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2021-09-15 3:29:57 PM  
Religion hates.
Religion kills.
Religion is ignorance.
Fark Religion.
 
2021-09-15 3:42:22 PM  
Slave masters used Christianity to defend their ownership of slaves. Trump AG Jeff Sessions loved to hold to that world view. It is alive and well today in the US.

But just to make sure that nothing is as easy as it appears...

Slaves and their freed descendants used Christianity to help bring them together and fill a vacuum left when the Government turned its back on them. They were an avenue for organizing and support and became the fertile ground from which the civil rights movements grew up. They helped black Americans survive the hell that is / was the war on black people drugs.
 
2021-09-15 3:43:08 PM  
Racism is fundamentally immoral, just like rape or murder. There are no "good" racists.
 
2021-09-15 4:06:01 PM  
"George Whitefield, also known as George Whitfield, (27 December [O.S. 16 December] 1714 - 30 September 1770) was an Anglican cleric and evangelist who was one of the founders of Methodism and the evangelical movement."

...

"In 1740, Whitefield traveled to North America, where he preached a series of revivals that became part of the 'Great Awakening'. His methods were controversial and he engaged in numerous debates and disputes with other clergymen.
Whitefield received widespread recognition during his ministry; he preached at least 18,000 times to perhaps 10 million listeners in Great Britain and her American colonies."

...

"Slavery had been outlawed in the young colony of Georgia in 1735. In 1747, Whitefield attributed the financial woes of his Bethesda Orphanage to Georgia's prohibition of black people in the colony. He argued that "the constitution of that colony [Georgia] is very bad, and it is impossible for the inhabitants to subsist" while blacks were banned."

...

"Between 1748 and 1750, Whitefield campaigned for the legalisation of African-American emigration into the colony because the trustees of Georgia had banned slavery. Whitefield argued that the colony would never be prosperous unless slaves were allowed to farm the land."

...

"Black slaves were permitted to live in Georgia in 1751."


/ I will also note that Whitfield's Wikipedia page has been sanitized over the last couple years to de-emphasize the fact that he was a slavery advocate
// And also to emphasize the fact that he was supposedly one of the first revivialists to actually preach to slaves and attempt to convert them en masse, which is a separate thorny mess
 
2021-09-15 4:15:06 PM  
In today's society there is no good use for religion. It's all backwards and destructive.
 
2021-09-15 4:15:44 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Religion hates.
Religion kills.
Religion is ignorance.
Fark Religion.


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2021-09-15 4:16:29 PM  

Lambskincoat: Racism is fundamentally immoral, just like rape or murder. There are no "good" racists.


But where do you land on pineapple as a pizza topping?
 
2021-09-15 4:19:40 PM  

SpectroBoy: Lambskincoat: Racism is fundamentally immoral, just like rape or murder. There are no "good" racists.

But where do you land on pineapple as a pizza topping?


Pineapple on pizza is like sex: it can be sublime or morally indefensible depending on context.
 
2021-09-15 4:36:08 PM  
I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise:

Religion is ignorance.

And proudly so, by their own definition:

Some God guy: The Bible teaches that "faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see" (Hebrews 11:1).

Believing is reality is science. Believing in fantasy is faith.
 
2021-09-15 4:47:17 PM  

SpectroBoy: Lambskincoat: Racism is fundamentally immoral, just like rape or murder. There are no "good" racists.

But where do you land on pineapple as a pizza topping?


Like all religion, this one too can lead to bloodshed.
 
2021-09-15 4:52:32 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Slave masters used Christianity to defend their ownership of slaves. Trump AG Jeff Sessions loved to hold to that world view. It is alive and well today in the US.

But just to make sure that nothing is as easy as it appears...

Slaves and their freed descendants used Christianity to help bring them together and fill a vacuum left when the Government turned its back on them. They were an avenue for organizing and support and became the fertile ground from which the civil rights movements grew up. They helped black Americans survive the hell that is / was the war on black people drugs.


It's a tool that allows for togetherness and control. It always has been. It probably always will be.
 
2021-09-15 5:01:50 PM  
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2021-09-15 5:02:48 PM  

Lambskincoat: SpectroBoy: Lambskincoat: Racism is fundamentally immoral, just like rape or murder. There are no "good" racists.

But where do you land on pineapple as a pizza topping?

Like all religion, this one too can lead to bloodshed.


You are wise beyond your years.
 
2021-09-15 5:03:24 PM  
Thank you Phyllis Schlafly!!!
 
2021-09-15 5:05:35 PM  
the put the BIG in Bigot.
 
2021-09-15 5:05:41 PM  
i thought today was going to be the day where a group of people who named their belief system after some guy actually adhered to that guy's message. Oh well, maybe tomorrow.

The Good Samaritan story wasn't just about being nice to people. It was also a lesson in recognizing that all people are inherently brothers to you, even if they are from a different nation or belief system.

Odd that most atheists I know (including myself) seem to manifest behavior and actions more in line with Jebbus'es teaching than his sworn supporters.
 
2021-09-15 5:05:50 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Religion hates.
Religion kills.
Religion is ignorance.
Fark Religion.


Done In one.
 
2021-09-15 5:07:05 PM  
Well, yeah, most Evangelicals believe slavery to be ok since it is ok in the bible. That also means racism isn't a big deal.
 
2021-09-15 5:08:58 PM  
Evangelicals want to meet Jesus I say we help them on the way
 
2021-09-15 5:09:28 PM  

rudemix: Odd that most atheists I know (including myself) seem to manifest behavior and actions more in line with Jebbus'es teaching than his sworn supporters.


I'm totally okay with atheists ignoring the bits about enabling abusers and damning whole towns if they don't agree with you immediately.

/ Plus there's all the "true believers can do magic" stuff, which I don't know that any atheists actually "manifest behavior in line with"
 
2021-09-15 5:11:05 PM  
And here many of us though back in 2016 that evangelicals would be embarrassed and ashamed of MAGA, at least recognize they were hypocrites. Now we know evangelicals have been driving MAGA the whole time.


/How do they say it... Bless their hearts.
 
2021-09-15 5:13:21 PM  
If you're racist and annoying,
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If you're racist and annoying,
Fark yourself.
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If you're racist and annoying,
Fark yourself.
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If you're racist and annoying,
Forever lonely and destroying,Fark yourself
 
2021-09-15 5:14:10 PM  

phoenix352: And here many of us though back in 2016 that evangelicals would be embarrassed and ashamed of MAGA, at least recognize they were hypocrites. Now we know evangelicals have been driving MAGA the whole time.


/How do they say it... Bless their hearts.


I admit, during the 2016 primary I thought the sex stuff would be too much. And maybe the overt racism, (as opposed to the more subtle, "we should be focusing on the kingdom of heaven" kind I was used to.)

But after I reviewed a lot of the experiences I had with evangelicals growing up (and went back and reviewed chunks of the New Testament in another context,) it made a heck of a lot of sense.

I guess I learned some things.
 
2021-09-15 5:15:32 PM  
Every time they throw a tantrum about CRT, they validate it that it's real.
 
2021-09-15 5:15:42 PM  
If you break it down, religion is really what
Is holding the south back from, well, everything.
I've lived in the area my whole life and I'm really damn sick of hearing the statement "well, God has a plan" after obviously unavoidable sh*t takes place...
 
2021-09-15 5:15:42 PM  
"Evangelicals at the forefront of defending racism as quintessentially American"

I mean, they aren't wrong about that.  America, its entire history, as well as its very foundations, were borne from and function to racism.  In modern times, we've redefined what it means to be a Person, to include Humans in general.  That was unthinkable in the 18th Century.  It's still uncommon in the 21st.

Americans, in aggregate, are not terribly racist.  In sum total, they are still very incredibly racist.  The largest group of individuals, while not anti-racism, are not racist, and even when combined with the smaller anti-racism groups are still in the actual minority.  The totality of smaller groups range from passively racist, to all-out white-hood racist, although many of the smaller segments would swear up and down they aren't (PDX leftists are a special breed of this - always assuming they know best what PoC really need for their communities, to the exclusion of voices actually within those communities).

America is a racist nation, and Americans are a racist people.

We should be striving to do better, not embrace our evil.
 
2021-09-15 5:17:25 PM  
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2021-09-15 5:19:16 PM  
It's my sincerely held belief that there a systemic Kremlin foothold in American evangelicalism dating back about 50 years and it must be removed. It twisted religion into a knife to stab America.
 
2021-09-15 5:20:55 PM  
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2021-09-15 5:29:35 PM  

SpectroBoy: Lambskincoat: Racism is fundamentally immoral, just like rape or murder. There are no "good" racists.

But where do you land on pineapple as a pizza topping?


Pineapple on pizza is racist.
 
2021-09-15 5:29:56 PM  

SpectroBoy: Lambskincoat: SpectroBoy: Lambskincoat: Racism is fundamentally immoral, just like rape or murder. There are no "good" racists.

But where do you land on pineapple as a pizza topping?

Like all religion, this one too can lead to bloodshed.

You are wise beyond your years.


You don't want bloodshed, don't put pineapple on my pizza.
 
2021-09-15 5:30:21 PM  

Arkanaut: SpectroBoy: Lambskincoat: Racism is fundamentally immoral, just like rape or murder. There are no "good" racists.

But where do you land on pineapple as a pizza topping?

Pineapple on pizza is racist.


More of a mental issue than racism.
 
2021-09-15 5:33:22 PM  
FTA: "Critical race theory is at odds with Christianity because it takes the problem of racism out of the individual heart and puts it out there somewhere in systems and structures."

So, after curing the sinful heart wouldn't they be interested in knowing how racist individuals have developed and affected the policies and practices of systems and structures?  Or do they believe individuals play no role in how systems operate?
 
2021-09-15 5:33:30 PM  
I mean ... I guess there are people who don't already know this shiat.

I can't imagine how many that could be, but I didn't think Ex-President Useless farkwad would get elected in 2016, so OK, fine.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2021/08/31/bethlehem-baptist-coddles-white-supremacy/

White evangelicals are defined by racism. That's the way it's always been. Their anti-abortion bullshiat was invented in the early 1980s to distract from their racism and it's been remarkably successful, mostly because of the cooperation of the "liberal" media which continues to pretend they aren't a racist institution (well, collection of institutions), created to enable and protect white supremacy. Their overwhelming approval of Ex-President Useless farkwad isn't a surprise or an aberration. It was extremely predictable. People who continue to be surprised that he got the votes of most "evangelicals" are either very very dumb or liars. There is no third possibility.
 
2021-09-15 5:40:44 PM  

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Is this the origin story of "Wabbit Season / Duck Season"?

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2021-09-15 5:46:25 PM  
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Hmm ... awfully swarthy there bro
 
2021-09-15 5:51:45 PM  
There is another....
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Gee, why wouldn't Israelites want these particular jews banned from living in their promised land...?

I guess we'll never know.
 
2021-09-15 5:55:12 PM  

Epoch_Zero: There is another....
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Gee, why wouldn't Israelites want these particular jews banned from living in their promised land...?

I guess we'll never know.


maybe it was the sunglasses
 
2021-09-15 6:00:01 PM  
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2021-09-15 6:05:36 PM  
FTA:  And in 2019 - before the anti-critical race theory movement gained widespread attention - the Southern Baptist Convention, the largest evangelical group in the U.S., passed a resolution criticizing the theory as a problematic secular ideology that conflicts with the authority of Scripture.

It's almost as if they've forgotten the role of the Southern Baptist Convention in creating structural racism...

Baptists and the Bible, Slavery and the Lost Cause: Inseparable Hermeneutics of Racism Furman University-

April 2018
Bill J. Leonard

Ante-bellum pro-slavery, its institutional and religious implications, remains a historical, indeed, continuing blight on Christian communions, particularly white Baptists, in the American South and beyond. Among other ethical miscarriages, the use of scripture to defend chattel slavery illustrates the way in which pro-slavery advocates used biblical texts to undergird a particular political and cultural practice, all the while claiming a public role as moral arbiters against a culture of worldliness and sin. Likewise, their support for slavery reflects the way in which a literalistic hermeneutic aided faith communities in linking biblical authority to a practice that contradicted the Christian gospel. In other words, pro-slavery religionists made support for slavery synonymous with Christian orthodoxy. Implicitly and explicitly, they suggested that if the Bible was wrong in sanctioning slavery, it might be untrustworthy on the nature of salvation itself. At the same time, many of the same Baptist college founders-Richard Furman (Furman University), Samuel Wait (Wake Forest), Thomas Meredith (Meredith College), and the 4 founding faculty of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary (originating on the Furman campus), were slaveholders. This brief lecture explores the relationship between scripture and racism, not simply in slavery time, but in the legacy of racist hermeneutics from slavery through Lost Cause mythology and Jim Crow segregation, all with implications for present controversies. Richard Furman's 1822 address is a case study in the hermeneutical principles that became the basis for a large corpus of work presenting "biblical defenses of slavery."

https://www.furman.edu/seeking-abraham-project/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2018/12/Leonard_speech.pdf

See also: Noah's Curse and the Southern Defense of Slavery  http://jsr.fsu.edu/honor.htm
And:
Southern Baptist Seminary Documents History of Racial Injustice
12.14.18

The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, the first and oldest institution of the nation's largest Protestant denomination, released a report this week documenting its history of support for slavery and white supremacy.
The seminary was founded in 1859 by slaveholding members of the Southern Baptist Convention, which broke away from northern Baptists in 1845 over its support for slavery.

https://eji.org/news/southern-baptist-seminary-documents-history-of-racial-injustice/

Hey, at least they finally got around to apologizing in 2018:  https://www.sbc.net/resource-library/resolutions/on-renouncing-the-doctrine-of-the-curse-of-ham-as-a-justification-for-racism/

So, it's all good now, right?
Right?
 
2021-09-15 6:09:45 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Slave masters used Christianity to defend their ownership of slaves. Trump AG Jeff Sessions loved to hold to that world view. It is alive and well today in the US.


And Abolitionism started off as a religious movement as well. In a world where almost everyone was religious moral ideas good and bad were defined religiously.
 
2021-09-15 6:16:45 PM  
Given the millions that christians have murdered over the last 2,000 years, racism is just one more thing.
 
2021-09-15 6:17:39 PM  
We must also note that the only significant opposition to eugenics came from the Catholic church. The Protestant communions were for it. The scientists were for it on the whole although they changed course earlier than most. Atheists certainly didn't unite in opposition. Jews, of course, argued with each other about it.

Only the Catholics held from the beginning that each person had the same irreducible human worth regardless of what value society placed on them.

They passed the test. The rest failed.
 
2021-09-15 6:22:44 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Religion hates.
Religion kills.
Religion is ignorance.
Fark Religion.


Why do you hate the Jews?
 
2021-09-15 6:26:48 PM  

HighOnCraic: Ante-bellum pro-slavery, its institutional and religious implications, remains a historical, indeed, continuing blight on Christian communions, particularly white Baptists,


And up until roughly the early 19th century Abolitionism wasn't a common thing much less a movement anywhere in the world. While Islam said it was meritorious charity to free a slave slavery was still natural and moral. Likewise in China, on the Subcontinent, in the Americas, Africa, and much of Europe.

We have the British to thank more than anyone else for eventually taking a fringe belief and turning it into a world-spanning ideology. And an awful lot of that was through religious groups.
 
2021-09-15 6:28:53 PM  
For more context:

Unholy Alliance: The History of the National Council of Churches
C. Gregg Singer

Professor Singer was a professional historian. With this book, he tossed an intellectual hand grenade into the headquarters of the National Council of Churches. The book's subtitle is accurate: The Definitive History of the National Council of Churches and Its Leftist Policies -- From 1908 to the Present. It was published in 1975.
The Establishment Left has always had multiple outlets for its views. These outlets also serve as mobilizing organizations.
For American Protestantism, the National Council of Churches (Federal Council of Churches prior to 1950), has been the primary representative organization of the American Establishment. The NCC has been overwhelmingly Leftist in its economic views ever since its beginning in 1908. Dr. Singer documents this fact in Unholy Alliance.

https://www.garynorth.com/UnholyAlliance.pdf

The book is a critique of mainstream Protestants (members of the NCC) from fundamentalists who believed that the NCC was evil for supporting civil rights.

The Council, however, did not content itself with declarations on segregation as a sin. It became active in the civil rights movement in the Truman era. In June 1947 the executive secretary of the Department of Race Relations testified before the Senate Committee on Labor and Public Welfare in behalf of the full-employment bill, then before Congress. In November the executive committee commended the report of President Truman's Committee on Civil Rights and urged the Council's constituent churches to give careful consideration to this report as being an expression of the Christian attitude on the race problem. 62

During 1948 the Council stoked its interest in the battle for human rights by intensifying its political action on the national and international levels. This was in response to the role assumed by the Truman administration in the growing controversy over segregation at home and to the interest of the United Nations leadership in the problem as an international issue.

[The book goes on to explain how this was very, very bad, the members of the NCC were not REAL Christians, and that the existing structural racism in America at the time was perfectly fine.]

In 1950 the executive committee issued its last message on race relations, but it had nothing new to say. It had all been said in many previous messages. This last statement, however, did give clear insight into the theology of the liberal leadership of the Council. The message is rooted in the traditional view of the social-gospel movement, to wit, that God is the Father of all men-Christians and unbelievers-and therefore all men are brothers. This liberal view ignored the divisive influence of original sin and the historic Christian insistence that there is a deep cleavage in humanity between the believer and the unbeliever, between the regenerate and the unregenerate. Their refusal to accept this biblical truth and include it within the framework of their social philosophy has doomed the liberals, secular and religious, to ultimate failure in their utopian quests. Their judicial and legal victories blinded them to the fact that they were destroying the fabric of the very Constitution they were using, that eventually their achievements would destroy constitutional government in our country, and that the ultimate result would be the death of the democracy they thought they were creating.
 
2021-09-15 6:34:36 PM  

thatboyoverthere: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Religion hates.
Religion kills.
Religion is ignorance.
Fark Religion.

Why do you hate the Jews?


It's the jealousy they have for the Jews being the only ones that God loves.
 
2021-09-15 6:38:21 PM  

johnphantom: thatboyoverthere: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Religion hates.
Religion kills.
Religion is ignorance.
Fark Religion.

Why do you hate the Jews?

It's the jealousy they have for the Jews being the only ones that God loves.


You can tell he loves them the most by how awesome they have done throughout history. So safe. So respected. Definitely the chosen ones.
 
2021-09-15 6:54:40 PM  
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2021-09-15 7:02:28 PM  

Gin Buddy: johnphantom: thatboyoverthere: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Religion hates.
Religion kills.
Religion is ignorance.
Fark Religion.

Why do you hate the Jews?

It's the jealousy they have for the Jews being the only ones that God loves.

You can tell he loves them the most by how awesome they have done throughout history. So safe. So respected. Definitely the chosen ones.


Yeah they are the only ones with a country devoted to them.
 
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