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Myk-House of El: What a saucy little Minx may look like.

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My dad had one of those when I was growing up - what a pos that was.

phalamir: whither_apophis: phalamir: I assume de-decimalization will occur next year.

they're decimating the metric system

Decimalization refers to when the British moved to having 1 pound equal 100 pence, instead of the old 1 pound equals 20 shillings, each made up of 12 pence.

To quote Terry Pratchett:

"NOTE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AND AMERICANS: One shilling = Five Pee. It helps to understand the antique finances of the Witchfinder Army if you know the original British monetary system:

Two farthings = One Ha'penny. Two ha'pennies = One Penny. Three pennies = A Thrupenny Bit. Two Thrupences = A Sixpence. Two Sixpences = One Shilling, or Bob. Two Bob = A Florin. One Florin and One Sixpence = Half a Crown. Four Half Crowns = Ten Bob Note. Two Ten Bob Notes = One Pound (or 240 pennies). Once Pound and One Shilling = One Guinea.

The British resisted decimalized currency for a long time because they thought it was too complicated."

I grew up in the old system, with decimalisation occurring in my early teens. What a farking relief that was.

Hawk the Hawk: Holy smokes, I had to look this up on other sites, as there was no way this wasn't some sort of strange satire sight.  This doesn't pint a pretty picture.

And I see the usual suspect is here to proclaim how this is such great freedoms.  Yowsah, how lame do you have to be to stoop to the ounces = freedom level?

How do you defend banning a unit of measurement? You're the one who seems super upset that people are now allowed to use a unit they know and are happy with. You're the one arguing that this is somehow "bad".

Why is me saying "Oh cool" equal to "mah freedumbs!" but you saying this is bad and should not be allowed any better?

I'm not dancing in the street about this, and I doubt many other Brexiteers are either. It's only Remainers who seem awfully triggered. How DARE we make our own laws and let people use units they like!?

Hawk the Hawk: whidbey: whidbey: /The BBC use "Metric feet" for their studios.

Honestly, the only reason the entire world isn't metric is because of stubborn conservative oppostion.

Is that why decimal time and calendar didn't take off?

Nice history lesson.  Too bad it's just a non-sequitur in this discussion.

It's also incorrect.  The decimal day thing isn't metric.  The SI unit for time is a second.... Got nothing to do with hours or days.

Actually, the 10 hr day thing may have occurred prior to SI becoming a thing.  I'd have to look that up, except I won't, because it doesn't matter either way.

Yes it does.  We're METRIC OPPRESSORS.

Hawk the Hawk: Is that why decimal time and calendar didn't take off?

Nice history lesson.  Too bad it's just a non-sequitur in this discussion.

It's also incorrect.  The decimal day thing isn't metric.  The SI unit for time is a second.... Got nothing to do with hours or days.

Actually, the 10 hr day thing may have occurred prior to SI becoming a thing.  I'd have to look that up, except I won't, because it doesn't matter either way.

I didn't say Metric time, I said decimal time.

The point was "change is good, only bad people oppose change" so I posted something where change was roundly rejected.

ukexpat: I grew up in the old system, with decimalisation occurring in my early teens. What a farking relief that was.

I never used the old money, and would have to look up the units if I had to. I've always been decimal.

Carter Pewterschmidt: Hawk the Hawk: Is that why decimal time and calendar didn't take off?

Nice history lesson.  Too bad it's just a non-sequitur in this discussion.

It's also incorrect.  The decimal day thing isn't metric.  The SI unit for time is a second.... Got nothing to do with hours or days.

Actually, the 10 hr day thing may have occurred prior to SI becoming a thing.  I'd have to look that up, except I won't, because it doesn't matter either way.

I didn't say Metric time, I said decimal time.

The point was "change is good, only bad people oppose change" so I posted something where change was roundly rejected.

You posted something that has jack shiat to do with this discussion because you were getting your butt handed to you.

whidbey: Hawk the Hawk: whidbey: whidbey: /The BBC use "Metric feet" for their studios.

Honestly, the only reason the entire world isn't metric is because of stubborn conservative oppostion.

Is that why decimal time and calendar didn't take off?

Nice history lesson.  Too bad it's just a non-sequitur in this discussion.

It's also incorrect.  The decimal day thing isn't metric.  The SI unit for time is a second.... Got nothing to do with hours or days.

Actually, the 10 hr day thing may have occurred prior to SI becoming a thing.  I'd have to look that up, except I won't, because it doesn't matter either way.

Yes it does.  We're METRIC OPPRESSORS.

And as the right honorable agents of said oppression, we must now brace ourselves for equivocation and obfuscation!

Next thing you know canal boats will be a thing

johndalek: Next thing you know canal boats will be a thing

Ackshually, canal boat holidays are a lot of fun.

Tillmaster: phalamir: Tillmaster: That's complete crap. A stone is 14 lbs.

One particular stone is 14lbs.  But stones for different goods used to be completely different, and could range from 8lbs to 22lbs, depending upon what was being weighed.  14 was for unspun fabric materials, like wool or flax.  But most foodstuffs were 8.  I assume different guilds used different weights as a form of professional control, ie someone not in the know would use the wrong tone to try and weigh goods, thus exposing themselves.  British measurements have always went by the premise of "How much farkwittery can we pile upon more farkwittery just because someone did the thing once three hundred years ago".  That the Jews are associated with a song called "Tradition" when the English exist has to be the most extreme act of blatant misrepresentation possible.

You, sir are a complete pillock; utterly devoid of any sense, but committed to double down whenever found to be wrong. There are several political parties that would be only too happy to welcome you to their ranks.

So which is heavier - an ounce of gold or an ounce of feathers?

Cattle were weighed using 14 pound stones but dressed beef would be measured in 8 pound stones.  An 60 stone (840 lb) cow would produce 60 stone (480 lb) of food.  There were some different stones that accounted for waste in some industries.  Railroads in the US have rail miles, bridge miles, crosstie miles.  A mile of rail fits over a mile of bridge over a mile of ties to cover a statue mile.  They all differ by a few inches but they work together.  There is a book called "Units" that goes into many of these odd details.

It doesn't really matter at the grocery store. It usually matters when you need complete precision with something, down to a decimal--when you're buying apples, 'roughly a pound' and 'roughly a kilogram' are both just units of one that tell you how much to buy. It matters when you get into shiat like load-bearing support beams or tailoring a suit, though.

I suppose we'll be paying doctors' fees in guineas soon enough. Harrumph.

/well, Harley Street doctors, anyway.

phalamir: Robo Beat: phalamir: I assume de-decimalization will occur next year.

You'll be able to buy a set of Whitworth spanners for ten bob thruppence!  What a bargain!

Yes, but how many guineas for a phaeton-whip?

Why use that when you can convert to balefeet to a hoofwidth?

Hoof width is better because it's just more tangible.  It's the width of a hoof.  You can picture it more easily than a decimeter.

phalamir: HoratioGates: North_Central_Positronics: Ambivalence: This is especially stupid when you consider that "pound" is both a unit of weight, and the name of their currency.

Are people talking about cost or weight?

Don't even get me started on how many stone they weigh. Or throw?

Stones actually kind of make sense, particularly for people with eating disorders.  It gives you a little more wiggle room.

Stone isn't even a standard measure.  Stone used to be used to measure bulk goods.  And each type of good had its own "stone".  So a stone of wine and a stone of barley didn't weigh anything even remotely thee same.  At some point, they picked one of these various stones and applied it to people.  But without an adjective to tell you the bulk good being references weighing 15 stone is like saying "I weigh 15 units".

Which is useless because some units are bigger than others.

A Cave Geek: *sigh, guess this is once again appropriate:

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What book is that from?  I literally snorted when I read the "go fark yourself" line.

Time to go back to the Whitworth standard of fasteners and spanners. British Standard Whitworth

Can Lucas electrics be far behind?

The UK having a law that you must sell meat in metric was ridiculous anyway. My wife's from an officially "metric" country, T&T, but pretty much everything to do with buying food and cooking is still done in Imperial.

My world is upside down right now.

1. UK joined European trading block (bloc?) in the 70's?
2. The US still uses the old UK measurements even though the UK doesn't (didn't, won't soon to be, maybe)
3. People were clamoring for imperial measurements?

Actually, that last one makes sense for conservatives. Everything needs to be comfortable. It's so weird they're always blabbing about toughing things out and such yet they're the first to cry oppression when they have to learn a new way to do things.

I'm an excellent driver: If you are an American, who thinks this backward step by a bunch of inbred racist jerkoffs is amusing in any way, you should do 2 things immediately:

1. Look up the definition of the word introspection.

2. Contact the Libyan and Myanmar Embassies to confirm these world powerhouses are still in step with the US.

If you actually believe those are the only three countries where non-metric systems are widely used in day to day life (i.e. buying meat from a butcher) you're miserably mistaken. The length of your arm is a valid form of measurement in much of the non-Western world. Even today the height and weight of a goat is more important to a greater number of people on earth than structural engineering and building rockets.

Carter Pewterschmidt: SirMadness: I would just like to state how colossally rock farking stupid it is to have a unit like stone, based on pounds, and then you express fractions of it IN FARKING DECIMALS! So that you can't even CONVERT IT TO POUNDS IN YOUR HEAD!

/Thank you.

Er, we don't? We don't say "twelve point five stone".  We use Stone and then pounds. So instead of saying you weigh 175 pounds we say twelve stone seven.

Things that give decimalized stone:

My Mancunian ex-husband. (True, he may be an idiot.)
My bathroom scale.
Bing.
Wolfram Alpha.
The damn scale at Boots.

So, forgive me for assuming, but...uh, yeah.

ISO15693: A fortnight is fourteen-nights.
A thirtnight is thirteen-nights.
A doznight is a dozen nights. (To help distinguish it from Twelfthnight  which is a Shakespearean Play)
Elevnight is eleven nights.
No special words for 2 though 10 except  A week is seven nights - but not called a weeknight because that just means you have to get up early the next morning for work/school, or referring to a very tiny knight.

A week is a sennight. It has a name.

BigNumber12: Bertuccio: Boring fact: The US has never used Imperial units.  It used US Customary units which have the same names but different values.

I'm sure most Farkers know an Imperial pint is different from a US pint. But Imperial inches are different from US Inches too, and all the rest.

Other boring fact. The US still uses US Customary units, but they've been redefined and are now a reskin of the SI.

You must be a blast at parties

I was up-front about the interest level.

And who would want to go to a party where international drama about measurement systems wasn't a sure topic?

Meh. Even Europeans don't metric correctly.
Ask them how far it is between San Francisco and London and they'll all say something like "eight thousand six hundred kilometers"

But saying a "thousand kilometers" is not how the metric prefix system is supposed to work.

The correct answer is eight point six megameters. A thousand kilometers is a megameter. A thousand megameters is a gigameter.

But do they use those terms? No.

Algebrat: waxbeans: mofa: enry: Get back to me in a fortnight.

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Today I learned the meaning of fort night.
Anyone know what four score means?

A score is 20. Four score and seven is 87. 1863 - 87 = 1776.

ISO15693: The correct answer is eight point six megameters.

ISO15693: Meh. Even Europeans don't metric correctly.
Ask them how far it is between San Francisco and London and they'll all say something like "eight thousand six hundred kilometers"

But saying a "thousand kilometers" is not how the metric prefix system is supposed to work.

The correct answer is eight point six megameters. A thousand kilometers is a megameter. A thousand megameters is a gigameter.

But do they use those terms? No.

But fark ONE pig...

// (old Ole/sven joke...sorry)
/// I'll be in the corner

Only thought we were that stupid?

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Decimal is extremely illogical for many computer logic applications. Given a Boolean logic expression in hexadecimal and I can bang out the result by hand pretty easy because it can be converted to and from binary in seconds. Decimal would probably take me longer to convert one way than the whole problem in hex.

Ten is not more "logical" than 16 or 12 that have more factors, unless you still haven't advanced in thinking about math beyond your own fingers and toes.

IHadMeAVision: Ambitwistor: [i.pinimg.com image 850x850]

Decimal is extremely illogical for many computer logic applications. Given a Boolean logic expression in hexadecimal and I can bang out the result by hand pretty easy because it can be converted to and from binary in seconds. Decimal would probably take me longer to convert one way than the whole problem in hex.

Ten is not more "logical" than 16 or 12 that have more factors, unless you still haven't advanced in thinking about math beyond your own fingers and toes.

It's not about 10 vs. 12, it's about 10 vs. random mishmash. And convenience in binary representation isn't really relevant for most people.

IHadMeAVision: Ambitwistor: [i.pinimg.com image 850x850]

Decimal is extremely illogical for many computer logic applications. Given a Boolean logic expression in hexadecimal and I can bang out the result by hand pretty easy because it can be converted to and from binary in seconds. Decimal would probably take me longer to convert one way than the whole problem in hex.

Ten is not more "logical" than 16 or 12 that have more factors, unless you still haven't advanced in thinking about math beyond your own fingers and toes.

Cool flex, bruh

Hawk the Hawk: Cool flex, bruh

I'm extolling the virtues of non-decimal systems in terms of actual logic, the type that makes computers do the voodoo they do, not bragging about being able to perform a simple task I learned as part of a 101 class in college.

IHadMeAVision: Hawk the Hawk: Cool flex, bruh

I'm extolling the virtues of non-decimal systems in terms of actual logic, the type that makes computers do the voodoo they do, not bragging about being able to perform a simple task I learned as part of a 101 class in college.

Don't hate on the what-you-learned-in-101 crowd by bragging about what you learned in the 102 course.  Else a hex upon ye!

More to the point, or pint, rather, we're here to laugh at imperial units of measure, not parse the language of our future overlords!

Ambitwistor: It's not about 10 vs. 12, it's about 10 vs. random mishmash.

This!

12 inches to a foot, 3 feet to a yard, 22 yards to a chain, 10 chains to a furlong, 8 furlongs to a mile?

It makes Wizard currency look sensible.

Just a reminder: the acre is a rectangular measure of one furlong by 1 chain.
I think they are in common use in the USA, right?

Ambitwistor: IHadMeAVision: Ambitwistor: [i.pinimg.com image 850x850]

Decimal is extremely illogical for many computer logic applications. Given a Boolean logic expression in hexadecimal and I can bang out the result by hand pretty easy because it can be converted to and from binary in seconds. Decimal would probably take me longer to convert one way than the whole problem in hex.

Ten is not more "logical" than 16 or 12 that have more factors, unless you still haven't advanced in thinking about math beyond your own fingers and toes.

It's not about 10 vs. 12, it's about 10 vs. random mishmash. And convenience in binary representation isn't really relevant for most people.

Akshually, 12, 60, and 144 all have ancient finger counting methods. Probably 16 also, but I don't remember it off-hand.

Basically all the bases that used be be common were finger counting methods.  We just ended up sticking to the least useful one :*(

People gripe how silly Imperial seems, but that's because they're representing it in base 10. People weren't marking or thinking about these units that way when they were using the systems, though. They were usually using a highly composite number, and there was a unit for each factor.  This is how times and compass degrees work, and people don't mind those systems.

Tillmaster: Just a reminder: the acre is a rectangular measure of one furlong by 1 chain.
I think they are in common use in the USA, right?

Poems, everyone. Poems. The lad thinks himself a poet!...

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