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2021-09-19 8:59:25 AM  
It's probably best not to teach controversial subjects. Never discuss religion or politics.
 
2021-09-19 9:00:06 AM  
That's because we have publicly elected school boards, which is one of the dumbest ideas ever conceived.
 
2021-09-19 9:58:23 AM  

kdawg7736: It's probably best not to teach controversial subjects. Never discuss religion or politics.


Which is the core fo the problem. The Ralph Reed disciples wish to do precisely that by turning our schools into Christian madrassas as they imagined existed a century ago.
 
2021-09-19 10:55:40 AM  
Lying to kids is pretty popular in certain circles. Pointing out that lying to kids is wrong never seems to start a useful dialog. One side says "we need to talk about this" and the other side says "you need a knuckle sandwich."

I bet a lot of teenage anger and disassociation stems from the fact that eventually teens realize that they were being lied to.
 
2021-09-19 11:12:02 AM  

edmo: Which is the core fo the problem. The Ralph Reed disciples wish to do precisely that by turning our schools into Christian madrassas as they imagined existed a century ago.


This is going to be an unpopular post, but liberals are guilty of the same thing when it comes to public schools:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/arc​h​ive/2021/03/should-black-lives-matter-​agenda-be-taught-school/618277/

That's from The Atlantic, which is hardly a bastion of the hard right. Indoctrination should not be a goal of a public school education, whether religious or political.
 
2021-09-19 11:35:37 AM  

Lsherm: edmo: Which is the core fo the problem. The Ralph Reed disciples wish to do precisely that by turning our schools into Christian madrassas as they imagined existed a century ago.

This is going to be an unpopular post, but liberals are guilty of the same thing when it comes to public schools:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/arch​ive/2021/03/should-black-lives-matter-​agenda-be-taught-school/618277/

That's from The Atlantic, which is hardly a bastion of the hard right. Indoctrination should not be a goal of a public school education, whether religious or political.


Education, by definition, is societal indoctrination.
 
2021-09-19 11:40:59 AM  
Odd. My understanding is that The Culture really only openly fights wars in space away from planets to mitigate harm.

Now the Culture subverting your school to keep kids from becoming jackasses like their parents, yeah, that's how the Culture rolls.

/Please, please help us if you guys are reading this on orbit, we're not going to make it, and most of us really aren't the problem. At least let us emigrate out of here
 
2021-09-19 11:41:28 AM  

Lsherm: edmo: Which is the core fo the problem. The Ralph Reed disciples wish to do precisely that by turning our schools into Christian madrassas as they imagined existed a century ago.

This is going to be an unpopular post, but liberals are guilty of the same thing when it comes to public schools:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/arch​ive/2021/03/should-black-lives-matter-​agenda-be-taught-school/618277/

That's from The Atlantic, which is hardly a bastion of the hard right. Indoctrination should not be a goal of a public school education, whether religious or political.


I'd like to think kids to learn about unconscious and bias at an appropriate age.  Also, media analysis and critical thinking skills at an early an age possible.

I did it with my kids when they were as young as 5.  I used commercials and just asked them simple questions.  What is the commercial trying to do?  Do you everything the commercial says is true?  What do you think they are exaggerating?  You make the questions more complicated as they get older?  Not heard.  Great sense of accomplishment when you walk into a room and your kids are both talking about how a particular commercial is full of shiat (but not using that word).

Schools/parents should teach kids the skills necessary so when they hear, for instance, that black people target minorities, they can actually figure our that it is actually true.  And, when they here that cops are just doing their job, they are actually full of shiat.

Teach them how to see the truth - don't tell them what the truth is on social issues (you won't have to).
 
2021-09-19 11:42:59 AM  
If I were president, I'd commission a committee to figure the best way to bloodlessly divide the country. To at least come up with some plans. It's going to happen, might as well prepare.
 
2021-09-19 11:44:39 AM  

harleyquinnical: Education, by definition, is societal indoctrination.


Agreed, but that's why the fights are so intense. Your idea of education will not necessarily line up with mine. Realistically, it almost never will.
 
2021-09-19 11:45:47 AM  

mrshowrules: Lsherm: edmo: Which is the core fo the problem. The Ralph Reed disciples wish to do precisely that by turning our schools into Christian madrassas as they imagined existed a century ago.

This is going to be an unpopular post, but liberals are guilty of the same thing when it comes to public schools:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/arch​ive/2021/03/should-black-lives-matter-​agenda-be-taught-school/618277/

That's from The Atlantic, which is hardly a bastion of the hard right. Indoctrination should not be a goal of a public school education, whether religious or political.

They should teach kids to learn about unconscious bias at an appropriate age.  Also, media analysis and critical thinking skills at early an age possible.

I did it with my kids when they were as young as 5.  I used commercials and just asked them simple questions.  What is the commercial trying to do?  Do you think everything the commercial says is true?  What do you think they are exaggerating?  You make the questions more complicated as they get older?  Not hard.  Great sense of accomplishment when you walk into a room and your kids are both talking about how a particular commercial is full of shiat (but not using that language).

Schools/parents should teach kids the skills necessary so when they hear, for instance, that cops unfairly target minorities, they can actually can figure out that it is actually true.  And, when they here that cops are just doing their job, they are actually full of shiat.

Teach them how to see the truth - don't tell them what the truth is on social issues (you won't have to).


No coffee when I wrote this.  My apologies - full of errors.  Corrections above.
 
2021-09-19 11:47:32 AM  

harleyquinnical: Education, by definition, is societal indoctrination.


You teach them what society is.  You should not teach them what it should be.
 
2021-09-19 12:08:13 PM  

mrshowrules: mrshowrules: Lsherm: edmo: Which is the core fo the problem. The Ralph Reed disciples wish to do precisely that by turning our schools into Christian madrassas as they imagined existed a century ago.

This is going to be an unpopular post, but liberals are guilty of the same thing when it comes to public schools:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/arch​ive/2021/03/should-black-lives-matter-​agenda-be-taught-school/618277/

That's from The Atlantic, which is hardly a bastion of the hard right. Indoctrination should not be a goal of a public school education, whether religious or political.

They should teach kids to learn about unconscious bias at an appropriate age.  Also, media analysis and critical thinking skills at early an age possible.

I did it with my kids when they were as young as 5.  I used commercials and just asked them simple questions.  What is the commercial trying to do?  Do you think everything the commercial says is true?  What do you think they are exaggerating?  You make the questions more complicated as they get older?  Not hard.  Great sense of accomplishment when you walk into a room and your kids are both talking about how a particular commercial is full of shiat (but not using that language).

Schools/parents should teach kids the skills necessary so when they hear, for instance, that cops unfairly target minorities, they can actually can figure out that it is actually true.  And, when they here that cops are just doing their job, they are actually full of shiat.

Teach them how to see the truth - don't tell them what the truth is on social issues (you won't have to).

No coffee when I wrote this.  My apologies - full of errors.  Corrections above.


"Hear."

/ here, here
 
2021-09-19 12:30:35 PM  

Lsherm: edmo: Which is the core fo the problem. The Ralph Reed disciples wish to do precisely that by turning our schools into Christian madrassas as they imagined existed a century ago.

This is going to be an unpopular post, but liberals are guilty of the same thing when it comes to public schools:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/arch​ive/2021/03/should-black-lives-matter-​agenda-be-taught-school/618277/

That's from The Atlantic, which is hardly a bastion of the hard right. Indoctrination should not be a goal of a public school education, whether religious or political.


The Black Lives Matter agenda: be nice to people of color.
 
2021-09-19 12:52:01 PM  

Pocket Ninja: That's because we have publicly elected school boards, which is one of the dumbest ideas ever conceived.


Right up there with New Coke.
 
2021-09-19 12:52:23 PM  
It's getting worse because the Christian fascists realize somewhere in their lizard brain that they're losing power so they're trying to enact as much policy as possible before that happens. That's also why they tried to overthrow the election.
 
2021-09-19 12:54:55 PM  
Was just hearing about this guy on the radio this morning. White students (100's) at Ole' Miss marched on his dorm, chanting for him to be brought out because he refused to wave the confederate flag after he joined the cheerleading squad. In 1982.

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2021-09-19 12:57:39 PM  
Conservatism depends on and promotes ignorance and anti-intellectualism.
 
2021-09-19 12:57:57 PM  
Leaving education up to the states was fine when we relied on whale oil to light up our houses at night.

Not so much anymore. The base level of education and critical thinking required to function in today's society requires a higher standard. Stupid people are holding society back. This is not a repeat from the last 10,000 years of human civilization.
 
2021-09-19 12:59:44 PM  

gameshowhost: Pocket Ninja: That's because we have publicly elected school boards, which is one of the dumbest ideas ever conceived.

Right up there with New Coke.


That's a lopsided view.  Crystal Pepsi was right there with it.
 
2021-09-19 12:59:56 PM  
Anti-Evolution League

See them devolve right before your eyes!

 
2021-09-19 1:01:30 PM  

ElPrimitivo: Was just hearing about this guy on the radio this morning. White students (100's) at Ole' Miss marched on his dorm, chanting for him to be brought out because he refused to wave the confederate flag after he joined the cheerleading squad. In 1982.

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Thank you for that slice of history. RW denial begins in ... Whoops! Is already in progress.
 
2021-09-19 1:01:51 PM  
It's not a culture war, it's a battle between education and willful ignorance.
 
2021-09-19 1:02:39 PM  

Flappyhead: It's not a culture war, it's a battle between education and willful ignorance.


Wilful ignorance is their culture.
 
2021-09-19 1:03:15 PM  

kdawg7736: It's probably best not to teach controversial subjects. Never discuss religion or politics.


Or biology, geology, history, archeology, anthropology, linguistics...

That leaves, what, basket weaving and gym?
 
2021-09-19 1:03:28 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: It's getting worse because the Christian fascists realize somewhere in their lizard brain that they're losing power so they're trying to enact as much policy as possible before that happens. That's also why they tried to overthrow the election.


Yup. We're living through the last gasps of white majority. And they are AFRAID. This is what it looks like and what will be in the history books in a hundred years
 
2021-09-19 1:04:28 PM  

FleshMonkey: Flappyhead: It's not a culture war, it's a battle between education and willful ignorance.

Wilful ignorance is their culture.


Sad but true.
 
2021-09-19 1:05:35 PM  
"Can we agree to disagree about that? Can our schools present multiple views of the nation?"

No. No, they cannot.

One is accurate -- and the other is mythology.
 
2021-09-19 1:10:33 PM  
Just a reminder that LOCAL ELECTIONS MATTER! We get so wrapped up in the national nuts like Trump and Mitch and Kevin. But the things that affect you everyone are because of local elections. There's an election every November - do you know what's on your ballot? City council or school boards or even library boards?

Take some time this weekend to make sure you're registered and look up your sample ballot online so you know who or what is up for a vote. Then vote! Vote every November, vote in primaries, vote in non-November elections. These jerks just assume that liberals don't vote in non-presidential elections and they take advantage of that. It has to stop.
 
2021-09-19 1:11:15 PM  
It's not a Culture War.  It's a whole heck of a lot of people stuck on Child's Hill who both want to stay willfully ignorant and have consistently chosen to choose sources of information that confirm same.

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2021-09-19 1:12:43 PM  

Nuclear Monk: gameshowhost: Pocket Ninja: That's because we have publicly elected school boards, which is one of the dumbest ideas ever conceived.

Right up there with New Coke.

That's a lopsided view.  Crystal Pepsi was right there with it.


"Gentlemen! You're both terrible!"
 
2021-09-19 1:13:41 PM  

Pocket Ninja: That's because we have publicly elected school boards, which is one of the dumbest ideas ever conceived.


Where else can I exert power when I've already been kicked off my HOA board
 
2021-09-19 1:14:08 PM  

Nuclear Monk: gameshowhost: Pocket Ninja: That's because we have publicly elected school boards, which is one of the dumbest ideas ever conceived.

Right up there with New Coke.

That's a lopsided view.  Crystal Pepsi was right there with it.


Crystal Gravy - SNL
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2021-09-19 1:14:48 PM  
When I see a black & white picture of fat guys in white suits and straw boaters I instantly know the article is going to be about systematic racism. Got used to it now.
Anyone who dresses like W.C. Fields with a lobotomy can't be all good.
 
2021-09-19 1:15:09 PM  
I would like to congratulate Politico for managing to BSAB an issue that shouldn't even warrant a second opinion.

Here's my answer to the writer: I don't compromise with Nazis. I punch them in the face.
 
2021-09-19 1:17:19 PM  

edmo: The Black Lives Matter agenda: be nice to people of color.


I realize you didn't read the article - this is Fark and all - but dismissing any criticism of the anti-racism movement leads to charts like this, which is actually from 1978:

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This is, objectively looked at, about as racist as anything a white supremacy movement could come up with, because it directly implies that all of those things are "white." The New York Times had an article about anti-racism training that said expecting people to be on time for meetings was racist.

Self-criticism and self-reflection are signs of intelligence. One sentence summary slogans are not.
 
2021-09-19 1:17:31 PM  

killershark: Just a reminder that LOCAL ELECTIONS MATTER! We get so wrapped up in the national nuts like Trump and Mitch and Kevin. But the things that affect you everyone are because of local elections. There's an election every November - do you know what's on your ballot? City council or school boards or even library boards?

Take some time this weekend to make sure you're registered and look up your sample ballot online so you know who or what is up for a vote. Then vote! Vote every November, vote in primaries, vote in non-November elections. These jerks just assume that liberals don't vote in non-presidential elections and they take advantage of that. It has to stop.


It's a good sentiment, but with the near death of local press, researching local candidates is far more of a challenge than most people are willing to undertake...particular for something like a school board member
 
2021-09-19 1:18:23 PM  

Blathering Idjut: It's not a Culture War.  It's a whole heck of a lot of people stuck on Child's Hill who both want to stay willfully ignorant and have consistently chosen to choose sources of information that confirm same.

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I like that! *click and save*

Thank you!
 
2021-09-19 1:19:26 PM  
What dis you expect would happen once Leftist started teaching children to hate their country, themselves, and their God?
 
2021-09-19 1:20:23 PM  

Flappyhead: It's not a culture war, it's a battle between education and willful ignorance.


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2021-09-19 1:21:44 PM  
The so-called conservative "silent majority" are becoming an increasingly small minority, and with that change they're becoming more and more willing to impose anti-democratic rule from that minority.
 
2021-09-19 1:23:18 PM  

killershark: Just a reminder that LOCAL ELECTIONS MATTER! We get so wrapped up in the national nuts like Trump and Mitch and Kevin. But the things that affect you everyone are because of local elections. There's an election every November - do you know what's on your ballot? City council or school boards or even library boards?

Take some time this weekend to make sure you're registered and look up your sample ballot online so you know who or what is up for a vote. Then vote! Vote every November, vote in primaries, vote in non-November elections. These jerks just assume that liberals don't vote in non-presidential elections and they take advantage of that. It has to stop.


That's why the big moneyed interests love national news because they can dick around with local issues more easily.
 
2021-09-19 1:23:18 PM  

Lsherm: edmo: The Black Lives Matter agenda: be nice to people of color.

I realize you didn't read the article - this is Fark and all - but dismissing any criticism of the anti-racism movement leads to charts like this, which is actually from 1978:

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This is, objectively looked at, about as racist as anything a white supremacy movement could come up with, because it directly implies that all of those things are "white." The New York Times had an article about anti-racism training that said expecting people to be on time for meetings was racist.

Self-criticism and self-reflection are signs of intelligence. One sentence summary slogans are not.


As long as, like conservatives always do, you take it completely out of context and, like a conservative/idiot, assume it means that no one else can have those values and/or anyone else has the opposite values.
 
2021-09-19 1:26:17 PM  
Really? Worst it has ever been? Out history and civics classes are awful cold war propaganda that left generations ignorant of the struggles that persist today in this country.
 
2021-09-19 1:28:52 PM  
There has always been a "culture war" in our society. It is because religion is a mental disorder.
 
2021-09-19 1:28:53 PM  

edmo: Lsherm: edmo: Which is the core fo the problem. The Ralph Reed disciples wish to do precisely that by turning our schools into Christian madrassas as they imagined existed a century ago.

This is going to be an unpopular post, but liberals are guilty of the same thing when it comes to public schools:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/arch​ive/2021/03/should-black-lives-matter-​agenda-be-taught-school/618277/

That's from The Atlantic, which is hardly a bastion of the hard right. Indoctrination should not be a goal of a public school education, whether religious or political.

The Black Lives Matter agenda: be nice to people of color.


But everyone keeps telling me the BLM agenda is 'KILL WHITEY!'
 
2021-09-19 1:28:57 PM  

yohohogreengiant: Odd. My understanding is that The Culture really only openly fights wars in space away from planets to mitigate harm.

Now the Culture subverting your school to keep kids from becoming jackasses like their parents, yeah, that's how the Culture rolls.

/Please, please help us if you guys are reading this on orbit, we're not going to make it, and most of us really aren't the problem. At least let us emigrate out of here


Hell , I'd displace to a damn Affronter craft if I could at this point.
 
2021-09-19 1:30:45 PM  
This school board meeting craziness is going to cause more sane people to quit those positions.  School boards are going to get taken over by the crazies.
 
2021-09-19 1:32:40 PM  

Lucky LaRue: What dis you expect would happen once Leftist started teaching children to hate their country, themselves, and their God?


Teaching children what ACTUALLY happened is not teaching children to hate their country or themselves. But it does give them the knowledge they need to make our country a better place for each other, the people that this country has systematically shiat on and abused, themselves and their future children.

Why wouldn't you want them to make America a better place for everyone that lives here?
 
2021-09-19 1:34:55 PM  
The real problem is the real silent majority needs to tell the vocal lunatic fringe to shut the fuxk up.
 
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