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4 days ago  
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4 days ago  
damn that tag checks out. hope both the ump and player are okay.
 
4 days ago  
The rest of baseball: damnit, man! Why couldn't you hit Angel Hernandez instead!?
 
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4 days ago  
Me reading Twitter post: "where the hell was the ump standing??"
Me watching video: "oh, first base ump, YIKES"

Looks like he was ok though. Gonna hurt for a minute I bet.
 
4 days ago  

151: Me reading Twitter post: "where the hell was the ump standing??"
Me watching video: "oh, first base ump, YIKES"

Looks like he was ok though. Gonna hurt for a minute I bet.


Same. But as the video shows, for the play that was happening the umpire was exactly where he was supposed to be, looking exactly where he was supposed to look. Which leaves him completely exposed to a throw that's 20' off the mark. Scary stuff.
 
4 days ago  
That's gonna leave a mark.
 
4 days ago  
I'm curious. What's the ruling on this? Safe at first, no other runners advance, and the ball is not in play?
 
4 days ago  

RoughTrickNamedJim: I'm curious. What's the ruling on this? Safe at first, no other runners advance, and the ball is not in play?


I'm pretty sure the umpire is in play. Live ball, but no one else was on base, so it's moot in this instance. E-6 allowing the batter to reach first.
 
4 days ago  

RoughTrickNamedJim: I'm curious. What's the ruling on this? Safe at first, no other runners advance, and the ball is not in play?


On a thrown ball it is live.  On a batted ball it may or not be dead, depending on certain circumstances.

Of course for the most part the offensive team wouldn't attempt to take advantage in a situation like the video.
 
4 days ago  

virulent_loser: damn that tag checks out. hope both the ump and player are okay.


Shouldn't it have the facepalm tag?
 
4 days ago  
i tuned in later in the game and they showed the big bruise on the ump but i didn't see what happened until now

yikes that was a bad throw
 
4 days ago  

virulent_loser: damn that tag checks out. hope both the ump and player are okay.


the ump finished the game, so he should be ok. we'll see if he is out there tonight
 
4 days ago  
Ozzie Smith asking, "What are you doing son?"
 
4 days ago  
man where is Angle Hernadez when you need him?
 
4 days ago  
I heard about this but hadn't seen the replay until now. Crazy. For some reason I always thought the ump was closer to the base, but it's weird how you tune the field umps out.
 
4 days ago  
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4 days ago  
The tweet with the laughing to tears emoji seems a bit dickish given the potential for injury here.
 
4 days ago  
That's a "my strike zone is going to be huge" look on his face if I ever saw one.

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4 days ago  

Trainspotr: RoughTrickNamedJim: I'm curious. What's the ruling on this? Safe at first, no other runners advance, and the ball is not in play?

I'm pretty sure the umpire is in play. Live ball, but no one else was on base, so it's moot in this instance. E-6 allowing the batter to reach first.


It was ruled a hit, and rightly so IMO. It would have been a really close play with an accurate throw.

Hitting the umpire may have saved an error, though, since the runner may otherwise have been able to advance to 2nd base.

Dead for Tax Reasons: virulent_loser: damn that tag checks out. hope both the ump and player are okay.

the ump finished the game, so he should be ok. we'll see if he is out there tonight


This happened in Monday night's game. He was back out last night as the home plate umpire.
 
4 days ago  
The next time Sosa comes to bat when this guy is behind the plate, he better swing at every pitch no matter where it's thrown, because I'm guessing every pitch is going to be called a strike anyway.
 
4 days ago  
On a related noted, it's nearly impossible to watch this GIF without chuckling:

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4 days ago  

wxboy: Trainspotr: RoughTrickNamedJim: I'm curious. What's the ruling on this? Safe at first, no other runners advance, and the ball is not in play?

I'm pretty sure the umpire is in play. Live ball, but no one else was on base, so it's moot in this instance. E-6 allowing the batter to reach first.

It was ruled a hit, and rightly so IMO. It would have been a really close play with an accurate throw.

Hitting the umpire may have saved an error, though, since the runner may otherwise have been able to advance to 2nd base.

Dead for Tax Reasons: virulent_loser: damn that tag checks out. hope both the ump and player are okay.

the ump finished the game, so he should be ok. we'll see if he is out there tonight

This happened in Monday night's game. He was back out last night as the home plate umpire.


Not only that, but he didn't even leave the game that same night. They paused a few minutes to let him collect himself, and he was smiling minutes later.
 
4 days ago  
If I remember correctly, there was a college woman's softball game where the fielding team was getting pissed about the home plate ump's calls, they have a meeting in the mound and immediately afterward the pitcher drills said ump with a pitch that the catcher made no effort to get.
Pretty sure there was a few ejections after that.

I also once saw a hothead playing shortstop in slow pitch softball get pissed about a call and when there was a play at the plate later on, he rifled the ball into the umpire's hip.
That was a forfeit and a near brawl.
 
4 days ago  
Ouch!

Hope the ump is okay.
 
4 days ago  

wxboy: It was ruled a hit, and rightly so IMO. It would have been a really close play with an accurate throw.


That should have been an E.  Even if the ump hadn't caught the ball in his face the throw would have pulled the 1st baseman off the bag allowing the runner to be safe.   The fact that it *wasn't* an accurate throw is why it should have been scored E6.

Home field scorers don't want to take hits away from the home team, so the "is it an error" question tends to be a little bit weighted.
 
4 days ago  

wxboy: Dead for Tax Reasons: virulent_loser: damn that tag checks out. hope both the ump and player are okay.

the ump finished the game, so he should be ok. we'll see if he is out there tonight

This happened in Monday night's game. He was back out last night as the home plate umpire.


sorry i forgot where i was when it comes to the timeliness of news
 
4 days ago  

Rent Party: wxboy: It was ruled a hit, and rightly so IMO. It would have been a really close play with an accurate throw.

That should have been an E.  Even if the ump hadn't caught the ball in his face the throw would have pulled the 1st baseman off the bag allowing the runner to be safe.   The fact that it *wasn't* an accurate throw is why it should have been scored E6.

Home field scorers don't want to take hits away from the home team, so the "is it an error" question tends to be a little bit weighted.


Nah. It's not really a play where he'd definitely have gotten the out even if the throw had been good.

But he should've at least gone over to check on the ump. You f*ck up like that, you gotta make sure the person you hit is OK.
 
4 days ago  

IAmRight: Rent Party: wxboy: It was ruled a hit, and rightly so IMO. It would have been a really close play with an accurate throw.

That should have been an E.  Even if the ump hadn't caught the ball in his face the throw would have pulled the 1st baseman off the bag allowing the runner to be safe.   The fact that it *wasn't* an accurate throw is why it should have been scored E6.

Home field scorers don't want to take hits away from the home team, so the "is it an error" question tends to be a little bit weighted.

Nah. It's not really a play where he'd definitely have gotten the out even if the throw had been good.

But he should've at least gone over to check on the ump. You f*ck up like that, you gotta make sure the person you hit is OK.


We're gonna disagree on the E (as is proper and just) but you are dead on right about checking out the guy you just clobbered.
 
4 days ago  

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when you vomit so hard you have to cup your balls to mitigate the pain you know two things are true.

1. mistakes were made.
2. the next 24-96 hours is going to be absolute hell and, at some point, you will pray for the sweet release of death.
 
4 days ago  

Your_Huckleberry: If I remember correctly, there was a college woman's softball game where the fielding team was getting pissed about the home plate ump's calls, they have a meeting in the mound and immediately afterward the pitcher drills said ump with a pitch that the catcher made no effort to get.
Pretty sure there was a few ejections after that.

I also once saw a hothead playing shortstop in slow pitch softball get pissed about a call and when there was a play at the plate later on, he rifled the ball into the umpire's hip.
That was a forfeit and a near brawl.


There have been videos of this kind of stuff happening in baseball games (high school?) where the pitcher throws high and the catcher puts his glove up but brings it down at the last moment.

The few times I've seen those videos, the pitcher and catcher get tossed. If the coach doesn't pass out from yelling at his players, I've seen him get tossed as well.
 
4 days ago  

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I love the catcher's reaction. Just peaces out immediately.
 
4 days ago  
IAmRight:  But he should've at least gone over to check on the ump. You f*ck up like that, you gotta make sure the person you hit is OK.

Having been clobbered like that in the past, the last thing you want is the guy to come over and get in the way while the trainers are trying to evaluate you. Just stay out of the way, let the medics do their work, and if the opportunity presents itself you can come check in on him afterward.
 
4 days ago  
I am amazed that this has never happened before. Or that it doesn't happen more often.

I mean, how many throws to first in a game? A couple dozen or so? It's like baseball's most common play. And the ump is standing right there. Any ball has a chance to tag him, and it's weird that it rarely does.
 
4 days ago  

The Madd Mann: IAmRight:  But he should've at least gone over to check on the ump. You f*ck up like that, you gotta make sure the person you hit is OK.

Having been clobbered like that in the past, the last thing you want is the guy to come over and get in the way while the trainers are trying to evaluate you. Just stay out of the way, let the medics do their work, and if the opportunity presents itself you can come check in on him afterward.


Even the first baseman went over to check on the ump but backed off when the trainers got there.
 
4 days ago  

The Madd Mann: IAmRight:  But he should've at least gone over to check on the ump. You f*ck up like that, you gotta make sure the person you hit is OK.

Having been clobbered like that in the past, the last thing you want is the guy to come over and get in the way while the trainers are trying to evaluate you. Just stay out of the way, let the medics do their work, and if the opportunity presents itself you can come check in on him afterward.


This. Especially the guy that did it to you.

Having people walk up to you when you are obviously in tons of pain and not ok to say "Are you ok man??" is almost like insult after injury. "No, I'm not ok, that's why I'm bleeding and in pain".
 
4 days ago  

Rent Party: wxboy: It was ruled a hit, and rightly so IMO. It would have been a really close play with an accurate throw.

That should have been an E.  Even if the ump hadn't caught the ball in his face the throw would have pulled the 1st baseman off the bag allowing the runner to be safe.   The fact that it *wasn't* an accurate throw is why it should have been scored E6.

Home field scorers don't want to take hits away from the home team, so the "is it an error" question tends to be a little bit weighted.


I think we're just destined to disagree on this, but I'm going to spend time making my case anyway, because this is the internet.

My point is that even an accurate throw might not have gotten the out (it would have been a really close play, although a closer examination does show that the runner wasn't to the bag yet when the umpire ate it), and the nature of the fielding play itself likely goes beyond most scorers' definition of "ordinary effort". So there might well have been no reasonable expectation as judged by the scorer that an out could be made on the ground ball considering all factors other than the errant throw. Thus, no error can be charged because the outcome didn't necessarily change because of the bad throw. That's also why I contend that hitting the umpire may have saved an error; if the runner had advanced to 2nd base because the throw went into the dugout, then an error could have been charged.
 
4 days ago  

wxboy: Thus, no error can be charged because the outcome didn't necessarily change because of the bad throw. That's also why I contend that hitting the umpire may have saved an error; if the runner had advanced to 2nd base because the throw went into the dugout, then an error could have been charged.


I agree with this.

Could have been an error, but wasn't.
 
4 days ago  

Rent Party: wxboy: It was ruled a hit, and rightly so IMO. It would have been a really close play with an accurate throw.

That should have been an E.  Even if the ump hadn't caught the ball in his face the throw would have pulled the 1st baseman off the bag allowing the runner to be safe.   The fact that it *wasn't* an accurate throw is why it should have been scored E6.

Home field scorers don't want to take hits away from the home team, so the "is it an error" question tends to be a little bit weighted.


A shiatty throw isn't an error unless it results in some negative consequence.  Because of where it was hit, the shortstop had to go across the field to glove the ball, going toward the outfield, then had to spin to face first before making a throw, which allowed the hitter to get most of the way down the line before he even got the throw off.  In this play, in the scorer's judgment (which may be questionable, but that's the scorer's prerogative, though I did notice that the baserunner seemed to slow down a bit as he approached first when he saw how off line the throw was because he no longer needed to bust his ass to beat the throw), the runner would've been able to beat the throw even if it had been on target, so the inaccuracy of the throw didn't cause any consequence to the outcome of the play.  If the throw hadn't hit the ump, it would've likely gone to dugout or in the stands and the runner would've gone to second, which then would've been scored a base hit (an infield single) and an error on the overthrow/advance to second.
 
4 days ago  

Cyberluddite: Rent Party: wxboy: It was ruled a hit, and rightly so IMO. It would have been a really close play with an accurate throw.

That should have been an E.  Even if the ump hadn't caught the ball in his face the throw would have pulled the 1st baseman off the bag allowing the runner to be safe.   The fact that it *wasn't* an accurate throw is why it should have been scored E6.

Home field scorers don't want to take hits away from the home team, so the "is it an error" question tends to be a little bit weighted.

A shiatty throw isn't an error unless it results in some negative consequence.  Because of where it was hit, the shortstop had to go across the field to glove the ball, going toward the outfield, then had to spin to face first before making a throw, which allowed the hitter to get most of the way down the line before he even got the throw off.  In this play, in the scorer's judgment (which may be questionable, but that's the scorer's prerogative, though I did notice that the baserunner seemed to slow down a bit as he approached first when he saw how off line the throw was because he no longer needed to bust his ass to beat the throw), the runner would've been able to beat the throw even if it had been on target, so the inaccuracy of the throw didn't cause any consequence to the outcome of the play.  If the throw hadn't hit the ump, it would've likely gone to dugout or in the stands and the runner would've gone to second, which then would've been scored a base hit (an infield single) and an error on the overthrow/advance to second.


Question:  Did the play stop when the ump got hit or did the baserunner voluntarily stop running?
 
4 days ago  

The Southern Logic Company: Question:  Did the play stop when the ump got hit or did the baserunner voluntarily stop running?


I think the ump is "in play" for a thrown ball, same as if it had hit one of the defensive players and he didn't catch it  The runner could've tried to go to second if he had wanted to, but it looks like when the ball bounced off the ump it deflected back toward the pitcher, so if the runner had tried to advance the pitcher could've just picked the ball up and thrown it to second and he would've been out by a mile, so the runner wisely stayed put at first.  So really, hitting the ump is the only thing that prevented the runner from advancing to second and the play being scored a hit and and error.
 
4 days ago  

tom baker's scarf: libranoelrose: [i.imgur.com image 480x480] [View Full Size image _x_]

when you vomit so hard you have to cup your balls to mitigate the pain you know two things are true.

1. mistakes were made.
2. the next 24-96 hours is going to be absolute hell and, at some point, you will pray for the sweet release of death.


Uh, yeah.

Haven't you ever been his so hard in the nuts you puked?
 
4 days ago  

El Mariaski: libranoelrose: [i.imgur.com image 480x480] [View Full Size image _x_]

I love the catcher's reaction. Just peaces out immediately.


Remember in Stand By Me when the fat kid drank the castor oil before the blueberry pie eating contest and everyone in the audience puked too?

It's a common reaction to puke when you see or smell other's puke.

Catcher made the right move.
 
4 days ago  

libranoelrose: tom baker's scarf: libranoelrose: [i.imgur.com image 480x480] [View Full Size image _x_]

when you vomit so hard you have to cup your balls to mitigate the pain you know two things are true.

1. mistakes were made.
2. the next 24-96 hours is going to be absolute hell and, at some point, you will pray for the sweet release of death.

Uh, yeah.

Haven't you ever been his so hard in the nuts you puked?


Nope and the clip doesn't show the ump getting hit.
 
4 days ago  

wxboy: Rent Party: wxboy: It was ruled a hit, and rightly so IMO. It would have been a really close play with an accurate throw.

That should have been an E.  Even if the ump hadn't caught the ball in his face the throw would have pulled the 1st baseman off the bag allowing the runner to be safe.   The fact that it *wasn't* an accurate throw is why it should have been scored E6.

Home field scorers don't want to take hits away from the home team, so the "is it an error" question tends to be a little bit weighted.

I think we're just destined to disagree on this, but I'm going to spend time making my case anyway, because this is the internet.

My point is that even an accurate throw might not have gotten the out (it would have been a really close play, although a closer examination does show that the runner wasn't to the bag yet when the umpire ate it), and the nature of the fielding play itself likely goes beyond most scorers' definition of "ordinary effort". So there might well have been no reasonable expectation as judged by the scorer that an out could be made on the ground ball considering all factors other than the errant throw. Thus, no error can be charged because the outcome didn't necessarily change because of the bad throw. That's also why I contend that hitting the umpire may have saved an error; if the runner had advanced to 2nd base because the throw went into the dugout, then an error could have been charged.


Internet baseball geek argument it is, then....  *twirls mustache*

The error is purely the fact that an out wasn't recorded when there should have been.   That's all it takes.  Sosa's ball was well ahead of the runner.  You can see that by his position on the base path when Valentine took it on the noggin.  Had the throw been on point, that's a routine play.

This was simply the home town scorer ensuring that the home town batter got credit for a hit.
 
4 days ago  

Cyberluddite: A shiatty throw isn't an error unless it results in some negative consequence.


By rule, an error is an out not  being recorded when one should have been.   That is what an error is, so this shiatty throw is most definitely an error.
 
4 days ago  

Rent Party: Cyberluddite: A shiatty throw isn't an error unless it results in some negative consequence.

By rule, an error is an out not  being recorded when one should have been.   That is what an error is, so this shiatty throw is most definitely an error.


As explained repeatedly above, in the scorer's judgment the runner likely could've beaten the throw to first even if had been on target. Thus the shiatty throw did not result in "an out not being recorded when one should have been" and therefore not an error.  It's not like the baserunner was only halfway up the line from first base when the throw was made--it was going to be fairy close with a good throw but it's still a judgment call, and not a completely unreasonable one.
 
4 days ago  

Cyberluddite: it was going to be fairy close


Or fairly close even.
 
4 days ago  

Cyberluddite: Rent Party: Cyberluddite: A shiatty throw isn't an error unless it results in some negative consequence.

By rule, an error is an out not  being recorded when one should have been.   That is what an error is, so this shiatty throw is most definitely an error.

As explained repeatedly above, in the scorer's judgment the runner likely could've beaten the throw to first even if had been on target. Thus the shiatty throw did not result in "an out not being recorded when one should have been" and therefore not an error.  It's not like the baserunner was only halfway up the line from first base when the throw was made--it was going to be fairy close with a good throw but it's still a judgment call, and not a completely unreasonable one.


And as explained above, the home team scorer is generally less inclined to "judge" an error if it take away a hit from the home team's player.

But, since you want to seem to argue the obvious.

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See the ball?  That just came off of Valentine's head.  See the runner?  Not even close to the bag yet.  Had that throw been on the dime, that runner is out, and it isn't even close.

But hey, internet.  Same as it ever was.
 
4 days ago  

Rent Party: wxboy: Rent Party: wxboy: It was ruled a hit, and rightly so IMO. It would have been a really close play with an accurate throw.

That should have been an E.  Even if the ump hadn't caught the ball in his face the throw would have pulled the 1st baseman off the bag allowing the runner to be safe.   The fact that it *wasn't* an accurate throw is why it should have been scored E6.

Home field scorers don't want to take hits away from the home team, so the "is it an error" question tends to be a little bit weighted.

I think we're just destined to disagree on this, but I'm going to spend time making my case anyway, because this is the internet.

My point is that even an accurate throw might not have gotten the out (it would have been a really close play, although a closer examination does show that the runner wasn't to the bag yet when the umpire ate it), and the nature of the fielding play itself likely goes beyond most scorers' definition of "ordinary effort". So there might well have been no reasonable expectation as judged by the scorer that an out could be made on the ground ball considering all factors other than the errant throw. Thus, no error can be charged because the outcome didn't necessarily change because of the bad throw. That's also why I contend that hitting the umpire may have saved an error; if the runner had advanced to 2nd base because the throw went into the dugout, then an error could have been charged.

Internet baseball geek argument it is, then....  *twirls mustache*

The error is purely the fact that an out wasn't recorded when there should have been.   That's all it takes.  Sosa's ball was well ahead of the runner.  You can see that by his position on the base path when Valentine took it on the noggin.  Had the throw been on point, that's a routine play.

This was simply the home town scorer ensuring that the home town batter got credit for a hit.


I disagree that it was ideally a routine play. The shortstop had to go well to his left all the way to the edge of the outfield grass, then do a spin and throw to make it close. If he had taken the time to set himself to make a better throw, the runner would have been safe.  That's not "ordinary effort" (the standard for an error), in my opinion, so failing to complete a difficult play cannot be an error if the result of the play is not beyond normal (runner safe at first), even if the throw is wild. It doesn't matter that the runner would have been out had the throw been on the mark; an average fielder wouldn't have had any better odds of making an accurate throw.

It's still a mental mistake to try throwing at all with that kind of wild momentum, but that doesn't make it an error.
 
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