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(Sky.com)   World governments are suing fossil fuel companies for damages to the climate from their policies. Wait...strike that. Reverse it   (news.sky.com) divider line
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2021-09-17 12:06:43 AM  
Beat them and their lawyers to death with gavels for great justice.
 
2021-09-17 12:07:48 AM  
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2021-09-17 12:10:38 AM  
Good luck collecting, I can't see any sovereign government paying out to energy companies over policy decisions they've made.
 
2021-09-17 12:15:29 AM  
F#*k'em!
 
2021-09-17 12:16:03 AM  
Can we countersue for threatening humanity's existence?
 
2021-09-17 12:18:38 AM  
No. fark that.
 
2021-09-17 12:19:21 AM  
Oh well. Hey, maybe after we're gone the squids will evolve and figure it out.
 
2021-09-17 12:20:15 AM  
This sounds like the perfect excuse to nationalize and socialize these energy companies, for the good of all humanity.
 
2021-09-17 12:24:25 AM  
Let the CEO and board of directors live for 25 years on an atoll with maximum elevation of five feet and then they can have the money.
 
2021-09-17 12:26:24 AM  

evilbryan: This sounds like the perfect excuse to nationalize and socialize these energy companies, for the good of all humanity.


Really clean things up... like they have in China.
 
2021-09-17 12:27:33 AM  

Raoul Eaton: Let the CEO and board of directors live for 25 years on an atoll with maximum elevation of five feet and then they can have the money.


I suggest Bikini Atoll.
 
2021-09-17 12:27:41 AM  
Corporations rule the world, governments are just to keep the rabble in line
 
2021-09-17 12:30:40 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: Really clean things up... like they have in China.


China would have to put real effort into making it worse than the energy companies have already done.
 
2021-09-17 12:31:57 AM  

robodog: Good luck collecting, I can't see any sovereign government paying out to energy companies over policy decisions they've made.


Eh, they have been dictating the terms of pretty much all the international trade agreements for the last 100 years, so I wouldn't be surprised if sovereign immunity, if invoked, wouldn't have all kinds of terrible results. These are the companies that own your politicians after all.
 
2021-09-17 12:32:02 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: evilbryan: This sounds like the perfect excuse to nationalize and socialize these energy companies, for the good of all humanity.

Really clean things up... like they have in China.


Besides, I'm sure China already has a nationalized energy system.
 
2021-09-17 12:35:12 AM  
can we just get the Giant Meteor already?
 
2021-09-17 12:35:33 AM  

evilbryan: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: Really clean things up... like they have in China.

China would have to put real effort into making it worse than the energy companies have already done.


That's a giant load of sophomoric bullshiat.
 
2021-09-17 12:42:27 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: evilbryan: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: Really clean things up... like they have in China.

China would have to put real effort into making it worse than the energy companies have already done.

That's a giant load of sophomoric bullshiat.


Calm down dont stir up the liberal trolls please
 
2021-09-17 12:47:47 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: evilbryan: This sounds like the perfect excuse to nationalize and socialize these energy companies, for the good of all humanity.

Really clean things up... like they have in China.


They didn't try to clean them up. But if you tried maybe you could.
 
2021-09-17 12:50:37 AM  

evilbryan: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: evilbryan: This sounds like the perfect excuse to nationalize and socialize these energy companies, for the good of all humanity.

Really clean things up... like they have in China.

Besides, I'm sure China already has a nationalized energy system.


And it'll be burning coal for as far out as the eye can see.
 
2021-09-17 12:54:53 AM  
these are smallfry suing for a relatively small amount.
 
2021-09-17 12:57:25 AM  

JohnBigBootay: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: evilbryan: This sounds like the perfect excuse to nationalize and socialize these energy companies, for the good of all humanity.

Really clean things up... like they have in China.

They didn't try to clean them up. But if you tried maybe you could.


I've pledged to give up air travel for the remainder of my life in order to reduce my carbon footprint.

It's a bummer that I'll never get to see Europe, but it's a small price to pay for a better environment.
 
2021-09-17 1:03:35 AM  

Idiot Stick Bearer: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: evilbryan: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: Really clean things up... like they have in China.

China would have to put real effort into making it worse than the energy companies have already done.

That's a giant load of sophomoric bullshiat.

Calm down dont stir up the liberal trolls please


Username checks out.
 
2021-09-17 1:08:36 AM  

wantingout: can we just get the Giant Meteor already?


I'm sorry, but we have to settle for the consolation prize, pandemic.
 
2021-09-17 1:11:26 AM  
Reading the Wiki article on the Treaty, it doesn't sound like it gives companies all that much power.  At least, that's how the Wiki authors have interpreted it.  Sounds like this might be those companies just hoping for some settlement.

Also, I found it odd that a Canadian company is suing the US government under this treaty over the cancellation of Keystone XL - given that the US famously never signs treaties that put it under the legal authority of an outside body (at least, where it can't control that authority directly, like with UN Security Council).  Turns out, the US isn't a signatory to the full treaty.  So, uh, good luck with that lawsuit there, eh?
 
2021-09-17 1:20:50 AM  

Paul Hackett: Oh well. Hey, maybe after we're gone the squids will evolve and figure it out.


I think they run on their own oil
 
2021-09-17 1:29:11 AM  

Paul Hackett: Oh well. Hey, maybe after we're gone the squids will evolve and figure it out.


Squid are dumb as hell. Octopuses (that is correct, look it up) are incredibly intelligent and limited only by their very short lifespan.

A couple of beneficial evolutionary mutations and they will be riding dolphins around the sea like warhorses.
 
2021-09-17 1:29:22 AM  
cheeseaholic: wantingout: can we just get the Giant Meteor already?

I'm sorry, but we have to settle for the consolation prize, pandemic.

but its not even a good pandemic!
 
2021-09-17 1:54:36 AM  

robodog: Good luck collecting, I can't see any sovereign government paying out to energy companies over policy decisions they've made.


Well, it may not be as single as saying 'fark off'.

Compensation for 'damaging legislation' has been written into some free trade agreements. Stupid, if you ask me, but there it is.

Breaking a FTA is a financial risk for a country. They may find it easier to pay.
 
2021-09-17 2:08:03 AM  
I guess I'll be that guy about TC Energy. The keystone pipeline was long in the making and had approvals. Millions of not billions was spent on construction to date and to wipe it out with the strike of a pen should have a kill fee
 
2021-09-17 2:15:43 AM  
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Because profits are so much more important than living things.
 
2021-09-17 2:16:13 AM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: I guess I'll be that guy about TC Energy. The keystone pipeline was long in the making and had approvals. Millions of not billions was spent on construction to date and to wipe it out with the strike of a pen should have a kill fee


Nah.
 
2021-09-17 2:19:18 AM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: I guess I'll be that guy about TC Energy. The keystone pipeline was long in the making and had approvals. Millions of not billions was spent on construction to date and to wipe it out with the strike of a pen should have a kill fee


How much of that was spent after it was clear that climate policies were moving against the fossil fuel industry? How much was spent after it was obvious how even Republican states were going to fight it because the company had a piss poor track record regarding preventative maintenance and spills?

It was a calculated risk and they shouldn't be indemnified against it because the opposition to it was obvious.
 
2021-09-17 2:21:11 AM  
Those poor unfortunate oil barons.
 
2021-09-17 2:33:14 AM  
There is a limit to activism. There is a limit to technological advancement and application. Forcing people to change is a dirty business when you get down to it.

I am becoming resigned to a vision of the future where... we will have to use existing structures (what we as humans have produced so far) and existing modes of incentive (such as profit and selfishness and some altruism) to produce so much that there will be plenty for all. Only then can we cut away the part that we don't want without leaving a huge number of people aggrieved and feeling sacrificed.

Solving greenhouse gas emissions is going to be a "work-out" scenario. Steadily increasing scarcity and steadily increasing prices will push technology faster and faster while more and more people increase their demands. We will wind up with everyone consuming about twice the amount of energy, globally, that is being used today, but with much much less carbon produced.

And the heroes are not going to be who we think they are. They will be billionaires, energy companies, utilities, and resurgent nuclear and hydrogen.

It is going to be weird.

Anyway, people who are active against fossil fuels never stop to think that they are dooming 2/3 of the world's humans to darkness and slavery. Not only are rich white people unwilling to cut their own consumption, they are perfectly willing to cut someone else's. The only way to avoid that hypocrisy is to provide more for all. Starting today.

That is the challenge that must be addressed when everyone has stopped playing around.
 
2021-09-17 2:48:52 AM  
At this time I would like to remind everyone that the bodies of fossil fuel company executives tend to contain lots of fat which can be easily distilled into usable heating oil.

Also there is sale on torches and pitchforks in isle 12.
 
2021-09-17 2:56:07 AM  

Magnanimous_J: Paul Hackett: Oh well. Hey, maybe after we're gone the squids will evolve and figure it out.

Squid are dumb as hell. Octopuses (that is correct, look it up) are incredibly intelligent and limited only by their very short lifespan.

A couple of beneficial evolutionary mutations and they will be riding dolphins around the sea like warhorses.


Ain't nobody got time to wait for that!

Put a cell phone on a beluga, and a scuba outfitted chimpanzee, that's right, a chimpanzee.

Put that chimpanzee in a scuba suit and train him how to train a dolphin. Train the damn chimpanzee to ride the dolphin he's training. Don't charge money for it. Sell weed.

You ever seen a chimp riding a dolphin, on weed?
 
2021-09-17 2:57:07 AM  

Idiot Stick Bearer: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: evilbryan: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: Really clean things up... like they have in China.

China would have to put real effort into making it worse than the energy companies have already done.

That's a giant load of sophomoric bullshiat.

Calm down dont stir up the liberal trolls please


They are always riled up.

/It's fun to watch.
 
2021-09-17 2:57:54 AM  
I'm too farkin old for that joke to still be funny. But it is. And that only makes it worse and that much more humorous.
 
2021-09-17 3:14:05 AM  

2fardownthread: Anyway, people who are active against fossil fuels never stop to think that they are dooming 2/3 of the world's humans to darkness and slavery.


No.

You know for someone on a "quiet moral crusade" to reduce carbon emissions, you sure do shill for fossil fuel companies a whoooooole bunch. If you're not getting paid, you should look into it. If you're really good at something, you should never do it for free.
 
2021-09-17 3:38:35 AM  
Good for them. This climate change brainwashing narrative has gone on too long. Does anyone listen to the founder of Greenpeace? Patrick Moore has been erased from their memory, an Orwellian decision.
The Medieval Warm Period happened between 950-1250 AD. It was followed by the Little Ice Age. Caused by human activity? Bullshiat.
 
2021-09-17 4:36:42 AM  

whither_apophis: Corporations rule the world, governments are just to keep the rabble in line



That is so true.
 
2021-09-17 7:33:03 AM  

whither_apophis: Corporations rule the world, governments are just to keep the rabble in line


These companies need to have policy discussions about the Corporate Atomics.
 
2021-09-17 7:56:33 AM  

cyberspacedout: Can we countersue for threatening humanity's existence?


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2021-09-17 8:22:09 AM  
Even in the midst of destroying the biosphere, Big Oil finds a new revenue stream. Of course they will spin it to make it look like they had no idea what was happening, it's a natural cycle, it's Antifa, it's for your own good, it's aliens I tell ya aliens.
 
2021-09-17 8:32:43 AM  

hobocat: Good for them. This climate change brainwashing narrative has gone on too long. Does anyone listen to the founder of Greenpeace? Patrick Moore has been erased from their memory, an Orwellian decision.
The Medieval Warm Period happened between 950-1250 AD. It was followed by the Little Ice Age. Caused by human activity? Bullshiat.


Profile pic checks out.
 
2021-09-17 8:33:17 AM  
Big oil has oodles of funds, so I wonder if these countries will start GoFundMe campaigns.
 
2021-09-17 8:47:26 AM  

Wobambo: Beat them and their lawyers to death with gavels for great justice.


Problem is if governments signed contracts with these companies the companies have the right to sue for breech of contract.  I'm sure some corrupt official in every country signed lengthy favorable contracts for kickbacks at some point.
Usually there is a clause where the activity is legal so simple way around it is to pass a law that in some way negates the contract.
 
2021-09-17 9:42:14 AM  

Magnanimous_J: Paul Hackett: Oh well. Hey, maybe after we're gone the squids will evolve and figure it out.

Squid are dumb as hell. Octopuses (that is correct, look it up) are incredibly intelligent and limited only by their very short lifespan.

A couple of beneficial evolutionary mutations and they will be riding dolphins around the sea like warhorses.


humbolt squids scare me shiatless.  another instance of "thankfully short lifespan + doesn't seem to pass info down generations"
 
2021-09-17 9:45:59 AM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: I guess I'll be that guy about TC Energy. The keystone pipeline was long in the making and had approvals. Millions of not billions was spent on construction to date and to wipe it out with the strike of a pen should have a kill fee


why start building with so much risk if the agreement was on such shakey ground
 
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