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(Al Jazeera)   "Namibians protest as MPs to vote on German genocide deal." Wow, I didn't realize you could get deals on those now   (aljazeera.com) divider line
    More: Followup, Germany, Namibia, Herero, Lothar von Trotha, Namaqua, Genocide, National Assembly, colonial occupation  
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2021-09-21 9:15:50 PM  
What's a Namibian?

/sorry, couldn't resist.
 
2021-09-21 10:59:28 PM  
Germany in May acknowledged it had committed genocide in colonial-era Namibia against Herero and Nama people between 1904 and 1908 and promised a billion euros ($1.3bn) in financial support to descendants of the victims.

That was what, 4 governments ago? Like, not 4 administrations, 4 entire from the ground up governments. We have enough trouble admitting our involvements from earlier in THIS government.
 
2021-09-22 4:55:36 AM  

NotThatGirl: What's a Namibian?

/sorry, couldn't resist.


*raises hand*
 
2021-09-22 4:57:05 AM  
The trick to getting a deal on genocide, subby, is to work in large volumes.
 
2021-09-22 4:58:24 AM  

Smoking GNU: NotThatGirl: What's a Namibian?

/sorry, couldn't resist.

*raises hand*


Shut the fark up! *draws gun*
 
2021-09-22 5:02:35 AM  
Concentration camps, genocide, atrocities done to try to prove BS theories about racial superiority?

So that shiat was basically already baked in before Hitler came to power?

Past is prologue apparently.
 
2021-09-22 5:28:29 AM  
"The blood of our ancestors was not in vain"

I imagine that's why they died.
 
2021-09-22 5:44:52 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: "The blood of our ancestors was not in vain"

I imagine that's why they died.


Our prime minister was quoted recently, after a long period of corruption scandal after scandal involving the current government and ruiling party that's basically cleaned out the economy, as saying "We did not fight in the struggle to be poor!" implying it was their personal right to treat the country like their own personal piggy bank. TIA, i guess.
 
2021-09-22 6:02:11 AM  

foo monkey: The trick to getting a deal on genocide, subby, is to work in large volumes.


Well it's kind of a ripoff now. You have to send them receipts by snail mail, and weeks later your rebate "check" arrives in the form of store credit. The Germans make good stuff, though.
 
2021-09-22 6:26:21 AM  
Historians typically accept that up to 65,000 of the 80,000 Herero and at least 10,000 of the 20,000 Nama were killed.

So 100k lives are worth $1 billion euros? That's $10k a person, which is a pittance given 116 years of compound interest. Germany is getting off cheap here.
 
2021-09-22 6:29:29 AM  

Shaggy_C: Historians typically accept that up to 65,000 of the 80,000 Herero and at least 10,000 of the 20,000 Nama were killed.

So 100k lives are worth $1 billion euros? That's $10k a person, which is a pittance given 116 years of compound interest. Germany is getting off cheap here.


That's what you get when you buy in bulk.
 
2021-09-22 6:29:45 AM  
Meanwhile The UK, France, and Belgium were seen putting their hands in their pockets and whistling while quietly walking away.
 
2021-09-22 6:33:24 AM  

Shaggy_C: Historians typically accept that up to 65,000 of the 80,000 Herero and at least 10,000 of the 20,000 Nama were killed.

So 100k lives are worth $1 billion euros? That's $10k a person, which is a pittance given 116 years of compound interest. Germany is getting off cheap here.


The problem is also about how far back you have to, or can, go when it comes to such payments. The genocide was 4 generations ago. How much influence did it have on their children's children's children? How much is that worth nowadays? And how much will actually get to descendands of people that suffered the consequences? It is, to put it lightly, quite a heated discussion both in Namibia and Germany.
 
2021-09-22 6:36:15 AM  
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"It's pronounced Nambia.  NAMBIA."
 
2021-09-22 6:48:06 AM  
How about a BOGO deal?
 
2021-09-22 7:51:09 AM  

quatchi: Concentration camps, genocide, atrocities done to try to prove BS theories about racial superiority?

So that shiat was basically already baked in before Hitler came to power?

Past is prologue apparently.


The theologian Karl Barth argued that Naziism was the end result of a process that began in Germany during the late 18th - early 19th Centuries.  At that time the German national church abandoned its responsibility to act as the voice of conscience and became a vehicle for German nationalism.  By the time Kaiser Bill came to power, there was no one left in the country to tell the people that throwing foreigners and Jews into concentration camps was a bad idea.  Hitler just picked up on the mood and gave the people what they wanted.

My pastor says it's a cautionary tale considering the gung-ho "patriotic Christianity" you find in a lot of Evangelical churches here in the US.
 
2021-09-22 8:12:55 AM  

Plane Guy: Meanwhile The UK, France, and Belgium were seen putting their hands in their pockets and whistling while quietly walking away.


None of those Countries listed the San people as game on hunting licenses.
 
2021-09-22 10:03:48 AM  

Plane Guy: Meanwhile The UK, France, and Belgium were seen putting their hands in their pockets and whistling while quietly walking away.


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2021-09-22 9:50:02 PM  

Jeff5: Plane Guy: Meanwhile The UK, France, and Belgium were seen putting their hands in their pockets and whistling while quietly walking away.

None of those Countries listed the San people as game on hunting licenses.


Hand-collecting-like-typing detected
 
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