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(CNBC)   Target says it's cutting back on its seasonal holiday hires to give its full-timers more hours because what retail worker isn't already over-worked and frazzled to the bone in November and December?   (cnbc.com) divider line
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2021-09-23 12:24:33 PM  
I didn't know any retailers still had full time employees except maybe managers.
 
2021-09-23 1:31:34 PM  

Mugato: I didn't know any retailers still had full time employees except maybe managers.


Full time means benefits, which can be a huge incentive. Some states mandate paid time off if you are a full time employee. Full time could also mean set schedules which is a big incentive for folks with kids.

A set of full time employees is probably also more efficient than a larger group of part time employees, and might actually give half a damn about customer service, which makes customers happier.

Full time employees will also have a harder time interviewing elsewhere.
 
2021-09-23 1:39:16 PM  
Alternative reading: Target publicly cuts back on its seasonal hires numbers as they realize they can't come close to staffing it and instead adds shifts to current employees.
 
2021-09-23 1:50:24 PM  

Dinodork: Alternative reading: Target publicly cuts back on its seasonal hires numbers as they realize they can't come close to staffing it and instead adds shifts to current employees.


They'd have to pay the temps so much that the regular staff would demand raises.
 
2021-09-23 1:50:53 PM  
Also: Enjoy your 50 hours/week mandatory fun overtime
 
2021-09-23 1:51:25 PM  
I think Target is a $15 an hour company. I know my kid can't wait to turn 16 and work there. The restaurant he's at now is ok but the owners are slowly turning into typical MAGA's with how they want to treat the staff.
 
2021-09-23 2:17:09 PM  
My guess is that this is not unwelcome to much of the FT employees.
 
2021-09-23 2:22:22 PM  
As prior retail, I would have been thrilled to get full time hours at $15. It would have meant I wouldn't have to work another job, and that I'd have consistent income.
 
2021-09-23 2:26:40 PM  
As an ex retail employee I feel for them, it's not worth it.
 
2021-09-23 2:36:26 PM  

discoballer: As prior retail, I would have been thrilled to get full time hours at $15. It would have meant I wouldn't have to work another job, and that I'd have consistent income.


Except after the holidays they'll cut you back to your original hours so you still need to retain that second job.

I'm also a former retail worker. Nothing like a holiday season where BOTH jobs give you more hours to make you hate the farking holidays.
 
2021-09-23 2:36:44 PM  
If Target has to pay their workers $15 an hour, they're gonna make them bleed for it.  Yes, a $15 hour minimum wage is a good starting point, but that doesn't prevent a corporation from overworking their employees to make up the difference.

Businesses look at it like this: If we have to pay an employee twice as much, each one needs to do the work of two people. Whether that's physically possible or mentally sustainable doesn't even enter into it.

Work-life balance protections and vastly increased overtime pay (at least double-time. Triple-time if going over a certain level) are needed to prevent this kind of abuse of workers.

/I'd love to see a 32-hour work week mandated by law, but it's not going to happen in my lifetime.
 
2021-09-23 2:37:54 PM  

Klivian: Mugato: I didn't know any retailers still had full time employees except maybe managers.

Full time means benefits, which can be a huge incentive. Some states mandate paid time off if you are a full time employee. Full time could also mean set schedules which is a big incentive for folks with kids.

A set of full time employees is probably also more efficient than a larger group of part time employees, and might actually give half a damn about customer service, which makes customers happier.

Full time employees will also have a harder time interviewing elsewhere.


Well I know working full time is better, I'm just saying that I do web design for a few major theme parks and I know some of the cats who work there and even the supervisors can only work part time, with no benefits. Some of them previously worked for retail stores and it was the same deal. I thought only scumbags like Wal*Mart had business practices like that but I was wrong.
 
2021-09-23 2:45:32 PM  

Poegressive: /I'd love to see a 32-hour work week mandated by law, but it's not going to happen in my lifetime.


I think the Government is the holdout here. The demand for butts in chairs, regardless of if there's work, is endemic.

The Government would have to confess that they're not using taxpayer dollars effectively.

Hell, I can prove it right now. The uniforms outside my office had a birthday party for one of their Airmen. It started at 1130h. They're still there, over two hours later.

/I needed a break from the damn paperwork.
//You can definitely judge me for this.
 
2021-09-23 2:51:05 PM  

Poegressive: If Target has to pay their workers $15 an hour, they're gonna make them bleed for it.  Yes, a $15 hour minimum wage is a good starting point, but that doesn't prevent a corporation from overworking their employees to make up the difference.

Businesses look at it like this: If we have to pay an employee twice as much, each one needs to do the work of two people. Whether that's physically possible or mentally sustainable doesn't even enter into it.

Work-life balance protections and vastly increased overtime pay (at least double-time. Triple-time if going over a certain level) are needed to prevent this kind of abuse of workers.

/I'd love to see a 32-hour work week mandated by law, but it's not going to happen in my lifetime.


Dude, like, 2 years ago, we were told 15 bucks an hour is a living wage.

give it a few before you move on to 45.
 
2021-09-23 3:19:22 PM  

Poegressive: If Target has to pay their workers $15 an hour, they're gonna make them bleed for it.  Yes, a $15 hour minimum wage is a good starting point, but that doesn't prevent a corporation from overworking their employees to make up the difference.

Businesses look at it like this: If we have to pay an employee twice as much, each one needs to do the work of two people. Whether that's physically possible or mentally sustainable doesn't even enter into it.

Work-life balance protections and vastly increased overtime pay (at least double-time. Triple-time if going over a certain level) are needed to prevent this kind of abuse of workers.

/I'd love to see a 32-hour work week mandated by law, but it's not going to happen in my lifetime.


um when you're paid hourly the more time you work the more money you cost. There's no two for the price of one unless they're salaried and are paid the same regardless of hours worked. In that case, you can force one person to work more hours and be as productive as two people but cost half as much. Making one hourly worker to the work of two hourly workers (assuming it takes twice the time), at a minimum, costs the same as two workers.
 
2021-09-23 3:30:13 PM  
Target did more than the Democrats and Joe Biden.
They made $15 an hour their minimum wage.
I'm from Northeast Pa. and there are considerably worse jobs even factory jobs that don't pay that well.
Stay away from Trumpers and right-wing bosses though if you can help it. They think they own your life for minimum wage.
 
2021-09-23 3:36:48 PM  
Reminds me of going to my boss after not having a raise for like 5 years and finally asking for one. To which he replied, "How much overtime you getting? I can get you a few more hours a week."
 
2021-09-23 5:13:35 PM  
I used to work at a rural Target, and during the summer when business was slow people were lucky to get scheduled 12-18 hours a week. I don't know their current policy, but back then you had to average 30 hours a week for the year to qualify for health insurance, so people were kept desperate to work any hours they could when business picked up.
 
2021-09-23 6:39:30 PM  
I'm doing my part. Haven't been in a Target in six years.
 
2021-09-23 6:46:57 PM  

sinner4ever: Target did more than the Democrats and Joe Biden.



Tell me you don't know how the government works without saying "I don't know how the government works"
 
2021-09-23 7:03:44 PM  
Why aren't these employees full-time already? Had they previously cut their hours going into the holidays or something?
 
2021-09-23 7:05:58 PM  

chasd00: Poegressive: If Target has to pay their workers $15 an hour, they're gonna make them bleed for it.  Yes, a $15 hour minimum wage is a good starting point, but that doesn't prevent a corporation from overworking their employees to make up the difference.

Businesses look at it like this: If we have to pay an employee twice as much, each one needs to do the work of two people. Whether that's physically possible or mentally sustainable doesn't even enter into it.

Work-life balance protections and vastly increased overtime pay (at least double-time. Triple-time if going over a certain level) are needed to prevent this kind of abuse of workers.

/I'd love to see a 32-hour work week mandated by law, but it's not going to happen in my lifetime.

um when you're paid hourly the more time you work the more money you cost. There's no two for the price of one unless they're salaried and are paid the same regardless of hours worked. In that case, you can force one person to work more hours and be as productive as two people but cost half as much. Making one hourly worker to the work of two hourly workers (assuming it takes twice the time), at a minimum, costs the same as two workers.


You know how it works when people get laid off and everyone else still there has to do more work at the same pay without an allowance for overtime?  It's like that.  Bad managers will feel entitled to overwork employees because they are being paid more than just peanuts and corporate is always pressuring from above to limit overall labor costs.

It's not "Making one hourly worker to the work of two hourly workers (assuming it takes twice the time), at a minimum, costs the same as two workers."
It'll be: Make one hourly worker at $15 do the work of two $7.25 hourly workers (in the same amount of time), and if they can't keep up, toss 'em out for someone who will work hard enough to make their eyeballs bleed.
 
2021-09-23 7:37:18 PM  

Poegressive: If Target has to pay their workers $15 an hour, they're gonna make them bleed for it.  Yes, a $15 hour minimum wage is a good starting point, but that doesn't prevent a corporation from overworking their employees to make up the difference.

Businesses look at it like this: If we have to pay an employee twice as much, each one needs to do the work of two people. Whether that's physically possible or mentally sustainable doesn't even enter into it.

Work-life balance protections and vastly increased overtime pay (at least double-time. Triple-time if going over a certain level) are needed to prevent this kind of abuse of workers.

/I'd love to see a 32-hour work week mandated by law, but it's not going to happen in my lifetime.


Most people need more than 32 hours a week to get by.
 
2021-09-23 7:39:27 PM  
I've worked seasonal Target as well as overnight.  Not a bad experience.  I got 34 hours or less so I didn't have a chance of becoming full time at 40.  If they asked me to stay late, they'd tell me to GTFO at 38 even if they could use another hour and a half.

Full time, I can't name one person who was full-time.  Not one person I worked with.  15% increase is 39.1 hours, not full time.

I'm not sure we're all on the same page here.  A full time worker with overtime and a part-timer with a few extra hours is a big farking difference.
 
2021-09-23 8:18:23 PM  

Flashlight: Poegressive: If Target has to pay their workers $15 an hour, they're gonna make them bleed for it.  Yes, a $15 hour minimum wage is a good starting point, but that doesn't prevent a corporation from overworking their employees to make up the difference.

Businesses look at it like this: If we have to pay an employee twice as much, each one needs to do the work of two people. Whether that's physically possible or mentally sustainable doesn't even enter into it.

Work-life balance protections and vastly increased overtime pay (at least double-time. Triple-time if going over a certain level) are needed to prevent this kind of abuse of workers.

/I'd love to see a 32-hour work week mandated by law, but it's not going to happen in my lifetime.

Most people need more than 32 hours a week to get by.


The point, presumably, is to work 32 hours and be able to afford to work 32 hours, and live your damned life.  It's not to have a 32 hour week so you have 3 days to work a side hustle.
 
2021-09-23 8:23:17 PM  

Poegressive: Bad managers will feel entitled to overwork employees because they are being paid more than just peanuts and corporate is always pressuring from above to limit overall labor costs.


Have heard more stories from the distribution sides of WMT and Target, but they also overwork the shiat out of the exempt/salaried mid-level managers.  Who, yay, get full-time benefits, but are at the DC 70+ hours a week, barely making more per hour than the peons.  I wonder if that is partially to make them pissy and resent the hourly workers and so trickle down the corporate abuse.
 
2021-09-23 9:59:32 PM  

TheSubjunctive: Poegressive: Bad managers will feel entitled to overwork employees because they are being paid more than just peanuts and corporate is always pressuring from above to limit overall labor costs.

Have heard more stories from the distribution sides of WMT and Target, but they also overwork the shiat out of the exempt/salaried mid-level managers.  Who, yay, get full-time benefits, but are at the DC 70+ hours a week, barely making more per hour than the peons.  I wonder if that is partially to make them pissy and resent the hourly workers and so trickle down the corporate abuse.


I'd be surprised if this weren't true.  But, you can't add 15% more hours to a 70 hour/week employee.  I mean, you can basically insist they quit but that's really the only offer on the table.
 
2021-09-23 10:15:57 PM  
One of the boys works at Kroger.
12.50/hr.
After a year,.and you work more than 22 hours on average, you vet health insurance.

Clutch your pearls..
500 deductable, blue cross wrong shield, dental and vision.. $7/ week. Union or non Union member.
 
2021-09-23 10:27:37 PM  

Dinodork: Alternative reading: Target publicly cuts back on its seasonal hires numbers as they realize they can't come close to staffing it and instead adds shifts to current employees.


That's probably going to be the case with every retail chain this year. And UPS/FedEx.
 
2021-09-23 11:49:08 PM  

nytmare: Dinodork: Alternative reading: Target publicly cuts back on its seasonal hires numbers as they realize they can't come close to staffing it and instead adds shifts to current employees.

That's probably going to be the case with every retail chain this year. And UPS/FedEx.


My guess is that they know the supply chains are farked and there won't be much to sell anyway.
 
2021-09-24 10:16:36 AM  
I've worked at two prior jobs that played games with the "full time" nonsense.

The first was Wal-mart, which considered you to be "full time" if you were working 28 hours or more each week. Seriously, 28 hours was the threshold. If you got scheduled for 28 hours and complained about not getting enough work, they'd look at you like you were silly: "You're working FULL TIME - what is the problem?" And that 28 hours was never set in stone, because they'd always be cutting people to go home here and there on random days of the week.

The second was at Cracker Barrel restaurant. You had to maintain an average of 32 hours a week each month to keep the health insurance, and if you ever dropped below that for a month you were cut from health insurance and couldn't get back on for the rest of the year unless you had a qualifying event. This coincided with January through March being the slowest months of the year (right after the holidays, Jan & Feb were slow for travel). The managers would play games where they would split employees into about 3 different groups and they would short-schedule one group for the month of January to get them kicked off the health insurance. Then it would be a different group in Feb, so on and so forth. You could be working a semi-regular schedule and then one month you'd find your hours cut to about 25 a week for no reason while others were picking up your shifts. Do this for 2-3 weeks and you are boned for the month, below the 32-hour average for the month, and your health insurance is cut. They would do this EVERY. SINGLE. WINTER. to cut as many people off health insurance as they could.
 
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