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(Onion AV Club)   Stop referring to Norm MacDonald as an "anti-comic". He wasn't. He was the anti-anti-comic's comic. Just ask Frank Stallone   (avclub.com) divider line
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2021-09-16 12:51:44 PM  
Comic or anti-comic, he was one of the best ever.

Personal Top 3: Chappelle, Jeselnik, MacDonald
 
2021-09-16 2:05:59 PM  
The only reason I went to his show was because the light was on.
 
2021-09-16 2:15:29 PM  
I've never found the man all that funny.  last time I saw him he was guesting on SNL (like 2012/2013 I think) he he seriously starting telling farking "Pollack" jokes.
 
2021-09-16 2:17:26 PM  
What's O.J.'s opinion on this?
 
2021-09-16 2:21:03 PM  
...or so the Germans would have us believe.
 
2021-09-16 2:24:16 PM  

Stratohead: I've never found the man all that funny.  last time I saw him he was guesting on SNL (like 2012/2013 I think) he he seriously starting telling farking "Pollack" jokes.


That sounds fishy.
 
2021-09-16 2:34:56 PM  

Stratohead: I've never found the man all that funny.  last time I saw him he was guesting on SNL (like 2012/2013 I think) he he seriously starting telling farking "Pollack" jokes.


He made jokes about a painter?  Classic Norm!
 
2021-09-16 2:36:14 PM  

Stratohead: I've never found the man all that funny.  last time I saw him he was guesting on SNL (like 2012/2013 I think) he he seriously starting telling farking "Pollack" jokes.


Hey, you either like abstract expressionism or you don't.
 
2021-09-16 2:36:31 PM  

Kris_Romm: Stratohead: I've never found the man all that funny.  last time I saw him he was guesting on SNL (like 2012/2013 I think) he he seriously starting telling farking "Pollack" jokes.

He made jokes about a painter?  Classic Norm!


GODDAMMITSOMUCH
 
2021-09-16 2:37:10 PM  
Anti-comedy doesn't mean the absence of comedy or the absence of a joke.  It's meta-humor, which is humor.

He did tell traditional jokes, but he also told plenty of non-traditional jokes
 
2021-09-16 2:38:23 PM  

optimistic_cynic: Stratohead: I've never found the man all that funny.  last time I saw him he was guesting on SNL (like 2012/2013 I think) he he seriously starting telling farking "Pollack" jokes.

That sounds fishy.


And spotty at best
 
2021-09-16 2:45:11 PM  

Stratohead: I've never found the man all that funny.  last time I saw him he was guesting on SNL (like 2012/2013 I think) he he seriously starting telling farking "Pollack" jokes.


Who do you think you are, Mars?
 
2021-09-16 2:53:05 PM  

bhcompy: Anti-comedy doesn't mean the absence of comedy or the absence of a joke.  It's meta-humor, which is humor.


That's why comedians were dying during his Saget roasts - those jokes were all basically out of "Little Comic's First Book of Jokes".
 
2021-09-16 2:55:17 PM  

bhcompy: Anti-comedy doesn't mean the absence of comedy or the absence of a joke.  It's meta-humor, which is humor.

He did tell traditional jokes, but he also told plenty of non-traditional jokes


Yeah, but they weren't meta jokes.   He didn't joke about the process of comedy.  He just told jokes that often relied on understanding what's absurd.  It's not a discussion or analysis of comedy, or a revelation of the process.

Not that there isn't plenty to discuss, even by him elsewhere.  He just didn't do it as the point of a joke.  And occasionally saying "that's a joke, see" doesn't count.

His jokes were mainly non-sequitors.  One of his comedy buddies (I forget which one) called it "taking a left turn".  He'd lead with something, by mid joke you'd totally be befuddled where he was going, then he'd deliver the non-sequitor.  Of course, being dry and sarcastic was a big staple too.  But he wasn't picking apart comedy itself, as much as he was the audience (since he was perfectly willing to make them the point of the joke).  Is THAT anti-comedy?  Okay, maybe.  But that's certainly not being meta, in my opinion.
 
2021-09-16 2:56:26 PM  

bhcompy: Anti-comedy doesn't mean the absence of comedy or the absence of a joke.  It's meta-humor, which is humor.

He did tell traditional jokes, but he also told plenty of non-traditional jokes


I came to say basically this. All of the things the author says he didn't do, he absolutely did do. He wasn't 100% committed to anti-comedy, sure, but he did more than his fair share of playing around with the format and puncturing the comic expectations of the audience.
 
2021-09-16 2:59:36 PM  

Kris_Romm: bhcompy: Anti-comedy doesn't mean the absence of comedy or the absence of a joke.  It's meta-humor, which is humor.

He did tell traditional jokes, but he also told plenty of non-traditional jokes

Yeah, but they weren't meta jokes.   He didn't joke about the process of comedy.  He just told jokes that often relied on understanding what's absurd.  It's not a discussion or analysis of comedy, or a revelation of the process.

Not that there isn't plenty to discuss, even by him elsewhere.  He just didn't do it as the point of a joke.  And occasionally saying "that's a joke, see" doesn't count.

His jokes were mainly non-sequitors.  One of his comedy buddies (I forget which one) called it "taking a left turn".  He'd lead with something, by mid joke you'd totally be befuddled where he was going, then he'd deliver the non-sequitor.  Of course, being dry and sarcastic was a big staple too.  But he wasn't picking apart comedy itself, as much as he was the audience (since he was perfectly willing to make them the point of the joke).  Is THAT anti-comedy?  Okay, maybe.  But that's certainly not being meta, in my opinion.


That he told jokes that depended upon the audience understanding that he knew that the joke he was telling was a terrible joke is in fact meta.
 
2021-09-16 3:04:32 PM  
JesusH.Christ.  Can't we just replace him with Levar Burton already?

*wrongthread...or is it?*
 
2021-09-16 3:06:08 PM  
"Who was the better man: Dr Martin Luther King, or...Stalin?"
 
2021-09-16 3:07:25 PM  

Stratohead: I've never found the man all that funny.  last time I saw him he was guesting on SNL (like 2012/2013 I think) he he seriously starting telling farking "Pollack" jokes.


"Well for a start, this is a hardware store."
 
2021-09-16 3:13:09 PM  
Norm was a dedicated contrarian, so it's not a surprise he's popular here. You can see it in his Saget roast, where he was told "you have to be edgy and dirty" and so he went as clean and vanilla as possible. And only those people who figured out what he was doing got it.
 
2021-09-16 3:18:16 PM  
He had a real talent for use the word "whore". Assistant Crack Whore always reminds me of my ex.
 
2021-09-16 3:25:13 PM  
Man, you guys really like to dissect Norm's work and put his humour in strange, labelled categories. He was absolutely hilarious at everything he did. He wasn't meta or anti anything. He was funny. That's it. It's not that difficult to understand. Stop trying to explain to us why he was funny. We know. He was funny because he made us laugh.
 
2021-09-16 3:28:19 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: Stratohead: I've never found the man all that funny.  last time I saw him he was guesting on SNL (like 2012/2013 I think) he he seriously starting telling farking "Pollack" jokes.

Hey, you either like abstract expressionism or you don't.


You're not the Bosch of me!
 
2021-09-16 3:29:05 PM  

Adebisi: Man, you guys really like to dissect Norm's work and put his humour in strange, labelled categories. He was absolutely hilarious at everything he did. He wasn't meta or anti anything. He was funny. That's it. It's not that difficult to understand. Stop trying to explain to us why he was funny. We know. He was funny because he made us laugh.


It's a natural talent in his family.
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2021-09-16 3:33:03 PM  

optimistic_cynic: Stratohead: I've never found the man all that funny.  last time I saw him he was guesting on SNL (like 2012/2013 I think) he he seriously starting telling farking "Pollack" jokes.

That sounds fishy.


Barney Miller - Bigotry
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2021-09-16 3:43:52 PM  

bhcompy: Anti-comedy doesn't mean the absence of comedy or the absence of a joke.  It's meta-humor, which is humor.

He did tell traditional jokes, but he also told plenty of non-traditional jokes


Which you can read about in the latest entertainment magazine, Duh.
 
2021-09-16 3:44:34 PM  

Adebisi: Stop trying to explain to us why he was funny. We know. He was funny because he made us laugh.


That's very anti-intellectual of you; comics study and analyze this stuff all the time, to learn how to be even funnier.
 
2021-09-16 3:46:31 PM  

Stratohead: I've never found the man all that funny.  last time I saw him he was guesting on SNL (like 2012/2013 I think) he he seriously starting telling farking "Pollack" jokes.


I mean, he was a crappy artist but, making fun of him is pretty passé.
 
2021-09-16 3:48:45 PM  

Chainsaw Turd Elf: He had a real talent for use the word "whore". Assistant Crack Whore always reminds me of my ex.


Much like Bob Ross, he showed respected because he'd never seen so many dead whores in all his life.
 
2021-09-16 3:57:15 PM  

GRCooper: bhcompy: Anti-comedy doesn't mean the absence of comedy or the absence of a joke.  It's meta-humor, which is humor.

That's why comedians were dying during his Saget roasts - those jokes were all basically out of "Little Comic's First Book of Jokes".


Not basically.  He took them straight from a 1940's joke book because he didn't want to insult his friend.
 
2021-09-16 4:06:48 PM  

Stratohead: I've never found the man all that funny.  last time I saw him he was guesting on SNL (like 2012/2013 I think) he he seriously starting telling farking "Pollack" jokes.


That was wrong.

Unless Kevin Pollack told "McDonald" jokes, in which case turnabout is fair play.
 
2021-09-16 4:10:58 PM  

Adebisi: Man, you guys really like to dissect Norm's work and put his humour in strange, labelled categories. He was absolutely hilarious at everything he did. He wasn't meta or anti anything. He was funny. That's it. It's not that difficult to understand. Stop trying to explain to us why he was funny. We know. He was funny because he made us laugh.


If you have to explain the joke...
 
2021-09-16 4:11:41 PM  

Kubo: Comic or anti-comic, he was one of the best ever.

Personal Top 3: Chappelle, Jeselnik, MacDonald


I woupd replace Jesselnik with Tom Segura or Bill Burr.

I actually liked Jesselniks interview show a lot but his I will say anything outrageous comedy just doesn't do it for me.
 
2021-09-16 4:16:54 PM  

Magnus: Adebisi: Man, you guys really like to dissect Norm's work and put his humour in strange, labelled categories. He was absolutely hilarious at everything he did. He wasn't meta or anti anything. He was funny. That's it. It's not that difficult to understand. Stop trying to explain to us why he was funny. We know. He was funny because he made us laugh.

If you have to explain the joke...


Sometimes explaining the joke is the joke.

Dr. Horrible VS Captain Hammer
Youtube c_O0jNYOGTQ
 
2021-09-16 4:17:16 PM  

Kubo: Comic or anti-comic, he was one of the best ever.

Personal Top 3: Chappelle, Jeselnik, MacDonald


Might I suggest y'all look for the Irish fella Dave Allen?
 
2021-09-16 4:22:34 PM  

Adebisi: Man, you guys really like to dissect Norm's work and put his humour in strange, labelled categories. He was absolutely hilarious at everything he did. He wasn't meta or anti anything. He was funny. That's it. It's not that difficult to understand. Stop trying to explain to us why he was funny. We know. He was funny because he made us laugh.


Thaaaank you!
 
2021-09-16 4:31:29 PM  

SuperChuck: Norm was a dedicated contrarian, so it's not a surprise he's popular here. You can see it in his Saget roast, where he was told "you have to be edgy and dirty" and so he went as clean and vanilla as possible. And only those people who figured out what he was doing got it.


That farking killed me.  Even down to the "What the H?" and the long stares.  It was like one long FU to the producers.
 
2021-09-16 4:31:38 PM  
Norm was a f*cking comedic genius, pure and simple. He could make you laugh at the dumbest goddamn jokes. He could tell long, meandering stories that would lead to a horrific pun for a punchline (youthful porpoise), and it would leave you in tears from laughing so hard. He could tell child-aged jokes at an otherwise filthy roast, and steal the show.
There has never been, nor shall there ever again be, a comic brain like his.
 
2021-09-16 4:32:14 PM  

bhcompy: Anti-comedy doesn't mean the absence of comedy or the absence of a joke.  It's meta-humor, which is humor.

He did tell traditional jokes, but he also told plenty of non-traditional jokes


It worked for Norm because he was funny first, then he built on it. Here's what it looks like if you aren't funny without any legwork:

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cul​t​ure-desk/the-funny-furious-anti-comedy​-of-hannah-gadsby

You have to be funny first or you the anti-joke doesn't land.
 
2021-09-16 4:46:22 PM  

Kubo: Comic or anti-comic, he was one of the best ever.

Personal Top 3: Chappelle, Jeselnik, MacDonald


When he had Nick Kroll and Patton Oswalt on his show (The Jeselnik Offensive), I don't think I've ever laughed as hard.
 
2021-09-16 5:17:10 PM  

bluorangefyre: What's O.J.'s opinion on this?


He'll take a stab at it later today.
 
2021-09-16 5:26:53 PM  

alechemist: bluorangefyre: What's O.J.'s opinion on this?

He'll take a stab at it later today.


Now that Norm is gone, OJ wants to start doing standup comedy.  He thinks he'd kill at it.
 
2021-09-16 5:42:54 PM  
I'm very sorry about his passing. Although I do have to admit I never found him particularly funny myself. But I'm so glad that so many people cherish his memory and his talent.
 
2021-09-16 6:53:24 PM  

bhcompy: Anti-comedy doesn't mean the absence of comedy or the absence of a joke.  It's meta-humor, which is humor.

He did tell traditional jokes, but he also told plenty of non-traditional jokes


He was also the master of the unexpected punchline.  There was no traditional rhythm with Norm, he just hit you with it out of the blue.
 
2021-09-16 6:59:00 PM  
Norm still told jokes. He still did stand up. People act like the guy ONLY told bad jokes. Some of his stuff was classic stand-up material.

He knew how to roast people but I never got the impression that he ever intended to do it in a mean-spirited fashion.

I do think that he sometimes didn't understand that some of his stuff was pretty awful to say in context. Like he's said some pretty racist and homophobic sh*t over the years, but I think the problem was that some people simply don't have a good sense of humor, or are more sensitive, and don't realize that his intent was never really very mean-spirited. And lately of course everyone has gotten super sensitive about everything, to the point that I think comedy is undergoing a change right now.

People called him a comic's comic because he was always pretty good at knowing who his crowd was and playing off of that. When he gets in the spotlight it's typically with another comic or group of comics, and he responds accordingly. Also let's face it, the guy never really gave much of a fark about what others thought about him, at least that's how he projected himself.

In the end Norm was a flawed guy, like any other human being on earth. His jokes weren't always exceptional, but he had a superb laugh and a great smile and an appreciation for humanity, and I think the world is better for him being in it.
 
2021-09-16 7:01:41 PM  
Norm Macdonald Accidentally Ordered A Porno | Late Night with Conan O'Brien
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2021-09-16 7:16:14 PM  
 
2021-09-16 7:22:29 PM  
A man far angrier than Norm talks about him:

Marc Maron on the death of Norm Macdonald
Youtube oyPd1Al-CwE
 
2021-09-16 7:27:07 PM  
The Maron podcast episode with Norm:

http://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/repost-​n​orm-macdonald-from-2011

Also, the full episode with Chris Hardwick that part of was posted about in another thread:

https://new.podtail.com/podcast/the-n​e​rdist/norm-macdonald/
 
2021-09-16 9:08:49 PM  

Stratohead: I've never found the man all that funny.  last time I saw him he was guesting on SNL (like 2012/2013 I think) he he seriously starting telling farking "Pollack" jokes.


Which once again proves my theory: "Pollacks love David Hasselhoff!"
 
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