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4 days ago  
We don't need no vaccinations....
 
4 days ago  
We knew this would happen.

Delta is as contagious as Chicken Pox. We KNOW how fast that spreads. Opening schools was going to cause this. Masks help, but elementary schools are crowded places. I have mixed feelings about middle/high schoolers that AREN'T vaccinated and bring death home to mom, dad, and the grandparents.
 
4 days ago  

madgonad: We knew this would happen.

Delta is as contagious as Chicken Pox. We KNOW how fast that spreads. Opening schools was going to cause this.


We don't know how much of it is within-school transmission.  In our county, which does real contact tracing, few of the cases among children have been linked to that.  Delta is surging everywhere throughout the entire population, and kids are going to pick it up from that, schools or not.
 
4 days ago  
Hey morons, how's that "we don't need precautions in schools because kids don't get Covid" thing working out?

Who am I kidding? They probably think liberals are deliberately infecting kids to continue the Big Government Interference in people's lives.
 
4 days ago  
I was assured by someone who talked very loud while wearing an American flag shirt that children can't get COVID.  This has to be fake news.
 
Juc
4 days ago  
Well pretty much everybody with kids knows that they're irredeemable germ factories.
Kids having a much milder case of covid doesn't mean they won't spread it, just look at any bloody cold or flu that goes around.

I'm not really looking forward to schools getting closed again though. It's pretty hard to work from home and keep one's kid on task at the same time.
 
4 days ago  

Ambitwistor: madgonad: We knew this would happen.

Delta is as contagious as Chicken Pox. We KNOW how fast that spreads. Opening schools was going to cause this.

We don't know how much of it is within-school transmission.  In our county, which does real contact tracing, few of the cases among children have been linked to that.  Delta is surging everywhere throughout the entire population, and kids are going to pick it up from that, schools or not.


In the general population you have ~50% vax rates (higher in sane places) and much less contact.  Schools (gods help the preteens) don't have that, and kids are much closer together.  Put them together with delta and they all get it.

Picture from a local reddit complaining about this (if you didn't vax after your first day, expect to find out soon.  If you did, you might want to play hooky for two weeks):

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4 days ago  

yet_another_wumpus: Picture from a local reddit complaining about this


All those teens can get vaccinated.

The real viral swamp is in elementary schools.
 
4 days ago  

malle-herbert: We don't need no vaccinations....


♪♫ We don' need no | vac-cin-a-tions. | | ♫♪
♫♪ We don' need no | shots at all. | | ♪♫
♪♫ Ram- | -pant con-ta-gion | in the class-room. | | ♫♪
♫♪ COV-ID¹, leave those | kids a-lone. | | ♪♫
♪♫ | | Hey! | COV-ID¹! Leave those kids a-|-lone. | | ♫♪
♫♪ All-in-all, we're just a-|-noth-er prick fan of | Wohl. | | ♪♫
♪♫ All-in-all, we're just a-|-noth-er prick fan of | Wohl. | | ♫♪
 
4 days ago  
Oops, forgot to add the footnote:

___________________________
¹ I thought "Nur-ses" would work better there, but decided to work in Subby's headline.
 
4 days ago  
Kids are not bricks in the wall.
 
4 days ago  

madgonad: We knew this would happen.

Delta is as contagious as Chicken Pox. We KNOW how fast that spreads. Opening schools was going to cause this. Masks help, but elementary schools are crowded places. I have mixed feelings about middle/high schoolers that AREN'T vaccinated and bring death home to mom, dad, and the grandparents.


San Francisco schools have been open for weeks now with no cases of in-school transmission. It's almost like even mild precautions (All students and staff masked, vaccines for those eligible, ventilation and eating lunch outdoors) work.
 
4 days ago  

wax_on: madgonad: We knew this would happen.

Delta is as contagious as Chicken Pox. We KNOW how fast that spreads. Opening schools was going to cause this. Masks help, but elementary schools are crowded places. I have mixed feelings about middle/high schoolers that AREN'T vaccinated and bring death home to mom, dad, and the grandparents.

San Francisco schools have been open for weeks now with no cases of in-school transmission. It's almost like even mild precautions (All students and staff masked, vaccines for those eligible, ventilation and eating lunch outdoors) work.


Our school district opened with a mask mandate and we also haven't yet had an outbreak.  I'm sure that one or two of the schools will eventually have one and require some of the kids to quarantine but so far so good.

Then there is the story of my sister's family in North Carolina - no mask mandates, half the kids had no masks, both her children (separate schools) were in quarantine by the end of the first week.  Both should be back by Monday but the schools still don't have a mandate.
 
4 days ago  

yet_another_wumpus: Ambitwistor: madgonad: We knew this would happen.

Delta is as contagious as Chicken Pox. We KNOW how fast that spreads. Opening schools was going to cause this.

We don't know how much of it is within-school transmission.  In our county, which does real contact tracing, few of the cases among children have been linked to that.  Delta is surging everywhere throughout the entire population, and kids are going to pick it up from that, schools or not.

In the general population you have ~50% vax rates (higher in sane places) and much less contact.  Schools (gods help the preteens) don't have that, and kids are much closer together.  Put them together with delta and they all get it.


Yes, that's a good hypothesis, but again, the question is, is it actually correct?  Cases amongst unvaccinated children can go up due to in-school transmission, or through the ordinary community transmission that is responsible for the Delta spike in the first place, and at least in some places, contact tracing finds community transmission, not in-school transmission, as the main source.
 
4 days ago  
Our kid's school had a terrible plan: We'll wait until it gets pretty bad and then make the elementary kids mask up. We'll wait until it's REALLY bad and make the high school kids mask up. The incidence levels to trigger it were 200/100k for 5 days in a row for elementary and 250/100k 5 days in a row for high school.

Two weeks is all it took to blow through their chosen points. We're at 300/100k now and still rising. Maybe they should have just gone ahead and started the year with masks and it might have stayed down? I guess we'll never know.
 
4 days ago  

wax_on: madgonad: We knew this would happen.

Delta is as contagious as Chicken Pox. We KNOW how fast that spreads. Opening schools was going to cause this. Masks help, but elementary schools are crowded places. I have mixed feelings about middle/high schoolers that AREN'T vaccinated and bring death home to mom, dad, and the grandparents.

San Francisco schools have been open for weeks now with no cases of in-school transmission. It's almost like even mild precautions (All students and staff masked, vaccines for those eligible, ventilation and eating lunch outdoors) work.


Yeah, I was glad the PA gov mandated masks just before the school year started.  I think our district was going that route anyway, but it's nice it went statewide.  Our schools handled it well when they fully opened up this past spring, so I'm knocking on wood they'll stay the course through this year.

I only skimmed the article, but shouldn't it be expected that the overall percentage of all covid cases being children go up?  I would expect that to continue until vaccinations are available for those under 12.
 
4 days ago  

madgonad: We knew this would happen.

Delta is as contagious as Chicken Pox. We KNOW how fast that spreads. Opening schools was going to cause this. Masks help, but elementary schools are crowded places. I have mixed feelings about middle/high schoolers that AREN'T vaccinated and bring death home to mom, dad, and the grandparents.


No it isn't.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsand​s​oda/2021/08/11/1026190062/covid-delta-​variant-transmission-cdc-chickenpox
 
4 days ago  
"bUt KiDs DoN't GeT cOvId" -

Signed, Mouthbreathers from 12 months ago
 
4 days ago  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: wax_on: madgonad: We knew this would happen.

Delta is as contagious as Chicken Pox. We KNOW how fast that spreads. Opening schools was going to cause this. Masks help, but elementary schools are crowded places. I have mixed feelings about middle/high schoolers that AREN'T vaccinated and bring death home to mom, dad, and the grandparents.

San Francisco schools have been open for weeks now with no cases of in-school transmission. It's almost like even mild precautions (All students and staff masked, vaccines for those eligible, ventilation and eating lunch outdoors) work.

Yeah, I was glad the PA gov mandated masks just before the school year started.  I think our district was going that route anyway, but it's nice it went statewide.  Our schools handled it well when they fully opened up this past spring, so I'm knocking on wood they'll stay the course through this year.

I only skimmed the article, but shouldn't it be expected that the overall percentage of all covid cases being children go up?  I would expect that to continue until vaccinations are available for those under 12.


It is expected.  Doesn't mean it won't be exploited.

Oh, and COVID cases and deaths started dropping a month ago.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-track​er/#demographicsovertime
 
4 days ago  

dittybopper: madgonad: We knew this would happen.

Delta is as contagious as Chicken Pox. We KNOW how fast that spreads. Opening schools was going to cause this. Masks help, but elementary schools are crowded places. I have mixed feelings about middle/high schoolers that AREN'T vaccinated and bring death home to mom, dad, and the grandparents.

No it isn't.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsands​oda/2021/08/11/1026190062/covid-delta-​variant-transmission-cdc-chickenpox


Yea, it just turns out that chicken pox was much more contagious than previously thought...
 
4 days ago  

lolmao500: 500 000 children covid cases in two weeks... I wonder how many will be dead in 2-3 weeks. 10 000? More?


you're probably high by a couple of orders of magnitude, but we'll see
 
4 days ago  

dittybopper: madgonad: We knew this would happen.

Delta is as contagious as Chicken Pox. We KNOW how fast that spreads. Opening schools was going to cause this. Masks help, but elementary schools are crowded places. I have mixed feelings about middle/high schoolers that AREN'T vaccinated and bring death home to mom, dad, and the grandparents.

No it isn't.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsands​oda/2021/08/11/1026190062/covid-delta-​variant-transmission-cdc-chickenpox


R0of 6-7 vs 9-10.  Considering normal Flu is 2, and Measles is frikken 18
I'd say the two are at least comparable, ballpark wise.

At least, the Delta variant, the earlier spinoffs weren't nearly as bad, ranging between 3-5 depending on the variant.  But it has gotten progressively more transmissible over time.  It's not outside of reason that future variants of interest/concern will absolutely surpass chicken pox for R0
 
3 days ago  

makerofbadjokes: At least, the Delta variant, the earlier spinoffs weren't nearly as bad, ranging between 3-5 depending on the variant.  But it has gotten progressively more transmissible over time.  It's not outside of reason that future variants of interest/concern will absolutely surpass chicken pox for R0


I would also note that Delta is spreading that fast at a time that a lot of people are wearing masks and social distancing. Who knows what Delta's real R0 value would be if we were completely business as usual.
 
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