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2021-09-15 10:14:36 AM  
Just in time to fight the post-Brexit Kipper Wars.
 
2021-09-15 10:32:13 AM  
Spitfires are gorgeous planes!
 
2021-09-15 10:39:54 AM  
One of the most beautiful planes ever made...it soared in so many ways. 
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2021-09-15 10:40:38 AM  
We have a Spit flying over our way several times a day at weekends, usually accompanied by a helicopter which you can hire to sit in, while the plane flies around you and you take pictures/video. You can hear the Merlins coming from miles away
 
2021-09-15 10:48:02 AM  

Stantz: We have a Spit flying over our way several times a day at weekends, usually accompanied by a helicopter which you can hire to sit in, while the plane flies around you and you take pictures/video. You can hear the Merlins coming from miles away


You're a lucky man. That is a beautiful sound and maybe the most beautiful plane ever built.
 
2021-09-15 10:50:32 AM  
Spitfire flies LOW over TV presenter
Youtube brd44OS0Ueo
 
2021-09-15 11:03:49 AM  

cocozilla: One of the most beautiful planes ever made...it soared in so many ways. [Fark user image 850x531]


The Spitfire is great but its importance in the BoB is wildly exaggerated and there are plenty of air-worthy Spitfires already.   Let me know when they rebuild one of these...

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2021-09-15 11:15:57 AM  

tom baker's scarf: cocozilla: One of the most beautiful planes ever made...it soared in so many ways. [Fark user image 850x531]

The Spitfire is great but its importance in the BoB is wildly exaggerated and there are plenty of air-worthy Spitfires already.   Let me know when they rebuild one of these...

[historynet.com image 850x340]


There's a Canadian one that is flying, I've never seen it, but I know its up there. And my pick for the prettiest plane of the war is hands down this...
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2021-09-15 12:04:54 PM  
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And let's not let the Americans think they don't do this crap too.

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2021-09-15 12:30:54 PM  

tom baker's scarf: cocozilla: One of the most beautiful planes ever made...it soared in so many ways. [Fark user image 850x531]

The Spitfire is great but its importance in the BoB is wildly exaggerated and there are plenty of air-worthy Spitfires already.   Let me know when they rebuild one of these...

[historynet.com image 850x340]


That is indeed another one of the most beautiful planes that was ever built..(and probably the last thing Yamamoto ever saw)
 
2021-09-15 1:11:06 PM  

cocozilla: tom baker's scarf: cocozilla: One of the most beautiful planes ever made...it soared in so many ways. [Fark user image 850x531]

The Spitfire is great but its importance in the BoB is wildly exaggerated and there are plenty of air-worthy Spitfires already.   Let me know when they rebuild one of these...

[historynet.com image 850x340]

That is indeed another one of the most beautiful planes that was ever built..(and probably the last thing Yamamoto ever saw)


i love multipurpose tools that actually work well and the Mosquito might be the best example.  You need long range bomber escort, sure.  you want something fast with range that can get in and out by itself to do marking for the bombers, its got you.  you want precision ground attack, it loves it.  you need to strafe the fark out of a railyard or attack subs, yep. would you like to go crazy fast and still be able to take multiple should-be crippling hits ans still land at your home base, all day every day. hey metal is scarce, how bout if we build it out of wood, awesome. and on and on and on.
 
2021-09-15 1:12:50 PM  

tom baker's scarf: cocozilla: tom baker's scarf: cocozilla: One of the most beautiful planes ever made...it soared in so many ways. [Fark user image 850x531]

The Spitfire is great but its importance in the BoB is wildly exaggerated and there are plenty of air-worthy Spitfires already.   Let me know when they rebuild one of these...

[historynet.com image 850x340]

That is indeed another one of the most beautiful planes that was ever built..(and probably the last thing Yamamoto ever saw)

i love multipurpose tools that actually work well and the Mosquito might be the best example.  You need long range bomber escort, sure.  you want something fast with range that can get in and out by itself to do marking for the bombers, its got you.  you want precision ground attack, it loves it.  you need to strafe the fark out of a railyard or attack subs, yep. would you like to go crazy fast and still be able to take multiple should-be crippling hits ans still land at your home base, all day every day. hey metal is scarce, how bout if we build it out of wood, awesome. and on and on and on.


Indeed. And apologies, when I first glanced at it I was looking on my phone and I thought it was a lightning...but the mosquito was an absolutely superlative multi-use plane
 
2021-09-15 1:29:54 PM  

Myk-House of El: [Fark user image image 660x930]

And let's not let the Americans think they don't do this crap too.

[Fark user image image 850x447]


I had that same Spitfire in that same color.

Well, close to it.  Mine was a Mark IV, and the color had some sun fading, because Hawaii.
 
2021-09-15 1:30:19 PM  

cocozilla: tom baker's scarf: cocozilla: tom baker's scarf: cocozilla: One of the most beautiful planes ever made...it soared in so many ways. [Fark user image 850x531]

The Spitfire is great but its importance in the BoB is wildly exaggerated and there are plenty of air-worthy Spitfires already.   Let me know when they rebuild one of these...

[historynet.com image 850x340]

That is indeed another one of the most beautiful planes that was ever built..(and probably the last thing Yamamoto ever saw)

i love multipurpose tools that actually work well and the Mosquito might be the best example.  You need long range bomber escort, sure.  you want something fast with range that can get in and out by itself to do marking for the bombers, its got you.  you want precision ground attack, it loves it.  you need to strafe the fark out of a railyard or attack subs, yep. would you like to go crazy fast and still be able to take multiple should-be crippling hits ans still land at your home base, all day every day. hey metal is scarce, how bout if we build it out of wood, awesome. and on and on and on.

Indeed. And apologies, when I first glanced at it I was looking on my phone and I thought it was a lightning...but the mosquito was an absolutely superlative multi-use plane


i figured from your Yamamoto comment.  if it was a Mosquito he never would have seen anything.
 
2021-09-15 1:32:14 PM  

Myk-House of El: [Fark user image 660x930]

And let's not let the Americans think they don't do this crap too.

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Brits are still doing it.
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2021-09-15 1:35:20 PM  

dittybopper: Myk-House of El: [Fark user image image 660x930]

And let's not let the Americans think they don't do this crap too.

[Fark user image image 850x447]

I had that same Spitfire in that same color.

Well, close to it.  Mine was a Mark IV, and the color had some sun fading, because Hawaii.


A friend of mine worked in a print shop that among other things did calendars.  She said that the Mustang car  club calendar had about 1/2 the pictures including the aircraft it shared a name with.  Then I found out the same thing happens in the UK with the Triumph Spitfire club.  It was a damn cliche.

/I like both cars
//But if I'm gonna have a Spitfire calendar, it's gonna be the aircraft.
 
2021-09-15 2:04:38 PM  
I like this video about the Spitfire, it gives a concise history of its development and gives you a technical walkaround of one of the RAF's airworthy Battle of Britain Memorial Flight Spitfires.

Supermarine Spitfire - From Failure to Icon
Youtube qpEJgngZVu8
 
2021-09-15 4:56:05 PM  
DS9: Bashir and O'Brien at the Battle of Britain
Youtube vljqKj-Lz-E


What Battle of Britain cosplay may look like
 
2021-09-15 5:24:01 PM  
Why no love for the Hawker Hurricane?
 
2021-09-15 5:29:52 PM  

tom baker's scarf: cocozilla: One of the most beautiful planes ever made...it soared in so many ways. [Fark user image 850x531]

The Spitfire is great but its importance in the BoB is wildly exaggerated and there are plenty of air-worthy Spitfires already.   Let me know when they rebuild one of these...

[historynet.com image 850x340]


CSB

There was this American pilot in WWII, I cant remember his name. But, he flew like hundreds of missions. And he would get bored and take a Mosquito out by himself and try to bomb the Tirpitz.

/CSB
 
2021-09-15 5:43:59 PM  

tom baker's scarf: cocozilla: One of the most beautiful planes ever made...it soared in so many ways. [Fark user image 850x531]

The Spitfire is great but its importance in the BoB is wildly exaggerated and there are plenty of air-worthy Spitfires already.   Let me know when they rebuild one of these...

[historynet.com image 850x340]


Well, the Mosquito was more of an offensive weapon, whereas the Battle of Britain was more about the defense against the Blitz.

That said, the plane in TFA looks like a late-war model that wouldn't have been used in the Battle of Britain, so why not.
 
2021-09-15 5:51:19 PM  
And as long as we're recognizing the unsung machines of WWII, I think this video is worth a watch:
The Most Underrated British Plane of WW2?
Youtube YFDOGwptxOg
 
2021-09-15 6:00:38 PM  

Arkanaut: And as long as we're recognizing the unsung machines of WWII, I think this video is worth a watch:
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I've heard it's one of the best ways to see Paris:

Daring Solo Beaufighter Raid - Paris 1942
Youtube PM3HTl6oSSU

/The one day there isn't a parade . . .
 
2021-09-15 6:13:44 PM  

Arkanaut: And as long as we're recognizing the unsung machines of WWII, I think this video is worth a watch:
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This video goes on to talk about the battle of the Bismarck Sea. It was a slaughter. I recently read an account of the battle. One transport went down with something like 1700 soldiers on board. Other troop ships were hit with multiple bombs and holes in the hull got ripped open. Blood just ran red out of the holes that got opened in the ships.

The next day, the allied planes spent the whole day strafing whatever survivors they found drifting in retaliation for Japanese Zero pilots shooting and strafing the crew of a B-17 bomber that was shot down.
 
2021-09-15 6:52:16 PM  

baka-san: Why no love for the Hawker Hurricane?


I'm a big fan of the Hurricane, AKA the plane that actually won the Battle of Britain but my heart will always belong to the Mosquito
 
2021-09-15 6:59:13 PM  

Arkanaut: tom baker's scarf: cocozilla: One of the most beautiful planes ever made...it soared in so many ways. [Fark user image 850x531]

The Spitfire is great but its importance in the BoB is wildly exaggerated and there are plenty of air-worthy Spitfires already.   Let me know when they rebuild one of these...

[historynet.com image 850x340]

Well, the Mosquito was more of an offensive weapon, whereas the Battle of Britain was more about the defense against the Blitz.

That said, the plane in TFA looks like a late-war model that wouldn't have been used in the Battle of Britain, so why not.


Yes but the number of Hurricane sorties wildly outstrip the number of Spitfires in the BoB.  The Hurricane wasn't as sexy but it was far more durable, easier to make and repair but still had the Spitfires's firepower and most of the Spit's speed and maneuverability.
 
2021-09-15 7:04:29 PM  

Arkanaut: And as long as we're recognizing the unsung machines of WWII, I think this video is worth a watch:
[YouTube video: The Most Underrated British Plane of WW2?]


This guy is nuts.  The Beaufighter was better than the Me110 but not by much and the 110 is a strong contender for the worst, large production twin engine plane of the war.

There is nothing the Beaufighter excelled at other than collecting 20mm rounds from the Me109s and FW190s
 
2021-09-15 7:10:24 PM  
If you needed to transport a 57mm ATG and ammo this was the best way to do it
TSETSE the DH Mosquito Mk XVIII
Youtube pX-IxiZyGRk
 
2021-09-15 7:30:37 PM  

pschwarz0717: tom baker's scarf: cocozilla: One of the most beautiful planes ever made...it soared in so many ways. [Fark user image 850x531]

The Spitfire is great but its importance in the BoB is wildly exaggerated and there are plenty of air-worthy Spitfires already.   Let me know when they rebuild one of these...

[historynet.com image 850x340]

There's a Canadian one that is flying, I've never seen it, but I know its up there. And my pick for the prettiest plane of the war is hands down this...[Fark user image 850x564]


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Lots of beautiful aircraft from both sides in that war, and yes, the Spitfire is up there in my "rankings", but I will always have a place for the above plane as in my top 5 .
 
2021-09-15 8:46:05 PM  

alienated: pschwarz0717: tom baker's scarf: cocozilla: One of the most beautiful planes ever made...it soared in so many ways. [Fark user image 850x531]

The Spitfire is great but its importance in the BoB is wildly exaggerated and there are plenty of air-worthy Spitfires already.   Let me know when they rebuild one of these...

[historynet.com image 850x340]

There's a Canadian one that is flying, I've never seen it, but I know its up there. And my pick for the prettiest plane of the war is hands down this...[Fark user image 850x564]

[Fark user image image 850x566]

Lots of beautiful aircraft from both sides in that war, and yes, the Spitfire is up there in my "rankings", but I will always have a place for the above plane as in my top 5 .


It's funny how much the gear of that war reflected the nations.
British - flying works of art.
German - viciously predatory.
Russian - utilitarian if in a brutish kind of way
Italian- completely dysfunctional.

Same descriptors apply for the AFVs
 
2021-09-15 8:49:05 PM  

tom baker's scarf: alienated: pschwarz0717: tom baker's scarf: cocozilla: One of the most beautiful planes ever made...it soared in so many ways. [Fark user image 850x531]

The Spitfire is great but its importance in the BoB is wildly exaggerated and there are plenty of air-worthy Spitfires already.   Let me know when they rebuild one of these...

[historynet.com image 850x340]

There's a Canadian one that is flying, I've never seen it, but I know its up there. And my pick for the prettiest plane of the war is hands down this...[Fark user image 850x564]

[Fark user image image 850x566]

Lots of beautiful aircraft from both sides in that war, and yes, the Spitfire is up there in my "rankings", but I will always have a place for the above plane as in my top 5 .

It's funny how much the gear of that war reflected the nations.
British - flying works of art.
German - viciously predatory.
Russian - utilitarian if in a brutish kind of way
Italian- completely dysfunctional.

Same descriptors apply for the AFVs


Forgot one

japanan. - small, nimble, deadly though a bit undergunned and too few to do the job
 
2021-09-15 10:42:48 PM  

tom baker's scarf: tom baker's scarf: alienated: pschwarz0717: tom baker's scarf: cocozilla: One of the most beautiful planes ever made...it soared in so many ways. [Fark user image 850x531]

The Spitfire is great but its importance in the BoB is wildly exaggerated and there are plenty of air-worthy Spitfires already.   Let me know when they rebuild one of these...

[historynet.com image 850x340]

There's a Canadian one that is flying, I've never seen it, but I know its up there. And my pick for the prettiest plane of the war is hands down this...[Fark user image 850x564]

[Fark user image image 850x566]

Lots of beautiful aircraft from both sides in that war, and yes, the Spitfire is up there in my "rankings", but I will always have a place for the above plane as in my top 5 .

It's funny how much the gear of that war reflected the nations.
British - flying works of art.
German - viciously predatory.
Russian - utilitarian if in a brutish kind of way
Italian- completely dysfunctional.

Same descriptors apply for the AFVs

Forgot one

japanan. - small, nimble, deadly though a bit undergunned and too few to do the job


If I was uber rich, I would like to have a museum dedicated to crafts built for war. Bikes, Motorcycles, Cars, Aircraft, Naval Vessels ( all inside in drydock ) , Tanks ( also inside ) . I think you get my "drift" .
I would also be building models of various aircraft from the original plans and updated with newer components and materials so one could actually buy a Mosquitto, but carbon fiber . And yes, it would be a trade school because if one can make a 1940's Merlin shout at you, then you can do a *lot* more with current things. In any manner of fields.

Anyhow , I post this out of respect to those who helped


https://youtu.be/GA3oBLiofms?list=TLG​G​XYtP4B8Va74xNjA5MjAyMQ

The following is about restoration of an early model, I messed up my posting thing

Flying with a Spitfire
Youtube Oh1S-C1r_mA
 
2021-09-16 12:18:05 AM  

tom baker's scarf: Arkanaut: And as long as we're recognizing the unsung machines of WWII, I think this video is worth a watch:
[YouTube video: The Most Underrated British Plane of WW2?]

This guy is nuts.  The Beaufighter was better than the Me110 but not by much and the 110 is a strong contender for the worst, large production twin engine plane of the war.

There is nothing the Beaufighter excelled at other than collecting 20mm rounds from the Me109s and FW190s


Context is everything, no? Once you establish air superiority you can fly a lot of aircraft and missions that you wouldn't otherwise.
 
2021-09-16 12:21:53 AM  

tom baker's scarf: tom baker's scarf: alienated: pschwarz0717: tom baker's scarf: cocozilla: One of the most beautiful planes ever made...it soared in so many ways. [Fark user image 850x531]

The Spitfire is great but its importance in the BoB is wildly exaggerated and there are plenty of air-worthy Spitfires already.   Let me know when they rebuild one of these...

[historynet.com image 850x340]

There's a Canadian one that is flying, I've never seen it, but I know its up there. And my pick for the prettiest plane of the war is hands down this...[Fark user image 850x564]

[Fark user image image 850x566]

Lots of beautiful aircraft from both sides in that war, and yes, the Spitfire is up there in my "rankings", but I will always have a place for the above plane as in my top 5 .

It's funny how much the gear of that war reflected the nations.
British - flying works of art.
German - viciously predatory.
Russian - utilitarian if in a brutish kind of way
Italian- completely dysfunctional.

Same descriptors apply for the AFVs

Forgot one

japanan. - small, nimble, deadly though a bit undergunned and too few to do the job


The Zero had twin 20mm cannons from the outset. And clearly their problem at the end of the war wasn't that they didn't have enough Zeros, but that they didn't have enough pilots.
 
2021-09-16 1:22:18 AM  

Arkanaut: tom baker's scarf: tom baker's scarf: alienated: pschwarz0717: tom baker's scarf: cocozilla: One of the most beautiful planes ever made...it soared in so many ways. [Fark user image 850x531]

The Spitfire is great but its importance in the BoB is wildly exaggerated and there are plenty of air-worthy Spitfires already.   Let me know when they rebuild one of these...

[historynet.com image 850x340]

There's a Canadian one that is flying, I've never seen it, but I know its up there. And my pick for the prettiest plane of the war is hands down this...[Fark user image 850x564]

[Fark user image image 850x566]

Lots of beautiful aircraft from both sides in that war, and yes, the Spitfire is up there in my "rankings", but I will always have a place for the above plane as in my top 5 .

It's funny how much the gear of that war reflected the nations.
British - flying works of art.
German - viciously predatory.
Russian - utilitarian if in a brutish kind of way
Italian- completely dysfunctional.

Same descriptors apply for the AFVs

Forgot one

japanan. - small, nimble, deadly though a bit undergunned and too few to do the job

The Zero had twin 20mm cannons from the outset. And clearly their problem at the end of the war wasn't that they didn't have enough Zeros, but that they didn't have enough pilots.


You could probably say the Japanese didn't have enough pilots in 1943, honestly.
 
2021-09-16 9:29:27 AM  

Polish Hussar: Arkanaut: tom baker's scarf: tom baker's scarf: alienated: pschwarz0717: tom baker's scarf: cocozilla: One of the most beautiful planes ever made...it soared in so many ways. [Fark user image 850x531]

The Spitfire is great but its importance in the BoB is wildly exaggerated and there are plenty of air-worthy Spitfires already.   Let me know when they rebuild one of these...

[historynet.com image 850x340]

There's a Canadian one that is flying, I've never seen it, but I know its up there. And my pick for the prettiest plane of the war is hands down this...[Fark user image 850x564]

[Fark user image image 850x566]

Lots of beautiful aircraft from both sides in that war, and yes, the Spitfire is up there in my "rankings", but I will always have a place for the above plane as in my top 5 .

It's funny how much the gear of that war reflected the nations.
British - flying works of art.
German - viciously predatory.
Russian - utilitarian if in a brutish kind of way
Italian- completely dysfunctional.

Same descriptors apply for the AFVs

Forgot one

japanan. - small, nimble, deadly though a bit undergunned and too few to do the job

The Zero had twin 20mm cannons from the outset. And clearly their problem at the end of the war wasn't that they didn't have enough Zeros, but that they didn't have enough pilots.

You could probably say the Japanese didn't have enough pilots in 1943, honestly.


yes there were too few Japanese to get the job done (not sure how that wasn't clear).  also the Zero was by far their most numerous fighter but even still they only made something like 10,000 while UK/Canada produced something like 14,000 Hawker Hurricanes to say nothing of the Spits, Mossies, etc. I don't know how many P51s were in the Pacific Theater but I'd bet that their number alone was close to 10K plus P38s, etc.

The Zero wasn't a plane that could take a bunch of hits and stay in the sky and once the rest of the planes/pilots/tactics caught up to the Zero the Japanese started loosing them (planes and pilots) far faster than they could be replaced.

As for guns, yes the Zero had 2, 20mm and 2(i think) 0.303 MGs but some like 50-60 rounds of the 20mm/gun and they didn't really keep pace as the war went on.  As a comparison the Hurricane started with 8, 0.303MGs and was later up-gunned to either 4, 20mm or 12, .303 MGs (plus exterior hard-points).

The Zero was an excellent plane and maybe the best carrier bases plane of the war but there just weren't enough of them or pilots to control the theater of operation.
 
2021-09-16 3:57:10 PM  

Arkanaut: tom baker's scarf: Arkanaut: And as long as we're recognizing the unsung machines of WWII, I think this video is worth a watch:
[YouTube video: The Most Underrated British Plane of WW2?]

This guy is nuts.  The Beaufighter was better than the Me110 but not by much and the 110 is a strong contender for the worst, large production twin engine plane of the war.

There is nothing the Beaufighter excelled at other than collecting 20mm rounds from the Me109s and FW190s

Context is everything, no? Once you establish air superiority you can fly a lot of aircraft and missions that you wouldn't otherwise.


if nothing was shooting at it, it was fine and even then you'd only use it if you couldn't find a free squadron of the planes you really wanted to use. you might even need multiple squadrons of beaufighters because instead of a single squadron of B25s or Mossies because the beaufighter was so extremely sub-adequate.   of it's many attributes the one thing the beaufighter was not, was underrated.
 
2021-09-16 4:57:53 PM  

tom baker's scarf: Polish Hussar: Arkanaut: tom baker's scarf: tom baker's scarf: alienated: pschwarz0717: tom baker's scarf: cocozilla: One of the most beautiful planes ever made...it soared in so many ways. [Fark user image 850x531]

The Spitfire is great but its importance in the BoB is wildly exaggerated and there are plenty of air-worthy Spitfires already.   Let me know when they rebuild one of these...

[historynet.com image 850x340]

There's a Canadian one that is flying, I've never seen it, but I know its up there. And my pick for the prettiest plane of the war is hands down this...[Fark user image 850x564]

[Fark user image image 850x566]

Lots of beautiful aircraft from both sides in that war, and yes, the Spitfire is up there in my "rankings", but I will always have a place for the above plane as in my top 5 .

It's funny how much the gear of that war reflected the nations.
British - flying works of art.
German - viciously predatory.
Russian - utilitarian if in a brutish kind of way
Italian- completely dysfunctional.

Same descriptors apply for the AFVs

Forgot one

japanan. - small, nimble, deadly though a bit undergunned and too few to do the job

The Zero had twin 20mm cannons from the outset. And clearly their problem at the end of the war wasn't that they didn't have enough Zeros, but that they didn't have enough pilots.

You could probably say the Japanese didn't have enough pilots in 1943, honestly.

yes there were too few Japanese to get the job done (not sure how that wasn't clear).  also the Zero was by far their most numerous fighter but even still they only made something like 10,000 while UK/Canada produced something like 14,000 Hawker Hurricanes to say nothing of the Spits, Mossies, etc. I don't know how many P51s were in the Pacific Theater but I'd bet that their number alone was close to 10K plus P38s, etc.

The Zero wasn't a plane that could take a bunch of hits and stay in the sky and once the rest of the planes/pilots/tactics caught up to the Zero the Japanese started loosing them (planes and pilots) far faster than they could be replaced.

As for guns, yes the Zero had 2, 20mm and 2(i think) 0.303 MGs but some like 50-60 rounds of the 20mm/gun and they didn't really keep pace as the war went on.  As a comparison the Hurricane started with 8, 0.303MGs and was later up-gunned to either 4, 20mm or 12, .303 MGs (plus exterior hard-points).

The Zero was an excellent plane and maybe the best carrier bases plane of the war but there just weren't enough of them or pilots to control the theater of operation.


Not even close. A Hellcat was better at everything. Then there is the Corsair. But the true war winner was the F4F Wildcat. Even by Oct/Nov 1942 Japanese pilot quality was so low that Zeros would not engage Wildcats if they were in the air.
 
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