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(Mediaite)   Congresswoman calls the Biden administration's use of whips on Haitian refugees "worse than slavery". Pretty sure slavery got a lot worse than that, even if the current situation is unacceptable   (mediaite.com) divider line
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2021-09-23 9:36:01 AM  
FTFA: worse than what we witnessed in slavery

Is Maxine Waters, like, 200 years old?
 
2021-09-23 10:06:57 AM  
'Worse than?' Nope. Sorry.

'Reminiscent of?' Absolutely.
 
MFK
2021-09-23 10:07:27 AM  
TIL that the Border Patrol which was staffed up exclusively with racists during the last 4 years is "the Biden Administration"
 
2021-09-23 10:07:29 AM  
Only worse in the sense in should know better now.
 
2021-09-23 10:07:33 AM  
"the Biden administration's use of whips on Haitian refugees"

lolwut
 
2021-09-23 10:07:42 AM  
I agree that the Border Patrol is awful, and I would love to see a video of these specific assholes getting bucked by the horse with their head getting cracked against a sharp rock.

But this isn't even remotely slavery.  Maybe put yourself in timeout, Maxine.
 
2021-09-23 10:07:58 AM  

JolobinSmokin: Only worse in the sense in should know better now.


I must have had a stroke.

Only worse in the sense we should know better now.
 
2021-09-23 10:08:15 AM  
Republicans unsure how to react to this.
 
2021-09-23 10:09:35 AM  
Separating children from families is policy. Whipping people from horseback is behavior.

No, the BSAB turd will not float here.
 
2021-09-23 10:10:05 AM  
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2021-09-23 10:10:30 AM  

MFK: TIL that the Border Patrol which was staffed up exclusively with racists during the last 4 years is "the Biden Administration"


The Biden administration not purging DHS is a bad sign.  Remember the various tac teams they deployed against protesters last year?

Seems to me those folks just self-identified as people willing to assault and murder their fellow Americans.  You'd assume they would all be fired post-haste, unless that's a selling point for their continued employment.
 
2021-09-23 10:11:11 AM  

MFK: TIL that the Border Patrol which was staffed up exclusively with racists during the last 4 years is "the Biden Administration"


And also that the judge who ruled Biden couldn't change CBP policy was appointed by Biden via time machine.
 
2021-09-23 10:11:52 AM  
I don't think those are whips. I believe those are the reins used to control the horse.

It still looks really bad...
 
2021-09-23 10:11:53 AM  
I was under the impression that the Border Patrol were basically doing their own thing regardless of the President's directives as its director has decided he is no longer beholden to the administrative branch of the federal government (and curiously, the courts seem to agree).

Maybe Rep. Waters should be putting pressure on them to fall in line with the rest of the Federal government.
 
2021-09-23 10:12:25 AM  
I'll patiently wait for her to call for the defunding of the border patrol. She's obviously being quite sincere in her assessment of the situation. Right?
 
2021-09-23 10:12:41 AM  

X-boxershorts: I don't think those are whips. I believe those are the reins used to control the horse.

It still looks really bad...


When you're splitting hairs on what is being used to whip Black folks, you're not winning.
 
2021-09-23 10:12:42 AM  

Markus5: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 196x196]


Why are you posting it like that, with the 'h' right in front?
 
2021-09-23 10:13:07 AM  
I am sure the other side never uses hyperbole in any form. Therefore she is wrong and should shut up and think about what she has done. This is fine.
 
2021-09-23 10:13:18 AM  

bthom37: MFK: TIL that the Border Patrol which was staffed up exclusively with racists during the last 4 years is "the Biden Administration"

The Biden administration not purging DHS is a bad sign.  Remember the various tac teams they deployed against protesters last year?

Seems to me those folks just self-identified as people willing to assault and murder their fellow Americans.  You'd assume they would all be fired post-haste, unless that's a selling point for their continued employment.


Government employment rules/laws prevent "purging" employees. That is why Trump wasn't able to F things up day 1 and it took him a few years.
 
2021-09-23 10:13:24 AM  
And I thought it would be Shelia Jackson-Lee.
 
2021-09-23 10:14:19 AM  

GardenWeasel: bthom37: MFK: TIL that the Border Patrol which was staffed up exclusively with racists during the last 4 years is "the Biden Administration"

The Biden administration not purging DHS is a bad sign.  Remember the various tac teams they deployed against protesters last year?

Seems to me those folks just self-identified as people willing to assault and murder their fellow Americans.  You'd assume they would all be fired post-haste, unless that's a selling point for their continued employment.

Government employment rules/laws prevent "purging" employees. That is why Trump wasn't able to F things up day 1 and it took him a few years.


Yes, there are definitely no ways to fark with government employees and drive them to quit.
 
2021-09-23 10:14:29 AM  
OK, Maxine -- but that's an especially irresponsible coming from you who knows that this factually untrue.

You're better than that -- no, it's not above criticism even slightly, but that statement is alot of overreach.

I seriously was expecting Ted Cruz or someone to have said that.
 
2021-09-23 10:14:38 AM  

bthom37: X-boxershorts: I don't think those are whips. I believe those are the reins used to control the horse.

It still looks really bad...

When you're splitting hairs on what is being used to whip Black folks, you're not winning.


I'm not splitting hairs, I've only seen photographs. Get me a video showing the CBP actually using the reins to whip someone. A photograph isn't good enough.
 
2021-09-23 10:14:50 AM  
Pretty sure they're still under the direction of the last farking guy. At least in their heads and hearts anyway.
 
2021-09-23 10:15:13 AM  

X-boxershorts: bthom37: X-boxershorts: I don't think those are whips. I believe those are the reins used to control the horse.

It still looks really bad...

When you're splitting hairs on what is being used to whip Black folks, you're not winning.

I'm not splitting hairs, I've only seen photographs. Get me a video showing the CBP actually using the reins to whip someone. A photograph isn't good enough.


"But what was the CONTEXT of the police beating that child?!"
 
2021-09-23 10:15:22 AM  
You know who else liked to use hyperbole to make a point?

Yeah, she's technically wrong.  Slavery was much worse and the border agents weren't technically using whips, but were whipping people with their reins.

Still, totally unacceptable.  Let's just focus on that part for now.  The whole "getting a private company to open a facility in Gitmo for refugees" also doesn't fill me with good feelings, either.
 
2021-09-23 10:15:29 AM  
FTFA: border patrol agents on horseback were seen aggressively attempting to repel migrants back across the Rio Grande while yelling at least one obscenity.

OH
MY
GAAAWWWDD

Surely this delegitimizes the Biden presidency, Melania is now queen ms. universe, and Barron Trump's cum sock is now president.
 
2021-09-23 10:15:39 AM  
Isn't she the one that thought the mars rover could drive over to the Apollo moon landings and settle that issue once and for all?

Well, Maxine, those are actually Martian refugees coming from Saturn and the those are Mercuria border agents whipping them welcome as is common on their planet.  All video'd by Lance Armstrong from Seti Alpha 4.
 
2021-09-23 10:17:15 AM  

bthom37: X-boxershorts: bthom37: X-boxershorts: I don't think those are whips. I believe those are the reins used to control the horse.

It still looks really bad...

When you're splitting hairs on what is being used to whip Black folks, you're not winning.

I'm not splitting hairs, I've only seen photographs. Get me a video showing the CBP actually using the reins to whip someone. A photograph isn't good enough.

"But what was the CONTEXT of the police beating that child?!"


That kid had it coming. And as for his grandma, she shouldn't have mouthed off like that.
 
2021-09-23 10:17:18 AM  
Definitely cruel and not a good look, but definitely not worse than what we're aware of happened during American slavery.  Not worse than a lot of things that she's old enough to have witnessed.  Things what we still have videos of.  Rodney King got it a lot worse.
 
2021-09-23 10:17:19 AM  

MFK: TIL that the Border Patrol which was staffed up exclusively with racists during the last 4 years is "the Biden Administration"


Today I learned that the Border Patrol never had racists before Trump!
 
2021-09-23 10:17:30 AM  

Markus5: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 196x196]


What did you say? Cool wHip? Why are you putting so much emphasis on the H?
 
2021-09-23 10:17:40 AM  
What's attracting Abbott to the border is that these are black people, not brown people.  Black people are invading.

It's dangerous to cloud the issue when you have just decided to entertain your base by expanding Jim Crow to all women, voters, children, and other vulnerable groups.  French speaking blacks, vulnerable to Spanish speaking hispanics, was a dream too far a reach until now.

Abbott is sitting alone, believing only a small group appreciates the irony.  The NAACP has been aware all along.
 
2021-09-23 10:17:45 AM  

bthom37: X-boxershorts: bthom37: X-boxershorts: I don't think those are whips. I believe those are the reins used to control the horse.

It still looks really bad...

When you're splitting hairs on what is being used to whip Black folks, you're not winning.

I'm not splitting hairs, I've only seen photographs. Get me a video showing the CBP actually using the reins to whip someone. A photograph isn't good enough.

"But what was the CONTEXT of the police beating that child?!"


You can't tell if the reins are just floating out there in space at a single given moment in time or if they've been
intentionally used in a whipping motion. A photograph only shows a microsecond in time.

Video will show the full motion of the CBP on that horse.
 
2021-09-23 10:18:10 AM  

bthom37: GardenWeasel: bthom37: MFK: TIL that the Border Patrol which was staffed up exclusively with racists during the last 4 years is "the Biden Administration"

The Biden administration not purging DHS is a bad sign.  Remember the various tac teams they deployed against protesters last year?

Seems to me those folks just self-identified as people willing to assault and murder their fellow Americans.  You'd assume they would all be fired post-haste, unless that's a selling point for their continued employment.

Government employment rules/laws prevent "purging" employees. That is why Trump wasn't able to F things up day 1 and it took him a few years.

Yes, there are definitely no ways to fark with government employees and drive them to quit.


Which then goes to court and the judge says NOPE. We've seen this play out dozens of times since 2016 when Trump tried it. They have to be removed the right way.

The only success Trump admin had was "uplift the entire department to a different part of the country and force people to move or quit" scheme.
 
2021-09-23 10:18:47 AM  

Snapper Carr: I was under the impression that the Border Patrol were basically doing their own thing regardless of the President's directives as its director has decided he is no longer beholden to the administrative branch of the federal government (and curiously, the courts seem to agree).

Maybe Rep. Waters should be putting pressure on them to fall in line with the rest of the Federal government.


Sounds like an organization that needs a dismantling.
 
2021-09-23 10:19:42 AM  

X-boxershorts: bthom37: X-boxershorts: I don't think those are whips. I believe those are the reins used to control the horse.

It still looks really bad...

When you're splitting hairs on what is being used to whip Black folks, you're not winning.

I'm not splitting hairs, I've only seen photographs. Get me a video showing the CBP actually using the reins to whip someone. A photograph isn't good enough.


Fark is not your personal eroticism site.
 
2021-09-23 10:21:36 AM  

Cafe Threads: X-boxershorts: bthom37: X-boxershorts: I don't think those are whips. I believe those are the reins used to control the horse.

It still looks really bad...

When you're splitting hairs on what is being used to whip Black folks, you're not winning.

I'm not splitting hairs, I've only seen photographs. Get me a video showing the CBP actually using the reins to whip someone. A photograph isn't good enough.

Fark is not your personal eroticism site.


farking grow up. Use your goddam brain. The reins on a horse have limited reach and if used to whip someone would probably pull the horse in the direction of the whip.

Show me the whipping motion.

You Can't.
 
2021-09-23 10:21:39 AM  
FTA:
Waters likening the treatment of migrants at the border to slavery drew sharp criticism on Twitter, particularly from conservatives.

So, is this because they believe the treatment of slaves was much worse?
Or, is this because they believe the treatment of slaves was much better?


Given many conservatives' stance on how caring slave owners were, I'm not sure how to read this.
 
2021-09-23 10:21:41 AM  
As long as no one describes US-Haitian relations over the past 200 years as "offshore slavery," then everything is fine here, we're all fine now. How are you?
 
2021-09-23 10:22:12 AM  

RasIanI: OK, Maxine -- but that's an especially irresponsible coming from you who knows that this factually untrue.

You're better than that -- no, it's not above criticism even slightly, but that statement is alot of overreach.

I seriously was expecting Ted Cruz or someone to have said that.


I expect Ted to be one of the dudes on horseback
 
2021-09-23 10:22:24 AM  

bthom37: X-boxershorts: I don't think those are whips. I believe those are the reins used to control the horse.

It still looks really bad...

When you're splitting hairs on what is being used to whip Black folks, you're not winning.


No one was whipped with anything. None of the Haitians were shown being struck by the horse reins.
 
2021-09-23 10:22:40 AM  

SpecialSnowFlake: 'Worse than?' Nope. Sorry.

'Reminiscent of?' Absolutely.


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Completely unacceptable, and anyone who even hinted it would be ok should be fired immediately.

Oh and anyone that decided it was ok to follow that, instead of blowing the whistle, should be fired immediately as well.
 
2021-09-23 10:22:47 AM  

misanthropicsob: MFK: TIL that the Border Patrol which was staffed up exclusively with racists during the last 4 years is "the Biden Administration"

Today I learned that the Border Patrol never had racists before Trump!


You should google the word exclusively so you know what it means the next time you see it in a sentence.
 
2021-09-23 10:22:51 AM  
Texas is probably just doing all this to make Biden look bad
 
2021-09-23 10:23:07 AM  

RasIanI: OK, Maxine -- but that's an especially irresponsible coming from you who knows that this factually untrue.

You're better than that -- no, it's not above criticism even slightly, but that statement is alot of overreach.

I seriously was expecting Ted Cruz or someone to have said that.


Regrettably, the democratic party loves to eat their own for some reason.

Ain't nothing wrong with criticizing that situation. Ain't nothing wrong with disagreeing with a president's policies or thinking they are ineffective. But, engaging in political hyperbole, painting the actions of individuals to an administration, and using false comparisons for attention whoring sake against your own party? SMH

Say it was a human rights violation, say you have sent a letter to the president urging a change in policy and a request for the discipline of this officer. There. Reasonable, measured, governance.
 
2021-09-23 10:23:08 AM  

MFK: TIL that the Border Patrol which was staffed up exclusively with racists during the last 4 years is "the Biden Administration"


TIL that only Republican presidents have power.
 
2021-09-23 10:25:21 AM  

X-boxershorts: Cafe Threads: X-boxershorts: bthom37: X-boxershorts: I don't think those are whips. I believe those are the reins used to control the horse.

It still looks really bad...

When you're splitting hairs on what is being used to whip Black folks, you're not winning.

I'm not splitting hairs, I've only seen photographs. Get me a video showing the CBP actually using the reins to whip someone. A photograph isn't good enough.

Fark is not your personal eroticism site.

farking grow up. Use your goddam brain. The reins on a horse have limited reach and if used to whip someone would probably pull the horse in the direction of the whip.

Show me the whipping motion.

You Can't.


farking hilarious.
 
2021-09-23 10:27:35 AM  

misanthropicsob: Snapper Carr: I was under the impression that the Border Patrol were basically doing their own thing regardless of the President's directives as its director has decided he is no longer beholden to the administrative branch of the federal government (and curiously, the courts seem to agree).

Maybe Rep. Waters should be putting pressure on them to fall in line with the rest of the Federal government.

Sounds like an organization that needs a dismantling.


"While members of the national security establishment will tell you 'the real problem' is Trump and only Trump, the reality is abuse was endemic to the DHS from its very beginning, when it was weaponized for the purposes of a partisan fistfight and quickly turned its crosshairs on law-abiding Americans. It was inevitable it would someday be abused in the way we're seeing now, ever since the DHS under Bush broadened its definition of terrorism to include the vague charge of trying to 'intimidate or coerce a civilian population, to influence the policy of a government by intimidation.'

[...]

It's a similar story with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the agency whose overreach more than any other has come to symbolize Trump's protofascist rule, and which had its first birthday midway through Bush's presidency. It was under Bush, with his creation of the DHS and reorganization of the federal government to fight terrorism, that immigration was officially reenvisioned as a national security threat instead of a law enforcement issue, and that a '100 percent rate of removal for all removable aliens' became a goal.

Indeed, as Quartz's Heather Timmons pointed out, even the right-wing Heritage Foundation argued that ICE was created as a separate agency 'without a compelling reason,' something the DHS's own inspector general noted in 2005 would lead to its unnecessary bloating. One 'senior official' told the inspector general that ICE wasn't made 'with a focus on supporting a particular mission but rather on building an institutional foundation large enough to justify a new organization.'"

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/08/ge​o​rge-bush-administration-donald-trump-d​hs-ice
 
2021-09-23 10:28:54 AM  

NeoCortex42: You know who else liked to use hyperbole to make a point?

Yeah, she's technically wrong.  Slavery was much worse and the border agents weren't technically using whips, but were whipping people with their reins.

Still, totally unacceptable.  Let's just focus on that part for now.  The whole "getting a private company to open a facility in Gitmo for refugees" also doesn't fill me with good feelings, either.


Reins are used as whips, belts are used as whips, and knotted rope, and anything you can beat someone with can be known as whipping.

She actually said ". Cowboys with their reins, again, whipping Black people".  She was correct but the right wing media is twisting her words. And evidently you did not read the article.

I would say she is right, on par with slavery, because this day and age we know better than to chase black folk down on horseback.
 
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