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(CNN)   If the US had kept the death rate from Covid the same as Australia or Hong Kong or South Korea, 650,000 people would be alive today   (cnn.com) divider line
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2021-09-23 12:54:41 PM  
This is Merica! We ain't living under conditions of them communist hell holes!
 
2021-09-23 1:19:43 PM  
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!
 
2021-09-23 1:22:11 PM  
Republicans killing 650k Americans thru greed, incompetence and generally being POSs is not the final number. The US had a good plan in place but fatboy and republicans decided killing Americans was their plan.
 
2021-09-23 1:42:05 PM  

eurotrader: Republicans killing 650k Americans thru greed, incompetence and generally being POSs is not the final number. The US had a good plan in place but fatboy and republicans decided killing Americans to save the economy was their plan.


Slight adjustment for ya
 
2021-09-23 2:08:29 PM  

eurotrader: Republicans killing 650k Americans thru greed, incompetence and generally being POSs is not the final number. The US had a good plan in place but fatboy and republicans decided killing Americans was their plan.


Malice is the word we are looking for here. I really wish I tried harder to get out of here. I may be too old and too poor now. Mexico is starting to look better and better, and that might be my only out...
 
2021-09-23 2:09:00 PM  
So we can be an authoritarian state, or an island nation with very dispersed population centers?

I mean certainly we could have done better.....but i don't think we are a fair comparison to either of those places.
 
2021-09-23 2:09:25 PM  
If the U.S. ____________________,
then _______ people would be alive today.

So many possibilities.
 
2021-09-23 2:09:51 PM  
Several South American countries have higher rates, as do a few countries of Europe

I'd wager that India did as well, but India cannot for a variety of reasons from poverty, disconnected regional governments, corruption, and a simple lack of resources, reliably record nearly anything.  They also have a fractured culture both political and cultural.
 
2021-09-23 2:09:53 PM  

hobnail: SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!


Because if it is, it's not American freedom, it's Naval Battle freedom.
 
2021-09-23 2:10:26 PM  
Yeah, but our death rate from drop bears, poisonous toads, even more poisonous snakes, absurdly poisonous spiders and jellyfish so poisonous you die from shock due to the pain would be much, much higher.
 
2021-09-23 2:11:24 PM  
That was never going to be an option.    These alternate universe counterfactuals are all kind of pointless.

You can't shame the country into treating the pandemic seriously.  Believe us, we have tried and tried and tried.  It hasn't worked.
 
2021-09-23 2:12:56 PM  
Channeling the worst of Norm McD:  Save the dolphins, fark the Tuna.  Right?

Ask yourself this - if COVID was killing waves of cute young white girls instead of your old fat uncle, would the national response have been different?

The answer may shock you.
 
2021-09-23 2:14:05 PM  
This thing is more deadly then the Spanish Flu because I CAN GET IT AND NOT THE SPANISH FLU.

Know why?

That's right, a vaccine.
 
2021-09-23 2:15:42 PM  

dbaggins: That was never going to be an option.    These alternate universe counterfactuals are all kind of pointless.

You can't shame the country into treating the pandemic seriously.  Believe us, we have tried and tried and tried.  It hasn't worked.


No, WE haven't. America's reasonable minority has tried. The rest, including our useless "liberal" media has been nice about it instead of naming the people directly responsible: Republicans.
 
2021-09-23 2:16:05 PM  
All they F-ing had to do was lean into one of the actual accomplishments of the Trump Administration.

/ Then again...all THAT F-ing Guy had to F-ing do was listen to Fauci.
 
2021-09-23 2:16:55 PM  
My COVID dead pool bet was 1 Million Americans.   I placed that bet last summer.  When the vaccines came out in the winter and were crazy effective I was shocked and assumed my bet was toast.    Then America managed to shock me in brand new horrible ways.

I'm going to end up having guessed low.   We passed 1 in 500 Americans killed by COVID already, and this current surge hasn't even hit the death toll peak, and the winter peak is still coming.
 
2021-09-23 2:17:05 PM  
But muh freedum!
 
2021-09-23 2:18:08 PM  
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We are the stupidest country in the world.
 
2021-09-23 2:18:35 PM  
B... b... but what about her emails?!!
 
2021-09-23 2:19:16 PM  

LineNoise: or an island nation with very dispersed population centers?


You see this a lot in threads about Scandinavia.  We can't have nice things like Scandinavia because reasons.

We can't have a low mortality rate in the US because we're not an island nation with very dispersed population centers like South Korea.

American conservatism is an exercise in denying the existence of problems, or denying that problems cannot be solved.  You just saw the latter, but we only got to this point because the bullshiat sustaining the former could not be sustained forever.
 
2021-09-23 2:20:07 PM  
Which of the following respoonses do you prefer/find most offensive:

a) Yeah, but they're American so who cares?

b) There's lots more where they came from. There's no shortage of Americans' particularly in the dumber, more ignent states.

c) They're like the Mafia. They only kill their own. And intellectuals.

d) Keep them over there, Lord.

e) At least they are not allowing Canadians in yet.

f) Over-sexed, over-paid and over-here.
 
2021-09-23 2:20:26 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: dbaggins: That was never going to be an option.    These alternate universe counterfactuals are all kind of pointless.

You can't shame the country into treating the pandemic seriously.  Believe us, we have tried and tried and tried.  It hasn't worked.

No, WE haven't. America's reasonable minority has tried. The rest, including our useless "liberal" media has been nice about it instead of naming the people directly responsible: Republicans.


I have no idea what you're talking about. Almost every couple days, there's an article on CNN about some conservative anti-vax dipshiat that died of Covid. Their pundits and talking heads push back on anti-vax talking points in interviews with Conservative Evangelical Boomer Cyclists.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/26/politi​c​s/conservatives-vaccines-donald-trump-​republicans-joe-biden/index.html
 
2021-09-23 2:20:42 PM  
Freedom is not Free

You are free to be stupid

I particularly like states that have no helmet law for motorcycles
 
2021-09-23 2:21:01 PM  

Rapmaster2000: , or denying that problems cannot can be solved


I fixed it, but I didn't tell you anything you didn't already know.
 
2021-09-23 2:21:06 PM  

Fonaibung: [Fark user image 425x582]

We are the stupidest country in the world.


Good use of an existing meme. This is what I live for.
 
2021-09-23 2:22:47 PM  

MillionDollarMo: If the U.S. ____________________,
then _______ people would be alive today.

So many possibilities.


If the US actually put a head on their beers, so, then so many people would be alive today.

I mean, it kinda works.
 
2021-09-23 2:23:22 PM  
650k?  Just wait for the next excess stat from HHS:

Between March 1, 2020, and January 2, 2021, the US experienced 2801439 deaths, 22.9% more than expected, representing 522368 excess deaths(HHS)

Lot of games being played re: (covid? not covid?) by various dead ender govs, etc. about dead enders going down, e.g., with beetus2 complications exacerbated by the covid, and let's not get to counting those fetuses dying in unvaxxed pregnant yahoos (choose life, indeed /s), or citizens without covid whose treatment for otherwise survivable conditions have been rendered fatal by the foul flush of unvaxxed hosp/ICU covid squatters, etc., etc.
 
2021-09-23 2:23:31 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Rapmaster2000: , or denying that problems cannot can be solved

I fixed it, but I didn't tell you anything you didn't already know.


who in the world are you trying to argue with, lol
 
2021-09-23 2:23:47 PM  
And if the dog didn't stop to shiat it could have caught the rabbit.
 
2021-09-23 2:25:09 PM  
650,000 people are alive today.  In fact the number is actually closer to 7.9 billion.
 
2021-09-23 2:25:59 PM  
Stupidity is doing harm to others without any advantage to yourself. (Doing harm for gain is just business.)

youngniel: Freedom is not Free

You are free to be stupid

I particularly like states that have no helmet law for motorcycles


You must love the states that allow tractors on roads.

And lawnmowers, golf carts, reclining bicycles, motorized beer coolers, and yada, yada, yada. Americans keep inventing new ways to kill themselves as health and safety regulations take a constantly greater toll.
 
2021-09-23 2:31:18 PM  

Crazy Lee: 650k?  Just wait for the next excess stat from HHS:

Between March 1, 2020, and January 2, 2021, the US experienced 2801439 deaths, 22.9% more than expected, representing 522368 excess deaths(HHS)

Lot of games being played re: (covid? not covid?) by various dead ender govs, etc. about dead enders going down, e.g., with beetus2 complications exacerbated by the covid, and let's not get to counting those fetuses dying in unvaxxed pregnant yahoos (choose life, indeed /s), or citizens without covid whose treatment for otherwise survivable conditions have been rendered fatal by the foul flush of unvaxxed hosp/ICU covid squatters, etc., etc.


Username checks out
 
2021-09-23 2:31:32 PM  

aungen: Rapmaster2000: Rapmaster2000: , or denying that problems cannot can be solved

I fixed it, but I didn't tell you anything you didn't already know.

who in the world are you trying to argue with, lol


Is it the funniest thing you've seen all day?
 
2021-09-23 2:31:48 PM  
Guys, stop it. Remember the golden rule?

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2021-09-23 2:33:25 PM  
Covid has now killed more people than died in the US Civil War -- both sides.

Covid has now killed more military personnel than World War 2's list of fatalities and wounded.

Covid has now killed more than twice as many Americans than died (military) in the following wars

World War I
Vietnam War
Korean War
American Revolutionary War
War of 1812
Mexican-American War
Iraq War
Philippine-American War
Spanish-American War
War in Afghanistan
Second Seminole War
Northwest Indian War
Creek War
Quasi-War
North Russia Campaign
American Expeditionary Force Siberia
Great Sioux War
Black Hawk War
Gulf War
Beirut deployment
Rogue River Wars
Other actions against pirates
Mexican Revolution
Chinese Civil War
United States occupation of Nicaragua
Occupation of Haiti
Nez Perce War
Boxer Rebellion
Red Cloud's War
(Little Crow's War)
Intervention against the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria
First Barbary War
Bay of Pigs Invasion
Samoan crisis
Modoc War
First Seminole War
Dominican Republic
Somalia
Cayuse War
Invasion of Panama
Persian Gulf escorts
El Salvador Civil War
Coeur d'Alene War
Ghost Dance War
Yakima War
USS Liberty incident
U.S.S.R. Cold War
Berlin Blockade
Snake Indian War
Third Seminole War
Cuban Missile Crisis
Operation Provide Comfort
Invasion of Grenada
Kosovo War
China Cold War
Ute War
Second Opium War
Bosnian War
Bannock War
Iran
Colombia
Pillager Band of Chippewa Indians
Greek Civil War
1958 Lebanon crisis
Shimonoseki Straits
Nuka Hiva Campaign
Haiti
Korea (Shinmiyangyo)
Chesapeake-Leopard affair
First Sumatran Expedition
1986 Bombing of Libya
Sheepeater Indian War
Santo Domingo Affair
Raid on Yemen
Sugar Point
Second Barbary War
Indian Wars
Dakota War of 1862
China
COMBINED.In just two years.If covid deaths were a US state, they'd outnumber both Montana and Vermont.In just two years.
 
2021-09-23 2:37:41 PM  

LineNoise: So we can be an authoritarian state, or an island nation with very dispersed population centers?

I mean certainly we could have done better.....but i don't think we are a fair comparison to either of those places.


If the US followed what NZ did, we'd have 1,630 deaths or so. The dispersed population centers is a meaningless claim. People in NZ are no different than people in the US: most people live in urban areas. Most urban areas either in the US or NZ don't have people packed 24/7 within 6 feet of each other. New Zealanders just followed the directives of the government: mask up, socially distance, and take the vaccine. Oh, and they stopped entry from many plague-rat places, and quarantine otherwise.
 
2021-09-23 2:42:42 PM  

Rapmaster2000: aungen: Rapmaster2000: Rapmaster2000: , or denying that problems cannot can be solved

I fixed it, but I didn't tell you anything you didn't already know.

who in the world are you trying to argue with, lol

Is it the funniest thing you've seen all day?


that dothemath and noitsnot argument was funnier, but the funniest has been something at work.  A manager lost his mind because he sent the spreadsheet calculating profits on a program to the customer.
 
2021-09-23 2:42:52 PM  

dericwater: LineNoise: So we can be an authoritarian state, or an island nation with very dispersed population centers?

I mean certainly we could have done better.....but i don't think we are a fair comparison to either of those places.

If the US followed what NZ did, we'd have 1,630 deaths or so. The dispersed population centers is a meaningless claim. People in NZ are no different than people in the US: most people live in urban areas. Most urban areas either in the US or NZ don't have people packed 24/7 within 6 feet of each other. New Zealanders just followed the directives of the government: mask up, socially distance, and take the vaccine. Oh, and they stopped entry from many plague-rat places, and quarantine otherwise.


Mississippi just took the lead in the death rate by state:  https://www.statista.com/stat​istics/11​09011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-​us-by-state/

This is probably due to it's densely populated urban centers of Tupelo and Hattiesburg.
 
2021-09-23 2:44:55 PM  

dericwater: LineNoise: So we can be an authoritarian state, or an island nation with very dispersed population centers?

I mean certainly we could have done better.....but i don't think we are a fair comparison to either of those places.

If the US followed what NZ did, we'd have 1,630 deaths or so. The dispersed population centers is a meaningless claim. People in NZ are no different than people in the US: most people live in urban areas. Most urban areas either in the US or NZ don't have people packed 24/7 within 6 feet of each other. New Zealanders just followed the directives of the government: mask up, socially distance, and take the vaccine. Oh, and they stopped entry from many plague-rat places, and quarantine otherwise.


Yeah we can't compare ourselves to the population sparse extremely rural village of Seoul or anything. Seoul is so sparse that its population density is only double that of New York! Could you imagine living in an less dense area than that? It would be like being the only person living on the moon.
 
2021-09-23 2:45:48 PM  

dbaggins: My COVID dead pool bet was 1 Million Americans.   I placed that bet last summer.  When the vaccines came out in the winter and were crazy effective I was shocked and assumed my bet was toast.    Then America managed to shock me in brand new horrible ways.

I'm going to end up having guessed low.   We passed 1 in 500 Americans killed by COVID already, and this current surge hasn't even hit the death toll peak, and the winter peak is still coming.


It also depends on how one were to determine the "end" of COVID. It could very well be that COVID never ends and we'll have 1,000-10,000 or so die every year, like the flu and other diseases. Let's put the end of February 2022 as the end date, barring another obvious wave. So that's 4.25 months away. Some states have managed to bring and keep down the number of new cases and deaths. Some states have just decided to let things get out of hand. Right now, we're doing 2,000 deaths per day. 4.25 months is 130 days....
 
2021-09-23 2:46:03 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Covid has now killed more people than died in the US Civil War -- both sides.

Covid has now killed more military personnel than World War 2's list of fatalities and wounded.

Covid has now killed more than twice as many Americans than died (military) in the following wars

World War I
Vietnam War
Korean War
American Revolutionary War
War of 1812
Mexican-American War
Iraq War
Philippine-American War
Spanish-American War
War in Afghanistan
Second Seminole War
Northwest Indian War
Creek War
Quasi-War
North Russia Campaign
American Expeditionary Force Siberia
Great Sioux War
Black Hawk War
Gulf War
Beirut deployment
Rogue River Wars
Other actions against pirates
Mexican Revolution
Chinese Civil War
United States occupation of Nicaragua
Occupation of Haiti
Nez Perce War
Boxer Rebellion
Red Cloud's War
(Little Crow's War)
Intervention against the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria
First Barbary War
Bay of Pigs Invasion
Samoan crisis
Modoc War
First Seminole War
Dominican Republic
Somalia
Cayuse War
Invasion of Panama
Persian Gulf escorts
El Salvador Civil War
Coeur d'Alene War
Ghost Dance War
Yakima War
USS Liberty incident
U.S.S.R. Cold War
Berlin Blockade
Snake Indian War
Third Seminole War
Cuban Missile Crisis
Operation Provide Comfort
Invasion of Grenada
Kosovo War
China Cold War
Ute War
Second Opium War
Bosnian War
Bannock War
Iran
Colombia
Pillager Band of Chippewa Indians
Greek Civil War
1958 Lebanon crisis
Shimonoseki Straits
Nuka Hiva Campaign
Haiti
Korea (Shinmiyangyo)
Chesapeake-Leopard affair
First Sumatran Expedition
1986 Bombing of Libya
Sheepeater Indian War
Santo Domingo Affair
Raid on Yemen
Sugar Point
Second Barbary War
Indian Wars
Dakota War of 1862
China
COMBINED.In just two years.If covid deaths were a US state, they'd outnumber both Montana and Vermont.In just two years.


I see you left out the War on Christmas. Your bias is showing.
 
2021-09-23 2:47:14 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: Yeah we can't compare ourselves to the population sparse extremely rural village of Seoul or anything. Seoul is so sparse that its population density is only double that of New York! Could you imagine living in an less dense area than that? It would be like being the only person living on the moon.


So you know how South Korea had success? Through contact tracing.

They didn't ask their citizens if they would register an app and track their movements and whatever. You got covid, they just farking pulled your data, your bank info, etc, and compared it to everyone elses to see who you might have come into contact with, to notify them, check their contacts, etc. You violated quarantine, they pinched you through that as well.

You want the US government to have that power?
 
2021-09-23 2:47:30 PM  

king of vegas: Crazy Lee: 650k?  Just wait for the next excess stat from HHS:

Between March 1, 2020, and January 2, 2021, the US experienced 2801439 deaths, 22.9% more than expected, representing 522368 excess deaths(HHS)

Lot of games being played re: (covid? not covid?) by various dead ender govs, etc. about dead enders going down, e.g., with beetus2 complications exacerbated by the covid, and let's not get to counting those fetuses dying in unvaxxed pregnant yahoos (choose life, indeed /s), or citizens without covid whose treatment for otherwise survivable conditions have been rendered fatal by the foul flush of unvaxxed hosp/ICU covid squatters, etc., etc.

Username checks out


all ya got?  See, in The Wild Bunch, last line Bo Hopkins "Clarence 'crazy' Lee has?  "you can kiss my sister's black cat's ass"
 
2021-09-23 2:48:21 PM  

dericwater: LineNoise: So we can be an authoritarian state, or an island nation with very dispersed population centers?

I mean certainly we could have done better.....but i don't think we are a fair comparison to either of those places.

If the US followed what NZ did, we'd have 1,630 deaths or so. The dispersed population centers is a meaningless claim. People in NZ are no different than people in the US: most people live in urban areas. Most urban areas either in the US or NZ don't have people packed 24/7 within 6 feet of each other. New Zealanders just followed the directives of the government: mask up, socially distance, and take the vaccine. Oh, and they stopped entry from many plague-rat places, and quarantine otherwise.


Some conservatives still cling to the hope of covid being a hoax.
 
2021-09-23 2:49:59 PM  

LineNoise: Shakin_Haitian: Yeah we can't compare ourselves to the population sparse extremely rural village of Seoul or anything. Seoul is so sparse that its population density is only double that of New York! Could you imagine living in an less dense area than that? It would be like being the only person living on the moon.

So you know how South Korea had success? Through contact tracing.

They didn't ask their citizens if they would register an app and track their movements and whatever. You got covid, they just farking pulled your data, your bank info, etc, and compared it to everyone elses to see who you might have come into contact with, to notify them, check their contacts, etc. You violated quarantine, they pinched you through that as well.

You want the US government to have that power?


Well, you could have said that instead of the "lol population density" post.
 
2021-09-23 2:50:21 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: This thing is more deadly then the Spanish Flu because I CAN GET IT AND NOT THE SPANISH FLU.

Know why?

That's right, a vaccine.


Well, that and the actual strain of the flu responsible for the Spanish Flu no longer exists (unless there are remnants of it laying dormant somewhere in a perfectly conditioned area to preserve it).
 
2021-09-23 2:50:40 PM  

LineNoise: Shakin_Haitian: Yeah we can't compare ourselves to the population sparse extremely rural village of Seoul or anything. Seoul is so sparse that its population density is only double that of New York! Could you imagine living in an less dense area than that? It would be like being the only person living on the moon.

So you know how South Korea had success? Through contact tracing.

They didn't ask their citizens if they would register an app and track their movements and whatever. You got covid, they just farking pulled your data, your bank info, etc, and compared it to everyone elses to see who you might have come into contact with, to notify them, check their contacts, etc. You violated quarantine, they pinched you through that as well.

You want the US government to have that power?


They already do.  Get on a terrorism watch list and watch how fast every bit of that info gets turned over to the Feds.  (Offer void if light skinned)

Unvaccinated people wandering around with COVID and infecting others?  Given that COVID has killed far more Americans than Islamic terrorism ever has perhaps we should be doing all that.
 
2021-09-23 2:52:21 PM  

Rapmaster2000: dericwater: LineNoise: So we can be an authoritarian state, or an island nation with very dispersed population centers?

I mean certainly we could have done better.....but i don't think we are a fair comparison to either of those places.

If the US followed what NZ did, we'd have 1,630 deaths or so. The dispersed population centers is a meaningless claim. People in NZ are no different than people in the US: most people live in urban areas. Most urban areas either in the US or NZ don't have people packed 24/7 within 6 feet of each other. New Zealanders just followed the directives of the government: mask up, socially distance, and take the vaccine. Oh, and they stopped entry from many plague-rat places, and quarantine otherwise.

Mississippi just took the lead in the death rate by state:  https://www.statista.com/stati​stics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-deat​h-rates-us-by-state/

This is probably due to its densely populated urban centers of Tupelo and Hattiesburg.


I'm assuming you're making a joke. Tupelo population density: 595/sqmi. Compare that to San Francisco at 18,634/sqmi, a bit more than 30x the density. Hattiesburg is slightly more dense than Tupelo at 858/sqmi. The population density of Auckland, NZ, is 6,300/sqmi, about 10x that of Tupelo.
 
2021-09-23 2:53:06 PM  

LineNoise: Shakin_Haitian: Yeah we can't compare ourselves to the population sparse extremely rural village of Seoul or anything. Seoul is so sparse that its population density is only double that of New York! Could you imagine living in an less dense area than that? It would be like being the only person living on the moon.

So you know how South Korea had success? Through contact tracing.

They didn't ask their citizens if they would register an app and track their movements and whatever. You got covid, they just farking pulled your data, your bank info, etc, and compared it to everyone elses to see who you might have come into contact with, to notify them, check their contacts, etc. You violated quarantine, they pinched you through that as well.

You want the US government to have that power?


Nothing can be done to solve the problem.  We just can't do it, so do nothing.
 
2021-09-23 2:53:06 PM  
Crazy how a hoax can do that
 
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