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(The Hill)   Texas doctor reveals that he recently performed an abortion in violation of the state's new controversial law. Just what we need: another story about a guy with big balls to finish up the week's news cycle   (thehill.com) divider line
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2021-09-19 2:07:30 AM  
This doctor should be looking at retiring after a long career of medicine and care. Instead it has fallen upon him to stand and be the test case before SCOTUS. Because farking Texas.
 
2021-09-19 3:18:00 AM  
I wonder if a Freedom of Choice group put him up to it. Good for him either way, it's certain to be a huge pain in the ass.
 
2021-09-19 5:39:13 AM  
If you want to know more about the horrors of abortion being outlawed, I recommend reading the interviews in the first issue of Oz magazine Sydney, from April 1963.

They spoke with two women who had had illegal abortions and a doctor who performed them. All three gave intelligent and thoughtful answers which give a very clear picture of what it was like both for women who had to break the law in order to have a medical procedure done and for the physicians forced to provide care for their patients in secret.

From the linked page you can download a PDF or read in your browser.
 
2021-09-19 5:53:48 AM  
*checks the clock* It is 2021, why the fark is any of this news?  The horrible situation of a poor woman, requiring minor surgery, should not be news.

A WOMAN'S BODY, A WOMAN'S CHOICE!!!

Oh and medical decisions involving a global pandemic are not remotely the same thing!!!!!
 
2021-09-19 5:55:38 AM  

Gordon Bennett: If you want to know more about the horrors of abortion being outlawed, I recommend reading the interviews in the first issue of Oz magazine Sydney, from April 1963.

They spoke with two women who had had illegal abortions and a doctor who performed them. All three gave intelligent and thoughtful answers which give a very clear picture of what it was like both for women who had to break the law in order to have a medical procedure done and for the physicians forced to provide care for their patients in secret.

From the linked page you can download a PDF or read in your browser.


We have an easy drug now that would help a lot of it, even though horrific depending on how long along the pregnacy is, but that drug is also illegal or very hard to get ... .
 
2021-09-19 5:56:12 AM  
Which reminds me to mail my dry cleaning coat hangers to the Texass Governor with a 10,000.00 bill for each for taking weapons of mass  back alley abortions off the street.
 
2021-09-19 6:02:39 AM  
So no pro-lifers have sued under their shiny new law?

It's like they lack the courage of their convictions...
 
2021-09-19 6:08:43 AM  

PunGent: So no pro-lifers have sued under their shiny new law?

It's like they lack the courage of their convictions...


I'd wager they lack both
 
2021-09-19 6:43:18 AM  

EvilEgg: I wonder if a Freedom of Choice group put him up to it. Good for him either way, it's certain to be a huge pain in the ass.


Probably.

Someone needs to push the envelope.  Probably they already have the response to the complaint written out.
 
2021-09-19 6:52:49 AM  
Sounds like a lawsuit and an ethics complaint for practicing illegal medicine.
 
2021-09-19 6:55:53 AM  
Just want to say I personally visited 42 out of the 48 states (freak states like Alaska and Hawaii don't count) and I never set foot in Texas. I was wise in this decision.
 
2021-09-19 7:08:54 AM  
This doctor does indeed have big balls.

Perhaps he should get in touch with Nicki Minaj?
 
2021-09-19 7:09:51 AM  

Gordon Bennett: If you want to know more about the horrors of abortion being outlawed, I recommend reading the interviews in the first issue of Oz magazine Sydney, from April 1963.

They spoke with two women who had had illegal abortions and a doctor who performed them. All three gave intelligent and thoughtful answers which give a very clear picture of what it was like both for women who had to break the law in order to have a medical procedure done and for the physicians forced to provide care for their patients in secret.

From the linked page you can download a PDF or read in your browser.


For a more dramatic take, there's Mike Leigh's film Vera Drake.
 
2021-09-19 7:14:21 AM  
Probability of eugenicist- high
 
2021-09-19 7:24:16 AM  
"One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws." - MLK Jr
 
2021-09-19 7:25:37 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Sounds like a lawsuit and an ethics complaint for practicing illegal medicine.


You're a bad person.  Even you must know this.  Shame.
 
2021-09-19 7:29:20 AM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: Probability of eugenicist- high


Based on what, exactly?
 
2021-09-19 7:32:42 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Sounds like a lawsuit and an ethics complaint for practicing illegal medicine.


Nope, sounds like a test case for an unconstitutional  and unnecessary law.

But, look Lucky, here's your big chance to win $10,000
 
2021-09-19 7:34:59 AM  

Gyrfalcon: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: Probability of eugenicist- high

Based on what, exactly?


in before "Something something Marget Sanger"
 
2021-09-19 7:49:52 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Sounds like a lawsuit and an ethics complaint for practicing illegal medicine.


Nope.  Not illegal.  He's legally allowed to provide abortions.

He just is unfortunately opened up to civil liabilities from parties which have no standing.
 
2021-09-19 7:53:45 AM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: Probability of eugenicist- high


Begone, foul troll.
 
2021-09-19 8:02:09 AM  
The short thing I post in threads like this elsewhere, if anybody feels like copying the second paragraph, feel free:

Being around Alcoholics Anonymous for nearly 40 years, I have heard a lot of stories. The woman I know with the most abortions is a devout Christian Southern trophy wife who last I heard about a decade ago had 11 abortions, because birth control was "against Christianity".

The Bible supports abortion performed by priests by giving an abortifacient to women in 20 unambiguous verses, Numbers 5:11-31, "The test for an unfaithful wife", and read about the procedure performed with the only law that requires God's consent and help in Wikipedia's "Ordeal of the bitter water": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordeal_​o​f_the_bitter_water
 
2021-09-19 8:03:03 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Sounds like a lawsuit and an ethics complaint for practicing illegal medicine.


I know you're are troll, but it's important to note that Texas is trying to skirt Roe V. Wade by not making abortions illegal. This is the thing that makes the law absurd: it is perfectly legal to perform an abortion in Texas. However, any citizen in Texas can claim civil harm when you do, and sue you for civil reparations.

kidgenius: He just is unfortunately opened up to civil liabilities from parties which have no standing.


Pedantically, the law gives them standing, which is obviously on its face absurd. And this is still why I think when the case finally goes in front of the courts, even the most Handmaid's Tale judges on the planet aren't going to let the law stand, because no matter how anti-choice they want to be, this law is stupid on so many levels. "You can pass any law you like so long as the penalties are just civil and require private citizens to sue!" is essentially Calvinball logic, and if the courts let that precedent stand, the entire legal system ceases to function.
 
2021-09-19 8:04:53 AM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: Probability of eugenicist- high


You can already feel yourselves losing this one, can't you?
You guys are so transparent.
You are already booking your excuses for losing.
It's a good thing too - Progressive policies actually results in fewer dead babies (abortions, stillbirths, and infanticides) and less human suffering than the falsely named "pro-life" policies.
 
2021-09-19 8:07:27 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Sounds like a lawsuit and an ethics complaint for practicing illegal medicine.


Boy - you REALLY aren't going to like the next generation of gun laws if this legal "strategy" is allowed to stand.
 
2021-09-19 8:14:01 AM  
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2021-09-19 8:14:37 AM  
Trolling FARK on a Sunday morning?  Dude, that's "start a GoFundMe" levels of sad.
 
2021-09-19 8:19:02 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Sounds like a lawsuit and an ethics complaint for practicing illegal medicine.


It's not illegal to perform an abortion in Texas.  The new law allows anyone to harass and sue the woman, the doctor, and anyone else related to the procedure.  Banning abortions would have been struck down by SCOTUS; allowing vigilantes to go after those involved gets around the Roe v. Wade ruling, and SCOTUS was okay with that.
 
2021-09-19 8:21:55 AM  

indy_kid: and SCOTUS was okay with that.


No, SCOTUS just didn't put an injunction in place, and that's not that surprising. While they should have, this falls under the logic that "civil processes are slow, so there's no emergency need to prevent civil processes from operating". Of course, that ignores that, y'know, pregnancies don't wait for the courts, and there's a clear chilling effect here. The law will never stand up to judicial review, but it's not surprising (sad, but not surprising) that the SC didn't pun an injunction in place.
 
2021-09-19 8:22:39 AM  
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2021-09-19 8:31:02 AM  
So. It was YEARS before I started returning my dry cleaning hangers. Man. I must have thrown away thousands.  I wish the lady would have said something sooner.  What a waste.
 
2021-09-19 8:36:27 AM  

yohohogreengiant: This doctor should be looking at retiring after a long career of medicine and care. Instead it has fallen upon him to stand and be the test case before SCOTUS. Because farking Texas.


This is intentional.

Someone had to be the test case. A younger doctor would have been vilified and harassed for the rest of his/her career.

The Texas State Medical Board would possibly single him/her out and investigate every frivolous or untrue complaint filed by anti-abortionists. Hospitals or health systems would be reluctant to grant privileges to or hire a doctor with such notoriety because of the social media sh*tposts and protesters showing up. Insurance is regulated and implemented state-by-state, so it's possible Texas malpractice insurers would charge an unaffordably high premium or outright refuse to write a policy because of the risk of lawsuits.

He can bear that burden, as he's near the end of his professional career. Plus, he makes a better defendant because he's practiced medicine long enough to personally witness the situation before Roe v Wade. (OK, Boomer!)
 
2021-09-19 8:38:38 AM  

born_yesterday: Trolling FARK on a Sunday morning?  Dude, that's "start a GoFundMe" levels of sad.


Some years back, I asked someone to not tell lies on Fark on Easter Sunday.  Didn't work.
 
2021-09-19 8:44:10 AM  

indy_kid: Lucky LaRue: Sounds like a lawsuit and an ethics complaint for practicing illegal medicine.

It's not illegal to perform an abortion in Texas.  The new law allows anyone to harass and sue the woman, the doctor, and anyone else related to the procedure.  Banning abortions would have been struck down by SCOTUS; allowing vigilantes to go after those involved gets around the Roe v. Wade ruling, and SCOTUS was okay with that.


Which, if accepted by SCOTUS in a final judgment, means all of the constitutional rights you hold dear can be jammed into the same vigilante protection scheme. I vote we start by making it legal to sue people who openly carry guns into grocery stores, gas stations, restaurants, etc.
 
2021-09-19 8:50:54 AM  
The chucklefarks who pushed this through didn't follow the brainfart masquerading as a thought through to its conclusion. RIP, court employee lunch breaks.
 
2021-09-19 8:51:56 AM  

PunGent: So no pro-lifers have sued under their shiny new law?

It's like they lack the courage of their convictions...


If they were smart, they wouldn't sue.  Not suing means that there's no chance of the law being overturned, and many providers will avoid providing abortions because of the law still being in effect.

But pro-lifers include a lot of the stupid crowd.  The lack of lawsuits is probably due to lack of info at this point.  Give it a bit, and someone will sue.
 
2021-09-19 8:52:00 AM  
He should start crowdsourcing his legal funds.  Hell, the ACLU might take this pro bono.
 
2021-09-19 9:00:27 AM  

Flappyhead: He should start crowdsourcing his legal funds.  Hell, the ACLU might take this pro bono.


This is sort of a non-sequitur, but if this were a conservative cause célèbre, there would already be several GoFundMes and GOP politicians grifting the flock, with not a penny going to the actual defendant.

I would hope we're better than that, right? *glares* (ಠ_ಠ)
 
2021-09-19 9:08:05 AM  

Parthenogenetic: yohohogreengiant: This doctor should be looking at retiring after a long career of medicine and care. Instead it has fallen upon him to stand and be the test case before SCOTUS. Because farking Texas.

This is intentional.

Someone had to be the test case. A younger doctor would have been vilified and harassed for the rest of his/her career.

The Texas State Medical Board would possibly single him/her out and investigate every frivolous or untrue complaint filed by anti-abortionists. Hospitals or health systems would be reluctant to grant privileges to or hire a doctor with such notoriety because of the social media sh*tposts and protesters showing up. Insurance is regulated and implemented state-by-state, so it's possible Texas malpractice insurers would charge an unaffordably high premium or outright refuse to write a policy because of the risk of lawsuits.

He can bear that burden, as he's near the end of his professional career. Plus, he makes a better defendant because he's practiced medicine long enough to personally witness the situation before Roe v Wade. (OK, Boomer!)


If Doctor Baird were practicing medicine before Roe (1973), he'd more likely be Silent Generation. No fake kudos for the Boomers. The Silent Generation are OG Gen Xers.
 
2021-09-19 9:13:36 AM  
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2021-09-19 9:14:59 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Sounds like a lawsuit and an ethics complaint for practicing illegal medicine.


How to say "I am a moron" without actually saying it.
 
2021-09-19 9:16:11 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Sounds like a lawsuit and an ethics complaint for practicing illegal medicine.


Your mom should have scrambled you with a wire hanger.
 
2021-09-19 9:21:42 AM  
He started practicing medicine in '72, a year before RvW became law. He cared for women who had suffered back alley abortions, and watched them die.

The doctor:
"At the hospital that year, I saw three teenagers die from illegal abortions. One I will never forget. When she came into the ER, her vaginal cavity was packed with rags. She died a few days later from massive organ failure, caused by a septic infection."

"In medical school in Texas, we'd been taught that abortion was an integral part of women's health care. After Roe v. Wade in 1973 recognized abortion as a constitutional right, it enabled me to do the job I was trained to do."
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He's had a long career, and delivered about 10,000 babies. He did this so he will be sued. He's fast tracking this unconstitutional law all the way to the Supreme Court.
 
2021-09-19 9:24:15 AM  
This is bad news for judges.  When a judge is found guilty of violating Constitutional rights, under color of law, it can go poorly.

This is bad news for the Texas bar.  The AG has made it a practice to sue the bar, recently made a state agency instead of a "creation" of the Court.  The AG sues the bar quite a bit.

I would assume he could sue the state medical agencies just as much, even more.

The only profession not being driven out of Texas is the oldest one.
 
2021-09-19 9:26:20 AM  

Flappyhead: He should start crowdsourcing his legal funds.  Hell, the ACLU might take this pro bono.


Pretty sure he had his legal strategy in place before writing that op-ed. It would be insane not to do so.
 
2021-09-19 9:31:26 AM  

johnphantom: The short thing I post in threads like this elsewhere, if anybody feels like copying the second paragraph, feel free:

Being around Alcoholics Anonymous for nearly 40 years, I have heard a lot of stories. The woman I know with the most abortions is a devout Christian Southern trophy wife who last I heard about a decade ago had 11 abortions, because birth control was "against Christianity".

The Bible supports abortion performed by priests by giving an abortifacient to women in 20 unambiguous verses, Numbers 5:11-31, "The test for an unfaithful wife", and read about the procedure performed with the only law that requires God's consent and help in Wikipedia's "Ordeal of the bitter water": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordeal_o​f_the_bitter_water


Is she like the physical manifestation of a reverse pokeball?
 
2021-09-19 9:32:51 AM  
Serious courage to step up to be the plaintiff with standing here, particularly when he knows his about to be served with a few thousand suits seeking $10k a piece from him and especially given the partisans on SCOTUS.

I hope he's taken precautions and moved all his assets to his spouses / kids names first...
 
2021-09-19 9:36:57 AM  

Target Builder: Serious courage to step up to be the plaintiff with standing here, particularly when he knows his about to be served with a few thousand suits seeking $10k a piece from him and especially given the partisans on SCOTUS.

I hope he's taken precautions and moved all his assets to his spouses / kids names first...


Y'all Queda is gearing up. When asked about it they said:
"We are fully aware of this and intend to hold anyone who violates the law accountable. The first step is making sure an actual violation occurred."

Translation, show us the slut so we can devastate her life and run her out of town.

This is going to get nasty, fast.
 
2021-09-19 9:41:44 AM  

johnphantom: Being around Alcoholics Anonymous for nearly 40 years, I have heard a lot of stories. The woman I know with the most abortions is a devout Christian Southern trophy wife who last I heard about a decade ago had 11 abortions, because birth control was "against Christianity".


Similar. I know a woman whose been going to "pro-life" marches since she was in elementary school. Half her Facebook feed is about the evils of abortion. Every election cycle it's been her sole campaign issue.

She's had THREE abortions. Three late term abortions at that too. I know this because she posted about them all on her Facebook.

Now, she doesn't call them "abortions", when she goes to the doctor to terminate a pregnancy of a non-viable / Dead / dying fetus is "completing the miscarriage", it's just she's the only person she believes has such abortions. Every other woman outside of her little life just uses them for birth control.

Anyway she and she and her Church then go hold a little funeral for the failed pregnancy. After the first one I thought maybe the experience would soften her views, but no.

She's thrilled to bits about the Texas law.
 
2021-09-19 9:42:43 AM  

Alphax: born_yesterday: Trolling FARK on a Sunday morning?  Dude, that's "start a GoFundMe" levels of sad.

Some years back, I asked someone to not tell lies on Fark on Easter Sunday.  Didn't work.


Maybe they were FM fans.
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