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2021-09-18 1:44:43 PM  
Car Drivers already do- "CA Stop"- it so why not Cyclists?
 
2021-09-18 6:57:52 PM  
The problem with treating stop signs as yield signs is bicyclists never give the right of way as they are supposed to.  They will ride right in front of a car that is already moving, then yell obscenities at the driver.  I've had this happen more than a few times in San Francisco.  Bicycle messengers are the absolute worse of the bunch.
 
2021-09-18 6:59:38 PM  
I'm a cyclist and I already hate plenty of cyclists.   You're not a Cat 1 racer, moron.   Obey the damned signs and signals.
 
2021-09-18 7:06:34 PM  
And stay away from the Rose Bowl Sunday mornings - sheesh!
 
2021-09-18 7:06:59 PM  

OgreMagi: The problem with treating stop signs as yield signs is bicyclists never give the right of way as they are supposed to.  They will ride right in front of a car that is already moving, then yell obscenities at the driver.  I've had this happen more than a few times in San Francisco.  Bicycle messengers are the absolute worse of the bunch.


I have no compunction about hitting a messenger riding aggressively. Most places though, this law is fine. I lived in Davis for a minute and it will work aces there.
 
2021-09-18 7:07:39 PM  

OgreMagi: The problem with treating stop signs as yield signs is bicyclists never give the right of way as they are supposed to.  They will ride right in front of a car that is already moving, then yell obscenities at the driver.  I've had this happen more than a few times in San Francisco.  Bicycle messengers are the absolute worse of the bunch.


Just had this happen to me a couple weeks ago. Since I was chilling w/ the window open I went with "LOOK AT THE F*CKING YIELD SIGN THAT YOU JUST BLEW THROUGH" and gave the dude the finger right back to him.

/may have added "YOU F*CKING F*CKWIT"
 
2021-09-18 7:09:03 PM  

OgreMagi: The problem with treating stop signs as yield signs is bicyclists never give the right of way as they are supposed to.  They will ride right in front of a car that is already moving, then yell obscenities at the driver.  I've had this happen more than a few times in San Francisco.  Bicycle messengers are the absolute worse of the bunch.



Here they like to get in packs of 30, full kit but slow, and obstruct people that HAVE SHIAT TO DO
 
2021-09-18 7:10:58 PM  
I'm a driver and I already hate plenty of other drivers.  They are the worst. Cyclists?  Well, I have to just laugh sometimes.

But like Jaywalking, ticketing bikers for running a stop sign is just something a-hole cops do.   The less BS laws they have to work with the better.
 
2021-09-18 7:11:22 PM  

OgreMagi: The problem with treating stop signs as yield signs is bicyclists never give the right of way as they are supposed to.  They will ride right in front of a car that is already moving, then yell obscenities at the driver.  I've had this happen more than a few times in San Francisco.  Bicycle messengers are the absolute worse of the bunch.


Yes, always.

Everyone one of them.

Hmm, Google just defined "always" for me. Hmm. Oh well.
 
2021-09-18 7:11:47 PM  

drewogatory: OgreMagi: The problem with treating stop signs as yield signs is bicyclists never give the right of way as they are supposed to.  They will ride right in front of a car that is already moving, then yell obscenities at the driver.  I've had this happen more than a few times in San Francisco.  Bicycle messengers are the absolute worse of the bunch.

I have no compunction about hitting a messenger riding aggressively. Most places though, this law is fine. I lived in Davis for a minute and it will work aces there.


I have no issues with this in more rural areas.  But places like San Francisco are far too dense with traffic for this to be a good idea.  The messengers are already a menace to everyone, pedestrians included, so allowing them to blow through stop signs is only going to compound the problem.
 
2021-09-18 7:13:01 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: OgreMagi: The problem with treating stop signs as yield signs is bicyclists never give the right of way as they are supposed to.  They will ride right in front of a car that is already moving, then yell obscenities at the driver.  I've had this happen more than a few times in San Francisco.  Bicycle messengers are the absolute worse of the bunch.

Yes, always.

Everyone one of them.

Hmm, Google just defined "always" for me. Hmm. Oh well.


I didn't use the word "always".
 
2021-09-18 7:14:17 PM  
Have each city declare itself a bike or car city.  Whatever they declare, ban the other one.

problem solved.
 
2021-09-18 7:14:23 PM  
As an avid cyclist all I have to say to my fellow cyclists is Obey the damn traffic laws you dipshiats. You make us all look bad.
 
2021-09-18 7:14:58 PM  
The speed limit setting rule is going to be interesting.  In many high traffic cities, dropping the speed limit seems to increase the pedestrian accidents exponentially. When pedestrians think all the cars will be moving slow and stop for them, they get it wrong enough times to end up hurt or dead.  Being able to cross between parked cars and the assumption that the cars will see them and stop will result in lots of squished pedestrians.

The yield vs full stop makes sense in that a car will accelerate much faster than a bike and a full stop wastes a bunch of riders energy for no good reason.  I expect someone will need to come up with a better way to deal with yield procedures like the car must yield to any cyclist on the intersection side of the line and the cyclist must yield to any car past stopped if they haven't crossed the line to the intersection.  Most laws regarding the painted stop lines are ambiguous. "In front of" is commonly used but as a driver that sort of implies approaching the line but what does it mean for other cars as peoples minds see that as being past the line.  Even "you must come to a complete stop in front of the stop sign" is interpreted as needing to stop just past the the sign for many people and others think they should stop before the sign.  That gets strange when the road layout and near by obstacles mean you have to stop after the sign to see clearly.
 
2021-09-18 7:16:18 PM  

The Brains: OgreMagi: The problem with treating stop signs as yield signs is bicyclists never give the right of way as they are supposed to.  They will ride right in front of a car that is already moving, then yell obscenities at the driver.  I've had this happen more than a few times in San Francisco.  Bicycle messengers are the absolute worse of the bunch.


Here they like to get in packs of 30, full kit but slow, and obstruct people that HAVE SHIAT TO DO


We used to have a pack of a dozen or so cyclists who liked to ride in one of the regular lanes, ignoring the wider than average bicycle lane, every Thursday during the morning rush hour.  It was clear they were doing it just to be dicks.
 
2021-09-18 7:18:16 PM  
I live in a semi rural area with many 1and a half lane wide roads. I have SO many close calls with idiots on bikes who think that the 36 inch space law makes the immune to bumpers. On twisty rural roads, I frequently come around blind curves to see asshats side by side taking up 2/3 of the the road with a ravine on one side and the side of a mountain on the other. I once came around a blind curve to see an idiot riding down the center of the road waving ME over, followed by a couple riding side by side. These laws just make these selfish twits bolder and bigger targets for ending up dead or injured. The should at least be a caveat for unincorporated areas but I can't make anyone official in my county (Monterey) listen. If it comes down to me hitting an oncoming car or putting some twit on a bike in a ditch then ditch time, sucker!
 
2021-09-18 7:19:06 PM  
Is the blowing through the stop sign a result of the idea that if they aren't going to come to a full stop they might as well not even slow down?  Turning the law into "a stop sign is a yield for cyclist" might change that attitude in a few years but the behavior of the current messengers isn't going to change ever.
 
2021-09-18 7:20:49 PM  

DON.MAC: Is the blowing through the stop sign a result of the idea that if they aren't going to come to a full stop they might as well not even slow down?  Turning the law into "a stop sign is a yield for cyclist" might change that attitude in a few years but the behavior of the current messengers isn't going to change ever.


The messengers in San Francisco don't even slow down for red lights, let alone stop signs.
 
2021-09-18 7:23:11 PM  

OgreMagi: The Brains: OgreMagi: The problem with treating stop signs as yield signs is bicyclists never give the right of way as they are supposed to.  They will ride right in front of a car that is already moving, then yell obscenities at the driver.  I've had this happen more than a few times in San Francisco.  Bicycle messengers are the absolute worse of the bunch.


Here they like to get in packs of 30, full kit but slow, and obstruct people that HAVE SHIAT TO DO

We used to have a pack of a dozen or so cyclists who liked to ride in one of the regular lanes, ignoring the wider than average bicycle lane, every Thursday during the morning rush hour.  It was clear they were doing it just to be dicks.


In my experience, that's 90% of cyclists. They don't give a shiat about the earth, etc. They're motivated by how much of an asshole they can be in an environment that wasn't designed for them at all.
 
2021-09-18 7:25:38 PM  
I drive uber/lyft in Sacramento and it seems sometimes that cyclists have a death wish. Nevermind the tourists who don't normally ride bikes and get the smartbikes on the weekends and don't understand basic bike safety.

I think my favorite was 3 riders riding 3 abreast in downtown Sac, only one was in the bike lane (the old style bike lane with the parked cars, bike lane, then regular traffic configuration). Refused to get over or move.

I'm ok with all of the proposed laws except maybe the parking bus stops one. The bus stop ticket in SF is huge ($350), and many times uber riders will go to the bus stop to be picked up because they think its safer or a better place to get picked up, and get mad when I won't stop there. In both Sac and SF taxis and cops have decided that white zones are their personal parking spaces and so frequently loading zones aren't available.
 
2021-09-18 7:27:27 PM  

Gaythiest Elitist: OgreMagi: The Brains: OgreMagi: The problem with treating stop signs as yield signs is bicyclists never give the right of way as they are supposed to.  They will ride right in front of a car that is already moving, then yell obscenities at the driver.  I've had this happen more than a few times in San Francisco.  Bicycle messengers are the absolute worse of the bunch.


Here they like to get in packs of 30, full kit but slow, and obstruct people that HAVE SHIAT TO DO

We used to have a pack of a dozen or so cyclists who liked to ride in one of the regular lanes, ignoring the wider than average bicycle lane, every Thursday during the morning rush hour.  It was clear they were doing it just to be dicks.

In my experience, that's 90% of cyclists. They don't give a shiat about the earth, etc. They're motivated by how much of an asshole they can be in an environment that wasn't designed for them at all.


My city has put in a great deal of effort to create an environment that is bicycle friendly.  We have numerous bike trails, bike lanes where possible, wider than average bike lanes on two of the busier streets, etc.  And yet there's seems to be a subset of bicycles who will never be happy with the improvements.
 
2021-09-18 7:29:20 PM  
Hey, if cyclists want to be splattered more across the pavement than they already are, who am I to stand in their way?

All I know is that in a fight between a 150lb cyclist, a 30lb bike, and a 5000lb SUV, I'm going with the SUV as the reigning champ,
 
2021-09-18 7:30:52 PM  
Bicyclists already treat stop signs and yield signs, nothing changes.  And, so to motorcycles and so do cars
 
2021-09-18 7:31:30 PM  

OgreMagi: The problem with treating stop signs as yield signs is bicyclists never give the right of way as they are supposed to.  They will ride right in front of a car that is already moving, then yell obscenities at the driver.  I've had this happen more than a few times in San Francisco.  Bicycle messengers are the absolute worse of the bunch.


The old law they meant that they would just blow through stop signs.
The new law means they still just blow through stop signs, but now their idiocy is your fault, AND they can sue you.
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/At a certain point, it becomes enlightened self-interest just to finish them off and leave no witness
 
2021-09-18 7:33:24 PM  
We really need an alternative between yield and stop. I prefer take turns, which is you can roll through slowly if no one is there but you have to stop if there is.

/ Works beautifully in Mexico
 
2021-09-18 7:33:55 PM  

Dryad: OgreMagi: The problem with treating stop signs as yield signs is bicyclists never give the right of way as they are supposed to.  They will ride right in front of a car that is already moving, then yell obscenities at the driver.  I've had this happen more than a few times in San Francisco.  Bicycle messengers are the absolute worse of the bunch.

The old law they meant that they would just blow through stop signs.
The new law means they still just blow through stop signs, but now their idiocy is your fault, AND they can sue you.
-
/At a certain point, it becomes enlightened self-interest just to finish them off and leave no witness


The Chinese learned that when they passed a law to make the long term care of pedestrian accidents the liability of the driver. Much quicker, cheaper, and less penalties to just slam the biatch in reverse and leave a couple more treadmarks over their face.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2​0​15/09/why-drivers-in-china-intentional​ly-kill-the-pedestrians-they-hit-china​s-laws-have-encouraged-the-hit-to-kill​-phenomenon.html
 
2021-09-18 7:34:58 PM  

Sir Paul: We really need an alternative between yield and stop. I prefer take turns, which is you can roll through slowly if no one is there but you have to stop if there is.

/ Works beautifully in Mexico


That's a yield sign.  Unfortunately, "yield" is not in a bicyclist's vocabulary.  That's why this new law is going to be a complete disaster.
 
2021-09-18 7:43:12 PM  

TomDooley: I'm a driver and I already hate plenty of other drivers.  They are the worst. Cyclists?  Well, I have to just laugh sometimes.

But like Jaywalking, ticketing bikers for running a stop sign is just something a-hole cops do.   The less BS laws they have to work with the better.


??????
I've been told since I was a child bi bicyclist are to ride like cars. And obey all traffic laws. That why I used to run them off the road when they broke the law.
Also while we're talking about it bicycle is and scooters do not belong on the sidewalk and should be shoved into the street at every possibility
 
2021-09-18 7:44:21 PM  

DON.MAC: The speed limit setting rule is going to be interesting.  In many high traffic cities, dropping the speed limit seems to increase the pedestrian accidents exponentially. When pedestrians think all the cars will be moving slow and stop for them, they get it wrong enough times to end up hurt or dead.  Being able to cross between parked cars and the assumption that the cars will see them and stop will result in lots of squished pedestrians.

The yield vs full stop makes sense in that a car will accelerate much faster than a bike and a full stop wastes a bunch of riders energy for no good reason.  I expect someone will need to come up with a better way to deal with yield procedures like the car must yield to any cyclist on the intersection side of the line and the cyclist must yield to any car past stopped if they haven't crossed the line to the intersection.  Most laws regarding the painted stop lines are ambiguous. "In front of" is commonly used but as a driver that sort of implies approaching the line but what does it mean for other cars as peoples minds see that as being past the line.  Even "you must come to a complete stop in front of the stop sign" is interpreted as needing to stop just past the the sign for many people and others think they should stop before the sign.  That gets strange when the road layout and near by obstacles mean you have to stop after the sign to see clearly.


All we need to do is stop letting drivers feel entitled to kill people
 
2021-09-18 7:45:39 PM  
Does not surprise me that a bill to let buses to enforce parking regulations at bus stops came out of Santa Monica.  Very little parking available, an unusually entitled populace, and a culture where it's (normally) acceptable to stop right in the middle of the street with your flashers on if you're on an errand.  People will park on a curb used for a bus stop, put on their flashers, and go shopping for half an hour, and it may be the most common thing you'll hear someone sound their horn for in LA.

Problem is, the transit system is a sacred cow for Santa Monica politicians looking to score brownie points advocating for uncomplicated liberal issues, so they do not like if you park in a bus loading zone and interfere with their nice system.


As for the rest of the laws, they're okay.  For now.  I can't say I like the jaywalking one, not because I oppose jaywalking when it can be done safely, so much as it will shift liability toward the driver when some shjthead pedestrian decides to suddenly jump out into the street unsafely, right in front of passing automobile.  It'd be okay if pedestrians who cross outside of a crosswalk were required assess that they can cross safely without significantly hindering oncoming traffic, but I'd doubt that's in the law.
 
2021-09-18 7:50:13 PM  

OgreMagi: Sir Paul: We really need an alternative between yield and stop. I prefer take turns, which is you can roll through slowly if no one is there but you have to stop if there is.

/ Works beautifully in Mexico

That's a yield sign.  Unfortunately, "yield" is not in a bicyclist's vocabulary.  That's why this new law is going to be a complete disaster.


You can't have a four-way yield sign.
 
2021-09-18 7:54:14 PM  

Sir Paul: OgreMagi: Sir Paul: We really need an alternative between yield and stop. I prefer take turns, which is you can roll through slowly if no one is there but you have to stop if there is.

/ Works beautifully in Mexico

That's a yield sign.  Unfortunately, "yield" is not in a bicyclist's vocabulary.  That's why this new law is going to be a complete disaster.

You can't have a four-way yield sign.


You can, it's just called a traffic circle.
 
2021-09-18 7:54:42 PM  

aerojockey: Does not surprise me that a bill to let buses to enforce parking regulations at bus stops came out of Santa Monica.  Very little parking available, an unusually entitled populace, and a culture where it's (normally) acceptable to stop right in the middle of the street with your flashers on if you're on an errand.  People will park on a curb used for a bus stop, put on their flashers, and go shopping for half an hour, and it may be the most common thing you'll hear someone sound their horn for in LA.

Problem is, the transit system is a sacred cow for Santa Monica politicians looking to score brownie points advocating for uncomplicated liberal issues, so they do not like if you park in a bus loading zone and interfere with their nice system.


As for the rest of the laws, they're okay.  For now.  I can't say I like the jaywalking one, not because I oppose jaywalking when it can be done safely, so much as it will shift liability toward the driver when some shjthead pedestrian decides to suddenly jump out into the street unsafely, right in front of passing automobile.  It'd be okay if pedestrians who cross outside of a crosswalk were required assess that they can cross safely without significantly hindering oncoming traffic, but I'd doubt that's in the law.


There will be a bloodbath in Santa Ana. That is the jaywalkingist town I've ever farking seen. Six lanes of 50+ mph traffic? A stroller and two toddlers in tow? 50 feet from a farking light? Multiple times every single day.
 
2021-09-18 7:56:28 PM  

Sir Paul: OgreMagi: Sir Paul: We really need an alternative between yield and stop. I prefer take turns, which is you can roll through slowly if no one is there but you have to stop if there is.

/ Works beautifully in Mexico

That's a yield sign.  Unfortunately, "yield" is not in a bicyclist's vocabulary.  That's why this new law is going to be a complete disaster.

You can't have a four-way yield sign.


They do exist but typically with no signage whatsoever.
 
2021-09-18 8:00:55 PM  

OgreMagi: drewogatory: OgreMagi: The problem with treating stop signs as yield signs is bicyclists never give the right of way as they are supposed to.  They will ride right in front of a car that is already moving, then yell obscenities at the driver.  I've had this happen more than a few times in San Francisco.  Bicycle messengers are the absolute worse of the bunch.

I have no compunction about hitting a messenger riding aggressively. Most places though, this law is fine. I lived in Davis for a minute and it will work aces there.

I have no issues with this in more rural areas.  But places like San Francisco are far too dense with traffic for this to be a good idea.  The messengers are already a menace to everyone, pedestrians included, so allowing them to blow through stop signs is only going to compound the problem.


It's almost like automobiles aren't the optimal means to traverse cities.
 
2021-09-18 8:03:19 PM  

OgreMagi: The problem with treating stop signs as yield signs is bicyclists never give the right of way as they are supposed to.  They will ride right in front of a car that is already moving, then yell obscenities at the driver.  I've had this happen more than a few times in San Francisco.  Bicycle messengers are the absolute worse of the bunch.


Time and effort are money for bike messengers.  Considering the atrocious driving I see from the no-name-plate Amazon delivery drivers in the anonymous white Transit vans I'm not in the least surprised.

But on the plus side, the rise of electronic signatures probably destroyed most of the bike-courier business model.
 
2021-09-18 8:09:13 PM  

Azlefty: Car Drivers already do- "CA Stop"- it so why not Cyclists?


Of all the states I lived in, California drivers are by far the least likely to do a "California stop".  At least here in LA that's true.  I could imagine it being more accurate you go further north and/or east.


The worst state was Georgia.  They have this weird dichotomy in their thinking.  When two people come to an intersection at about same time, it becomes a contest to see who can out-hospitality the other person by being the one to yield.  This happens every time and takes about five seconds to resolve.  However, the very same people will blow through a stop sign if there's no other cars there.
 
2021-09-18 8:27:13 PM  

aerojockey: Azlefty: Car Drivers already do- "CA Stop"- it so why not Cyclists?

Of all the states I lived in, California drivers are by far the least likely to do a "California stop".  At least here in LA that's true.  I could imagine it being more accurate you go further north and/or east.


The worst state was Georgia.  They have this weird dichotomy in their thinking.  When two people come to an intersection at about same time, it becomes a contest to see who can out-hospitality the other person by being the one to yield.  This happens every time and takes about five seconds to resolve.  However, the very same people will blow through a stop sign if there's no other cars there.


Atlanta is the only city I've seen where someone can spit in an intersection and locks up traffic in the entire city.
 
2021-09-18 8:32:33 PM  

DON.MAC: In many high traffic cities, dropping the speed limit seems to increase the pedestrian accidents exponentially.


I tried to verify this, and found pretty much everything saying the opposite.

Fewer accidents, with less severe outcomes.
 
2021-09-18 8:57:41 PM  
Car drivers who have the bike hate kink don't need a reason.  This isn't going to change anything.
 
2021-09-18 9:15:19 PM  
Nice that the "Idaho Stop" is going to be legal in California. It actually is safer to treat a stop sign as a yield if there is no other traffic at the intersection. Unclipping, stopping, and putting your foot down, then pushing off, clipping in, and continuing is energy inefficient, cumbersome, and leaves the cyclist vulnerable in the intersection for longer. Personally, I already do this. Approaching a stop sign, I will stop pedaling, stand up, scan behind me and all approaches for traffic, and slow down/stop as needed.

That being said, I have ridden with other cyclists who will just yeet themselves through an intersection regardless of traffic. Sketchy with a stop sign controlled intersection, suicidal with a red light controlled one. shiat like that is why drivers hate cyclists.
 
2021-09-18 9:16:43 PM  

ecor1: I drive uber/lyft in Sacramento and it seems sometimes that cyclists have a death wish. Nevermind the tourists who don't normally ride bikes and get the smartbikes on the weekends and don't understand basic bike safety.

I think my favorite was 3 riders riding 3 abreast in downtown Sac, only one was in the bike lane (the old style bike lane with the parked cars, bike lane, then regular traffic configuration). Refused to get over or move.

I'm ok with all of the proposed laws except maybe the parking bus stops one. The bus stop ticket in SF is huge ($350), and many times uber riders will go to the bus stop to be picked up because they think its safer or a better place to get picked up, and get mad when I won't stop there. In both Sac and SF taxis and cops have decided that white zones are their personal parking spaces and so frequently loading zones aren't available.


Don't give me that white zone shiat, I know you want me to get an abortion!

/yes I know I butchered the quote
 
2021-09-18 9:16:49 PM  
Jay Leno will be pleased that it's finally been decriminalized.

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2021-09-18 9:19:04 PM  
I ride a motorcycle and I drive a car. I'm naturally supposed to hate cagers. As a driver, I'm supposed to be annoyed by bikers.

The worst is farking cyclists.

I pay to operate my motorcycle on the road, have to take a balance and perception test, pay for registration and insurance. If I break the law, I'm able to be described and ticketed.

Want to stop a majority of drug trafficking in your city? Register cyclists with license plates, make them take license tests for laws and perception, and make them pay for insurance. Sure, the likely hood of a cyclist dying from taking an unsafe left turn is high, BUT THAT'S THE FARKING POINT. IT IS UNSAFE TO OPERATE A PEDAL POWERED VEHICLE IN TRAFFIC. You should be better than drivers and motorcycle riders. Otherwise, you don't deserve the lane.
 
2021-09-18 9:22:36 PM  
Meh, more organ donors.
 
2021-09-18 9:37:20 PM  
If they clip a pedestrian in the crosswalk, is it legal for all of the other pedestrians to beat the farker to death?
 
2021-09-18 10:06:26 PM  

likwidflame: I ride a motorcycle and I drive a car. I'm naturally supposed to hate cagers. As a driver, I'm supposed to be annoyed by bikers.

The worst is farking cyclists.

I pay to operate my motorcycle on the road, have to take a balance and perception test, pay for registration and insurance. If I break the law, I'm able to be described and ticketed.

Want to stop a majority of drug trafficking in your city? Register cyclists with license plates, make them take license tests for laws and perception, and make them pay for insurance. Sure, the likely hood of a cyclist dying from taking an unsafe left turn is high, BUT THAT'S THE FARKING POINT. IT IS UNSAFE TO OPERATE A PEDAL POWERED VEHICLE IN TRAFFIC. You should be better than drivers and motorcycle riders. Otherwise, you don't deserve the lane.


While I have a motorcycle endorsement I don't actually ride or own a motorcycle. It was from like 10 years ago when I rode a scooter around.

Once while out on a bike ride a motorcyclist tried to give me a lecture at a stop light because he didn't care for the fact that I was stopped in the middle of the lane at a red light ... you know ... because maybe I don't want to be taken out by a cager trying to make a right turn while texting. Farking imbecile.

And yes, as soon as the light turns green and I'm through the intersection I move to the right.
 
2021-09-18 10:07:50 PM  
And as a motorist I have a dash cam. Cheapest insurance you can buy. Not sure why more people don't use them.
 
2021-09-18 10:10:53 PM  

RoughTrickNamedJim: Nice that the "Idaho Stop" is going to be legal in California. It actually is safer to treat a stop sign as a yield if there is no other traffic at the intersection. Unclipping, stopping, and putting your foot down, then pushing off, clipping in, and continuing is energy inefficient, cumbersome, and leaves the cyclist vulnerable in the intersection for longer. Personally, I already do this. Approaching a stop sign, I will stop pedaling, stand up, scan behind me and all approaches for traffic, and slow down/stop as needed.

That being said, I have ridden with other cyclists who will just yeet themselves through an intersection regardless of traffic. Sketchy with a stop sign controlled intersection, suicidal with a red light controlled one. shiat like that is why drivers hate cyclists.


Maybe you shouldn't clip in to your bike?

Not like I have a 5-point racing harness and a full welded steel cage in my car.

Fixies, clipped pedals, and no brakes are like the unholy trinity of stravassholes. If you're going to be a reeree, the least you can do is outfit your bike for reality on the streets and not the biking trail gear you wanna be.
 
2021-09-18 10:13:41 PM  

powhound: likwidflame: I ride a motorcycle and I drive a car. I'm naturally supposed to hate cagers. As a driver, I'm supposed to be annoyed by bikers.

The worst is farking cyclists.

I pay to operate my motorcycle on the road, have to take a balance and perception test, pay for registration and insurance. If I break the law, I'm able to be described and ticketed.

Want to stop a majority of drug trafficking in your city? Register cyclists with license plates, make them take license tests for laws and perception, and make them pay for insurance. Sure, the likely hood of a cyclist dying from taking an unsafe left turn is high, BUT THAT'S THE FARKING POINT. IT IS UNSAFE TO OPERATE A PEDAL POWERED VEHICLE IN TRAFFIC. You should be better than drivers and motorcycle riders. Otherwise, you don't deserve the lane.

While I have a motorcycle endorsement I don't actually ride or own a motorcycle. It was from like 10 years ago when I rode a scooter around.

Once while out on a bike ride a motorcyclist tried to give me a lecture at a stop light because he didn't care for the fact that I was stopped in the middle of the lane at a red light ... you know ... because maybe I don't want to be taken out by a cager trying to make a right turn while texting. Farking imbecile.

And yes, as soon as the light turns green and I'm through the intersection I move to the right.


I've noticed that the lanes in my city are wide enough to accommodate my Civic lane splitting through traffic.

I think I'm going to take a page out of the motorcycle handbook and illegally land split in the 99% of jurisdictions that ban it under the guise of safety.

Y'all, I really don't wanna get smooshed bu TruckBro in his lifted F350, so imma lane split my subcompact.

- this is literally what you assholes sound like.
 
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