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2021-09-16 5:11:36 PM  

Ambivalence: This is especially stupid when you consider that "pound" is both a unit of weight, and the name of their currency.

Are people talking about cost or weight?


Yeah, they should stick to ounces. Unambiguous.
 
2021-09-16 5:11:43 PM  

HoratioGates: North_Central_Positronics: Ambivalence: This is especially stupid when you consider that "pound" is both a unit of weight, and the name of their currency.

Are people talking about cost or weight?

Don't even get me started on how many stone they weigh. Or throw?

Stones actually kind of make sense, particularly for people with eating disorders.  It gives you a little more wiggle room.


Stone isn't even a standard measure.  Stone used to be used to measure bulk goods.  And each type of good had its own "stone".  So a stone of wine and a stone of barley didn't weigh anything even remotely thee same.  At some point, they picked one of these various stones and applied it to people.  But without an adjective to tell you the bulk good being references weighing 15 stone is like saying "I weigh 15 units".
 
2021-09-16 5:12:32 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: TheJoe03: I don't see why we're mad at them for allowing them to use their traditional weight system, common people there still use it. I didn't see anything about them banning the metric system or anything.

Yeah, I know we're supposed to get in some kind of religious flame war over this but I can't.

Especially because I'm in the US.

For more on this, the video spells out a lot of reasons why people don't change.

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I love me some Simon narration!
 
2021-09-16 5:14:37 PM  

whither_apophis: phalamir: I assume de-decimalization will occur next year.

they're decimating the metric system


Decimalization refers to when the British moved to having 1 pound equal 100 pence, instead of the old 1 pound equals 20 shillings, each made up of 12 pence.

To quote Terry Pratchett:

"NOTE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AND AMERICANS: One shilling = Five Pee. It helps to understand the antique finances of the Witchfinder Army if you know the original British monetary system:

Two farthings = One Ha'penny. Two ha'pennies = One Penny. Three pennies = A Thrupenny Bit. Two Thrupences = A Sixpence. Two Sixpences = One Shilling, or Bob. Two Bob = A Florin. One Florin and One Sixpence = Half a Crown. Four Half Crowns = Ten Bob Note. Two Ten Bob Notes = One Pound (or 240 pennies). Once Pound and One Shilling = One Guinea.

The British resisted decimalized currency for a long time because they thought it was too complicated."
 
2021-09-16 5:16:27 PM  

FlashHarry: Well, that's embarrassing.


Yeah, but as an American I can't throw stones at your house.

/nearly 50 years later and it still embarasses me.
 
2021-09-16 5:17:33 PM  
Don't forget the groat (4p). Not in circulation but still given out as Maundy money.
 
2021-09-16 5:18:29 PM  
Britain trying to regain something it never really had.  Returning to imperial measures won't bring it back. Brexit won't bring it back.  Get on with the times. Greatness isn't forever!
 
2021-09-16 5:23:57 PM  
Wow. I'm trying to imagine the growing pains in the US of converting to metric, which is really the only justification we have for our dumb system.

Then I'm trying to imagine going through those growing pains, but so you can memorize ratios and use imperial, and man, what a depressing thought.
 
2021-09-16 5:26:02 PM  
A fortnight is fourteen-nights.
A thirtnight is thirteen-nights.
A doznight is a dozen nights. (To help distinguish it from Twelfthnight  which is a Shakespearean Play)
Elevnight is eleven nights.
No special words for 2 though 10 except  A week is seven nights - but not called a weeknight because that just means you have to get up early the next morning for work/school, or referring to a very tiny knight.
 
2021-09-16 5:29:47 PM  

mofa: enry: Get back to me in a fortnight.

[Fark user image image 425x723]


Today I learned the meaning of fort night.
Anyone know what four score means?
 
2021-09-16 5:30:27 PM  

oldernell: It would be nice if a pint were a pint in the US.


Meanwhile I wish 25 oz beers had 30 ounces
 
2021-09-16 5:31:50 PM  
Boring fact: The US has never used Imperial units.  It used US Customary units which have the same names but different values.

I'm sure most Farkers know an Imperial pint is different from a US pint. But Imperial inches are different from US Inches too, and all the rest.

Other boring fact. The US still uses US Customary units, but they've been redefined and are now a reskin of the SI.
 
2021-09-16 5:32:36 PM  
archer metric system
Youtube gIWDVuHDpq0
 
2021-09-16 5:37:34 PM  

Fear the Clam: markie_farkie: What next, bringing back diseases like scurvy, rickets, scrofula, and the gout?

I farking wish gout were a thing of the past. Ain't nothing like having to call in sick because your fingers won't bend.


Nice.  Duck always makes My joints hurt & my big toe
 
2021-09-16 5:40:05 PM  

Bertuccio: Boring fact: The US has never used Imperial units.  It used US Customary units which have the same names but different values.

I'm sure most Farkers know an Imperial pint is different from a US pint. But Imperial inches are different from US Inches too, and all the rest.

Other boring fact. The US still uses US Customary units, but they've been redefined and are now a reskin of the SI.


You must be a blast at parties
 
2021-09-16 5:41:19 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: TheJoe03: I don't see why we're mad at them for allowing them to use their traditional weight system, common people there still use it. I didn't see anything about them banning the metric system or anything.

Yeah, I know we're supposed to get in some kind of religious flame war over this but I can't.

Especially because I'm in the US.

For more on this, the video spells out a lot of reasons why people don't change.

[YouTube video: Why Doesn't the U.S. Use the Metric System?]


I so wanted to watch I should say I still wanted to learn the information in this video but he spent way too much time not getting to the point and I stopped the video fark him
 
2021-09-16 5:42:16 PM  

aungen: mofa: enry: Get back to me in a fortnight.

[Fark user image 425x723]

No you morons, it's a game.  And if it takes you 2 weeks to play it, you're doing it wrong.  Talk to someone under the age of 90 and maybe they'll know what Fortnight is.


Hey it's fortnite like laser tag but online and they trick you into buying stupid shiat that doesn't even do anything like EA sports does
 
2021-09-16 5:44:12 PM  

phalamir: HoratioGates: North_Central_Positronics: Ambivalence: This is especially stupid when you consider that "pound" is both a unit of weight, and the name of their currency.

Are people talking about cost or weight?

Don't even get me started on how many stone they weigh. Or throw?

Stones actually kind of make sense, particularly for people with eating disorders.  It gives you a little more wiggle room.

Stone isn't even a standard measure.  Stone used to be used to measure bulk goods.  And each type of good had its own "stone".  So a stone of wine and a stone of barley didn't weigh anything even remotely thee same.  At some point, they picked one of these various stones and applied it to people.  But without an adjective to tell you the bulk good being references weighing 15 stone is like saying "I weigh 15 units".


WTF  That was hilarious and enraging
 
2021-09-16 5:46:01 PM  
*sigh, guess this is once again appropriate:

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2021-09-16 5:49:46 PM  
It's been 20-25 years since the UK started using the weights in metric. Half the country has never even used pounds in their lifetime so of course why not go back now the whole country is used to it.
 
2021-09-16 5:50:28 PM  

waxbeans: mofa: enry: Get back to me in a fortnight.

[Fark user image image 425x723]

Today I learned the meaning of fort night.
Anyone know what four score means?


You have a sneaky sister

Connect Four - "Pretty Sneaky, Sis..." (Commercial, 1981)
Youtube KN3nohBw_CE
 
2021-09-16 5:51:47 PM  

phalamir: HoratioGates: North_Central_Positronics: Ambivalence: This is especially stupid when you consider that "pound" is both a unit of weight, and the name of their currency.

Are people talking about cost or weight?

Don't even get me started on how many stone they weigh. Or throw?

Stones actually kind of make sense, particularly for people with eating disorders.  It gives you a little more wiggle room.

Stone isn't even a standard measure.  Stone used to be used to measure bulk goods.  And each type of good had its own "stone".  So a stone of wine and a stone of barley didn't weigh anything even remotely thee same.  At some point, they picked one of these various stones and applied it to people.  But without an adjective to tell you the bulk good being references weighing 15 stone is like saying "I weigh 15 units".


Wait.  So it's like saying give me a container of X. And, you should know what that means at the place?
Interesting that's like that shiat with bottles and how the shape means every bottle has a different amount.

????????? Interesting and annoying
 
2021-09-16 5:53:40 PM  

phalamir: whither_apophis: phalamir: I assume de-decimalization will occur next year.

they're decimating the metric system

Decimalization refers to when the British moved to having 1 pound equal 100 pence, instead of the old 1 pound equals 20 shillings, each made up of 12 pence.

To quote Terry Pratchett:

"NOTE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AND AMERICANS: One shilling = Five Pee. It helps to understand the antique finances of the Witchfinder Army if you know the original British monetary system:

Two farthings = One Ha'penny. Two ha'pennies = One Penny. Three pennies = A Thrupenny Bit. Two Thrupences = A Sixpence. Two Sixpences = One Shilling, or Bob. Two Bob = A Florin. One Florin and One Sixpence = Half a Crown. Four Half Crowns = Ten Bob Note. Two Ten Bob Notes = One Pound (or 240 pennies). Once Pound and One Shilling = One Guinea.

The British resisted decimalized currency for a long time because they thought it was too complicated."


For some reason reading that just made me want to punch somebody
 
2021-09-16 5:56:42 PM  

Bertuccio: Boring fact: The US has never used Imperial units.  It used US Customary units which have the same names but different values.

I'm sure most Farkers know an Imperial pint is different from a US pint. But Imperial inches are different from US Inches too, and all the rest.

Other boring fact. The US still uses US Customary units, but they've been redefined and are now a reskin of the SI.


Actually that's an interesting fact because that fact is exactly what we was told back in the day why the metric system was invented because the 2 different countries used 2 different measurements for the exact same word
 
2021-09-16 5:57:11 PM  

aungen: FlashHarry: Well, that's embarrassing.

Maybe they are planning on nuking Japan or going to the moon, or something.


Selling nuclear submarines to Australia to piss off the Chinese.
 
2021-09-16 5:57:29 PM  

waxbeans: mofa: enry: Get back to me in a fortnight.

[Fark user image image 425x723]

Today I learned the meaning of fort night.
Anyone know what four score means?


80. A score is twenty.
 
2021-09-16 5:58:27 PM  

waxbeans: Fear the Clam: markie_farkie: What next, bringing back diseases like scurvy, rickets, scrofula, and the gout?

I farking wish gout were a thing of the past. Ain't nothing like having to call in sick because your fingers won't bend.

Nice.  Duck always makes My joints hurt & my big toe


I've answered a bunch of surveys from my rheumatologist over the years, both when having flareups and not, and I can't see a pattern. So long as I keep taking hydroxychloroquine and allopurinol, it seems to stay under control, no matter what I do.

/Was taking HCQ before it was cool
 
2021-09-16 6:01:32 PM  
As has been said, no one is suggesting banning metric units, and in many areas we kept imperial anyway. Pints in pubs, miles and miles per hour on roads (though petrol and diesel is sold in litres) and most people, even young people, will still say they are six foot and twelve stone six rather than 181 cm and 80kg.

This is just giving people the choice what to use.
 
2021-09-16 6:02:11 PM  
Metric is easy to learn if you can count to ten. I shall let you infer what this means about Johnson's supporters.
 
2021-09-16 6:03:35 PM  

waxbeans: mofa: enry: Get back to me in a fortnight.

[Fark user image image 425x723]

Today I learned the meaning of fort night.
Anyone know what four score means?


A score is 20. Four score and seven is 87. 1863 - 87 = 1776.
 
2021-09-16 6:05:02 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: As has been said, no one is suggesting banning metric units, and in many areas we kept imperial anyway. Pints in pubs, miles and miles per hour on roads (though petrol and diesel is sold in litres) and most people, even young people, will still say they are six foot and twelve stone six rather than 181 cm and 80kg.

This is just giving people the choice what to use.


Because having a bunch of conflicting systems instead of a standard isn't confusing as fark.
 
2021-09-16 6:10:16 PM  
As an (American) engineer, I occasionally had to correct people's assumptions that nautical miles were just a fancy way of saying "miles."

// It tied them in knots.
 
2021-09-16 6:13:54 PM  
I would just like to state how colossally rock farking stupid it is to have a unit like stone, based on pounds, and then you express fractions of it IN FARKING DECIMALS! So that you can't even CONVERT IT TO POUNDS IN YOUR HEAD!

/Thank you.
 
2021-09-16 6:19:49 PM  

whidbey: Carter Pewterschmidt: As has been said, no one is suggesting banning metric units, and in many areas we kept imperial anyway. Pints in pubs, miles and miles per hour on roads (though petrol and diesel is sold in litres) and most people, even young people, will still say they are six foot and twelve stone six rather than 181 cm and 80kg.

This is just giving people the choice what to use.

Because having a bunch of conflicting systems instead of a standard isn't confusing as fark.


If you're confused by buying butter by the kilogram and milk by the pint then maybe you shouldn't be allowed to go shopping on your own? We've used both systems in many areas for decades. If someone asks me my height I say six foot. If they say "No, in cm" I say 183. It's not rocket science.

Many imperial units are just easier to visualise. That's because they evolved over centuries, millennia, based on people actually using them.

/The BBC use "Metric feet" for their studios.
 
2021-09-16 6:20:16 PM  

waxbeans: mofa: enry: Get back to me in a fortnight.

[Fark user image image 425x723]

Today I learned the meaning of fort night.
Anyone know what four score means?


?

A score is 20.
Even if you didn't know that, you could take the dates of Abraham Lincoln's speech and the American Revolution and do the math.

Furlong, fathom, etc.  If you read anything written in the 1700s and 1800s as a kid - like Mark Twain or Jules Verne - you ran across those terms.  If you weren't curious enough to look them up, I feel sorry for you.
 
2021-09-16 6:23:12 PM  

SirMadness: I would just like to state how colossally rock farking stupid it is to have a unit like stone, based on pounds, and then you express fractions of it IN FARKING DECIMALS! So that you can't even CONVERT IT TO POUNDS IN YOUR HEAD!

/Thank you.


Er, we don't? We don't say "twelve point five stone".  We use Stone and then pounds. So instead of saying you weigh 175 pounds we say twelve stone seven.
 
2021-09-16 6:32:57 PM  
Some excellent questions about this, Here.
 
2021-09-16 6:36:46 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: whidbey: Carter Pewterschmidt: As has been said, no one is suggesting banning metric units, and in many areas we kept imperial anyway. Pints in pubs, miles and miles per hour on roads (though petrol and diesel is sold in litres) and most people, even young people, will still say they are six foot and twelve stone six rather than 181 cm and 80kg.

This is just giving people the choice what to use.

Because having a bunch of conflicting systems instead of a standard isn't confusing as fark.

If you're confused by buying butter by the kilogram and milk by the pint then maybe you shouldn't be allowed to go shopping on your own? We've used both systems in many areas for decades. If someone asks me my height I say six foot. If they say "No, in cm" I say 183. It's not rocket science.


Or you could just concede we need one system so there's no need to use a calculator or online application.

Many imperial units are just easier to visualise. That's because they evolved over centuries, millennia, based on people actually using them.

And also the reason why they are by and large inaccurate and why a modern standard based on science, not tradition, needed to be applied.  Decades ago.

/The BBC use "Metric feet" for their studios.

Honestly, the only reason the entire world isn't metric is because of stubborn conservative oppostion.
 
2021-09-16 6:37:54 PM  

A Cave Geek: *sigh, guess this is once again appropriate:

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As fun as this is, it's fairly easy to calculate the answer in American standard units ( the ironically named BTU ) and convert to calories ( or joules ) if need be.

I won't deny the value of SI units. They are vastly superior. It's just I can fully understand why people have little incentive to change when most of their lives they'll just be using relative comparisons within the same unit of measure.

/except for those thrust upon the computer science community... fark those people who want a kilobyte to be 1000 bytes and their stupid alternative kibibytes  )
//JMP ($FFFC)
 
2021-09-16 6:38:49 PM  
If you are an American, who thinks this backward step by a bunch of inbred racist jerkoffs is amusing in any way, you should do 2 things immediately:

1. Look up the definition of the word introspection.

2. Contact the Libyan and Myanmar Embassies to confirm these world powerhouses are still in step with the US.
 
2021-09-16 6:41:47 PM  

phalamir: HoratioGates: North_Central_Positronics: Ambivalence: This is especially stupid when you consider that "pound" is both a unit of weight, and the name of their currency.

Are people talking about cost or weight?

Don't even get me started on how many stone they weigh. Or throw?

Stones actually kind of make sense, particularly for people with eating disorders.  It gives you a little more wiggle room.

Stone isn't even a standard measure.  Stone used to be used to measure bulk goods.  And each type of good had its own "stone".  So a stone of wine and a stone of barley didn't weigh anything even remotely thee same.  At some point, they picked one of these various stones and applied it to people.  But without an adjective to tell you the bulk good being references weighing 15 stone is like saying "I weigh 15 units".


That's complete crap. A stone is 14 lbs. There are eight of them in a hundredweight.
I was taught it at school, along with Sterling.
Oh shiat, I suppose that'll be the next step.
Welcome to arithmetic using three number bases

/ashamed to be British
//No, wait. Annoyed to be British
///Belay that. Totally furious with the cretins who allowed Brexit to happen.
 
2021-09-16 6:46:41 PM  
It's kind of nice having both English and metric on products. Makes it easier to share recipes etc. with my expat friends.
 
2021-09-16 6:48:22 PM  

whidbey: Or you could just concede we need one system so there's no need to use a calculator or online application.


Why not let people choose which units to use?

whidbey: And also the reason why they are by and large inaccurate and why a modern standard based on science, not tradition, needed to be applied.  Decades ago.


If you're designing a jet engine then go ahead and use metric. If you're cooking dinner it's easy to just say you want a couple of pounds of potatoes.

whidbey: /The BBC use "Metric feet" for their studios.

Honestly, the only reason the entire world isn't metric is because of stubborn conservative oppostion.


Is that why decimal time and calendar didn't take off?
 
2021-09-16 6:49:02 PM  
All you Farkers are looking at this the wrong way.
This means that we might see the return of Imperial gallon-sized bottles of Scotch. Those farkers are impressive huge.

/The US doesn't use the Imperial system, it uses US Customary units.
 
2021-09-16 6:55:51 PM  

Tillmaster: That's complete crap. A stone is 14 lbs.


One particular stone is 14lbs.  But stones for different goods used to be completely different, and could range from 8lbs to 22lbs, depending upon what was being weighed.  14 was for unspun fabric materials, like wool or flax.  But most foodstuffs were 8.  I assume different guilds used different weights as a form of professional control, ie someone not in the know would use the wrong tone to try and weigh goods, thus exposing themselves.  British measurements have always went by the premise of "How much farkwittery can we pile upon more farkwittery just because someone did the thing once three hundred years ago".  That the Jews are associated with a song called "Tradition" when the English exist has to be the most extreme act of blatant misrepresentation possible.
 
2021-09-16 7:00:45 PM  

phalamir: Tillmaster: That's complete crap. A stone is 14 lbs.

One particular stone is 14lbs.  But stones for different goods used to be completely different, and could range from 8lbs to 22lbs, depending upon what was being weighed.  14 was for unspun fabric materials, like wool or flax.  But most foodstuffs were 8.  I assume different guilds used different weights as a form of professional control, ie someone not in the know would use the wrong tone to try and weigh goods, thus exposing themselves.  British measurements have always went by the premise of "How much farkwittery can we pile upon more farkwittery just because someone did the thing once three hundred years ago".  That the Jews are associated with a song called "Tradition" when the English exist has to be the most extreme act of blatant misrepresentation possible.


You, sir are a complete pillock; utterly devoid of any sense, but committed to double down whenever found to be wrong. There are several political parties that would be only too happy to welcome you to their ranks.

So which is heavier - an ounce of gold or an ounce of feathers?
 
2021-09-16 7:06:19 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: whidbey: Or you could just concede we need one system so there's no need to use a calculator or online application.

Why not let people choose which units to use?


Muh freedoms?  Seriously?

whidbey: And also the reason why they are by and large inaccurate and why a modern standard based on science, not tradition, needed to be applied.  Decades ago.

If you're designing a jet engine then go ahead and use metric. If you're cooking dinner it's easy to just say you want a couple of pounds of potatoes.


It's actually easier to have everything be metric.

whidbey: /The BBC use "Metric feet" for their studios.

Honestly, the only reason the entire world isn't metric is because of stubborn conservative oppostion.

Is that why decimal time and calendar didn't take off?


Nice history lesson.  Too bad it's just a non-sequitur in this discussion.
 
2021-09-16 7:13:01 PM  
Holy smokes, I had to look this up on other sites, as there was no way this wasn't some sort of strange satire sight.  This doesn't pint a pretty picture.

And I see the usual suspect is here to proclaim how this is such great freedoms.  Yowsah, how lame do you have to be to stoop to the ounces = freedom level?
 
2021-09-16 7:20:33 PM  
ImpendingCynic

Don't forget the groat (4p). Not in circulation but still given out as Maundy money.

Fark user imageView Full Size
Ah, the good ol' days of yore.
 
2021-09-16 7:27:39 PM  

whidbey: whidbey: /The BBC use "Metric feet" for their studios.

Honestly, the only reason the entire world isn't metric is because of stubborn conservative oppostion.

Is that why decimal time and calendar didn't take off?

Nice history lesson.  Too bad it's just a non-sequitur in this discussion.


It's also incorrect.  The decimal day thing isn't metric.  The SI unit for time is a second.... Got nothing to do with hours or days.

Actually, the 10 hr day thing may have occurred prior to SI becoming a thing.  I'd have to look that up, except I won't, because it doesn't matter either way.
 
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