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(AsiaOne)   Biden considers Taiwanese request to rename D.C. mission from "Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Office" to "Taiwan Representative Office." China duly threatens ceasing to cooperate on climate change or dealing with the Taliban   (asiaone.com) divider line
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2021-09-19 9:58:06 PM  
I really am so tired of China's butthurt, just let the stupid one China policy go already.  They left, they don't want to be part of your country.  Let it go already.  You're one the biggest countries in the world, you don't need that tiny island.
 
2021-09-19 9:59:29 PM  
China wants to deal with the Taliban? Feel free
 
2021-09-19 10:08:27 PM  

aleister_greynight: I really am so tired of China's butthurt, just let the stupid one China policy go already.  They left, they don't want to be part of your country.  Let it go already.  You're one the biggest countries in the world, you don't need that tiny island.


They're probably scared shiatless that if one part of their country manages to escape their little dictatorship, that some of the other parts may decide "screw this, we're out of here" too.

China's basically being held together by empty promises and bailing wire, with an economy made out of vacant cities built for nobody. All it's going to take is one crack and the whole thing is likely to fall apart.
 
2021-09-19 10:09:37 PM  

aleister_greynight: I really am so tired of China's butthurt, just let the stupid one China policy go already.  They left, they don't want to be part of your country.  Let it go already. You're one the biggest countries in the world, you don't need that tiny island.


They haven't.  They do.  The Taiwanese have downplayed it for the last couple of decades, but except for a couple years when a different party was in charge, Taiwan's official position is that the mainland is a breakaway, renegade province of the real Chinese government in Taipei.  It sounds completely bonkers considering the practical realities of the situation, but Taiwan wants it all back.  Closest I can think of is if Belfast had some provision in their charter that said the RoI was a province of NI and Dublin was an illegitimate government for the Irish.  It would make things simpler if Taiwan were dedicated to complete separation - not easier, perhaps, but simpler.  But they don't, because they still see Beijing as a rebels of the real Chinese government.
 
2021-09-19 10:55:54 PM  
I will stop sleeping with my wife... Scarlett Johansson.
 
2021-09-20 3:48:31 AM  
Just rename it an embassy.   Australia needs to do the same thing.
 
2021-09-20 6:45:50 AM  
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2021-09-20 6:50:24 AM  
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Just substitute Winnie the Pooh for Grampa and Taiwan for Missourah.
 
2021-09-20 6:54:51 AM  
"What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."
 
2021-09-20 6:57:10 AM  
The PRC is worse for the world than Trumpkins. It is, however, a close thing.
 
2021-09-20 6:59:48 AM  
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2021-09-20 7:03:35 AM  
The U.S. needs to go ahead and allow the name change. Kind of like the GOP with COVID-19, you can refuse to deal with it all you want, but the reality of the situation will force them too or have it blow up in their face. China can say they will refuse to work with the U.S. on climate change, but they have an awfully large nation with a large population who is very vulnerable to the effects of climate change. 'Once in a thousand years' rains devastated central China this past July. They also have a large population of Muslims, up to 39 million of them, who cannot all be stuck in camps like the Uyghurs. Afghanistan would prove to be a valuable stronghold for a Muslim based resistance in China, with regional civil war potential. The only reason one has not popped up yet is probably due to U.S. occupation being a distraction.

Do it, and let China try to be the regional "world police" for a while.
 
2021-09-20 7:10:43 AM  
Yea like China wasn't already planning to work with the Taliban.
 
2021-09-20 7:13:52 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: [Fark user image image 572x429]

Just substitute Winnie the Pooh for Grampa and Taiwan for Missourah.


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2021-09-20 7:14:09 AM  
They really are amazingly thin skinned, aren't they?
 
2021-09-20 7:36:48 AM  
America just can't resist being the cowboy on the world stage. Wasn't that long ago we decided to move our embassy in Israel to Jerusalem just to antagonise the Palestinians. Now we purposely antagonise China.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
 
2021-09-20 7:38:38 AM  

ChubbyTiger: They really are amazingly thin skinned, aren't they?


I tend to think it's just constant noise to sate the people of the PRC. If they weren't always crowing about the renegade Taipei province, people might start directing their hate toward the central party.
 
2021-09-20 7:46:14 AM  

ChubbyTiger: They really are amazingly thin skinned, aren't they?


They are trying to keep 1.3 billion people in line. If they look weak, they fear they will lose control of their total power grip.
 
2021-09-20 8:01:16 AM  

Purple_Urkle: Pants full of macaroni!!: [Fark user image image 572x429]

Just substitute Winnie the Pooh for Grampa and Taiwan for Missourah.

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Q&D.  It's the Fark way.  :-)
 
2021-09-20 8:30:43 AM  
Deal.
They've been ignoring or actively working to sabotage the rest of the world's work on climate (I know we're no shining example in this department, but at least half of us give a damn).
And I'm excited to see how they handle the Taliban. One way or another, one of our biggest threats will be eliminated.
 
2021-09-20 8:32:44 AM  
The Biden administration has reportedly been considering a Taiwanese request to change the name of its mission in the US capital from the Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Office (Tecro) to the Taiwan Representative Office, which could be received by Beijing as a serious insult if it went ahead.

The average person does several dozen things every day that are perceived as a serious insult by Beijing.
 
2021-09-20 8:52:30 AM  

bloobeary: with an economy made out of vacant cities built for nobody.


Can we stop repeating this rubbish? The "ghost cities" narrative was based on pictures from when those cities were under construction.

These days those cities have populations larger than nearly all U.S. cities.

The bigger question is whether the buildings will last as long as a condo in Florida.

Think it through. Do you think the Chinese didn't build the cities? Do you doubt their willingness to coerce people to move there? Do you think the amenities of rural China are so good that they'd not jump at the chance of a city? Do you think the population of China isn't large enough to fill these cities?

There's a ton of things wrong wih China and their construction sector is no paragon, but those cities aren't empty.
 
2021-09-20 9:09:10 AM  
"Beijing is likely to step up its military activities to deter Taiwan while retaliating diplomatically against the US if the island's de facto embassy in Washington gets renamed, but these countermeasures are likely to be limited, diplomatic and military observers said."

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2021-09-20 9:14:15 AM  
"West Taiwan is gettin' upset!!"

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2021-09-20 9:15:10 AM  

OptimisticCynicism: bloobeary: with an economy made out of vacant cities built for nobody.


Can we stop repeating this rubbish? The "ghost cities" narrative was based on pictures from when those cities were under construction.


Evergrande?  They own massive amounts of empty real estate and $300 billion of short term debt due real soon now.  They paid their paint supplier in unfinished buildings which are worthless.
 
2021-09-20 9:19:05 AM  

aleister_greynight: I really am so tired of China's butthurt, just let the stupid one China policy go already.  They left, they don't want to be part of your country.  Let it go already.  You're one the biggest countries in the world, you don't need that tiny island.


China's gone and built a society based on, and thus dependent on, the concept of 'face' and so they've effectively backed themselves into a corner on the issue.  If the CCP lets Taiwan go, then they lose significant legitimacy in the minds of their population.

That's aside from all the economic and power projection benefits they would gain by having control of Taiwan.

Also, don't forget their massive soap bubble of an ego.
 
2021-09-20 9:24:33 AM  

aleister_greynight: I really am so tired of China's butthurt, just let the stupid one China policy go already.  They left, they don't want to be part of your country.  Let it go already.  You're one the biggest countries in the world, you don't need that tiny island.


This is a country that has a strictly enforced policy of stalking everyone they consider citizens, in or out of the country, on social media to ensure that they stay loyal and don't post anything that goes against party policy.
 
2021-09-20 9:37:46 AM  
Is it just me or is it getting harder to take the CCP seriously? They're up to about 40 butthurts a day. That's as many as four tens, and that's horrible.
 
2021-09-20 9:42:28 AM  

DON.MAC: OptimisticCynicism: bloobeary: with an economy made out of vacant cities built for nobody.


Can we stop repeating this rubbish? The "ghost cities" narrative was based on pictures from when those cities were under construction.

Evergrande?  They own massive amounts of empty real estate and $300 billion of short term debt due real soon now.  They paid their paint supplier in unfinished buildings which are worthless.


If the CCP wants them to fail... they will. If they want them to survive they can do that too. Either way, judging a system of city construction by work that isn't done yet when there are multiple that are, sounds silly to me. I happen to agree that they are approaching construction in a way that is unlikely to be sustainable, but that has nothing to do with the claim of vacant cities.
 
2021-09-20 9:45:19 AM  

Unscratchable_Itch: Is it just me or is it getting harder to take the CCP seriously? They're up to about 40 butthurts a day. That's as many as four tens, and that's horrible.


Unfortunately, they matter on the world stage. They have nukes. They have massive military capabilities and they are extremely important to the world economy.

I agree, they have the restraint of a petty dictator, but we can't just shrug them off.
 
2021-09-20 9:50:05 AM  
China: The Joe Manchin of the international community.
 
2021-09-20 9:57:04 AM  

Trayal: If the CCP lets Taiwan go, then they lose significant legitimacy in the minds of their population.


I mean you can look at Germany and France historically squabbling over some land rights. You know... 30 years war, WW1 and such.

Rome/Byzantium got pretty pissy over losing Egypt. The Ottomans and Austria squabbled over the Balkans.

Territorial expansion is good for domestic pride. Losing territories is a big political blow. I absolutely hate the Chinese "face" system, but it is just a non-western medium communicating dynamics that exist everywhere.

Both China and Taiwan have ownership of the other side as a fundamental narrative about their identity. The Taiwanese have a better idea that their narrative is BS, but given what China just did to Hong Kong the mainland thinks they can keep believing their story. A lot of people have died believing rubbish claims of ownership in the past, and this easily may turn into another case. Or WW3.

China is essentially acting like how Putin wishes he could. Same dynamic of a nationalistic bully, but Putin has less levers of power.
 
2021-09-20 9:58:25 AM  

Geotpf: China: The Joe Manchin of the international community.


I'm pretty pissed at Manchin right now, but I don't think even HE deserves that comparison. I mean if he was trying to annex nearby states, then maybe...
 
2021-09-20 9:59:12 AM  

Bloody William: aleister_greynight: I really am so tired of China's butthurt, just let the stupid one China policy go already.  They left, they don't want to be part of your country.  Let it go already.  You're one the biggest countries in the world, you don't need that tiny island.

This is a country that has a strictly enforced policy of stalking everyone they consider citizens, in or out of the country, on social media to ensure that they stay loyal and don't post anything that goes against party policy.


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In West Taiwan, this isn't a hopeful request.
 
2021-09-20 10:04:54 AM  
Hey guys!

Taiwan is a country!
 
2021-09-20 10:26:36 AM  

rolladuck: And I'm excited to see how they handle the Taliban.


"Hi. We'd like to buy your minerals while you do whatever the hell you want with the rest of the country". There, handled.
 
2021-09-20 11:08:30 AM  
phalamir: aleister_greynight: I really am so tired of China's butthurt, just let the stupid one China policy go already.  They left, they don't want to be part of your country.  Let it go already. You're one the biggest countries in the world, you don't need that tiny island.

They haven't.  They do.  The Taiwanese have downplayed it for the last couple of decades, but except for a couple years when a different party was in charge, Taiwan's official position is that the mainland is a breakaway, renegade province of the real Chinese government in Taipei.  It sounds completely bonkers considering the practical realities of the situation, but Taiwan wants it all back.  Closest I can think of is if Belfast had some provision in their charter that said the RoI was a province of Iand Dublin was an illegitimate government for the Irish.  It would make things simpler if Taiwan were dedicated to complete separation - not easier, perhaps, but simpler.  But they don't, because they still see Beijing as a rebels of the real Chinese government.

That's no longer true.  The DDP (currently in power in Taiwan) generally is pro-independence and doesn't consider China to be a breakway provence.  The KMT - which for years had considered the mainland to be a breakaway province, but that position has sofented quite a bit.  They're sort of not really pro indpendece or pro unification.
 
2021-09-20 11:29:30 AM  

OptimisticCynicism: Trayal: If the CCP lets Taiwan go, then they lose significant legitimacy in the minds of their population.

I mean you can look at Germany and France historically squabbling over some land rights. You know... 30 years war, WW1 and such.

Rome/Byzantium got pretty pissy over losing Egypt. The Ottomans and Austria squabbled over the Balkans.

Territorial expansion is good for domestic pride. Losing territories is a big political blow. I absolutely hate the Chinese "face" system, but it is just a non-western medium communicating dynamics that exist everywhere.

Both China and Taiwan have ownership of the other side as a fundamental narrative about their identity. The Taiwanese have a better idea that their narrative is BS, but given what China just did to Hong Kong the mainland thinks they can keep believing their story. A lot of people have died believing rubbish claims of ownership in the past, and this easily may turn into another case. Or WW3.

China is essentially acting like how Putin wishes he could. Same dynamic of a nationalistic bully, but Putin has less levers of power.


Except China doesn't need to actually invade Taiwan; it's all theater. China is Taiwan's #1 trade partner and are already getting everything they want from the island. Plus the island provides useful red meat to stir up the population whenever the CCP needs to divert attention from their own stupidity.

They know Taiwan can't do anything on its own, and an invasion of Taiwan would be far too damaging to the PLA and Taiwan's infrastructure to be worth it.

Why attack the farm and potentially kill the cow when you're already getting the milk anyway?
 
2021-09-20 11:43:19 AM  

phalamir: aleister_greynight: I really am so tired of China's butthurt, just let the stupid one China policy go already.  They left, they don't want to be part of your country.  Let it go already. You're one the biggest countries in the world, you don't need that tiny island.

They haven't.  They do.  The Taiwanese have downplayed it for the last couple of decades, but except for a couple years when a different party was in charge, Taiwan's official position is that the mainland is a breakaway, renegade province of the real Chinese government in Taipei.  It sounds completely bonkers considering the practical realities of the situation, but Taiwan wants it all back.  Closest I can think of is if Belfast had some provision in their charter that said the RoI was a province of NI and Dublin was an illegitimate government for the Irish.  It would make things simpler if Taiwan were dedicated to complete separation - not easier, perhaps, but simpler.  But they don't, because they still see Beijing as a rebels of the real Chinese government.


Nah, it hasn't been like this for quite a while. Although occassionally some rightwinger might pay lipservice to the idea, no one takes it seriously anymore.  The generation that came to Taiwan with Chiang Kai Shek is mostly dead. The younger generations who are born in Taiwan consider themselves Taiwanese, and just want to live in an independent and free Taiwan without fear of being invaded by China.
 
2021-09-20 11:44:20 AM  

Lord Putin: Why attack the farm and potentially kill the cow when you're already getting the milk anyway?


You could have made the same argument around Hong Kong. China is obsessed with uniformity. I agree they love using Taiwan as a scarecrow, but they'd just expand their targets(Vietnam, Korea, Japan) if they needed to. Given the history of the region, they have plenty of places they can make absurd claims to.

I think China would love to crack down on Taiwan, but they will bide their time until they think the pain is minimal and the outside world can't stop them.
 
2021-09-20 3:47:57 PM  
Don't half ass it.  It's "Embassy of the Republic of China".
 
2021-09-20 8:55:49 PM  

Shaggy_C: America just can't resist being the cowboy on the world stage. Wasn't that long ago we decided to move our embassy in Israel to Jerusalem just to antagonise the Palestinians. Now we purposely antagonise China.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.



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