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2021-09-22 11:54:01 AM  
I'm writing today because I've heard from so many of you were were incredibly frustrated to see the contents of the meeting leak to reporters

Tim Apple might be OK, but this Tim Cook guy can't lie worth a damn.
 
2021-09-22 11:55:39 AM  
Tyranny of the workplace.

Apple employees need a Wikileaks to help them out.
 
2021-09-22 12:52:39 PM  
I wonder if he realizes that the more you tighten your grip....the more star systems will slip through your fingers.....
 
2021-09-22 12:53:21 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Tyranny of the workplace.

Apple employees need a Wikileaks to help them out.


Sounds like things are leaking anyway, and I'm sure after this article plenty of reporters who want to make a name for themselves are offering rewards for future internal memos.

I can't wait for Apple to start their own counterintelligence group so they can cull the leakers instead of focusing on the root cause of the problem.
 
2021-09-22 12:53:46 PM  
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2021-09-22 12:53:48 PM  
I wonder what the minimum threshold to be a, "person" Cook can hear from is at Apple?

I'm guessing 7 figures at a minimum.
 
2021-09-22 12:54:07 PM  
Won't be the first time a bunch of long-time employees get marched out the door. The last time someone leaked the "do not leak" memo, every single person who did was fired the next day.
 
2021-09-22 12:54:20 PM  
This 100,000 employee cult that is 2% of GNP should get their privacy, okay? Also get to scan everything on your phone and alert the government automatically. Okay.
 
2021-09-22 12:55:09 PM  
This comes after a product launch in which most of the details of our announcements were also leaked to the press.

He does know how product launches work, right?
 
2021-09-22 12:55:36 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Tyranny of the workplace.

Apple employees need a Wikileaks to help them out.


I initially read this another way and was like..."I guess that if you're doing something that you love...then it's not really work"
 
2021-09-22 12:55:49 PM  
Every company battles leaks about future products. But the anti-Apple paid shills and brainwashed douchebags want to make a big deal out of it. Get a life or a better job.
 
2021-09-22 12:56:15 PM  
A company-wide memo or meeting will never be confidential at a place as big as Apple.
 
2021-09-22 12:57:44 PM  
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2021-09-22 12:57:48 PM  
Should have put a different combination of typos in every person's memo to identify the leaker.
 
2021-09-22 1:03:46 PM  

X-Geek: Should have put a different combination of typos in every person's memo to identify the leaker.


They probably did - and that's why news sites are very careful to redact the hell out of "quotes" because, again, this is not the first time Apple has done this (or many other companies.) Under Steve Jobs, you leaked and you were fired and if there was anything prosecutable there, they prosecuted. Apple became significantly more leaky when Cook took over as CEO, but apparently he wants that to at the very least slow down.
 
2021-09-22 1:04:27 PM  

X-Geek: Should have put a different combination of typos in every person's memo to identify the leaker.


That is probably a million dollar app idea right there.

Send out a bulk email to a group, but each email has a random small difference. An extra space between word, or an extra period after a sentence. etc.
 
2021-09-22 1:07:10 PM  
Someone saw their opportunity and gambled their job out of commitment to the bit.  I salute you and hope you remain anonymous.
 
2021-09-22 1:08:16 PM  

SpectroBoy: That is probably a million dollar app idea right there.


That app has existed for years - heck I'd wager decades. Hell, Tom Clancy used it as a plot device in the early 1990s. The traditional term was a "barium meal memo", alluding to the barium swallowing test, but Clancy's term "Canary Trap" took over.

Hell, the NBA used it!

https://www.businessinsider.com/nba-c​a​nary-trap-media-2014-12
 
2021-09-22 1:08:35 PM  
Tim Apple's time would be better spent finding a team that gives a shiat about making Apple's products intuitive, rather than just starkly aesthetic.

Steve Jobs may have been a harrowing dickhole, but he wouldn't let a product near the market until the damn thing made almost perfect sense, to the point granny could pretty much figure it out by herself.
 
2021-09-22 1:11:57 PM  
Did I ever tell any of y'all about the time I got fired from Apple for a post I made here on Fark jokingly calling every there crazy?
 
2021-09-22 1:12:24 PM  

bingethinker: Every company battles leaks about future products. But the anti-Apple paid shills and brainwashed douchebags want to make a big deal out of it. Get a life or a better job.


Here we see a screed from the 2nd most delusional iCultist on this site. Let's wait and see if #1 shows up to point out how bad Google is about something or other.
 
2021-09-22 1:14:04 PM  

bingethinker: Every company battles leaks about future products. But the anti-Apple paid shills and brainwashed douchebags want to make a big deal out of it. Get a life or a better job.


I can be anti apple without being paid. In fact if they are paying people sign me up. I've been doing this shiat for free since the 90s.
 
2021-09-22 1:15:08 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I'm writing today because I've heard from so many of you were were incredibly frustrated to see the contents of the meeting leak to reporters

Tim Apple might be OK, but this Tim Cook guy can't lie worth a damn.


Yeah, that's not the kind of lie you tell because you expect it to be believed, that's the kind of lie you tell because you expect people to pretend to believe it.  This is to break their spirits and make them more compliant.  It's a huge asshole move.
 
2021-09-22 1:23:44 PM  
Don't use your company email address to leak this and be extremely cautious about how you get the data out of their networks. Anyone who just forwards the memo to a reporter deserves to be fired on the spot simply for being a lazy moron.
 
2021-09-22 1:25:51 PM  
gee tim, i kinda thought yo were one of those "if they got nothing to hide" kinda people.
but i guess corporate secrets are both in the designs and the machinations, right?


Like how would Tim fall out on the line of;
Whistle blower acting morally to sound the alarm about sexists /racists and/or harmful to the public well being business practices being conducted by Apple?


Is that you feel following the law is what you must do, so of course keeping you honest leaks are good?
Or is that anyone that would actually have a moral backbone and would actually participate holding Apple's feet to the lawful fire, don't belong where known to be unlawful and/or unethical business practices are planned and executed with regularity?

can't have that both ways, you ether want to be all above board and anyone keeping you there is good.
Or you want no oversight and lots of secrecy to do what you know full well will not hold up to even a tiny modicum of public scrutiny.
 
2021-09-22 1:26:24 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I'm writing today because I've heard from so many of you were were incredibly frustrated to see the contents of the meeting leak to reporters

Tim Apple might be OK, but this Tim Cook guy can't lie worth a damn.


Na, he probably has. I don't get it, but damn if large companies don't have a huge amount of boot-lickers that will sell their soul to the company, and they will complain about things that make the company look bad in a very personal way.

Last company I was in, in every god damn department all hands there was one or two who would always ask the same damn question "What can we do in [department] to support the CEO's latest vision for the company." I wanted to throttle them because after having to talk to them personally, they farking meant it.
 
2021-09-22 1:28:25 PM  

PvtStash: Whistle blower acting morally to sound the alarm about sexists /racists and/or harmful to the public well being business practices being conducted by Apple?


My personal belief is that if it's serious enough to leak to the press, you damn well better report it to the cops first.  If it's not bad enough for the cops, then you quit or you're just a corporate saboteur.

But whatever you do, don't trust HR.  Odds are they will do whatever they have to in order to protect the people who pay them.  And that's not you.  If you don't own your own lawyers, just get out.
 
2021-09-22 1:29:25 PM  

FleshFlapps: bingethinker: Every company battles leaks about future products. But the anti-Apple paid shills and brainwashed douchebags want to make a big deal out of it. Get a life or a better job.

I can be anti apple without being paid. In fact if they are paying people sign me up. I've been doing this shiat for free since the 90s.


They seem to have the same mentality as Volkswagen buyers.

Consumerism uber alles. The problem isn't with the product, it's with YOU
 
2021-09-22 1:39:04 PM  

bingethinker: Every company battles leaks about future products. But the anti-Apple paid shills and brainwashed douchebags want to make a big deal out of it. Get a life or a better job.


Speaking of paid shills *cough*
 
2021-09-22 1:53:55 PM  

bingethinker: Every company battles leaks about future products. But the anti-Apple paid shills and brainwashed douchebags want to make a big deal out of it. Get a life or a better job.


User name does NOT check out.
 
2021-09-22 1:57:18 PM  
Ah yes, a Canary Trap: https://www.canarytrap.com/what​-is-a-c​anary-trap/

SpectroBoy: X-Geek: Should have put a different combination of typos in every person's memo to identify the leaker.

That is probably a million dollar app idea right there.

Send out a bulk email to a group, but each email has a random small difference. An extra space between word, or an extra period after a sentence. etc.

 
2021-09-22 1:59:15 PM  

FleshFlapps: bingethinker: Every company battles leaks about future products. But the anti-Apple paid shills and brainwashed douchebags want to make a big deal out of it. Get a life or a better job.

I can be anti apple without being paid. In fact if they are paying people sign me up. I've been doing this shiat for free since the 90s.


Yeah, me too.  Who's supposed to be paying us, anyway? I could use some extra cash for something I'm already doing for free...
 
2021-09-22 2:00:53 PM  

Klivian: Nadie_AZ: Tyranny of the workplace.

Apple employees need a Wikileaks to help them out.

Sounds like things are leaking anyway, and I'm sure after this article plenty of reporters who want to make a name for themselves are offering rewards for future internal memos.

I can't wait for Apple to start their own counterintelligence group so they can cull the leakers instead of focusing on the root cause of the problem.


I totally understand product and competitive secrets being a problem if they get out, but info you give out in global employee meetings or all company memos aren't "secrets" when you have thousands of employees.
 
2021-09-22 2:02:16 PM  
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2021-09-22 2:06:37 PM  

roc6783: Klivian: Nadie_AZ: Tyranny of the workplace.

Apple employees need a Wikileaks to help them out.

Sounds like things are leaking anyway, and I'm sure after this article plenty of reporters who want to make a name for themselves are offering rewards for future internal memos.

I can't wait for Apple to start their own counterintelligence group so they can cull the leakers instead of focusing on the root cause of the problem.

I totally understand product and competitive secrets being a problem if they get out, but info you give out in global employee meetings or all company memos aren't "secrets" when you have thousands of employees.


This.  If you are going to send an email to 100,000 (or even 10,000) people you might as well just send it to the world - it's going to leak no matter how much you make everyone pinky-swear that they won't leak it.
 
2021-09-22 2:10:02 PM  
I'm not an Apple Fanboi or anything -- the wife and I own iPhones and Apple Watches (both much older models), but that's about it.  I enjoy them, and they do what I need.  But there are points to be made here.

Leaks are bad news.  Not so much because the public finds out about stuff early (though this can have an adverse affect on sales of existing devices as people might hold out for the next model if they know what it's got), but because industrial espionage is a thing, and if employees of the company are going to do the competition's work for them, that's double plus ungood for the company.

Apple is the most valuable company in the world right now, which, like 'em or hate 'em, you have to admit is pretty astonishing given they were a sinking ship 25 years ago.  They have a lot to lose from leaks, and the board of directors of said world's most valuable company are almost certainly going to be hounding the everloving shiat out of Cook to get his shiat under control, because that's their cash cow, and boards hate nothing more than the threat of delaying their next yacht by a month because leaks might devalue the company's stock.

I'm not saying anyone should breaking out the violins here; the company is worth over two trillion freakin' dollars.  I'm just saying that there are valid points here from a business perspective to clamp down on leaks.
 
2021-09-22 2:14:13 PM  
About 15 years ago I used an industry standard term relating to call centers on a message board.

I got a message from an Apple manager calling me out, claiming this proved that I had worked at Apple because the term was proprietary to them and I was in real trouble for spilling secrets.

I told her to fark off and never heard back.

But hey, it was a clear demonstration to me how Orwellian that company is.
 
2021-09-22 2:24:38 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: SpectroBoy: That is probably a million dollar app idea right there.

That app has existed for years - heck I'd wager decades. Hell, Tom Clancy used it as a plot device in the early 1990s. The traditional term was a "barium meal memo", alluding to the barium swallowing test, but Clancy's term "Canary Trap" took over.

Hell, the NBA used it!

https://www.businessinsider.com/nba-ca​nary-trap-media-2014-12


Cool!
Thanks for the interesting read.
 
2021-09-22 2:32:57 PM  

OptionC: roc6783: Klivian: Nadie_AZ: Tyranny of the workplace.

Apple employees need a Wikileaks to help them out.

Sounds like things are leaking anyway, and I'm sure after this article plenty of reporters who want to make a name for themselves are offering rewards for future internal memos.

I can't wait for Apple to start their own counterintelligence group so they can cull the leakers instead of focusing on the root cause of the problem.

I totally understand product and competitive secrets being a problem if they get out, but info you give out in global employee meetings or all company memos aren't "secrets" when you have thousands of employees.

This.  If you are going to send an email to 100,000 (or even 10,000) people you might as well just send it to the world - it's going to leak no matter how much you make everyone pinky-swear that they won't leak it.


Like Varis said, once four or more people know, it is no longer a secret, it's just information.
 
2021-09-22 2:38:42 PM  
I think Tim needs to realize that his rank and file employee's concern about leaks begins and ends with how much it would get them in trouble personally.
 
2021-09-22 2:56:57 PM  

X-Geek: Should have put a different combination of typos in every person's memo to identify the leaker.


Or some secret code:

For the next product release Apple plans to isthay amecay omfray ailroboniahay's accountyay implement a new OS featuring....
 
2021-09-22 2:57:59 PM  

Klivian: Nadie_AZ: Tyranny of the workplace.

Apple employees need a Wikileaks to help them out.

Sounds like things are leaking anyway, and I'm sure after this article plenty of reporters who want to make a name for themselves are offering rewards for future internal memos.

I can't wait for Apple to start their own counterintelligence group so they can cull the leakers instead of focusing on the root cause of the problem.


As far as "wikileaks", farkedcompany.com was around earlier and didn't have the integrity issues of wikileaks.  I'd follow their lead instead.

And I remember reading theregister.co.uk and having two absolutely unbelievable leaks from Intel (something about a process being available a year ahead of time, followed by an equally ridiculous leak).  El Reg duely printed both of them, followed by their best leaker getting fired.  This was so long ago that at least some readers might believe an Intel process being ahead of time, so at least a decade.

Apple already has one, be sure of that.  Expect it to get bigger/more high profile.
 
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2021-09-22 3:05:05 PM  

SpectroBoy: X-Geek: Should have put a different combination of typos in every person's memo to identify the leaker.

That is probably a million dollar app idea right there.

Send out a bulk email to a group, but each email has a random small difference. An extra space between word, or an extra period after a sentence. etc.


I believe this is called steganography, or at least it is when it pertains to images.

The idea is to subtly change an image where the subtle change is significant to a particular party or parties, but where the average person could not tell the difference.  Techniques might involve subtle color changes to very specific pixels, or leaving out a particular exact color if a gradient of that color is present, etc.  The human eye would not detect these, and even advanced image processing techniques might miss things if the investigator doesn't have access to the original photo.
The smartest way to avoid this if you're a leaker or if you're a recipient is to simply restate in your own words what the document said, and to then ask someone else to do the same.  Afterward you review the new document to confirm that it hasn't been watered-down to miss anything important, but then the document is far enough removed from the original source material that unless the whole context is doctored there's probably no way to trace it back to a specific leaker.
 
2021-09-22 3:17:23 PM  

SMB2811: Last company I was in, in every god damn department all hands there was one or two who would always ask the same damn question "What can we do in [department] to support the CEO's latest vision for the company." I wanted to throttle them because after having to talk to them personally, they farking meant it.


They're the same people who, at the end of the new health care plan presentation, and all of the questions have been asked, struggle mightily, and then manage to ask a few more blindingly obvious questions that have been covered already three times.  I phase those people out.
 
2021-09-22 3:25:17 PM  

Unsung_Hero: PvtStash: Whistle blower acting morally to sound the alarm about sexists /racists and/or harmful to the public well being business practices being conducted by Apple?

My personal belief is that if it's serious enough to leak to the press, you damn well better report it to the cops first.  If it's not bad enough for the cops, then you quit or you're just a corporate saboteur.

But whatever you do, don't trust HR.  Odds are they will do whatever they have to in order to protect the people who pay them.  And that's not you.  If you don't own your own lawyers, just get out.


yeah maybe just me, but kinda feels like, it's 2012, who still trusts the cops?
 
2021-09-22 3:27:58 PM  
IT'S A TRAP!
 
2021-09-22 3:29:04 PM  

PvtStash: who still trusts the cops?


The kind of cops you report these things to are different from the kind of cops on the beat.  Slightly smarter, more interested in rules and paperwork than, say, harassing someone for driving while black.

Besides, who says you can't report it to the cops AND leak it to the press to put pressure on the cops to do the right thing?  Shine lights everywhere so they can't hide in the shadows.

I'm just saying going the press-only route is not the right thing to do.
 
2021-09-22 3:32:35 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Tyranny of the workplace.

Apple employees need a Wikileaks to help them out.


Preferably one that isn't a Russian front.
 
2021-09-22 3:50:49 PM  

Unsung_Hero: PvtStash: Whistle blower acting morally to sound the alarm about sexists /racists and/or harmful to the public well being business practices being conducted by Apple?

My personal belief is that if it's serious enough to leak to the press, you damn well better report it to the cops first.  If it's not bad enough for the cops, then you quit or you're just a corporate saboteur.

But whatever you do, don't trust HR.  Odds are they will do whatever they have to in order to protect the people who pay them.  And that's not you.  If you don't own your own lawyers, just get out.


The cops are no more trustworthy than HR.

And not everything reportable is strictly illegal.  In fact, sometimes that's the entirety of the problem.
 
2021-09-22 5:18:47 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: SMB2811: Last company I was in, in every god damn department all hands there was one or two who would always ask the same damn question "What can we do in [department] to support the CEO's latest vision for the company." I wanted to throttle them because after having to talk to them personally, they farking meant it.

They're the same people who, at the end of the new health care plan presentation, and all of the questions have been asked, struggle mightily, and then manage to ask a few more blindingly obvious questions that have been covered already three times.  I phase those people out.


"Thank you for demonstrating that you have not been paying attention. Since we've answered that question more than once already, we'll move on. Next question?"
 
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