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2021-09-21 4:32:08 PM  
Thanks, Reagan
 
2021-09-21 5:00:00 PM  

harleyquinnical: Thanks, Reagan


We started closing asylums before Carter. It was considered a good thing - state asylums were horrific. Reagan didn't wave a magic wand and put insane people on the streets, most of it was a direct result of lawsuits and Supreme Court rulings that limited the ability of the states to involuntarily commit people.
 
2021-09-21 6:36:39 PM  
This is more Free Britney than Boo Reagan.
 
2021-09-21 6:37:00 PM  
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2021-09-21 6:38:19 PM  

Lsherm: harleyquinnical: Thanks, Reagan

We started closing asylums before Carter. It was considered a good thing - state asylums were horrific. Reagan didn't wave a magic wand and put insane people on the streets, most of it was a direct result of lawsuits and Supreme Court rulings that limited the ability of the states to involuntarily commit people.


And not only that, but Reagan left office in 1989....so there has been ample time for state and federal politicians to do something about it...of course they never did.

Our system here in Washington is a joke...and it doesn't help that my severely bi-polar brother has gone off the deep end once again.
 
2021-09-21 6:40:10 PM  

Lsherm: harleyquinnical: Thanks, Reagan

We started closing asylums before Carter. It was considered a good thing - state asylums were horrific. Reagan didn't wave a magic wand and put insane people on the streets, most of it was a direct result of lawsuits and Supreme Court rulings that limited the ability of the states to involuntarily commit people.


You're talking to someone who isn't interested in the boring details, only in the slogans.
 
2021-09-21 6:41:11 PM  
This is happening right before our eyes on a national scale.  Did you see how Josh Blue was robbed last week?
 
2021-09-21 6:42:12 PM  
No?
 
2021-09-21 6:42:37 PM  

Lsherm: harleyquinnical: Thanks, Reagan

We started closing asylums before Carter. It was considered a good thing - state asylums were horrific. Reagan didn't wave a magic wand and put insane people on the streets, most of it was a direct result of lawsuits and Supreme Court rulings that limited the ability of the states to involuntarily commit people.


A lot of the closings happened during Regean so he gets blame heaped on him.

We absolutely need a national mental healthcare system.
 
2021-09-21 6:43:50 PM  
We already solved the mental illness problem. You shove them in prison. Same with the homeless, drugs addicts, and elderly. It all works out. I also have a rather modest proposal for ending both world hunger and overpopulation. Remember to vote for me in 2022.
 
2021-09-21 6:46:24 PM  
I laugh because I'd cry.

Mental health in this country is still locked in the Victorian era.

Even this article talking about asylums being a solution is from the archaic confinement and tucked out of sight out of mind modality.
 
2021-09-21 6:49:13 PM  
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2021-09-21 6:52:43 PM  
Great, we are supposed to be researching this for my step-daughter...great.
 
2021-09-21 6:54:47 PM  

Lsherm: harleyquinnical: Thanks, Reagan

We started closing asylums before Carter. It was considered a good thing - state asylums were horrific. Reagan didn't wave a magic wand and put insane people on the streets, most of it was a direct result of lawsuits and Supreme Court rulings that limited the ability of the states to involuntarily commit people.


Jimmy Carter helped allocate funds to help solve the problem; Reagan and Congress repealed it a year later.
 
2021-09-21 6:55:16 PM  

harleyquinnical: Thanks, Reagan


He had a real thing for Olivia DeHavilland. Watched The Snake Pit one too many times.
 
2021-09-21 6:57:53 PM  

Subtonic: We already solved the mental illness problem. You shove them in prison. Same with the homeless, drugs addicts, and elderly. It all works out. I also have a rather modest proposal for ending both world hunger and overpopulation. Remember to vote for me in 2022.


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2021-09-21 6:58:00 PM  
Thankfully the abuse is largely privatized now
 
2021-09-21 6:59:05 PM  
It's almost as if these are complex problems that require expensive tailored solutions that few want to invest in, that often are just various forms of damage mitigation (depending on the circumstances), or that there aren't total scumbags that don't see these situations as profitable opportunities.
 
2021-09-21 6:59:22 PM  

Lsherm: harleyquinnical: Thanks, Reagan

We started closing asylums before Carter. It was considered a good thing - state asylums were horrific. Reagan didn't wave a magic wand and put insane people on the streets, most of it was a direct result of lawsuits and Supreme Court rulings that limited the ability of the states to involuntarily commit people.


Yep. When I started social work schoolin' back in the late 80s/early 90s, that shiat was already evident. Shut down state hospitals (psychiatric disabilities) and state schools (intellectual/developmental disabilities) as we develop robust community-based and independent living-aimed support systems. But that's the wrong kinda socialism --- doesn't feed the corporate coffer or buy police any toys. In the wake of JFK's death, these reforms were envisioned to include over 4000 community mental health and ID/DD centers around the country. When I left grad school, there were only around 2000. 40 years later, only half what was envisioned to meet the needs in the mid-60s.
 
2021-09-21 6:59:56 PM  

LarryDan43: Thankfully the abuse is largely privatized now


Bespoke, artisanal abuse.
 
2021-09-21 7:00:15 PM  

TheAugurofDunlain: Subtonic: We already solved the mental illness problem. You shove them in prison. Same with the homeless, drugs addicts, and elderly. It all works out. I also have a rather modest proposal for ending both world hunger and overpopulation. Remember to vote for me in 2022.

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Pfft. I'll say it's a cure for covid and land a prime time spot on Tucker.
 
2021-09-21 7:00:31 PM  
Well you have physical health, which is the only real kind of health.  Dental care and Mental health care are luxury cares that you have to pay a premium to access and preserve.  My 18k dentist bill says as much. (yes, that was mostly sarcastic)
 
2021-09-21 7:00:56 PM  

foo monkey: This is happening right before our eyes on a national scale.  Did you see how Josh Blue was robbed last week?


Again?
 
2021-09-21 7:01:41 PM  
I feel like electing them would only be a punishment if they took the job seriously, though.
 
2021-09-21 7:03:02 PM  

Night Train to Wakanda: I laugh because I'd cry.

Mental health in this country is still locked in the Victorian era.

Even this article talking about asylums being a solution is from the archaic confinement and tucked out of sight out of mind modality.


Mental Health: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
Youtube NGY6DqB1HX8


People with mental illnesses are actually more likely to be the victims of violence, not the perpetrators. And a large part of why is because people with mental illnesses are often not allowed to speak on their own behalf.
 
2021-09-21 7:04:35 PM  

mybluemake: foo monkey: This is happening right before our eyes on a national scale.  Did you see how Josh Blue was robbed last week?

Again?


He looks like Hipster Daniel Stern.
 
2021-09-21 7:10:05 PM  
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2021-09-21 7:12:11 PM  

OhioUGrad: Asylum
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Ah, The Ridges. Miss spending Halloween there.
 
2021-09-21 7:13:07 PM  
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2021-09-21 7:19:43 PM  

137 Is An Excellent Time: OhioUGrad: Asylum
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Ah, The Ridges. Miss spending Halloween there.


I received an email with a more current update, but when searching online this is all I found
https://www.ohio.edu/university-plann​i​ng/planning/master-plans/ridges-framew​ork-plan


Totally should have a Fark Halloween party in that area!
 
2021-09-21 7:21:12 PM  
The_Sponge:

Just because other people before and after are evil and callous doesn't make Reagan any less guilty of his sins.

There's a reason the evil Roger Stone got his face as a jizz zone.
 
2021-09-21 7:26:09 PM  
Terence McKenna - Schizophrenia and the Fear of Madness
Youtube -t7Shv6w7Ms
 
2021-09-21 7:32:30 PM  

The_Sponge: Lsherm: harleyquinnical: Thanks, Reagan

We started closing asylums before Carter. It was considered a good thing - state asylums were horrific. Reagan didn't wave a magic wand and put insane people on the streets, most of it was a direct result of lawsuits and Supreme Court rulings that limited the ability of the states to involuntarily commit people.

And not only that, but Reagan left office in 1989....so there has been ample time for state and federal politicians to do something about it...of course they never did.

Our system here in Washington is a joke...and it doesn't help that my severely bi-polar brother has gone off the deep end once again.


I worked for Western State for a year, they warehouse and medicate, but provide little else in the way of treatment.  Most of the patients have co-morbid PTSD (I've read that 80% of patients in in-patient mental hospitals have PTSD on top of their other diagnoses), and you can't just medicate your way out of that. I really hope things turn around for your brother.
 
2021-09-21 7:36:38 PM  

The_Sponge: Lsherm: harleyquinnical: Thanks, Reagan

We started closing asylums before Carter. It was considered a good thing - state asylums were horrific. Reagan didn't wave a magic wand and put insane people on the streets, most of it was a direct result of lawsuits and Supreme Court rulings that limited the ability of the states to involuntarily commit people.

And not only that, but Reagan left office in 1989....so there has been ample time for state and federal politicians to do something about it...of course they never did.

Our system here in Washington is a joke...and it doesn't help that my severely bi-polar brother has gone off the deep end once again.


Sorry  my brother is bi-polar as well and when he gets off his medication man they don't have beds to keep him to get really stabilized.
 
2021-09-21 7:51:25 PM  

harleyquinnical: Thanks, Reagan


Reagan was last governor of California in 1975. If what he did was wrong, why hasn't it been reversed by any of the Democrats who have occupied that office in the 46 years since?
 
2021-09-21 7:54:12 PM  

Mad_Radhu: [Fark user image image 425x283]


That movie was so depressing I had to turn it off.
What a nightmare.
 
2021-09-21 7:57:45 PM  

leeksfromchichis: The_Sponge:

Just because other people before and after are evil and callous doesn't make Reagan any less guilty of his sins.

There's a reason the evil Roger Stone got his face as a jizz zone.


NIXON YOU DOLT!!
 
2021-09-21 8:00:44 PM  

archeochick: Mad_Radhu: [Fark user image image 425x283]

That movie was so depressing I had to turn it off.
What a nightmare.


It was... different.  But you should probably pick it up again and try to finish it.  It changes style a bit maybe half-way through.  Still cynical, but they get you almost rooting for the evil biatch for a bit before the final scene.
 
2021-09-21 8:01:37 PM  

BigNumber12: Lsherm: harleyquinnical: Thanks, Reagan

We started closing asylums before Carter. It was considered a good thing - state asylums were horrific. Reagan didn't wave a magic wand and put insane people on the streets, most of it was a direct result of lawsuits and Supreme Court rulings that limited the ability of the states to involuntarily commit people.

You're talking to someone who isn't interested in the boring details, only in the slogans.


I'm sorry for being mean to the man who's White House couldn't stop laughing at the thought of AIDS.
 
2021-09-21 8:06:13 PM  
Well that's a depressing and anxiety inducing read.

*knock at door*

OH SH*T!
 
2021-09-21 8:16:46 PM  

The_Sponge: Lsherm: harleyquinnical: Thanks, Reagan

We started closing asylums before Carter. It was considered a good thing - state asylums were horrific. Reagan didn't wave a magic wand and put insane people on the streets, most of it was a direct result of lawsuits and Supreme Court rulings that limited the ability of the states to involuntarily commit people.

And not only that, but Reagan left office in 1989....so there has been ample time for state and federal politicians to do something about it...of course they never did.

Our system here in Washington is a joke...and it doesn't help that my severely bi-polar brother has gone off the deep end once again.


I'm sorry you and your family have to deal with that.

Where I live, mental health care is not a priority. There are a few places for outpatient care, but they cost quite a bit of money. For everyone else, there is one place, and it is craptastic. There are no in-person psychiatrists, the counselors are all but useless, and God help you if you have to call them because no one answers the damn phone.

But if the psychiatrist on a goddamn Zoom call even suspects you might scratch your arm a little harder than normal, they call the sheriff's office--not an ambulance, a goddamn sheriff's deputy in a marked cruiser--to haul you over to a place that nightmares are made of. Forced pills, forced eating (either voluntarily or with a tube shoved down your throat), forced interaction with other patients.

It is not a nice place.

But this is the state of psychiatric medicine in the US. If you've got money, you're golden; otherwise, the "best" outcome could be guardianship.
 
2021-09-21 8:20:05 PM  
But where else can you get an official certificate attesting that you don't have donkey brains?

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2021-09-21 8:25:07 PM  

maram500: The_Sponge: Lsherm: harleyquinnical: Thanks, Reagan

We started closing asylums before Carter. It was considered a good thing - state asylums were horrific. Reagan didn't wave a magic wand and put insane people on the streets, most of it was a direct result of lawsuits and Supreme Court rulings that limited the ability of the states to involuntarily commit people.

And not only that, but Reagan left office in 1989....so there has been ample time for state and federal politicians to do something about it...of course they never did.

Our system here in Washington is a joke...and it doesn't help that my severely bi-polar brother has gone off the deep end once again.

I'm sorry you and your family have to deal with that.

Where I live, mental health care is not a priority. There are a few places for outpatient care, but they cost quite a bit of money. For everyone else, there is one place, and it is craptastic. There are no in-person psychiatrists, the counselors are all but useless, and God help you if you have to call them because no one answers the damn phone.

But if the psychiatrist on a goddamn Zoom call even suspects you might scratch your arm a little harder than normal, they call the sheriff's office--not an ambulance, a goddamn sheriff's deputy in a marked cruiser--to haul you over to a place that nightmares are made of. Forced pills, forced eating (either voluntarily or with a tube shoved down your throat), forced interaction with other patients.

It is not a nice place.

But this is the state of psychiatric medicine in the US. If you've got money, you're golden; otherwise, the "best" outcome could be guardianship.


I need to clarify something. Lacking an in-person psychiatrist makes a few things harder.

1. If the internet connection drops, session ends, no results.
2. It's hard to read tone of voice and some body language while looking at someone from the waist up and listening through crappy digitized and compressed audio.
3. At least here, if the provider is not physically present, then certain medications can't be prescribed (specifically controlled substances, like quite a few psychiatric medicines).

That last one present a huge problem for some people considering things like Ativan and Xanax are the only reason some people can function. When those cannot be prescribed over video, alternatives are used and the alternatives generally suck.
 
2021-09-21 8:28:07 PM  
Man, this thread brought out all the assholes.

That's right, lads. Defend your saint.

NSFW

Crucifucks - Hinkley Had a Vision (Live) w/Lyrics
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2021-09-21 8:33:52 PM  
This is a depressing topic.

/ Help administer the closing of 2/3 the in-patient beds in Georgia in 1995-1996.
// So the facilities could be film sets (Stranger Things)
/// Don't miss the job a bit
 
2021-09-21 8:34:00 PM  
Also...

dead kennedys - hyperactive child (in studio)
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2021-09-21 8:50:56 PM  

Night Train to Wakanda: I laugh because I'd cry.
Mental health in this country is still locked in the Victorian era.
Even this article talking about asylums being a solution is from the archaic confinement and tucked out of sight out of mind modality.


Now we have dispersed abuse of the mentally ill.

But in the real world here, the mentally ill are very hard to treat. A lot of them are deliberately homeless, they can't remember to take meds even if they're agreeable to them, and some of them are kind of offensive to the finer people in town. Some of them ARE offensive. A lot of them need kind of round-the-clock monitoring if we want them to function on a level where they can keep an apartment, or just live on their own. So what do you do with them, if they're not criminals?

But they're allowed to be that way. You can't lock up people for having an illness if they're not hurting anyone else. Or you CAN, and we do. But we know it's not right.
It would make more sense to lock up anti-vaxers, they know what they're doing. And all those mentally ill people--well, that's a problem.
 
2021-09-21 8:51:34 PM  
My earlier comment was Modleted under the most lamest of excuses, so here's a replacement comment regarding how bad asylums were back then.

The Willowbrook Case with Geraldo Rivera from ABC news
Youtube qzNFRn5TTtc


/Someone at Fark must have a padded cell and straightjacket fetish
 
2021-09-21 9:00:37 PM  

LedLawless: I worked for Western State for a year, they warehouse and medicate, but provide little else in the way of treatment.  Most of the patients have co-morbid PTSD (I've read that 80% of patients in in-patient mental hospitals have PTSD on top of their other diagnoses), and you can't just medicate your way out of that. I really hope things turn around for your brother.


My observation also, when I worked around the severely mentally ill. They have PTSD on top of everything else. A lot of them came from poverty and have been treated badly by lots of people, and for sure they don't have any money now. A lot of them self-medicate, on top of whatever drugs they're already on.
A good number of the women have been sexually assaulted. The men get in fights, or they all get into trouble when they decompensate in public and things usually end badly. They don't like the police, who suck at handling the mentally ill, but they're always the first people to show up whenever there's some mental health crisis.
I heard some stories about how the police treat them--but they're crazy, I mean is that even TRUE? You could be hallucinating.

It's just a really difficult situation, and I don't see any way out of it. It's the people themselves who are the problem, and let's not sugarcoat it. You can't just fix them somehow. They're broken.
 
2021-09-21 9:11:02 PM  

jjorsett: harleyquinnical: Thanks, Reagan

Reagan was last governor of California in 1975. If what he did was wrong, why hasn't it been reversed by any of the Democrats who have occupied that office in the 46 years since?


Because most of these places were built in the 1800's and cannot be reopened under today's building codes. In my state, the 2 asylums that were shut down are loaded with asbestos and the cost of bringing the buildings up to modern code to restart them (or even to remove it prior to demolition) would costs the state tens of millions. Instead, they're left abandoned to rot in place.
 
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