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(WFAA Fort Worth)   Disability rights advocacy group sues TX Gov Abbottoir, claiming his mask bans violate Federal ADA law, which BTW also guarantees the gov's right to move freely in public spaces in his wheelchair. Greg to declare the ADA is tyranny in 4...3..2   (wfaa.com) divider line
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4 days ago  
Yeah, that won't fly. Anyone can wear a mask anywhere they want.
 
4 days ago  
Gov Abbottoir

I love it!

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4 days ago  

OldRod: Gov Abbottoir

I love it!

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Wow I had to look that up, I'm not a clever man.   Subby is some sort of jib-cutting genius.
 
4 days ago  

feckingmorons: Yeah, that won't fly. Anyone can wear a mask anywhere they want.


roll
 
4 days ago  

Richard Freckle: Subby is some sort of jib-cutting genius.


Not my word.. I stole it from some other thread..

/subby
 
4 days ago  
The Republicans have been against the ADA for decades, this wouldn't be anything new.

The ADA is one area where the US is ahead of Europe socially. There are lots of important places in Europe you can't get to in a wheelchair.
 
4 days ago  

ArkPanda: The Republicans have been against the ADA for decades, this wouldn't be anything new.

The ADA is one area where the US is ahead of Europe socially. There are lots of important places in Europe you can't get to in a wheelchair.


Which is why is so pathetic that the US, under Trump, did not ratify their participation in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities.

First, the US is the main/lead author of it.  Second, an easy win and showing the world something you should be proud of.  I hope Biden ratifies it soon.
 
4 days ago  

Sin'sHero: feckingmorons: Yeah, that won't fly. Anyone can wear a mask anywhere they want.

roll


Tide!?!
 
4 days ago  
Save some work and get oh-so-close-to governor Elder to email his ADA dissolution Power Power stack.
 
4 days ago  
Well people of color in the Republican party constantly shill against their own self interests for people that hate them, along with women. It should come as no surprise that he'd come out against the ADA.

Republican's are terrible.
 
4 days ago  

ArkPanda: The Republicans have been against the ADA for decades, this wouldn't be anything new.

The ADA is one area where the US is ahead of Europe socially. There are lots of important places in Europe you can't get to in a wheelchair.


I'm guessing because the majority of those important places were built hundreds of years before the concept of disability rights hit society. In addition, those important places are also usually protected landmarks that prevent construction crews from simply tearing up the architecture to make room for wheelchair ramps and elevators.
 
4 days ago  

mrshowrules: Which is why is so pathetic that the US, under Trump, did not ratify their participation in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities.


Putting in ramps cost Trump money, so he hates it.
 
4 days ago  
I am all for mask mandates but I am failing to see how the ADA applies here.  If there is a kid that is allergic to my breath for some reason, they don't make me put a mask on.  They accommodate him by putting his desk behind a glass barrier OR using a laptop with a camera OR sitting in a ventilated space.  Heck, our school accommodates kids with peanut allergies by having special tables where nuts are not allowed.  PB&J is allowed at the other tables.
 
4 days ago  

sleze: I am all for mask mandates but I am failing to see how the ADA applies here.  If there is a kid that is allergic to my breath for some reason, they don't make me put a mask on.  They accommodate him by putting his desk behind a glass barrier OR using a laptop with a camera OR sitting in a ventilated space.  Heck, our school accommodates kids with peanut allergies by having special tables where nuts are not allowed.  PB&J is allowed at the other tables.


You can't catch allergies by breathing.
 
4 days ago  
Madison Cawthorn to introduce legislation gutting the ADA in 3...2...1...
 
4 days ago  
Also see Gov. Kim COVID in Iowa, where a Fed judge went there.
 
4 days ago  

sleze: I am all for mask mandates but I am failing to see how the ADA applies here.  If there is a kid that is allergic to my breath for some reason, they don't make me put a mask on.  They accommodate him by putting his desk behind a glass barrier OR using a laptop with a camera OR sitting in a ventilated space.  Heck, our school accommodates kids with peanut allergies by having special tables where nuts are not allowed.  PB&J is allowed at the other tables.


It is a bit of a stretch and I strongly suspect it will fail, but the ADA has been used for things like second hand smoke in the past. The employer mandating masks and/or vaccinations could easily be a reasonable accomodation.
 
4 days ago  
Well, when you created several billion laws some of them are going to be used against you eventually...
 
4 days ago  

LL316: mrshowrules: Which is why is so pathetic that the US, under Trump, did not ratify their participation in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities.

Putting in ramps cost Trump money, so he hates it.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politi​c​s/trump-asked-to-have-braille-removed-​from-elevators-in-early-1980s-executiv​e-says/2018/09/12/67d97548-b6a6-11e8-a​7b5-adaaa5b2a57f_story.html
 
4 days ago  

germ78: Madison Cawthorn to introduce legislation gutting the ADA in 3...2...1...


... and then some Dem junior staffers conveniently remove accessibility ramps in the capitol.
 
4 days ago  
FTFA: . "Those parents have children who are medically fragile and said they would opt out of in-person learning if masks were not universally required."

It's not hard to understand. Pushing ADA kids into online learning creates a "separate but equal" situation where those kids aren't going to get an equivalent education. "They argue that the ban on mask mandates discriminates against these particularly vulnerable students in education, effectively excluding them from public schools and denying them equal access to education. That is a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) and Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act." So the argument goes.
 
4 days ago  

feckingmorons: Yeah, that won't fly. Anyone can wear a mask anywhere they want.


And Abbottoir is free to crawl up the steps if they don't install a ramp.
 
4 days ago  

sleze: I am all for mask mandates but I am failing to see how the ADA applies here.  If there is a kid that is allergic to my breath for some reason, they don't make me put a mask on.  They accommodate him by putting his desk behind a glass barrier OR using a laptop with a camera OR sitting in a ventilated space. Heck, our school accommodates kids with peanut allergies by having special tables where nuts are not allowed.  PB&J is allowed at the other tables.


Regarding sitting someone behind a glass barrier: unless that barrier is enough to turn John Disability into another Bubble Boy, that will not prevent John from catching COVID. In fact, the most recent evidence suggests that all of these barriers may be making COVID transmission worse by inhibiting the airflow you talk about in your third proposal. This would not constitute a reasonable accommodation IMO.

Regarding making the student study fully remotely through a laptop and a camera, under most respects, this would potentially constitute a reasonable accommodation. I say "potentially" because I know full well a lot of school districts are refusing to allow this as an option. Additionally, some school districts that are permitting students to stay remote are making that offer with a proviso that any in-person supports the district offers, such as paraeducators or interpreters, are not available to the student if they go remote. If this were truly offered and the district provided the same kinds of support to an eligible student studying from home as one studying from the school, I'd call that a reasonable accommodation.

Regarding sitting in a ventilated space, there are only two such kinds of spaces that provably lower the risk of COVID: being outside, and being in an area where the airflow runs through a HEPA filter at least six times an hour. No school can permanently move all classes outside to accommodate this, especially not one in the northern part of the country where the temperature drops below freezing during the winter. Unless they're filthy stinking rich, no school has the money to improve their HVAC system to the standards I specified above. This would constitute a reasonable accommodation if it were practical to implement, which it really isn't.
 
4 days ago  

feckingmorons: Yeah, that won't fly. Anyone can wear a mask anywhere they want.


Great point. Everyone is free to NOT piss in the community swimming pool. If you get someone else's piss on you, that's just the price of freedumb.
 
4 days ago  

mrshowrules: Which is why is so pathetic that the US, under Trump, did not ratify their participation in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities.

First, the US is the main/lead author of it.  Second, an easy win and showing the world something you should be proud of.  I hope Biden ratifies it soon.


Proving that you have absolutely no clue on how the U.S. government is structured.
 
4 days ago  

lolmao500: Abbott deserves to be blind and deaf and in a wheelchair. And also have ass cancer.


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likes the cut of your jib.
 
4 days ago  

Alien Robot: mrshowrules: Which is why is so pathetic that the US, under Trump, did not ratify their participation in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities.

First, the US is the main/lead author of it.  Second, an easy win and showing the world something you should be proud of.  I hope Biden ratifies it soon.

Proving that you have absolutely no clue on how the U.S. government is structured.


The Senate has to pass it first but it is indeed ratified with Biden's signature.  Trump made it clear he would have vetoed it.
 
4 days ago  
We're going to end this pandemic. You can either roll with it, or get rolled over.
 
4 days ago  
I get jock itch. It's a medical condition. It's made worse by wearing pants in summer.

Yet, they threw me out of walmart when I tried to freeball it, again.
 
4 days ago  

Weatherkiss: ArkPanda: The Republicans have been against the ADA for decades, this wouldn't be anything new.

The ADA is one area where the US is ahead of Europe socially. There are lots of important places in Europe you can't get to in a wheelchair.

I'm guessing because the majority of those important places were built hundreds of years before the concept of disability rights hit society. In addition, those important places are also usually protected landmarks that prevent construction crews from simply tearing up the architecture to make room for wheelchair ramps and elevators.


True but I was thinking about things like Metro or Tube stations.
 
4 days ago  
Abbott personally suspects anyone in a wheelchair of being an immoral opportunist who wouldn't stop at killing his own grandparents or grandchildren because of the obvious rewards.
 
4 days ago  

Somacandra: feckingmorons: Yeah, that won't fly. Anyone can wear a mask anywhere they want.

Great point. Everyone is free to NOT piss in the community swimming pool. If you get someone else's piss on you, that's just the price of freedumb.


If we just order everyone to wear a swimsuit, no piss will get in the pool.  But it only works if everyone wars them.
 
4 days ago  

optikeye: I get jock itch. It's a medical condition. It's made worse by wearing pants in summer.

Yet, they threw me out of walmart when I tried to freeball it, again.


Since when was wearing no articles of clothing on the bottom half of your body a reasonable accommodation?
 
4 days ago  

Serious Black: optikeye: I get jock itch. It's a medical condition. It's made worse by wearing pants in summer.

Yet, they threw me out of walmart when I tried to freeball it, again.

Since when was wearing no articles of clothing on the bottom half of your body a reasonable accommodation?


I was making fun of the anti maskers saying they have a medical condition that prevents them from wearing a mask.
They usually say it's a slight rash.
And I got your rash right here.....grabs crotch...adds tinactin spray to shopping list.
 
4 days ago  

optikeye: Serious Black: optikeye: I get jock itch. It's a medical condition. It's made worse by wearing pants in summer.

Yet, they threw me out of walmart when I tried to freeball it, again.

Since when was wearing no articles of clothing on the bottom half of your body a reasonable accommodation?

I was making fun of the anti maskers saying they have a medical condition that prevents them from wearing a mask.
They usually say it's a slight rash.
And I got your rash right here.....grabs crotch...adds tinactin spray to shopping list.


Sorry. My sarcasm meter is temporarily broken.
 
4 days ago  

feckingmorons: Yeah, that won't fly. Anyone can wear a mask anywhere they want.


At first I thought disabled people were suing over being forced to wear a mask which would interfere with their breathing conditions.  But it wasn't that.

Then, maybe it's hearing problems suing that forcing others to be masked would keep them from reading lips.  Not that, either.

No, it's just another case of maskers trying to force everyone to mask up...forever, because they will always feel unsafe unless surrounded by the talisman which they know in their hearts has magical properties to lead them to everlasting life.  In masker logic, they are the real victims when they don't get to bully others.
 
4 days ago  

OrangeSnapper: feckingmorons: Yeah, that won't fly. Anyone can wear a mask anywhere they want.

At first I thought disabled people were suing over being forced to wear a mask which would interfere with their breathing conditions.  But it wasn't that.

Then, maybe it's hearing problems suing that forcing others to be masked would keep them from reading lips.  Not that, either.

No, it's just another case of maskers trying to force everyone to mask up...forever, because they will always feel unsafe unless surrounded by the talisman which they know in their hearts has magical properties to lead them to everlasting life.  In masker logic, they are the real victims when they don't get to bully others.


Question: how many precautions do you take on a daily basis to prevent yourself from catching smallpox? Or polio?

I hope you know that these are trick questions. Smallpox is extinct; the last known person to die from it passed in 1978, years before I was born. Polio is only found in the wild in two countries today: Afghanistan and Pakistan. Nobody in America does anything to prevent the spread of smallpox. Outside of childhood vaccinations, nobody in America does anything to prevent the spread of polio either.

As soon as COVID is not rampantly spreading throughout our communities, we will stop wearing masks and asking others to wear them with us.
 
4 days ago  

mrshowrules: LL316: mrshowrules: Which is why is so pathetic that the US, under Trump, did not ratify their participation in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities.

Putting in ramps cost Trump money, so he hates it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politic​s/trump-asked-to-have-braille-removed-​from-elevators-in-early-1980s-executiv​e-says/2018/09/12/67d97548-b6a6-11e8-a​7b5-adaaa5b2a57f_story.html


I had forgotten about that.  Jesus.
 
4 days ago  

Serious Black: Question: how many precautions do you take on a daily basis to prevent yourself from catching smallpox? Or polio?


When I worked for a University installing computers and hooking up PCR machines to Macs.
One of the Departments was "Geographic Medicine" who researched things like cholera, typhoid, malaria, and ebola. I'd go in the lab. (they had kinda a double door airlock thingy) but from there it was airflow hoods with the tech working on the samples all masked up.

I'd always bring some extra pens from work for them to sign off on the work order. Because inevitably they'd still have the glove on they where using under the hood and sign the form and hand back the pen.
"Oh...no, you keep that, good day"
 
4 days ago  
Imagine thinking "masker" was a thing.
 
4 days ago  

Somacandra: FTFA: . "Those parents have children who are medically fragile and said they would opt out of in-person learning if masks were not universally required."

It's not hard to understand. Pushing ADA kids into online learning creates a "separate but equal" situation where those kids aren't going to get an equivalent education. "They argue that the ban on mask mandates discriminates against these particularly vulnerable students in education, effectively excluding them from public schools and denying them equal access to education. That is a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) and Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act." So the argument goes.


It's not really hard to understand the case, but I think many Farkers move well past their actual degree of intelligence very often.
 
4 days ago  

NateAsbestos: Imagine thinking "masker" was a thing.


These people are fascist authoritarians. They know they would use forcing masks on people as a preliminary step to forcing worse things on a captive population. They have zero empathy, so they can't imagine that anyone else wouldn't do the same thing.
 
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