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2021-09-15 9:25:51 AM  
The electric market for trucks in the US is going to be huge. Rarely does a truck go more than 100 miles from home because most people who drive trucks use them as a daily commuter and only as a truck for trips to the Home Depot.

That said, I want an 8' bed electric truck.
 
2021-09-15 9:29:22 AM  
WANT.

Ever since I watched The Long Way Up, those Rivians just look sooo freaking cool to me.
 
2021-09-15 9:33:52 AM  

LoneCoon: The electric market for trucks in the US is going to be huge. Rarely does a truck go more than 100 miles from home because most people who drive trucks use them as a daily commuter and only as a truck for trips to the Home Depot.

That said, I want an 8' bed electric truck.


You'd think so, but people have convinced themselves that electric vehicles are unmanly.  Many pickup drivers are buying them to increase their manliness, not because they are the best fit for their lifestyle.
 
2021-09-15 9:38:13 AM  
I remain cautiously optomistic about this truck, but if it pans out, in 2.5 years when my Kona EV lease is up, this one may be on the top of the list.
 
2021-09-15 9:38:31 AM  
I'm pulling for the Alpha Wolf
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2021-09-15 9:41:44 AM  

EvilEgg: LoneCoon: The electric market for trucks in the US is going to be huge. Rarely does a truck go more than 100 miles from home because most people who drive trucks use them as a daily commuter and only as a truck for trips to the Home Depot.

That said, I want an 8' bed electric truck.

You'd think so, but people have convinced themselves that electric vehicles are unmanly.  Many pickup drivers are buying them to increase their manliness, not because they are the best fit for their lifestyle.


This. If it doesn't roll coal and rattle windows then how will they know pipi smol?
 
2021-09-15 9:45:32 AM  

cooldaddygroove: I'm pulling for the Alpha Wolf
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I love it. 8' bed. 2 doors. But it's only got a 3000lb towing capacity?

Dang. Too small for the horse trailer.
 
2021-09-15 9:50:21 AM  
Pathetic.  I bet if you threw a metal ball at the window, it would break!  I can't be seen in that.
 
2021-09-15 9:52:34 AM  

LoneCoon: cooldaddygroove: I'm pulling for the Alpha Wolf
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I love it. 8' bed. 2 doors. But it's only got a 3000lb towing capacity?

Dang. Too small for the horse trailer.


3000 pounds is very little. Towing will require IC engines for the time being as battery packs can't store as much energy as a tank of gas or diesel. Range will suffer greatly. I would love to have an electric truck save for this factor.
 
2021-09-15 9:54:03 AM  

LoneCoon: 3000lb towing capacity


yeah, the Lightning tows 10k.
 
2021-09-15 9:54:31 AM  
If it can go up hills on its own, we're making progress. This one even looks like a truck, and not some sci-fi fever dream.
 
2021-09-15 10:06:35 AM  

Phil McKraken: LoneCoon: cooldaddygroove: I'm pulling for the Alpha Wolf
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I love it. 8' bed. 2 doors. But it's only got a 3000lb towing capacity?

Dang. Too small for the horse trailer.

3000 pounds is very little. Towing will require IC engines for the time being as battery packs can't store as much energy as a tank of gas or diesel. Range will suffer greatly. I would love to have an electric truck save for this factor.


How about putting a large displacement diesel engine in it to turn a generator to provide power for the electric motors? Now your electric truck has all the torque it needs for pulling large loads. Problem solved!
 
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2021-09-15 10:07:06 AM  

Phil McKraken: LoneCoon: cooldaddygroove: I'm pulling for the Alpha Wolf
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I love it. 8' bed. 2 doors. But it's only got a 3000lb towing capacity?

Dang. Too small for the horse trailer.

3000 pounds is very little. Towing will require IC engines for the time being as battery packs can't store as much energy as a tank of gas or diesel. Range will suffer greatly. I would love to have an electric truck save for this factor.


I expect that if there's a real push to get off of gasoline and diesel for new vehicles, we're going to have to build-out hydrogen fuel stations and use fuel-cell electric vehicles for some large minority of vehicles.  There are simply too many applications where the mass-penalty of batteries is too great.  Fuel-cell EVs are not as efficient as Battery EVs, but as better methods to produce Hydrogen are implemented (ie, not taking it as a byproduct of refining oil!) then it becomes better for the environment than remaining with fossil fuels.

I could see three classes of vehicles.  BEVs for drivers that don't really ever leave a certain range and have a place to plug in on a regular basis, FCEVs for drivers that either have range anxiety and want their fuel to arrive in a fashion similar to what they're used to or they lack somewhere to consistently plug in, and hybrid BEV/FCEV vehicles with with say, 50 mile range on batteries that would suffice for the majority of their daily use, but where they could dramatically increase their range and easily refuel from stations if they need it.

For that last one, think of a Chevrolet Volt, but instead of a gasoline engine and petrol tank, an FCEV power generator and a hydrogen fuel cell.
 
2021-09-15 10:07:32 AM  

EvilEgg: LoneCoon: The electric market for trucks in the US is going to be huge. Rarely does a truck go more than 100 miles from home because most people who drive trucks use them as a daily commuter and only as a truck for trips to the Home Depot.

That said, I want an 8' bed electric truck.

You'd think so, but people have convinced themselves that electric vehicles are unmanly.  Many pickup drivers are buying them to increase their manliness, not because they are the best fit for their lifestyle.


Which will keep pre-owned prices low.
 
2021-09-15 10:09:12 AM  

LoneCoon: cooldaddygroove: I'm pulling for the Alpha Wolf
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I love it. 8' bed. 2 doors. But it's only got a 3000lb towing capacity?

Dang. Too small for the horse trailer.


I wonder if this would be a good time to develop a buddy-axle system to boost towing capabilities in general.
 
2021-09-15 10:14:40 AM  

dionysusaur: LoneCoon: cooldaddygroove: I'm pulling for the Alpha Wolf
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I love it. 8' bed. 2 doors. But it's only got a 3000lb towing capacity?

Dang. Too small for the horse trailer.

I wonder if this would be a good time to develop a buddy-axle system to boost towing capabilities in general.


Batteried trailers would help, since EVs don't want for torque.
 
2021-09-15 10:15:34 AM  

Dick Gozinya: Phil McKraken: LoneCoon: cooldaddygroove: I'm pulling for the Alpha Wolf
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I love it. 8' bed. 2 doors. But it's only got a 3000lb towing capacity?

Dang. Too small for the horse trailer.

3000 pounds is very little. Towing will require IC engines for the time being as battery packs can't store as much energy as a tank of gas or diesel. Range will suffer greatly. I would love to have an electric truck save for this factor.

How about putting a large displacement diesel engine in it to turn a generator to provide power for the electric motors? Now your electric truck has all the torque it needs for pulling large loads. Problem solved!


Username is quite a tease.
 
2021-09-15 10:16:39 AM  

LoneCoon: The electric market for trucks in the US is going to be huge. Rarely does a truck go more than 100 miles from home because most people who drive trucks use them as a daily commuter and only as a truck for trips to the Home Depot.

That said, I want an 8' bed electric truck.


Maybe for commercial fleets.

But real MEN want a HUGE pickup that can BLOW COAL and get EIGHT MILES TO THE GALLON, not some pansy green hippie mobile.
 
2021-09-15 10:19:59 AM  

LoneCoon: The electric market for trucks in the US is going to be huge. Rarely does a truck go more than 100 miles from home because most people who drive trucks use them as a daily commuter and only as a truck for trips to the Home Depot.

That said, I want an 8' bed electric truck.


The Canoo pickup looks interesting.  They have not delivered a single truck yet.  It comes in pickup or van.  The pickup has a 6' bed that extends to 8', and is 4' wide.  Their pricing looks competitive as well.  Rivan is absurdly expensive.
 
2021-09-15 10:20:26 AM  

Phil McKraken: Dick Gozinya: Phil McKraken: LoneCoon: cooldaddygroove: I'm pulling for the Alpha Wolf
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I love it. 8' bed. 2 doors. But it's only got a 3000lb towing capacity?

Dang. Too small for the horse trailer.

3000 pounds is very little. Towing will require IC engines for the time being as battery packs can't store as much energy as a tank of gas or diesel. Range will suffer greatly. I would love to have an electric truck save for this factor.

How about putting a large displacement diesel engine in it to turn a generator to provide power for the electric motors? Now your electric truck has all the torque it needs for pulling large loads. Problem solved!

Username is quite a tease.


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2021-09-15 10:38:16 AM  
B-B-But it doesn't have the retro-80s WTF? je ne sais quoi design of the Tesla Cybertruck!
Maybe jazz it up with a couple of stack pipes?
 
2021-09-15 10:42:08 AM  
Holy hell is that thing ever ugly.
 
2021-09-15 10:48:08 AM  

dionysusaur: LoneCoon: cooldaddygroove: I'm pulling for the Alpha Wolf
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I love it. 8' bed. 2 doors. But it's only got a 3000lb towing capacity?

Dang. Too small for the horse trailer.

I wonder if this would be a good time to develop a buddy-axle system to boost towing capabilities in general.


True, but I was thinking broader.  If my Corolla could safely pull a ski boat, I wouldn't need a 4th vehicle just for that occasional role.  Hmm.  A rental fleet of these could do a lot for the suburban landscape.
 
2021-09-15 10:49:59 AM  

cooldaddygroove: I'm pulling for the Alpha Wolf
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What a name. Does it come with Punisher and Three Percenter decals or is that an add on package?
 
2021-09-15 10:50:38 AM  

EatHam: LoneCoon: 3000lb towing capacity

yeah, the Lightning tows 10k.


Once
 
2021-09-15 10:55:28 AM  

LoneCoon: The electric market for trucks in the US is going to be huge. Rarely does a truck go more than 100 miles from home because most people who drive trucks use them as a daily commuter and only as a truck for trips to the Home Depot.

That said, I want an 8' bed electric truck.


Ya but they *might* have to one day haul an aircraft carrier across the US and how are you going to do that with a pansy-ass electric?

The twists of logic and potential situations the people that buy a pickup for a commuter do when a sedan would be far more cost effective are amazing. They know deep down this is a stupid decision, but they're going to say whatever it takes to themselves to feel like the truck is the only answer to their situation.
 
2021-09-15 11:15:42 AM  

SMB2811: LoneCoon: The electric market for trucks in the US is going to be huge. Rarely does a truck go more than 100 miles from home because most people who drive trucks use them as a daily commuter and only as a truck for trips to the Home Depot.

That said, I want an 8' bed electric truck.

Ya but they *might* have to one day haul an aircraft carrier across the US and how are you going to do that with a pansy-ass electric?

The twists of logic and potential situations the people that buy a pickup for a commuter do when a sedan would be far more cost effective are amazing. They know deep down this is a stupid decision, but they're going to say whatever it takes to themselves to feel like the truck is the only answer to their situation.


Yep, one of my brothers once wanted to buy an extended bed pickup because "I might move one day." Ok, what about the other 364 days of the year? Is it really a better deal to spend thousands more now than to rent a pickup for $20 a day when you actually need it?

He bought it, moved one mattress with it (the store offered free delivery, so no savings there), and never used the pickup bed again. When he did move, he ended up renting a uhaul box truck anyways.
 
2021-09-15 11:32:16 AM  
The Rivian I like, but it's out of my price range.

The Alpha Wolf if it's not vaporware would be affordable, but I'd kind of like an extended cab, not a quad cab, just a little space behind the seats.  Usually makes for better seat positioning options.
 
2021-09-15 12:01:26 PM  
The power outlets will be nice for contractors and glam campers who don't want to haul around a generator.
 
2021-09-15 12:08:12 PM  

Phil McKraken: LoneCoon: cooldaddygroove: I'm pulling for the Alpha Wolf
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I love it. 8' bed. 2 doors. But it's only got a 3000lb towing capacity?

Dang. Too small for the horse trailer.

3000 pounds is very little. Towing will require IC engines for the time being as battery packs can't store as much energy as a tank of gas or diesel. Range will suffer greatly. I would love to have an electric truck save for this factor.


Lordstown won't have that problem because they don't have gearboxes. The trucks need to come in at a good weight to get good mileage, but you're not going to be able to do that with a beefy gearbox like you could with internal combustion where it's just an afterthought.

Elaphe's motors are going to put everything less than an electric sports car to shame. There's nothing else in the EV space like them. The motors themselves weigh in about as much as a second brake rotor, that's it, replacing a gearbox weighing perhaps two or three times as much and being as efficient as the wheel bearings to boot.
 
2021-09-15 12:12:19 PM  

TWX: Phil McKraken: LoneCoon: cooldaddygroove: I'm pulling for the Alpha Wolf
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I love it. 8' bed. 2 doors. But it's only got a 3000lb towing capacity?

Dang. Too small for the horse trailer.

3000 pounds is very little. Towing will require IC engines for the time being as battery packs can't store as much energy as a tank of gas or diesel. Range will suffer greatly. I would love to have an electric truck save for this factor.

I expect that if there's a real push to get off of gasoline and diesel for new vehicles, we're going to have to build-out hydrogen fuel stations and use fuel-cell electric vehicles for some large minority of vehicles.  There are simply too many applications where the mass-penalty of batteries is too great.  Fuel-cell EVs are not as efficient as Battery EVs, but as better methods to produce Hydrogen are implemented (ie, not taking it as a byproduct of refining oil!) then it becomes better for the environment than remaining with fossil fuels.

I could see three classes of vehicles.  BEVs for drivers that don't really ever leave a certain range and have a place to plug in on a regular basis, FCEVs for drivers that either have range anxiety and want their fuel to arrive in a fashion similar to what they're used to or they lack somewhere to consistently plug in, and hybrid BEV/FCEV vehicles with with say, 50 mile range on batteries that would suffice for the majority of their daily use, but where they could dramatically increase their range and easily refuel from stations if they need it.

For that last one, think of a Chevrolet Volt, but instead of a gasoline engine and petrol tank, an FCEV power generator and a hydrogen fuel cell.


You tell funny jokes, friend. Steam reformation uses natural gas. Last I checked that was a petroleum byproduct. Hydrogen has so few pros and so many cons it would be taking a giant step backward for that becoming a standard before EV's. It's got nothing going for it except scamming the rubes.
 
2021-09-15 12:20:24 PM  

Stibium: TWX: Phil McKraken: LoneCoon: cooldaddygroove: I'm pulling for the Alpha Wolf
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I love it. 8' bed. 2 doors. But it's only got a 3000lb towing capacity?

Dang. Too small for the horse trailer.

3000 pounds is very little. Towing will require IC engines for the time being as battery packs can't store as much energy as a tank of gas or diesel. Range will suffer greatly. I would love to have an electric truck save for this factor.

I expect that if there's a real push to get off of gasoline and diesel for new vehicles, we're going to have to build-out hydrogen fuel stations and use fuel-cell electric vehicles for some large minority of vehicles.  There are simply too many applications where the mass-penalty of batteries is too great.  Fuel-cell EVs are not as efficient as Battery EVs, but as better methods to produce Hydrogen are implemented (ie, not taking it as a byproduct of refining oil!) then it becomes better for the environment than remaining with fossil fuels.

I could see three classes of vehicles.  BEVs for drivers that don't really ever leave a certain range and have a place to plug in on a regular basis, FCEVs for drivers that either have range anxiety and want their fuel to arrive in a fashion similar to what they're used to or they lack somewhere to consistently plug in, and hybrid BEV/FCEV vehicles with with say, 50 mile range on batteries that would suffice for the majority of their daily use, but where they could dramatically increase their range and easily refuel from stations if they need it.

For that last one, think of a Chevrolet Volt, but instead of a gasoline engine and petrol tank, an FCEV power generator and a hydrogen fuel cell.

You tell funny jokes, friend. Steam reformation uses natural gas. Last I checked that was a petroleum byproduct. Hydrogen has so few pros and so many cons it would be taking a giant step backward for that becoming a standard before EV's. It's got nothing going for it except scamming the rubes.


I suspect that hydrogen fuel cells will never be anything other than a small niche in the transportation sector due to the high containment demands (and thus costs) the fuel has when compressed.  Quite likely fuel cells won't take off until ammonia (NH3) or methane (CH4) compatible versions are commercialized.
 
2021-09-15 12:21:05 PM  

EvilEgg: LoneCoon: The electric market for trucks in the US is going to be huge. Rarely does a truck go more than 100 miles from home because most people who drive trucks use them as a daily commuter and only as a truck for trips to the Home Depot.

That said, I want an 8' bed electric truck.

You'd think so, but people have convinced themselves that electric vehicles are unmanly.  Many pickup drivers are buying them to increase their manliness, not because they are the best fit for their lifestyle.


Thing has something like 829lbft of torque.  I'm sure there will be plenty of "that's not real torque" because reasons (like, they start at 0 unlike ICE engines which aren't going to produce much torque below 1000rpm).

Wouldn't be surprised if the range (and most later trucks) is specifically designed around the Davis Grade climb.  Sure, it is only 11+ miles, but the 12% incline (plus whatever you are towing) and temperature will require a huge multiple over the original 11 mile calculation.

Of course, the e-truck industry has two huge problems.  First, the more mass the higher your motor and battery costs (although batteries are making exponential strides), while big-ass gas engines are barely more expensive than small-ass engines (of the same efficiency), especially if they have the same number of cylinders (i.e. same number of parts to manufacture and assemble).
 
2021-09-15 12:28:15 PM  

Stibium: TWX: Phil McKraken: LoneCoon: cooldaddygroove: I'm pulling for the Alpha Wolf
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I love it. 8' bed. 2 doors. But it's only got a 3000lb towing capacity?

Dang. Too small for the horse trailer.

3000 pounds is very little. Towing will require IC engines for the time being as battery packs can't store as much energy as a tank of gas or diesel. Range will suffer greatly. I would love to have an electric truck save for this factor.

I expect that if there's a real push to get off of gasoline and diesel for new vehicles, we're going to have to build-out hydrogen fuel stations and use fuel-cell electric vehicles for some large minority of vehicles.  There are simply too many applications where the mass-penalty of batteries is too great.  Fuel-cell EVs are not as efficient as Battery EVs, but as better methods to produce Hydrogen are implemented (ie, not taking it as a byproduct of refining oil!) then it becomes better for the environment than remaining with fossil fuels.

I could see three classes of vehicles.  BEVs for drivers that don't really ever leave a certain range and have a place to plug in on a regular basis, FCEVs for drivers that either have range anxiety and want their fuel to arrive in a fashion similar to what they're used to or they lack somewhere to consistently plug in, and hybrid BEV/FCEV vehicles with with say, 50 mile range on batteries that would suffice for the majority of their daily use, but where they could dramatically increase their range and easily refuel from stations if they need it.

For that last one, think of a Chevrolet Volt, but instead of a gasoline engine and petrol tank, an FCEV power generator and a hydrogen fuel cell.

You tell funny jokes, friend. Steam reformation uses natural gas. Last I checked that was a petroleum byproduct. Hydrogen has so few pros and so many cons it would be taking a giant step backward for that becoming a standard before EV's. It's got nothing going for it except scamming the rubes.


Toyota is still mainly in the hydrogen camp and is selling/leasing cars powered by such to the general public in California.  Not sure why.
 
2021-09-15 12:30:00 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: cooldaddygroove: I'm pulling for the Alpha Wolf
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What a name. Does it come with Punisher and Three Percenter decals or is that an add on package?


Yes - just check off the T45 Wolverine package on your order sheet.
 
2021-09-15 12:30:36 PM  
I'm thinking about tossing in a preorder for either the R1S or R1T.

I was thinking about getting the Model Y but found the seats uncomfortable and thought it was just a little too small. The Model X is good but hangs out at around $100K.

Then the CyberTruck has been delayed to likely 2023 (I put a preorder in when it was announced). So that leaves the Rivian (if the preorders aren't backed up until 2023).

With Rivian I could put the preorder deposit down which is supposed to be refundable if I change my mind.
 
2021-09-15 12:38:27 PM  

Dinjiin: I suspect that hydrogen fuel cells will never be anything other than a small niche in the transportation sector due to the high containment demands (and thus costs) the fuel has when compressed. Quite likely fuel cells won't take off until ammonia (NH3) or methane (CH4) compatible versions are commercialized.


Likewise. The fuel cells are going to be absurdly expensive, well beyond what they are now as long as they use platinum, and the performance is pretty pathetic for a terrestrial land vehicle. It's the worst of all worlds. It's already bad enough that we let the lowest common denominator operate a fuel pump, just imagine how it's going to be with a 10,000 psi hydrogen hose!

Ammonia and methane are the way forward with hydrogen. They are more energy-dense, can be liquefied, and won't rot your tank at the atomic level. And you can burn them in conventional engines with some tweaking. Hydrogen should be thought of as a stepping-stone base material to build more complex hydrocarbons, it works exceptionally well at that. Produce the fuel gas at the point of steam reformation, duh. Burning it directly is foolish, it's smarter to let a factory do what it's best at doing and that's making liquid fuels for vehicular transport. At least that's the case for blue hydrogen.

Green hydrogen wise, none of this matters. It's oxygen-neutral and the base electricity to produce the hydrogen is cheap. If anything it will increase the oxygen content of the atmosphere over time as any molecular hydrogen is subject to waste. But between here and now we ought to work on synthetic materials production from base hydrogen and forget about blue hydrogen completely as a fuel. It's just holding us back.
 
2021-09-15 12:56:26 PM  

Geotpf: Toyota is still mainly in the hydrogen camp and is selling/leasing cars powered by such to the general public in California. Not sure why.


Cali is the only place where hydrogen refueling infrastructure is at least a blip on the screen. Toyota did come up with a good storage solution and they are selling that margin to anyone who wants hydrogen right this second. Palladium-based storage works, but it's ridiculously expensive considering the metal is 1/3 more expensive than gold. The margin on the fuel tank alone is a huge win for Toyota.

/Murai is the halo
//It's there to sell more Priuses
///because Toyota is seen as being so environmentally conscious...
 
2021-09-15 1:12:11 PM  

Stibium: Dinjiin: I suspect that hydrogen fuel cells will never be anything other than a small niche in the transportation sector due to the high containment demands (and thus costs) the fuel has when compressed. Quite likely fuel cells won't take off until ammonia (NH3) or methane (CH4) compatible versions are commercialized.

Likewise. The fuel cells are going to be absurdly expensive, well beyond what they are now as long as they use platinum, and the performance is pretty pathetic for a terrestrial land vehicle. It's the worst of all worlds. It's already bad enough that we let the lowest common denominator operate a fuel pump, just imagine how it's going to be with a 10,000 psi hydrogen hose!

Ammonia and methane are the way forward with hydrogen. They are more energy-dense, can be liquefied, and won't rot your tank at the atomic level. And you can burn them in conventional engines with some tweaking. Hydrogen should be thought of as a stepping-stone base material to build more complex hydrocarbons, it works exceptionally well at that. Produce the fuel gas at the point of steam reformation, duh. Burning it directly is foolish, it's smarter to let a factory do what it's best at doing and that's making liquid fuels for vehicular transport. At least that's the case for blue hydrogen.

Green hydrogen wise, none of this matters. It's oxygen-neutral and the base electricity to produce the hydrogen is cheap. If anything it will increase the oxygen content of the atmosphere over time as any molecular hydrogen is subject to waste. But between here and now we ought to work on synthetic materials production from base hydrogen and forget about blue hydrogen completely as a fuel. It's just holding us back.


I've heard 'Blue Hydrogen' several times in the last month. Big Oil & Gas has started their 'blue washing'.
 
2021-09-15 1:18:51 PM  

Driedsponge: I remain cautiously optomistic about this truck, but if it pans out, in 2.5 years when my Kona EV lease is up, this one may be on the top of the list.


I can haz your Kona?

/actually looking at that for my next vehicle
 
2021-09-15 1:28:04 PM  
That's great and all but...

America's First Full-Size Electric Truck | 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning EV Pickup!
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2021-09-15 1:37:32 PM  
I don't know what is wrong with the Rivian and that pathetic towing rating. My farking minivan can tow more. Pathetic.

As to comments about torque - NOTHING brings the torque like electric motors. The Rivian r1t can scoot up to 60 mph in less than 4 seconds thanks to 826'/# of torque. I don't know what is going on with the towing rating. The F-150 Lightning can tow 10k pounds with slightly less than 800'/# of torque. Seriously, I don't know what is up with the Rivian, it should be able to tow 11k.

/in 5 years when the last kid graduates - electric truck and moderate trailer off into the great wide open
//it probably won't be a Rivian due to their Bentley pricing
 
2021-09-15 1:43:29 PM  

madgonad: I don't know what is wrong with the Rivian and that pathetic towing rating. My farking minivan can tow more. Pathetic.

As to comments about torque - NOTHING brings the torque like electric motors. The Rivian r1t can scoot up to 60 mph in less than 4 seconds thanks to 826'/# of torque. I don't know what is going on with the towing rating. The F-150 Lightning can tow 10k pounds with slightly less than 800'/# of torque. Seriously, I don't know what is up with the Rivian, it should be able to tow 11k.

/in 5 years when the last kid graduates - electric truck and moderate trailer off into the great wide open
//it probably won't be a Rivian due to their Bentley pricing


The Rivian can tow 11k.  The pathetic tow rating was for the Alpha Wolf mentioned above, which looks to be set up for off roading, not towing.
 
2021-09-15 2:03:24 PM  

LoneCoon: dionysusaur: LoneCoon: cooldaddygroove: I'm pulling for the Alpha Wolf
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I love it. 8' bed. 2 doors. But it's only got a 3000lb towing capacity?

Dang. Too small for the horse trailer.

I wonder if this would be a good time to develop a buddy-axle system to boost towing capabilities in general.

Batteried trailers would help, since EVs don't want for torque.


There just might be a market for converting trailers. Certainly the RV market would jump on it.  No more noisy generator.
 
2021-09-15 2:45:17 PM  

EvilEgg: LoneCoon: The electric market for trucks in the US is going to be huge. Rarely does a truck go more than 100 miles from home because most people who drive trucks use them as a daily commuter and only as a truck for trips to the Home Depot.

That said, I want an 8' bed electric truck.

You'd think so, but people have convinced themselves that electric vehicles are unmanly.  Many pickup drivers are buying them to increase their manliness, not because they are the best fit for their lifestyle.



700+ fl/lbs of torque seems fairly manly.  Not sure if that was the ford or rivian,
 
2021-09-15 2:45:32 PM  

madgonad: As to comments about torque - NOTHING brings the torque like electric motors.


In hybrid vehicles, that instantaneous torque from the electric engine is great for providing power before the combustion engine has a chance to spin up to its power band.  IIRC, some hybrid CV transmissions even omit the torque converter if the electric engine is powerful enough to carry the load to that point without a noticeable drop in power (vs a conventional setup).

Also, while all-electric trucks have their benefits, I'm most interested in a plug-in hybrid that offers the best of both worlds until batteries progress a bit more.  Tons of torque, charge at home, great towing capacity, and the ability to quickly refuel at a regular gas station if need be.
 
2021-09-15 2:57:37 PM  
I like the Rivians after Long Way Up, of course, but I kinda love the Bollinger "trucks":
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2021-09-15 3:03:43 PM  
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Aren't those supposed to line up, or is this an homage to the K-Car?
 
2021-09-15 3:04:48 PM  

Dinjiin: Also, while all-electric trucks have their benefits, I'm most interested in a plug-in hybrid that offers the best of both worlds until batteries progress a bit more.  Tons of torque, charge at home, great towing capacity, and the ability to quickly refuel at a regular gas station if need be.


Yeah, hybrids aren't great for trucks. Giant battery AND giant engine? Maybe something like the Chevy Volt could work (4 cylinder generator that kicks on to charge the battery when it gets under 2/3 full). Half-ton trucks need to have all the power all the time so a hybrid system is clunky. 200hp of ICE and 200hp of battery won't work when you are towing a 7k pound trailer all day. You always need that 400 combined.

Battery tech is really on the upswing. In five years battery packs will be smaller, stronger, and cheaper. We are at the stage in which batteries are similar to ICE for trucks. In five years batteries will be in the lead. Let's all hope the infrastructure can keep up.
 
2021-09-15 3:06:39 PM  

Schlubbe: Aren't those supposed to line up, or is this an homage to the K-Car?


I don't think the hood is a real misalignment, but it sure looks like the rear door is almost a centimeter off.
 
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