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(ieee spectrum)   VR guru asks if hardware manufacturers should be required to update firmware in perpetuity, with a portion of device price dedicated to update servers. "If that keeps them out of the landfill, I'd say yes: The benefits easily outweigh the costs"   (spectrum.ieee.org) divider line
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2021-09-23 1:47:59 PM  
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I mean, Moore's law is failing. It's probably time to actually talk about this and get back to optimizing code, instead of relying on improved hardware performance to brute force by bad coding.

Combine it with discrete component replacement and right to repair, and there's no real reason it's not feasible.
 
2021-09-23 1:58:11 PM  
4 votes:
I'd go for a nice compromise - set a minimum amount of time your are required to support it. Let's say 10 years.  Allow for a review process the manufacturer can go through to end it early, submitted to the FTC or whatever governing body this gets stuck on.  This has to be for valid reasons, though, like if it is entirely unfeasible to maintain it for some reason.

But if support ends, then the means to support it need to be made public, so the Open Source crowd can support it if they choose.
 
2021-09-23 2:09:53 PM  
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I don't agree with a forever mandate.  I do agree with requiring security updates for the reasonable lifespan for the device.  Defining what is a "reasonable lifespan" might be a pain and subject to later tweaking, but at least it would codify how long we should expect our equipment to work.

For most classes of internet connected devices, ten years of security updates should be the minimum, IMO.
 
2021-09-23 2:21:28 PM  
4 votes:
Either we need a very, very good recycling system - which we do not have - or hardware needs to be supported and expected to last much longer. Just from a pure environmental perspective. 10 years would be great.

I know a lot of those 10 year old things can still run if you use some lightweight Linux variant. I've extended laptops lifetimes by several years doing that.

As for VR stuff, both major VR manufacturers basically DRM their stuff. Oculus and HTC. The user should be able to modify and run it without proprietary software. Like a computer - a Mac or Windows box can run Linux. From what I understand, the way they are made now is like phones, where they brick themselves if you do something the manufacturer doesn't like. That practice, in both phones and VR, should be absolutely illegal.
 
2021-09-23 1:29:04 PM  
2 votes:
"in perpetuity"? No, your $100 purchase doesn't guarantee you 50 years of support. 10 years, maybe. Tech changes fast, I couldn't imagine expecting support for my old Atari 800.
 
2021-09-23 1:31:00 PM  
2 votes:
I've found it's more fun to work on older systems then newer ones. Figuring out ways to make them do new things without major changes has made me smile over the years. People don't always like that though cause if I go someone has to figure it all out and maintain it. So they throw everything out in favor of new "cloud" services. Ah well, I had my fun and got paid.
 
2021-09-23 1:53:09 PM  
2 votes:

Nimbull: I've found it's more fun to work on older systems then newer ones. Figuring out ways to make them do new things without major changes has made me smile over the years. People don't always like that though cause if I go someone has to figure it all out and maintain it. So they throw everything out in favor of new "cloud" services. Ah well, I had my fun and got paid.


Did you document what you did so that others could follow what you did?
 
2021-09-23 12:38:01 PM  
1 vote:
If you assume hardware will always support advances of firm and soft ware, no problem. All I know is I only get so many years out of a laptop before I can't use internet browsers due to upgrades I can't make.
 
2021-09-23 1:04:58 PM  
1 vote:
Maintaining old hardware that can't be replaced (or gets replaced on extremely long timelines) has put a lot of food on my table over the years.
 
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2021-09-23 2:26:01 PM  
1 vote:
I'm in the middle of repairing a Compaq Portable so I'm getting a kick out of this thread.
 
2021-09-23 5:57:24 PM  
1 vote:
My Android phone hasn't had an update since 2019. Lack of updates in the Android market makes it a biatch to develop for.
 
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