drew a random sample - in our case, 1,070 people.

A random sample of what they claim is a representative sample.

So they asked 1,070 people, and 8%, assuming that's rounded correctly, as few as 81 of them said this, therefore 21 million Americans are ready to hoist the black flag.

Nah.
 
2021-09-24 12:26:28 PM  

bostonguy: How can the US -- realistically -- fix that problem? How do you come back from this point?


Realistically, it won't.  Look at the crap right-wing media is feeding to these people.  Even "mainstream" derp is getting worse. A majority of elected R's, whether they believe it or not, say they believe it.  This is the GOP now.

Things could happen.
Trump could die, and the point would be moot.
A national disaster, catastrophy (war, supervolcano, etc...) could bring the nation together in purpose. (LOL)

anyway
 
2021-09-24 12:28:17 PM  

Porous Horace: Why do people think Facebook is a good place to get their news?
Or is it not getting news so much as confirming their fears and biases?


partly for the same reason people think Fark ("it's not news") is a good place to get news?
it's not getting news so much as confirming fears and biases with the added attraction of "like" counts.

if we're going to blame social media, let's
 
2021-09-24 12:28:20 PM  
The only solution is separation, and I have no idea how to do that since every state is redneckistan outside of the cities. You can't bring people back to reality when they're grown adults living in a completely imaginary universe. There's no coming back for them. The only way out is to cut them out like the cancer they are. Otherwise the entire country will continue to be held down by these third-world lunatics.
 
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