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2021-09-16 10:48:10 AM  
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2021-09-16 10:58:14 AM  
So Ohio has voted in the last decade about 45% Dem and about 55% repub but because of republican gerrymandering repubs have won 75% of congressional seats. Lie,cheat and steal is the republican way.
 
2021-09-16 11:34:13 AM  
We gerrymandered ourselves into 81% of the seats despite only having 54% of the population.  We'd like to keep it that way.  Anything else is tyranny.
 
2021-09-16 12:28:42 PM  
Their cunning analysis doesn't take something into account:  The suck factor of Republican candidates lately
 
2021-09-16 2:04:16 PM  

eurotrader: So Ohio has voted in the last decade about 45% Dem and about 55% repub but because of republican gerrymandering repubs have won 75% of congressional seats. Lie,cheat and steal is the republican way.


Seems better than WI where it's 48.5% Republican voters and they control 70% of the legislature.
 
2021-09-16 2:05:26 PM  
 
2021-09-16 2:06:26 PM  
Taxation without representation in action.
 
2021-09-16 2:07:02 PM  

EvilEgg: We gerrymandered ourselves into 81% of the seats despite only having 54% of the population.  We'd like to keep it that way.  Anything else is tyranny.


We feel persecuted people with opposing views are even discussing the issue, frankly.  Cancel culture has silenced us long enough.
 
2021-09-16 2:07:36 PM  
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"Everything seems in order here.  Carry on"
 
2021-09-16 2:09:22 PM  

macadamnut: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guided_​d​emocracy


Gelded democracy
 
2021-09-16 2:09:31 PM  
Did they take into account the same Republicans have voted in great numbers in multiple districts, because that's how you get 75-81% when the base ratio is 55% to 45% or 11 out of 20.  Those 11 have added 4 to 5 ghost votes.  It's the only way it could happen.
 
2021-09-16 2:12:28 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: macadamnut: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guided_d​emocracy

Gelded democracy


I'm afraid it's dicks all the way up.
 
2021-09-16 2:14:58 PM  
It's a gerrymander.
 
2021-09-16 2:15:39 PM  
So this is based on the Census which had about 5% of republicans not counted? And they choose to run maximum leverage. Bold strategy, lets see how that works out.
 
2021-09-16 2:17:23 PM  
This farking state.
 
2021-09-16 2:17:49 PM  

red5ish: Taxation without representation in action.


Also representation without taxation. Such a sham.
 
2021-09-16 2:18:18 PM  

BitwiseShift: Did they take into account the same Republicans have voted in great numbers in multiple districts, because that's how you get 75-81% when the base ratio is 55% to 45% or 11 out of 20.  Those 11 have added 4 to 5 ghost votes.  It's the only way it could happen.


That's not the stats they're talking about.

They're saying that in 13 of 18 statewide contests, the Republican candidate won.  So, the Republican candidate won 81% of those 18 contests.  But the actual votes were 55% for Republican and 45% for the Democratic candidate.

Now it's SHIATTY analysis to even mention the 81% number, because it's irrelevant.  But, they're trying to make ANY justification for why they should have more than 55% Republican seats.
 
2021-09-16 2:18:51 PM  

ExYank: So this is based on the Census which had about 5% of republicans not counted? And they choose to run maximum leverage. Bold strategy, lets see how that works out.


Of course it will work out. This state voted in Jim Jordan because people recognized his name from "something to do with sports at OSU so he's our guy".

The fact that the "something" was ignoring a huge molesting scandal doesn't matter.
 
2021-09-16 2:20:30 PM  
"We cheated before and it worked, and therefore we should get to cheat this time because it provides continuity"
 
2021-09-16 2:21:47 PM  
Aren't they just justifying gerrymandering the state by pointing out that the state is gerrymandered?
 
2021-09-16 2:24:49 PM  

BitwiseShift: Did they take into account the same Republicans have voted in great numbers in multiple districts, because that's how you get 75-81% when the base ratio is 55% to 45% or 11 out of 20.  Those 11 have added 4 to 5 ghost votes.  It's the only way it could happen.


Gerrymandering keeps enough Democratic voters in a given district to dilute the overall power of Democratic votes, but keeps a strong Republican majority in each district. So long as the district votes 51% Republican, their candidates get to claim representation for the whole thing. Democrats generally don't vote in huge numbers, making things worse. Republicans don't need to be a majority of the citizens, just 51% of the voters. There's a graphic somewhere demonstrating it.
 
2021-09-16 2:25:52 PM  
I ranted about this earlier in a thread about voting, but yeah, they've pretty much nullified democrats and have ensured Ohio will be red for generations. Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, and Dayton where the majority of the population lives has been "contained". This isn't democracy in any form. Instead of the perspective of this is America, let people vote and decide, they've taken the approach of, how can we game they system so that we never ever lose?
 
2021-09-16 2:31:43 PM  

ToastmasterGeneral: BitwiseShift: Did they take into account the same Republicans have voted in great numbers in multiple districts, because that's how you get 75-81% when the base ratio is 55% to 45% or 11 out of 20.  Those 11 have added 4 to 5 ghost votes.  It's the only way it could happen.

That's not the stats they're talking about.

They're saying that in 13 of 18 statewide contests, the Republican candidate won.  So, the Republican candidate won 81% of those 18 contests.  But the actual votes were 55% for Republican and 45% for the Democratic candidate.

Now it's SHIATTY analysis to even mention the 81% number, because it's irrelevant.  But, they're trying to make ANY justification for why they should have more than 55% Republican seats.


It made my eye twitch when they claimed that an 8-point spread in statewide party preference "corresponds closely" with a 30-point spread in the actual allocation of seats. Absurd.
 
2021-09-16 2:31:52 PM  
How far do they need to push before they're just, not following established rules of law and function and we declare them a rogue state and send in the military to quash the insurrection of these officials?

Cause' it's feeling like we're there.
 
2021-09-16 2:32:40 PM  
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"If you don't like the law, change it."

*Changes it*

"We're not gonna follow that new law, we like the old way of doing things so we're going with that. If you don't like it, change it."
 
2021-09-16 2:32:55 PM  
When reached for comment, the Ohio Redistricting Commission released this statement:

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2021-09-16 2:36:41 PM  
Also DeWine bemoaned a lack of good faith negotiations on Both Sides™, but th n voted to approve the Republican gerrymander (on the basis that it will go to the courts to be fixed, obviously.)
 
2021-09-16 2:37:16 PM  
As if we needed another reminder that Republicans farking hate democracy.
 
2021-09-16 2:38:03 PM  
SCOTUS said math was hard.
 
2021-09-16 2:38:25 PM  
Do we really want anyone from Ohio to hold an elected office?
 
2021-09-16 2:41:02 PM  
Just remember: a Constitutional Convention requires a ⅔ supermajority of State legislatures. They have 31 now. They need three more.
 
2021-09-16 2:47:23 PM  

ExYank: So this is based on the Census which had about 5% of republicans not counted? And they choose to run maximum leverage. Bold strategy, lets see how that works out.


A historic undercount of paranoid white republicans, who have also been dying off in record numbers from COVID AFTER the undercount.

I know that Republicans are anti-science morons that can't tell fact from fiction, but I struggle to believe someone hasn't told them that a gerrymander is only as good as their data and their data sucks.
 
2021-09-16 2:48:31 PM  

OptimisticCynicism: "We cheated before and it worked, and therefore we should get to cheat this time because it provides continuity"


This seems to be the only precedent the GOP respects
 
2021-09-16 2:51:07 PM  

lolmao500: Gerrymandering should be an act of treason.


Conservativism is an act of treason
 
2021-09-16 2:52:47 PM  

lolmao500: Moooooo K: This farking state.

If you think this will only happen in Ohio, I got news for ya.

The 2022 and 2024 elections will be atrocious. The GOP will win back all 3 branches more state legislatures and do their Constitutional Convention and repeal the Constitution itself and replace it with their new Godly Covenant of Gilead and Galt's Gulch and democracy will die. There'll be no more elections ― not in 2024 nor any other year. Elections are an affront to and usurpation of the authority of God.

/FT4Y
 
2021-09-16 2:53:36 PM  
It's funny because the GOP and the political right whine constantly about revolution, but if you look at the reasons for the American revolution as detailed in the declaration of independence much of the garbage the modern political right list as grievances are nowhere to be found in the founder's justification for breaking from the crown.

Yet, gerrymandering, over-representation by the minority and suppression of representation by the majority of Americans are things that would fit right into the list of colonial grievances that make up the declaration. Republicans do not have the "consent of the governed."

More often than not in history tyrannical regimes are in fact the minority who have convinced themselves of their divine right to rule.  Most Germans weren't in the Nazi party, most Russians were not communists, most Iraqis were not ba'ath party members and on and on.

All in the dustbin of history, I might add.  Keep FFO, Gop.
 
2021-09-16 2:54:03 PM  

lolmao500: Moooooo K: This farking state.

If you think this will only happen in Ohio, I got news for ya.

The 2022 and 2024 elections will be atrocious. The GOP will win back all 3 branches and democracy will die.


Nah, the Supreme Court would never... well, fark.
 
2021-09-16 2:58:11 PM  
thing reads like a low income housing tax credit set-aside schema, which is also a scam.
 
2021-09-16 2:59:22 PM  

COMALite J: Just remember: a Constitutional Convention requires a ⅔ supermajority of State legislatures. They have 31 now. They need three more.


*vomits*

I thought that's how they'd finally end Roe but I guess they didn't even need to wait that long. I can't imagine what horrors they would have time to focus on instead. I have no doubt that we would end up with a constitution that regulates genitals and sex.
 
2021-09-16 2:59:28 PM  

bighairyguy: Do we really want anyone from Ohio to hold an elected office?


Yes.  Jim Brown.  Wait.  No.  Violence against women.

Uh, Chrissie Hynde!!  Vote Brass in Pocket!
 
2021-09-16 2:59:58 PM  

HerptheDerp: How far do they need to push before they're just, not following established rules of law and function and we declare them a rogue state and send in the military to quash the insurrection of these officials?

Cause' it's feeling like we're there.


Them? You mean the United States, right?

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2021-09-16 3:05:01 PM  

nullptr: COMALite J: Just remember: a Constitutional Convention requires a ⅔ supermajority of State legislatures. They have 31 now. They need three more.

*vomits*

I thought that's how they'd finally end Roe but I guess they didn't even need to wait that long. I can't imagine what horrors they would have time to focus on instead. I have no doubt that we would end up with a constitution that regulates genitals and sex.


No, they'll just add a lot of stuff about interstate river traffic.  Oh and this:

No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed.
 
2021-09-16 3:05:31 PM  

Moooooo K: This farking state.


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2021-09-16 3:09:49 PM  

lolmao500: Moooooo K: This farking state.

If you think this will only happen in Ohio, I got news for ya.

The 2022 and 2024 elections will be atrocious. The GOP will win back all 3 branches and democracy will die.


At least we'll be able to rest easy knowing that the sacred Senate tradition of the filibuster was kept intact and we took the advice of the Parlimentarian whenever needed.
 
2021-09-16 3:19:31 PM  

lolmao500: Moooooo K: This farking state.

If you think this will only happen in Ohio, I got news for ya.

The 2022 and 2024 elections will be atrocious. The GOP will win back all 3 branches and democracy will die.


Yeah, but at least we will have kept the filibuster, which is apparently the most important thing in government.
 
2021-09-16 3:19:53 PM  
A power grab, subby. That's what this is called.
 
2021-09-16 3:25:56 PM  

HerptheDerp: How far do they need to push before they're just, not following established rules of law and function and we declare them a rogue state and send in the military to quash the insurrection of these officials?

Cause' it's feeling like we're there.


The USSC already ruled that these actions are perfectly legal. The slide towards fascism continues to accelerate.
 
2021-09-16 3:27:34 PM  

red5ish: Taxation without representation in action.


Maybe I'll use that in April to tell them to fark off and give me all my taxes back.

/Ohio Fark tag!
 
2021-09-16 3:31:23 PM  
Is there such a thing as a Tactical Sweet Meteor of Death that could impact Ohio only?  With Josh Mandel, JD Vance, whatever the fark this is, and the Bengals I'm thinking they've earned one.
 
2021-09-16 3:31:43 PM  

Grungehamster: [Fark user image image 425x457]

"If you don't like the law, change it."

*Changes it*

"We're not gonna follow that new law, we like the old way of doing things so we're going with that. If you don't like it, change it."


Missouri legislators have ignored several ballot measures that they didn't like, and have faced little to no consequences. Other states have changed ballot measure rules so they can't bind the legislators.
 
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