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(Salon)   Apparently the creative team behind "Joe Camel" ended up working for gun makers "We're targeting the six- to 12-year-old range and feel that...the child can use the rifle, potentially out to 15 years old"   (salon.com) divider line
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2021-09-19 8:13:34 AM  
Over the past several decades, gun manufacturers have largely marketed toward younger audiences through traditional modes of print advertising, like magazines and catalogues. But more recently, they've drastically narrowed their focus on one channel in particular: social media.
This largely appears to be the case with Smith & Wesson, which now heavily relies on its Instagram page in particular to promote its products. While Smith & Wesson engages in many of the tactics discussed above - that is, posting pictures of teens shooting guns and drawing dubious associations between its products and the military - Smith & Wesson also apparently employs its own "influencers" and "sponsored shooters" to connect more intimately with younger audiences.
The phenomenon, Everytown's complaint alleges, is especially controversial because these personalities routinely fail to disclose their financial linkages to Smith & Wesson, despite promoting the company's products. The result, Brown told Salon, is that the company's influencers are able to pass off their paid promotions as authentic opinions - and in the process, avoid a relationship with youngsters feels "transactional."


I bet Kyle Rittenhouse, Dylan Roof,and Nick Cruz feel lije suckers now for doing all that advertising for free...
 
2021-09-19 9:07:41 AM  
This isn't new

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2021-09-19 10:13:09 AM  
I have a Joe Camel leather jacket. (Remember Camel Cash, where you traded cigarette pack labels for merch, so the more you smoked, the more merch you got?) I got it second hand, and it's a nice jacket. But I can't help thinking that I'm wearing someone's lung cancer.
 
2021-09-19 10:14:31 AM  
We don't even trust kids to drive until 16/17/18 because they don't process information well. They don't properly calculate the outcomes involved in decisions. Kids have a really hard time with risk assessment.

This is a real problem when dealing with bullets. Nothing is more undoable than pulling the trigger.
 
2021-09-19 10:42:03 AM  
Joe Camel was never aimed at kids.
 
2021-09-19 10:43:45 AM  
No shiat:

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This ad is at least ten years old.
 
2021-09-19 10:43:47 AM  
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2021-09-19 10:44:18 AM  

namegoeshere: I have a Joe Camel leather jacket. (Remember Camel Cash, where you traded cigarette pack labels for merch, so the more you smoked, the more merch you got?) I got it second hand, and it's a nice jacket. But I can't help thinking that I'm wearing someone's lung cancer.


Estate sale?
 
2021-09-19 10:45:03 AM  
Good.  We need young kids interested in the shooting sports and responsible gun ownership.

Natural talent peaks around 15, so they need to be involved before then so their talent keeps growing with practice.  Wait until someone is 14/15/16 to start them, and they'll quit as they're surpassed by much younger shooters that have been shooting for longer.

A kid should be behind a BB gun by first grade, and a .22 by 5th grade, and be able to recite and follow all the rules of gun safety by kindergarten.
 
2021-09-19 10:46:22 AM  
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2021-09-19 10:48:44 AM  
At least our child soldiers can shoot straight.
 
2021-09-19 10:49:24 AM  
I don't know. I think kids can be responsibly introduced to the sport of shooting and that getting them proper safety training young will help prevent negligent discharges if there are weapons in the house (beyond the basic safety measures of locking the weapon, storing the weapon in a locked container, keeping the weapon unloaded and keeping ammunition in a separate locked area). Start them young with proper lessons, be good supervisory parents and the lessons should stick.

Kids are able to be taught several key safety lessons before they are 10. Look at all the kids wearing masks these days without issue. Kids in the right environment can bike into town by themselves to go to the library or grab an ice cream. I started shooting in the Scouts, so about sixth grade or ten years old.

What I do not agree with is exposing them to the entire crazy AR-15 NRA culture, which is just a plainly toxic, materialistic competitive environment full of untrained yahoos compensating for something. Kids at most should start with a bolt action .22 and be allowed to move up to a larger hunting caliber .30-06, .307 Winchester and shotguns. At no point should they have pistols. AR-15s and the like should be reserved for adults and maybe high school shooting clubs, but honestly they serve one purpose: as a weapon of war. That genie, however, is long out of the bottle.
 
2021-09-19 10:50:51 AM  
I was shooting guns at around 8 or 9. If you're supervised by an adult I don't see what the problem is.
 
2021-09-19 10:52:18 AM  
I don't see a problem with this. A gun, when used with supervision on a firing range, is relatively safe. The child is more likely to get killed riding a bike or swimming.

A car, on the other hand, needs constant attention for prolonged periods of time. If you get distracted, and there are a lot of distractions, you can't just stop to gather your thoughts. And presumably they are driving without supervision, as that's the whole point.

//I strongly advocate for stricter gun controls, but clutching at pearls won't get us there.
 
2021-09-19 10:55:45 AM  
"He started playing violent video games as a middle school student"

I wish they would stop using this as the first explanation for their behavior into violence.. if you can't decide the difference between real and video games and act based on what you see in video games it's not the games fault. either the person was already wired to go nuts or parents didn't raise them well enough. but nope gotta blame gta and COD and other violent video games or the other one is usually blaming hardmetla/rock/rap.and can't cast any blame on the parents.
 
2021-09-19 10:56:20 AM  
...And how many of them subsequently found themselves working in the Colombian and Bolivian Pharmaceuticals trade right around the same time?

You know, it was George Jung, who said that coke was such a hell of a drug that it created its own superstars. There were movie stars, and rock stars, and then there were coke stars...
 
2021-09-19 10:56:34 AM  
I was given my own rifle at 12. Was raised with responsibility. This was not uncommon at all in the area I grew up in.

Shooting safety classes in Scouts, etc.

It's why I strongly believe that not every single nutjob should have a farking gun.

"Well REGULATED militia..."
 
2021-09-19 10:57:29 AM  

GardenWeasel: This isn't new

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Funny thing is, in many (most of the ?) countries the boys would grow up, and grow out of this kind of thing...
 
2021-09-19 10:57:45 AM  

Mogani: "He started playing violent video games as a middle school student"

I wish they would stop using this as the first explanation for their behavior into violence.. if you can't decide the difference between real and video games and act based on what you see in video games it's not the games fault. either the person was already wired to go nuts or parents didn't raise them well enough. but nope gotta blame gta and COD and other violent video games or the other one is usually blaming hardmetla/rock/rap.and can't cast any blame on the parents.


Violent video games are just a symptom of a violent culture. The enemy is us.
 
2021-09-19 10:58:41 AM  
my sons started with a bow at 8, once they mastered it they went to air rifles and now each have .22s.
 
2021-09-19 10:58:44 AM  
Training kids in firearm safety and taking them to the range isn't a bad thing.

Indoctrinating them to believe that guns are more important than any other issue, that's evil.
 
2021-09-19 10:59:37 AM  
Training kids in gun safety and continually hammering at them, over many years, safe practices for firearms should build habits that last through adulthood and then they'll pass on these habits to their kids.

Advertising guns for kids? Nope. No way in hell.
 
2021-09-19 11:01:02 AM  

Grauenwolf: I don't see a problem with this. A gun, when used with supervision on a firing range, is relatively safe. The child is more likely to get killed riding a bike or swimming.

A car, on the other hand, needs constant attention for prolonged periods of time. If you get distracted, and there are a lot of distractions, you can't just stop to gather your thoughts. And presumably they are driving without supervision, as that's the whole point.

//I strongly advocate for stricter gun controls, but clutching at pearls won't get us there.


Interesting comparison.
What about young kids unsupervised with guns as opposed to supervised and riding a bike or swimming?

What about supervised while riding a bike, swimming, and shooting two guns in the air whilst going "YAAAAARRRGH"?
 
2021-09-19 11:01:04 AM  
They're biatching about the T/C HotShot?

A crack-barrel, single shot 22 LR target rifle?

Seriously?  This is what they want to biatch about?  A rifle designed for organized kid's shooting sports is designed for kids and comes with a stock extender?
 
2021-09-19 11:01:53 AM  

The Brains: Mogani: "He started playing violent video games as a middle school student"

I wish they would stop using this as the first explanation for their behavior into violence.. if you can't decide the difference between real and video games and act based on what you see in video games it's not the games fault. either the person was already wired to go nuts or parents didn't raise them well enough. but nope gotta blame gta and COD and other violent video games or the other one is usually blaming hardmetla/rock/rap.and can't cast any blame on the parents.

Violent video games are just a symptom of a violent culture. The enemy is us.


I'm not going to blame video games, but (and we all know what comes after but).

Look who paid to develop the original lifelike FPS games.  It was the US government, because they wanted to desensitize kids to the idea of shooting people.

Historically, most shots "happened" to go high (I.e., most people don't want to shoot people).  Realistic FPS development was funded to get better first round hit probability in war.
 
2021-09-19 11:04:26 AM  
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'Murica
 
2021-09-19 11:05:07 AM  

GoodHomer: Training kids in gun safety and continually hammering at them, over many years, safe practices for firearms should build habits that last through adulthood and then they'll pass on these habits to their kids.

Advertising guns for kids? Nope. No way in hell.


This - but the strategy is to disguise the former as the latter. Has been for years.
Kids who don't actually need guns in their day to day lives should not have them, except under direct adult supervision.
In a typical household, keep them in the gun safe until age 18.
 
2021-09-19 11:05:08 AM  
Usually you have to find a dick, but with this character. you have to find the camel.
 
2021-09-19 11:06:11 AM  

namegoeshere: I have a Joe Camel leather jacket. (Remember Camel Cash, where you traded cigarette pack labels for merch, so the more you smoked, the more merch you got?) I got it second hand, and it's a nice jacket. But I can't help thinking that I'm wearing someone's lung cancer.


I'm surprised it doesn't reek of tobacco and phlegm.
 
2021-09-19 11:09:37 AM  
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/Miss ya Normie.
 
2021-09-19 11:10:19 AM  
The epidemic of Gun violence in the United States is a public health issue, not a political one.  The President, and the CDC have broad legal authority to implement rules to address public health emergencies.
 
2021-09-19 11:10:50 AM  
Holy fark you people are crazy with the guns.
How about simply not having guns as a thing in your life?
Imaine going around, never thinking much about guns really for your whole life. What a weird thing, eh?
 
2021-09-19 11:12:22 AM  

Porous Horace: Holy fark you people are crazy with the guns.
How about simply not having guns as a thing in your life?
Imaine going around, never thinking much about guns really for your whole life. What a weird thing, eh?


Yes, now GTFO as the adults are having a reasonable conversation.

Good day.
 
2021-09-19 11:12:26 AM  
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The twin boys of my sociopath MAGA co-worker. Behind that badge is Obama giving a speech to Congress. Co-worker also wished Obama had taken a trip by the school book depository during a visit to Dallas.
 
2021-09-19 11:14:51 AM  
Someone with a degree in marketing is capable of making a really bad lawyer seem like an angel.
 
2021-09-19 11:16:12 AM  
Oh yeah, the educated gun youth... featuring a picture of some kid with shiat trigger discipline.


This lip service to "respect guns" while actually treating them as toys is our problem.

That and weirdos that are terrified of everything that doesn't look like themselves.
 
2021-09-19 11:19:03 AM  

wax_on: I was shooting guns at around 8 or 9. If you're supervised by an adult I don't see what the problem is.


Was the gun fetishized to you as a substitute for virility and accomplishment? That's the big difference.
 
2021-09-19 11:19:48 AM  

The Brains: I was given my own rifle at 12. Was raised with responsibility. This was not uncommon at all in the area I grew up in.

Shooting safety classes in Scouts, etc.

It's why I strongly believe that not every single nutjob should have a farking gun.

"Well REGULATED militia..."


I got my hunter's safety cert. from the frigging NRA (who were operating out of a YMCA) when I was a wee lad... their leadership might have been crazy by then but the local outposts hadn't gone bonkers yet a/o the late 1970s.

/can't believe how absolutely cavalier so many of the nutters are with firearms
//they routinely break endless safety rules that *the nra itself* taught me
 
2021-09-19 11:19:59 AM  

Grauenwolf: I don't see a problem with this. A gun, when used with supervision on a firing range, is relatively safe. The child is more likely to get killed riding a bike or swimming.

A car, on the other hand, needs constant attention for prolonged periods of time. If you get distracted, and there are a lot of distractions, you can't just stop to gather your thoughts. And presumably they are driving without supervision, as that's the whole point.

//I strongly advocate for stricter gun controls, but clutching at pearls won't get us there.


And here's the standard "guns vs cars" distraction comment.

Right on cue for any gun thread...
 
2021-09-19 11:20:25 AM  
If Subby does not know that young boys like guns, he just basically admitted to never living in a rural area. Where I grew up, I doubt that there was  family with at least one boy that did not have a firearm for them. Admittedly it was generally a BB or pellet gun, but the adults had much more powerful firearms. One parent had his rifle stolen by his two boys more than once.

There is a 1949 episode of Dragnet (radio) called "Rifle for Christmas" which involves a christmas gift for a child. Hilarity did not ensue.
 
2021-09-19 11:22:11 AM  
I was taught to shoot when I was 14.  I went through hunter safety (when the NRA werent complete douches like now).  I learned to respect the power and danger of firearms.  We didnt worship the gun and didnt get into gun culture.  They were never talked about unless it was to go hunting a few times a year or target practice.

All power corrupts without wisdom and maturity to limit yourself and others until they reach wisdom and maturity.  There are many 40 and 70 year old children out there they are free to operate that way.
 
2021-09-19 11:22:48 AM  

MillionDollarMo: Grauenwolf: I don't see a problem with this. A gun, when used with supervision on a firing range, is relatively safe. The child is more likely to get killed riding a bike or swimming.

A car, on the other hand, needs constant attention for prolonged periods of time. If you get distracted, and there are a lot of distractions, you can't just stop to gather your thoughts. And presumably they are driving without supervision, as that's the whole point.

//I strongly advocate for stricter gun controls, but clutching at pearls won't get us there.

Interesting comparison.
What about young kids unsupervised with guns as opposed to supervised and riding a bike or swimming?

What about supervised while riding a bike, swimming, and shooting two guns in the air whilst going "YAAAAARRRGH"?


It's not interesting comparison, it's just the most recent standard bullshiat deflection that we seeing gun threads now.
 
2021-09-19 11:23:01 AM  

MegaLib: The epidemic of Gun violence in the United States is a public health issue, not a political one.  The President, and the CDC have broad legal authority to implement rules to address public health emergencies.


There is no "epidemic of gun violence".

Look at gunshot stats year over year going back 30, 50, 60, however many years you want to go back.

By all metrics, we're better now than then - even with better reporting and recordkeeping today.

Numerically everything is getting better - so why do you *think* it's getting worse.
 
2021-09-19 11:28:55 AM  

ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: MegaLib: The epidemic of Gun violence in the United States is a public health issue, not a political one.  The President, and the CDC have broad legal authority to implement rules to address public health emergencies.

There is no "epidemic of gun violence".

Look at gunshot stats year over year going back 30, 50, 60, however many years you want to go back.

By all metrics, we're better now than then - even with better reporting and recordkeeping today.

Numerically everything is getting better - so why do you *think* it's getting worse.



Rates of malaria infection around the world have improved a bit, so I guess we don't need to worry about malaria anymore, either.
 
2021-09-19 11:30:12 AM  
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Can't remember seeing a gun add outside of one of these. Anyone?
 
2021-09-19 11:30:21 AM  

ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: MegaLib: The epidemic of Gun violence in the United States is a public health issue, not a political one.  The President, and the CDC have broad legal authority to implement rules to address public health emergencies.

There is no "epidemic of gun violence".

Look at gunshot stats year over year going back 30, 50, 60, however many years you want to go back.

By all metrics, we're better now than then - even with better reporting and recordkeeping today.

Numerically everything is getting better - so why do you *think* it's getting worse.


[citation required]
 
2021-09-19 11:33:43 AM  
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2021-09-19 11:35:49 AM  
You have to indoctrinate and desensitize kids when they are the most impressionable. Once a bullet leaves the barrel, trigger discipline, capacity terminology, caliber specifications, and pure libertarian spirit will prevent it from creating an unintended consequence. Only an irresponsible parent would forgoe such training at the local freedom community shooting range.
 
2021-09-19 11:36:28 AM  
Woo gun thread! Ehh same thing again. Florida sucks, they should never have let Cruze buy a gun, that guy should have been in jail well before the shooting. I don't see what that has to do with responsible gun safety education and marksmanship among capable young people.
Grow up in a rural area. You shoot from a young age. I hear more gunshots daily then anyone who lives in a shiatty part of Chicago does in their lives. Except they're by responsible people shooting at targets or game. I can't think of an accidental death or shooting injury or even murder.
 
2021-09-19 11:37:48 AM  

ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: Good.  We need young kids interested in the shooting sports and responsible gun ownership.

Natural talent peaks around 15, so they need to be involved before then so their talent keeps growing with practice.  Wait until someone is 14/15/16 to start them, and they'll quit as they're surpassed by much younger shooters that have been shooting for longer.

A kid should be behind a BB gun by first grade, and a .22 by 5th grade, and be able to recite and follow all the rules of gun safety by kindergarten.


I would much rather have kids/young adults have experience and respect for firearms in their formative years, than have only exposure to CoD and Hollywood fetishization.

Kind of like letting your kids sip beer, so they don't go on freedom benders once they go off to college.
 
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