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2021-09-16 1:43:01 PM  
Great show, well deserved!
 
2021-09-16 2:02:43 PM  
Fantastic! I think Agatha is my 2nd favorite bad guy behind Kingpin.  Maaaaybe slightly behind Kang.

/I don't count Loki as a bad guy
 
2021-09-16 2:02:44 PM  
She killed it and the dog too.
 
2021-09-16 2:05:33 PM  

The Silver Mullet: Great show, well deserved!


I'm not sold.  It failed to communicate its message clearly to a lot of people who were talking about it.  They expected a superhero show, they got a 're-birth of a former terrorist into a semi-sympathic supervillain' show, and it was half-assed by having Rambeau worried more about Wanda than everyone she was hurting, and half-assed again by the whole Agatha thing sort of implying she was behind it all except she was just sort of a small-time opportunist.  And then there's the whole "we're talking about depression / trauma here".

I just think thematically it wasn't clean enough for the audience.
 
2021-09-16 2:07:41 PM  
Wanda/Vision was OK but it was no Inhumans.
 
2021-09-16 2:09:06 PM  

LL316: Fantastic! I think Agatha is my 2nd favorite bad guy behind Kingpin.  Maaaaybe slightly behind Kang.

/I don't count Loki as a bad guy


Why does Agatha count as a bad guy?

Agatha may have been the antagonist, but Wanda was the villain of the show.
 
2021-09-16 2:11:19 PM  

Weird Hal: Wanda/Vision was OK but it was no Inhumans.


I think it was inhuman to inflict Inhumans on anybody.  No sympathetic characters, next to no budget.  The first thing they do is find a reason to not have frequent use of superpowers because they apparently couldn't afford much CGI.  They were all monsters, nuke their Moon base.
 
2021-09-16 2:19:54 PM  

skyotter: LL316: Fantastic! I think Agatha is my 2nd favorite bad guy behind Kingpin.  Maaaaybe slightly behind Kang.

/I don't count Loki as a bad guy

Why does Agatha count as a bad guy?

Agatha may have been the antagonist, but Wanda was the villain of the show.


Spoiler alert!

Agatha was pushing her further into batshiatiness.
 
2021-09-16 2:27:22 PM  
It was by far the best of the Disney Plus shows by far.
 
2021-09-16 2:29:31 PM  

Unsung_Hero: The Silver Mullet: Great show, well deserved!

I'm not sold.  It failed to communicate its message clearly to a lot of people who were talking about it.  They expected a superhero show, they got a 're-birth of a former terrorist into a semi-sympathic supervillain' show, and it was half-assed by having Rambeau worried more about Wanda than everyone she was hurting, and half-assed again by the whole Agatha thing sort of implying she was behind it all except she was just sort of a small-time opportunist.  And then there's the whole "we're talking about depression / trauma here".

I just think thematically it wasn't clean enough for the audience.


You do realize that Scarlet Witch started off in the actual comics as a terrorist, right? Member of Magneto's Brotherhood from X-Men #1, didn't know Magneto was her father, helped him try to create a nuclear missile launch. She got 'reformed' in the Avengers.
 
2021-09-16 2:31:02 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Unsung_Hero: The Silver Mullet: Great show, well deserved!

I'm not sold.  It failed to communicate its message clearly to a lot of people who were talking about it.  They expected a superhero show, they got a 're-birth of a former terrorist into a semi-sympathic supervillain' show, and it was half-assed by having Rambeau worried more about Wanda than everyone she was hurting, and half-assed again by the whole Agatha thing sort of implying she was behind it all except she was just sort of a small-time opportunist.  And then there's the whole "we're talking about depression / trauma here".

I just think thematically it wasn't clean enough for the audience.

You do realize that Scarlet Witch started off in the actual comics as a terrorist, right? Member of Magneto's Brotherhood from X-Men #1, didn't know Magneto was her father, helped him try to create a nuclear missile launch. She got 'reformed' in the Avengers.


You seem to have misunderstood the phrase you bolded, because it says nothing that contradicts your apparent 'correction'.
 
2021-09-16 2:33:26 PM  
WandaVision, well, I didnt care for it. Its production was neat, each episode being a different decade of TV. The plot and storyline was utter garbage.

Yes people are allowed to focus on their trauma and do what they can to heal themselves or even seek a professional to guide them through the process. However, someone's trauma doesn't give them permission to take over a whole farking town and hold them hostage in some whacked out alternate "What if" fantasy world.

The ending seemed rushed, and her punishment was a equivalent of a slap on the wrist in regards to story writing...... "why yes we will let you disappear to the middle of nowhere after traumatizing an entire zip code"

That irked me. No way around that. Hearing die hard MCU fans saying that she is misunderstood doesnt help either. AN Abuser is an Abuser, there is no justifying that crap and its indefensible.

The only way ill change my mind if they make Wanda the big bad in another MCU title. That is when ill find the TV show even remotely acceptable.


//Agatha ruled though
 
2021-09-16 2:35:33 PM  

Mystwalk: The ending seemed rushed, and her punishment was a equivalent of a slap on the wrist in regards to story writing...... "why yes we will let you disappear to the middle of nowhere after traumatizing an entire zip code"


Two things - First, that HAD to be the ending for now, because Wanda is god-tier.  Nobody was going to stop her, it was a matter of how many people would get hurt if they tried.  Second, yes, bad writing and rushed ending because that was not clearly presented in an acceptable way to the intended audience.
 
2021-09-16 2:38:07 PM  
additionally:

I can see why Disney led with this show during the pandemic, it was a risk in its story telling approach, i am glad the house the mouse built decided to try something nd at least have a few awards attached to it, which hopefully they will do a little more outside of the box thinking.

Falcon and Winter Soldier and Loki have been a fun ride for myself. I am also looking forward to Hawkeye.
 
2021-09-16 2:41:04 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Mystwalk: The ending seemed rushed, and her punishment was a equivalent of a slap on the wrist in regards to story writing...... "why yes we will let you disappear to the middle of nowhere after traumatizing an entire zip code"

Two things - First, that HAD to be the ending for now, because Wanda is god-tier.  Nobody was going to stop her, it was a matter of how many people would get hurt if they tried.  Second, yes, bad writing and rushed ending because that was not clearly presented in an acceptable way to the intended audience.


"Powerful people are above punishment, so it's futile to even ask for justice" was a great message for 2020.
 
2021-09-16 2:41:22 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Mystwalk: The ending seemed rushed, and her punishment was a equivalent of a slap on the wrist in regards to story writing...... "why yes we will let you disappear to the middle of nowhere after traumatizing an entire zip code"

Two things - First, that HAD to be the ending for now, because Wanda is god-tier.  Nobody was going to stop her, it was a matter of how many people would get hurt if they tried.  Second, yes, bad writing and rushed ending because that was not clearly presented in an acceptable way to the intended audience.


Honestly I am not sure how you could of spun it any differently without bringing in other Avengers to mop up. I thought I did hear a rumor that Dr. Strange was supposed to be involved, and maybe THAT could have saved it.

To Add, I was REALLY looking forward to WV especially after the pandemic hit. I have enjoyed 99% of most of the MCU thus far outside of WV.
 
2021-09-16 2:41:48 PM  

skyotter: Unsung_Hero: Mystwalk: The ending seemed rushed, and her punishment was a equivalent of a slap on the wrist in regards to story writing...... "why yes we will let you disappear to the middle of nowhere after traumatizing an entire zip code"

Two things - First, that HAD to be the ending for now, because Wanda is god-tier.  Nobody was going to stop her, it was a matter of how many people would get hurt if they tried.  Second, yes, bad writing and rushed ending because that was not clearly presented in an acceptable way to the intended audience.

"Powerful people are above punishment, so it's futile to even ask for justice" was a great message for 2020.


Pretty much this, thats not the message to send in the year 2020
 
2021-09-16 2:43:34 PM  

Mystwalk: Falcon and Winter Soldier and Loki have been a fun ride for myself.


FaWS got chopped up a bit due to some necessary rewrites.  It never really sold me on anybody but Falcon's characters.

Loki I liked but could have done without the inter-timeline incest... and the misdirect, because Loki was a secondary character in his own show the moment Sylvie showed up.
 
2021-09-16 2:45:46 PM  
Calculon...calculon....CALCULOOOOOOON
 
2021-09-16 2:47:11 PM  

Mystwalk: Honestly I am not sure how you could of spun it any differently without bringing in other Avengers to mop up.


Wanda recognizes her crimes, submits to justice, and works toward restitution for her former victims.

Well would you look at that, and actual character arc!
 
2021-09-16 2:49:13 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Mystwalk: Falcon and Winter Soldier and Loki have been a fun ride for myself.

FaWS got chopped up a bit due to some necessary rewrites.  It never really sold me on anybody but Falcon's characters.

Loki I liked but could have done without the inter-timeline incest... and the misdirect, because Loki was a secondary character in his own show the moment Sylvie showed up.


yea FaWS was a little choppy, i mostly chalk it up as a "the second movie in a trilogy" approach, basically just back story building for the next season and wrapping up questions from Endgame about the shield and the title of CA. I still enjoyed it though, it didnt leave a bad taste in my mouth like WV did.

As for Loki, you could argue between that show and the upcoming Spiderman movie, the Multiverse cat is out of the bag. I enjoyed the storylines (yes i found exploring the idea what happen if variants feel for each other an interesting premise, and glad to see it ultimately fail by the end of the show.) I cant help but feel that is what 99% of the outcomes will be for variants pursuing their own other variants romantically. It also teed up Marvels "What-if" quite nicely.

but hey, you are allowed your opinion and i respect that. thats the great thing about the MCU, it has something for everybody and you dont have to like all of it.
 
2021-09-16 2:50:53 PM  

skyotter: Mystwalk: Honestly I am not sure how you could of spun it any differently without bringing in other Avengers to mop up.

Wanda recognizes her crimes, submits to justice, and works toward restitution for her former victims.

Well would you look at that, and actual character arc!


well that I would accept, your right, I guess ive spent the year since then hearing people say she would never surrender to an authority figure because all authority figures in her life have been evil towards her.

I do remember making a similar suggestion a while back to some MCU friends and they basically just laughed at me and said Wanda would never do that. which, to me, made me dislike wanda more
 
2021-09-16 3:25:16 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Two things - First, that HAD to be the ending for now, because Wanda is god-tier.  Nobody was going to stop her, it was a matter of how many people would get hurt if they tried.  Second, yes, bad writing and rushed ending because that was not clearly presented in an acceptable way to the intended audience.


It actually is all unclear. She has numerous 'histories' for her powers - mutant fathered by Magneto, deal with the devil making her a witch, and in the MCU she got her powers from the Mind Stone. I guess in the MCU she should be as powerful as Captain Marvel, but nothing is consistent. She has intrinsic 'power', but she can also cast spells, summon demons, and set wards. Disney has made a mess of her. I would even argue that there were no heroes in WandaVision. It was just different people doing whatever the F they wanted. Even Monica didn't give a shiat about the enslaved civilians. The only true hero was the memory of Vision inhabiting the new body.
 
2021-09-16 3:26:39 PM  

Mystwalk: you are allowed your opinion and i respect that.


Incest should be on Pornhub, with women inexplicably stuck to / in things and discovered by rapey fathers and brothers.

You know what?  Not even that.  Let's leave the incest in Alabama, where it's tradition.
 
2021-09-16 3:35:14 PM  
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2021-09-16 3:40:44 PM  

madgonad: The only true hero was the memory of Vision inhabiting the new body.


That I can agree with.  Wanda accidentally got that one right, and she made hex-Vision Vision instead of her personally idealized verson of him.
 
2021-09-16 4:55:28 PM  

Unsung_Hero: madgonad: The only true hero was the memory of Vision inhabiting the new body.

That I can agree with.  Wanda accidentally got that one right, and she made hex-Vision Vision instead of her personally idealized verson of him.


Yes. That means her ideals are good. She can be redeemed. She knows that she has a better self. The series really didn't advance anything. It introduced Agatha and Monica formally to the MCU as supes, but left Wanda in the exact same place as she was before. Mourning and pondering her future. My guess is that a big component of Strange 2 will be her penance and path to redemption. I don't know how that will work if she will be woven into a multiverse plot which almost by definition will make any redemption she makes private. Heck, they might kill her. How many more movies is she contracted for? Google suggests that she is pretty much a la carte.
 
2021-09-16 5:15:18 PM  

The Silver Mullet: Great show, well deserved!


Definitely.  The people who wound up disappointed simply built certain things up in their heads that weren't promised.  I mean the only true disappointment was no Dr. Strange, because he was actually intended to be in it.
 
2021-09-16 5:33:02 PM  
It was Agatha All Along

Yes, yes it was.

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2021-09-16 7:08:32 PM  
Runners-up include Agnes, Jermaine and Jack
 
2021-09-16 8:19:11 PM  
Loved the series and can't wait for Doctor Strange

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2021-09-17 12:25:52 AM  
The first two awards include outstanding fantasy/sci-fi costumes filmed before a live studio audience, and the other was for outstanding production design for a narrative program (half-hour)

How many awards do they have down there at the Emmys, because those two are certainly very niche.
 
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