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(Salon)   The sedate world of astronomy is fighting over whether or not our solar system has been invaded by an alien craft   (salon.com) divider line
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2021-09-16 4:15:39 AM  
Well, if it was, we'll know soon enough.

After all.

The Ramans do everything in threes.
 
2021-09-16 4:29:55 AM  
Oumuamua....doo doo doo doo doo doo.....

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2021-09-16 4:32:18 AM  
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2021-09-16 4:33:26 AM  

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Crap.

This is news how?  They've been babbling about this thing being possibly alien since it first came around.
 
2021-09-16 4:35:12 AM  
Only idiots would look at something that doesnt fall in the "norm" and instantly say its aliens
 
2021-09-16 4:58:03 AM  
I childishly love how many renderings of this thing just look like someone drew a turd flying in space.
 
2021-09-16 5:04:47 AM  

Bootysama: I childishly love how many renderings of this thing just look like someone drew a turd flying in space.


Drax fans.
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2021-09-16 5:14:01 AM  
It's aliens. They're here. They've been here. And these things:

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are their species' equivalent of our doodling crudely drawn dicks all over everything.
 
2021-09-16 5:26:47 AM  
No.  If they were just passing through, they wouldn't get so close to a star and its debris.  If they were going to visit, they would call.  If they were going to observe, we wouldn't see them. If they were going to invade, they would send a few kinetic kill vehicles first.

Next question.
 
2021-09-16 5:52:51 AM  
It might just be a scout.

I wouldn't worry until the barbarians start sending archers and swordsmen towards our cities.
 
2021-09-16 5:59:37 AM  
One professor making the claim is not a debate. Especially when that prof is Avi Loeb.
 
2021-09-16 6:03:11 AM  
From all of the stories I've read, there's only one person (Avi Loeb) who still clings to the idea that it's aliens.

[looks at article]

Yep, it's Loeb.  It's not the astronomy world that's fighting, it's one crackpot scientist who's trying to sell his crackpot book.
 
2021-09-16 6:12:36 AM  

Morning Horsefarts: No.  If they were just passing through, they wouldn't get so close to a star and its debris.  If they were going to visit, they would call.  If they were going to observe, we wouldn't see them. If they were going to invade, they would send a few kinetic kill vehicles first.

Next question.


Look at the big brain on the *alien expert* here.
 
2021-09-16 6:29:09 AM  

bostonguy: It might just be a scout.

I wouldn't worry until the barbarians start sending archers and swordsmen towards our cities.


Or musketeers.

https://eyeofmidas.com/scifi/Turtledo​v​e_RoadNotTaken.pdf

But even then, I wouldn't worry too much.
 
2021-09-16 6:43:07 AM  

The Crepes of Wrath: From all of the stories I've read, there's only one person (Avi Loeb) who still clings to the idea that it's aliens.

[looks at article]

Yep, it's Loeb.  It's not the astronomy world that's fighting, it's one crackpot scientist who's trying to sell his crackpot book.


You do of course realize that "Avi Loeb" is an anagram of "EVIL BOA", right?
 
2021-09-16 6:46:17 AM  

BafflerMeal: Morning Horsefarts: No.  If they were just passing through, they wouldn't get so close to a star and its debris.  If they were going to visit, they would call.  If they were going to observe, we wouldn't see them. If they were going to invade, they would send a few kinetic kill vehicles first.

Next question.

Look at the big brain on the *alien expert* here.


On the planet Koozbane, they don't have quarter pounders because of the fleebnorp system.  They're called gwanchvep with cheese.
 
2021-09-16 7:13:02 AM  
No it isn't.  If an astronomer tries to tell you Oumuamua was an alien spacecraft, they're selling out their integrity for money.

Oh, and look, this asshole is publishing a pop 'science' book on it.
 
2021-09-16 7:26:38 AM  
Exactly. The entire fake 'controversy' is utter hogwash, there is no controversy, no credible astronomer or scientist of any stripe thinks such a stupid thing.
 
2021-09-16 7:35:50 AM  

dittybopper: The Crepes of Wrath: From all of the stories I've read, there's only one person (Avi Loeb) who still clings to the idea that it's aliens.

[looks at article]

Yep, it's Loeb.  It's not the astronomy world that's fighting, it's one crackpot scientist who's trying to sell his crackpot book.

You do of course realize that "Avi Loeb" is an anagram of "EVIL BOA", right?


And "dittybopper" is an anagram for "be potty drip". What's your point?
 
2021-09-16 7:46:24 AM  
FTA: "Pluto-like planets"

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2021-09-16 7:59:32 AM  
At this point, they're mostly just arguing about the fact that it isn't.
 
2021-09-16 8:45:45 AM  

bostonguy: I wouldn't worry until the barbarians start sending archers and swordsmen towards our cities.


Barbarian's don't use bows, they don't get the rage damage with ranged weapons.
 
2021-09-16 8:59:25 AM  

Unsung_Hero: No it isn't.  If an astronomer tries to tell you Oumuamua was an alien spacecraft, they're selling out their integrity for money.

Oh, and look, this asshole is publishing a pop 'science' book on it.


That he is selling a book is not evidence of anything unless you are adding Carl Sagan and pretty much any scientist who has written pop science to your list of sellouts.

This guy seems to actually believe what he says. The problem is not that he wrote a book. He'd still be a crank even if he never wrote a book and never gave an interview. Hell thinking that Oumuamua being artificial is a hypothesis worth looking is not really the problem either. No for him it is a more fundamental problem. He does not understand that no matter how good you think an extraordinary hypothesis is, you have nothing until you really can rule out mundane explanations.  When pulsars were first found, that they might be alien beacons came to mind. But they did not conclude it. Instead they rolled up their sleeves and looked for a mundane explanation. Sure enough, it was quickly realized that they were a previously predicted natural phenomenon.
 
2021-09-16 9:07:52 AM  

TheMysteriousStranger: When pulsars were first found, that they might be alien beacons came to mind. But they did not conclude it. Instead they rolled up their sleeves and looked for a mundane explanation. Sure enough, it was quickly realized that they were a previously predicted natural phenomenon.


Yep, the first discovered was jokingly named "LGM-1" for "little green men."  They soon discarded that idea when a second pulsar was found just a few months later.
 
2021-09-16 9:26:00 AM  

Felgraf: Well, if it was, we'll know soon enough.

After all.

The Ramans do everything in threes.


Invaded sounds like a human word.

If u mean have alien craft from other star systems traveled to our solar system and earth then ill save u the suspense: yes
 
2021-09-16 9:28:17 AM  
TheMysteriousStranger: That he is selling a book is not evidence of anything unless you are adding Carl Sagan and pretty much any scientist who has written pop science to your list of sellouts.

Not all astronomers with a book to sell are telling you Oumuamua is artificial in origin, but all astronomers telling you Oumuamua is artificial in origin have a book to sell.
 
2021-09-16 9:33:08 AM  
Hmmm...

Where's Betazoid Tal Elbrun when you need him?

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2021-09-16 9:34:14 AM  
Summary of the "argument":

Blackadder: Look, there's no need to panic. Someone in the crew will know how to steer this thing. 
Captain Rum: The crew, milord? 
Blackadder: Yes, the crew. 
Captain Rum: What crew? 
Blackadder: I was under the impression that it was common maritime practice for a ship to have a crew. 
Captain Rum: Opinion is divided on the subject. 
Blackadder: Oh, really?  
Captain Rum: Yes. All the other captains say it is; I say it isn't.
 
2021-09-16 10:09:48 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: bostonguy: I wouldn't worry until the barbarians start sending archers and swordsmen towards our cities.

Barbarian's don't use bows, they don't get the rage damage with ranged weapons.


As long as we don't send tanks it will be fine. I've seen what pikemen do to tanks.
 
2021-09-16 10:28:48 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: dittybopper: The Crepes of Wrath: From all of the stories I've read, there's only one person (Avi Loeb) who still clings to the idea that it's aliens.

[looks at article]

Yep, it's Loeb.  It's not the astronomy world that's fighting, it's one crackpot scientist who's trying to sell his crackpot book.

You do of course realize that "Avi Loeb" is an anagram of "EVIL BOA", right?

And "dittybopper" is an anagram for "be potty drip". What's your point?


This is Fark.com.

Are you seriously implying that there needs to be a point?
 
2021-09-16 10:48:48 AM  
Last night I decided that if I am an alien then my name is Zertbort.
 
2021-09-16 11:17:54 AM  

khitsicker: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: bostonguy: I wouldn't worry until the barbarians start sending archers and swordsmen towards our cities.

Barbarian's don't use bows, they don't get the rage damage with ranged weapons.

As long as we don't send tanks it will be fine. I've seen what pikemen do to tanks.


CPU player = one pikeman is perfectly fine to defend this one city with no walls on an island by itself.

Human player = I hope these 15 mech infantry can hold off those two barbarian horseman until I can move more units into the area from the next city 7 spaces over.
 
2021-09-16 12:22:42 PM  
Does it have an "I Break For Betelgeusians" bumper sticker?
 
2021-09-16 12:35:37 PM  
Short answer: yes.
Long answer: we're looking in the wrong places in the wrong ways. They can't invade because nukes blowd up real good no matter how advanced your technology is, but they won't let us leave en masse until they're convinced we won't bring our hostility against Others into space. The inter-national security state can't fathom not having enemies to fight, and their influence on great power governments keeps the universal truth out of mainstream consciousness.

/there's nothing to fear except fear itself
//and nukes. should probably fear nukes too
///mind worms are real and feed on fear and can cause autoimmune diseases
 
2021-09-16 3:56:11 PM  

Unsung_Hero: TheMysteriousStranger: That he is selling a book is not evidence of anything unless you are adding Carl Sagan and pretty much any scientist who has written pop science to your list of sellouts.

Not all astronomers with a book to sell are telling you Oumuamua is artificial in origin, but all astronomers telling you Oumuamua is artificial in origin have a book to sell.


That does not make sense.  That a book is garbage is not mean that is disingenuous. Sagan did not write books to sell out as much as many in the science community alleged that he did*. He wanted to share his ideas. Cranks can have the same motivation.

*And yes that was a common accusation that Sagan received from fellow scientists. And they penalized him for it.
 
2021-09-16 4:22:38 PM  

The Crepes of Wrath: TheMysteriousStranger: When pulsars were first found, that they might be alien beacons came to mind. But they did not conclude it. Instead they rolled up their sleeves and looked for a mundane explanation. Sure enough, it was quickly realized that they were a previously predicted natural phenomenon.

Yep, the first discovered was jokingly named "LGM-1" for "little green men."  They soon discarded that idea when a second pulsar was found just a few months later.


Well if it was Loeb doing the research, he would have concluded:

There two beacons. After all having only one beacon in your galactic civilization makes little sense. Now the evidence for aliens is even stronger. And stop telling about this thing that that screwball Zwicky predicted a couple decades ago. An object so heavy that protons and electrons merge, come on. It has got to be aliens.

Superficially it makes sense. But have mundane explanations really been exhausted? And have really looked at Fritz's calculations for this neutron star thing. It seems strange, but the calculations seem solid and it would be an entirely natural explanation.

/It is never aliens until it is.
 
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