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(YouTube)   A unique, rare interview clip, where Norm Macdonald talks about cancer. It's obvious after the fact he's deliberately foreshadowing his own circumstances, and this clip completely explains why nobody knew he had it. This is a must-listen   (youtube.com) divider line
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2021-09-15 4:01:41 AM  
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2021-09-15 5:31:11 AM  
Yep. Dark.
 
2021-09-15 7:45:26 AM  
Norm went out Stannis level HAM.

Why do the people I hate seem to live forever?
 
2021-09-15 8:39:55 AM  
I agree with a lot of this. I had cancer years ago, it sucked, for a little while it looked like I might die. Bad stuff. People wear that like a badge of honor, or some great cross they carry that everyone has to acknowledge and say how brave they are. They are a survivor.

fark that. Its a shiatty illness, you have little control over how it progresses (but lots of control over how you choose to deal with it), and if you're lucky and the doctors are good (they usually are), you live, and get on with your life. If not, you die a way so many others have died.

I dont judge people for wearing the 'survivor' mantle like a badge of honor, I think for a lot of people its a traumatizing experience. But I don't really like it either.

Sometimes life is shiat, it shouldn't be bragging rights for who had the shiattiest thing happen. But.for some people it is..
 
2021-09-15 9:12:59 AM  
He walked the walk, to the end.
 
2021-09-15 9:17:12 AM  
Wow.  That's hard to listen to.

Who's the other guy?  I don't recognize the voice.
 
2021-09-15 9:21:15 AM  
Norm, this is a podiatrists office, why are you telling me this?

Well, your light was on.

RIP
 
2021-09-15 9:29:48 AM  
I'm sure there were people that knew he had it.  As he mentions in the interview, it's just not something he talked about.
 
2021-09-15 9:33:42 AM  
He really did seem like a guy that lived his principles.
 
2021-09-15 10:02:57 AM  
That really is a great movie. 
The Straight Story (1999) HQ Trailer
Youtube e0zb_baTzkk
 
2021-09-15 10:09:26 AM  
Good find subby
 
2021-09-15 10:11:43 AM  

CarnySaur: I'm sure there were people that knew he had it.  As he mentions in the interview, it's just not something he talked about.


Reportedly, a few close friends knew.
 
2021-09-15 10:27:14 AM  

LL316: Wow.  That's hard to listen to.

Who's the other guy?  I don't recognize the voice.


Sounds Like Chris Hardwick.
 
2021-09-15 10:42:14 AM  

bulsd: LL316: Wow.  That's hard to listen to.

Who's the other guy?  I don't recognize the voice.

Sounds Like Chris Hardwick.


Huh. I thought it was Stern.
 
2021-09-15 10:46:55 AM  

chawco: I dont judge people for wearing the 'survivor' mantle like a badge of honor, I think for a lot of people its a traumatizing experience. But I don't really like it either.


I survived kidney cancer, while the same type of cancer killed a co-worker of mine.  I even referred him to my doctor.

I don't see it as a badge of honor, but I did use my cancer as a learning experience.  I learned that cancer is a largely preventable disease, with only 5-10% of all cases resulting from genetic causes.  The rest is overwhelmingly (though not entirely) caused by those two words people hate to hear -- lifestyle choices.  And with a lifetime of obesity and inactivity, combined with zero family history of cancer, my doctor made it clear that I almost certainly fell into the "largely preventable" category.

So I ate healthier, lost the weight, became more active, and I'm still cancer free 15+ years later.  People around here like to say "Fark cancer", but this is how I say it.  By doing everything I can to ensure I don't have to deal with it again.
 
2021-09-15 10:50:45 AM  

chawco: I agree with a lot of this. I had cancer years ago, it sucked, for a little while it looked like I might die. Bad stuff. People wear that like a badge of honor, or some great cross they carry that everyone has to acknowledge and say how brave they are. They are a survivor.

fark that. Its a shiatty illness, you have little control over how it progresses (but lots of control over how you choose to deal with it), and if you're lucky and the doctors are good (they usually are), you live, and get on with your life. If not, you die a way so many others have died.

I dont judge people for wearing the 'survivor' mantle like a badge of honor, I think for a lot of people its a traumatizing experience. But I don't really like it either.

Sometimes life is shiat, it shouldn't be bragging rights for who had the shiattiest thing happen. But.for some people it is..


I worked in a cancer clinic, and congrats about beating it, but cancer affects people in different ways so it for some people it helps them wear it like a badge of honor than good for them, because they end up giving people who are going through it hope and for some folks the trauma is intense (blood and marrow transplant for example) so knowing there's others out there who've been through it helps. There are some it's not a traumatic experience at all as there's a lot of forms of cancer.

So I get what you're saying and I get what he's saying and if a person doesn't chose to wear it like a badge also good on them, it's their personal condition. But folks using it as bragging rights for surviving a shiatty thing aren't doing any harm and can give hope to the mom who just discovered her kid has leukemia and doesn't know what that means for them. The benefits of some people being open about it far outweigh the consequences of everyone being silent about it.

Plus a lot of people brag about all sorts of inconsequential shiat, I know I'm proud of some dumb shiat, so if someone wants to brag because even if by luck alone the various poisons killed their cancer before it had a chance to kill them, cool. And if that person treats it like a contest I'll just remind them that more people survive cancer than get a kill streak of 17 in Halo so I win.
 
2021-09-15 10:55:11 AM  

The Crepes of Wrath: chawco: I dont judge people for wearing the 'survivor' mantle like a badge of honor, I think for a lot of people its a traumatizing experience. But I don't really like it either.

I survived kidney cancer, while the same type of cancer killed a co-worker of mine.  I even referred him to my doctor.

I don't see it as a badge of honor, but I did use my cancer as a learning experience.  I learned that cancer is a largely preventable disease, with only 5-10% of all cases resulting from genetic causes.  The rest is overwhelmingly (though not entirely) caused by those two words people hate to hear -- lifestyle choices.  And with a lifetime of obesity and inactivity, combined with zero family history of cancer, my doctor made it clear that I almost certainly fell into the "largely preventable" category.

So I ate healthier, lost the weight, became more active, and I'm still cancer free 15+ years later.  People around here like to say "Fark cancer", but this is how I say it.  By doing everything I can to ensure I don't have to deal with it again.



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2021-09-15 11:06:30 AM  

Lumbar Puncture: chawco: I agree with a lot of this. I had cancer years ago, it sucked, for a little while it looked like I might die. Bad stuff. People wear that like a badge of honor, or some great cross they carry that everyone has to acknowledge and say how brave they are. They are a survivor.

fark that. Its a shiatty illness, you have little control over how it progresses (but lots of control over how you choose to deal with it), and if you're lucky and the doctors are good (they usually are), you live, and get on with your life. If not, you die a way so many others have died.

I dont judge people for wearing the 'survivor' mantle like a badge of honor, I think for a lot of people its a traumatizing experience. But I don't really like it either.

Sometimes life is shiat, it shouldn't be bragging rights for who had the shiattiest thing happen. But.for some people it is..

I worked in a cancer clinic, and congrats about beating it, but cancer affects people in different ways so it for some people it helps them wear it like a badge of honor than good for them, because they end up giving people who are going through it hope and for some folks the trauma is intense (blood and marrow transplant for example) so knowing there's others out there who've been through it helps. There are some it's not a traumatic experience at all as there's a lot of forms of cancer.

So I get what you're saying and I get what he's saying and if a person doesn't chose to wear it like a badge also good on them, it's their personal condition. But folks using it as bragging rights for surviving a shiatty thing aren't doing any harm and can give hope to the mom who just discovered her kid has leukemia and doesn't know what that means for them. The benefits of some people being open about it far outweigh the consequences of everyone being silent about it.

Plus a lot of people brag about all sorts of inconsequential shiat, I know I'm proud of some dumb shiat, so if someone wants to brag because even if by luck alone the various poisons killed their cancer before it had a chance to kill them, cool. And if that person treats it like a contest I'll just remind them that more people survive cancer than get a kill streak of 17 in Halo so I win.


Yeah, I feel everything you say, and I don't mean to put down people who call themselves survivors. There are degrees of it I find get a bit much and irks me some. But I smiled through chemo, so, that stuff just doesn't hit me the way it does some people.

Definitely though, don't think we need to keep cancer a secret. There is soemthig to be said for the people who.dont publicize it or use it for their advantage. And... I have used it, once or twice. Sometimes, we need to take the advantages we can get, and it did knock me on my ass for most of a year. I wasn't shy to mention it a couple times, including in funding applications, when it made me look good because I still got stuff done while on chemo, but probably not as much as I would have if I wasn't.

I'm open about that it happened, I tell silly stories about it, and people should not be ashamed. I do get miffed at people who want everyone to go "ohh you poor thing you're so brave" because they had a bit of cancer 10 years ago and then got better.
 
2021-09-15 11:06:41 AM  
This is the best thing on Fark this week. Thanks Sub.
 
2021-09-15 11:09:56 AM  
When was this recorded?
 
2021-09-15 11:10:44 AM  

The Crepes of Wrath: chawco: I dont judge people for wearing the 'survivor' mantle like a badge of honor, I think for a lot of people its a traumatizing experience. But I don't really like it either.

I survived kidney cancer, while the same type of cancer killed a co-worker of mine.  I even referred him to my doctor.

I don't see it as a badge of honor, but I did use my cancer as a learning experience.  I learned that cancer is a largely preventable disease, with only 5-10% of all cases resulting from genetic causes.  The rest is overwhelmingly (though not entirely) caused by those two words people hate to hear -- lifestyle choices.  And with a lifetime of obesity and inactivity, combined with zero family history of cancer, my doctor made it clear that I almost certainly fell into the "largely preventable" category.

So I ate healthier, lost the weight, became more active, and I'm still cancer free 15+ years later.  People around here like to say "Fark cancer", but this is how I say it.  By doing everything I can to ensure I don't have to deal with it again.


Your point is true to an extent but I think you are over estimating how much of cancer is just lifestyle. Sure, many risk factors are co trollable, but many are not, and just because its not genetic doesn't mean its lifestyle. There is also a huge random factor, some people just get unlucky. And the older you are, the more likely you are to be unlucky. A lot of the risk factor stuff is just increasing the risk.of the random factors some , but that still doesn't mean "you got cancer because you were fat".
 
2021-09-15 11:37:54 AM  

chawco: The Crepes of Wrath: chawco: I dont judge people for wearing the 'survivor' mantle like a badge of honor, I think for a lot of people its a traumatizing experience. But I don't really like it either.

I survived kidney cancer, while the same type of cancer killed a co-worker of mine.  I even referred him to my doctor.

I don't see it as a badge of honor, but I did use my cancer as a learning experience.  I learned that cancer is a largely preventable disease, with only 5-10% of all cases resulting from genetic causes.  The rest is overwhelmingly (though not entirely) caused by those two words people hate to hear -- lifestyle choices.  And with a lifetime of obesity and inactivity, combined with zero family history of cancer, my doctor made it clear that I almost certainly fell into the "largely preventable" category.

So I ate healthier, lost the weight, became more active, and I'm still cancer free 15+ years later.  People around here like to say "Fark cancer", but this is how I say it.  By doing everything I can to ensure I don't have to deal with it again.

Your point is true to an extent but I think you are over estimating how much of cancer is just lifestyle. Sure, many risk factors are co trollable, but many are not, and just because its not genetic doesn't mean its lifestyle. There is also a huge random factor, some people just get unlucky. And the older you are, the more likely you are to be unlucky. A lot of the risk factor stuff is just increasing the risk.of the random factors some , but that still doesn't mean "you got cancer because you were fat".


It isn't either/or. Both of my maternal grandparents died of lung cancer, I believe my grandfather was a regular smoker (I did not know him) but I know for certain my grandmother was not in any way a heavy smoker (she smoked small hits of pot every day and occasionally cigarettes off and on, old head type). Both my mother and I? Ex smokers who coughed and spit flem like crazy when we smoked. Surely my grandparents would not have died from lung cancer if they didn't smoke at all, and surely there is some genetic susceptibility to small cell lung cancer when combined with the obvious lifestyle choice, Smoking.

That said my paternal grandfather is 81, chain smokes cigs and cigars both cheap brands, survived a stroke, still drives and seems...fine. Life is weird like that. His sister in law died of lung cancer on the outside of her lung, a very rare type. She smoked like a chimney, it didn't have much at all to do with her cancer. Her husband, he died of a heart attack in his 50s, a skinny man who always seemed in good shape I watched him light his cigs with his previous cig regualrly, I promise his heart was hard as a rock from all that chain smoking and cancer surely wasn't far behind.

Life is weird.
 
2021-09-15 11:43:12 AM  
In addition to my previous comment, the man who I call my maternal grandfather (not actually related) smoked at least two packs a day since age 10, he quit at 65. His doctor is one of the best around (mom's a nurse and can vouch for a doctor or two) and he told my mom at my grandfather's first major check up in probably 40 years, "his lungs are perfect, he's just fat".

The man smokes like it's his job for 55 years, and you're telling us his biggest issue was all the beers and cheese burgers? That's genetics.

Life is weird.
 
2021-09-15 11:45:34 AM  

chawco: Your point is true to an extent but I think you are over estimating how much of cancer is just lifestyle.


I'm not overestimating anything.  I got that information directly from the National Institutes for Health.
 
2021-09-15 11:48:18 AM  

chawco: I'm open about that it happened, I tell silly stories about it, and people should not be ashamed. I do get miffed at people who want everyone to go "ohh you poor thing you're so brave" because they had a bit of cancer 10 years ago and then got better.


True, though I think (hope) those folks are mostly in the minority. Most of the patients I ever met, both those that survived and those that did not, weren't looking for attention and were kind and funny even up to the end. Those that want the sympathy would've probably used something else anyone to get it.
 
2021-09-15 11:58:48 AM  
If I have cancer (just had my first colonoscopy on Monday with a polyp in the lab as we speak), I want everybody to know about it.  If this is "the end of ME", as Dennis Miller put it, and my universe as I exist in it does revolve around me, I want to go down fighting, but also with the support and concern of my friends and family.  Norm has a valid point and that worked for him, but that's not how I would do it.
 
2021-09-15 12:07:07 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: If I have cancer (just had my first colonoscopy on Monday with a polyp in the lab as we speak), I want everybody to know about it.  If this is "the end of ME", as Dennis Miller put it, and my universe as I exist in it does revolve around me, I want to go down fighting, but also with the support and concern of my friends and family.  Norm has a valid point and that worked for him, but that's not how I would do it.


The takeaway should be that there are other ways. Not just the "survivor" bumper sticker. Bumper stickers work because a lot of people like them. Like McDonald's or Journey. It doesn't mean it's the only, or right, way.
 
2021-09-15 12:35:01 PM  

The Crepes of Wrath: chawco: Your point is true to an extent but I think you are over estimating how much of cancer is just lifestyle.

I'm not overestimating anything.  I got that information directly from the National Institutes for Health.


And just as a further clarification about my "overwhelmingly but not entirely" comment.

As an astronomy geek, I'm fully aware that a high energy cosmic ray from deep space could hit me at any moment, which damages a single cell's DNA, and causes a cascade of events that results in cancer.  That's bad luck, being in the wrong place at the wrong time.  For an astronaut, though, that same event is a lifestyle choice because this is one of the well-known risks of going into space (even though there seems not to be a higher risk of dying from cancer among astronauts, there's a higher risk of developing cancer, and I suspect that the known risk results in astronauts being screened more frequently than the general public, in the hopes of catching it earlier).

Same goes for environmental causes.  Living close to a known cancer-causing source of pollution increases the statistical likelihood of developing cancer due to factors outside your control, but the farther away you get, the more lifestyle choices start to take over.

You can't completely eliminate the risk of developing cancer, but you can minimize it a helluva lot.
 
2021-09-15 12:57:39 PM  

CarnySaur: I'm sure there were people that knew he had it.  As he mentions in the interview, it's just not something he talked about.


His immediate family, I suppose, must have.

But I haven't yet read even a single person in the entertainment business saying they knew.

Even there I'm sure a few HAD to, because he had an online talk show with a cohort and a crew.  He had talent and business management. Plus, there are just too many stories of him being friends with guys like David Spade or Adam Sandler or a few others that they must have discovered it over such a long period.  He had to have been in hospitals and such periodically all along, cancelling gigs occasionally, etc.

Heck, probably a TON of people knew.  But they, even the entertainment press, clearly respected his desire to not publicly talk about it.  That's both weird and kind of wonderful, given how little the privacy of ANYONE in show business is respected.
 
2021-09-15 1:09:51 PM  

Dimensio: CarnySaur: I'm sure there were people that knew he had it.  As he mentions in the interview, it's just not something he talked about.

Reportedly, a few close friends knew.


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2021-09-15 1:14:11 PM  
I'm sure this has been posted, but bears repeating 
Norm Macdonald Last Stand Up on Letterman
Youtube mFjEvl43zYY
 
2021-09-15 1:16:16 PM  

chawco: I agree with a lot of this. I had cancer years ago, it sucked, for a little while it looked like I might die. Bad stuff. People wear that like a badge of honor, or some great cross they carry that everyone has to acknowledge and say how brave they are. They are a survivor.
fark that. Its a shiatty illness, you have little control over how it progresses (but lots of control over how you choose to deal with it), and if you're lucky and the doctors are good (they usually are), you live, and get on with your life. If not, you die a way so many others have died.
I dont judge people for wearing the 'survivor' mantle like a badge of honor, I think for a lot of people its a traumatizing experience. But I don't really like it either.
Sometimes life is shiat, it shouldn't be bragging rights for who had the shiattiest thing happen. But.for some people it is..


I don't like the word "survivor" for most things. Even cancer. It's not like you have a plan to survive it. You just got lucky. Rape survivor, domestic abuse survivor--like what else would you do, if you aren't killed or die from your disease? You go on living. Some of us have a lot tougher road than others. But we all survive, until we don't.
And some choose not to survive. What do you call them, domestic abuse giver-uppers? Cancer giver-uppers? I'm sure they were trying just as hard to survive, until they just couldn't anymore.
 
2021-09-15 1:16:44 PM  

bulsd: LL316: Wow.  That's hard to listen to.

Who's the other guy?  I don't recognize the voice.

Sounds Like Chris Hardwick.


It is.  I found this because I'm subscribed to that "I'm not Norm" YouTube channel.  That YouTuber didn't reveal where this is from or from when in the description, but someone in the media noticed this too, and I just found that:  (its on a banned site with pop up ads or something like that I can't link to but the headline is "After Norm Macdonald's Death, This 2016 Interview Explains It All" if you want to search for it).

It confirms its Hardwick, and says it's from 2016.  When Norm DEFINITELY had cancer.

That article also has this tidbit:

"A close friend told Deadline that Macdonald hid the diagnosis from not only fans but also his close friends and family members.".

Which goes against my own speculation just a few minutes ago.

The Deadline piece has more too:  https://deadline.com/2021/09/no​rm-macd​onald-dead-obituary-comedian-saturday-​night-live-weekend-update-anchor-was-6​1-1234833212/

"Macdonald's death was announced to Deadline by his management firm Brillstein Entertainment. The comedian's longtime producing partner and friend Lori Jo Hoekstra, who was with him when he died, said Macdonald had been battling cancer for nearly a decade but was determined to keep his health struggles private, away from family, friends and fans.

"He was most proud of his comedy," Hoekstra said. "He never wanted the diagnosis to affect the way the audience or any of his loved ones saw him. Norm was a pure comic. He once wrote that 'a joke should catch someone by surprise, it should never pander.' He certainly never pandered. Norm will be missed terribly.""
 
2021-09-15 1:17:37 PM  
I'm just now reminded that Norm (supposedly) dated an in-her-prime Elle MacPhearson and didn't want anyone to know about it. Not surprising he wasn't into people knowing about him having cancer
 
2021-09-15 1:24:41 PM  

TDWCom29: I'm just now reminded that Norm (supposedly) dated an in-her-prime Elle MacPhearson and didn't want anyone to know about it. Not surprising he wasn't into people knowing about him having cancer


Searching that, apparently it came from Artie Lange, who definitely knew Norm well, but who, honestly, isn't very trustworthy.  It could be true.  Or a joke.  Or something Artie imagined when he was high.
 
2021-09-15 1:24:45 PM  
Norm is dead on. (Bad choice of words.) the man had humility, something in very short supply nowadays.
Nobody knows anything about my personal business either. If it's SERIOUS. I get it completely. If I get married, you're invited to the party. If I die, you'll find out.
 
2021-09-15 1:36:51 PM  

dittybopper: Dimensio: CarnySaur: I'm sure there were people that knew he had it.  As he mentions in the interview, it's just not something he talked about.

Reportedly, a few close friends knew.

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You wanna know who knew?  I'll tell ya.....

Frank Stallone knew!
 
2021-09-15 1:46:41 PM  

Exile On Beale Street: I'm sure this has been posted, but bears repeating [iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/mFjEvl43​zYY?autoplay=1&widget_referrer=https%3​A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&start=0&enablejsap​i=1&origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&​widgetid=1]


"If something is true, it is not sentimental." Norm McDonald.
I never followed this guy too closely because honest to god, I would have started stalking him.
 
2021-09-15 1:46:46 PM  

Exile On Beale Street: That really is a great movie. [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/e0zb_baT​zkk]


Seconding this. The Straight Story is one of those things that everybody needs to see.
 
2021-09-15 2:11:16 PM  
Can't believe NBC let an exec fire Norm from SNL for doing O.J. jokes.
 
2021-09-15 2:17:50 PM  

nanim: Can't believe NBC let an exec fire Norm from SNL for doing O.J. jokes.


Know how I know you've never worked for or with NBC?
 
2021-09-15 2:22:51 PM  

nanim: Can't believe NBC let an exec fire Norm from SNL for doing O.J. jokes.


It's hard to communicate now how divided opinions were on OJ back then, when now virtually zero people see him as innocent.  Norm didn't care.  He didn't see any racial aspect to the OJ jokes.  It was in fact, even funnier to him because people DID get upset.

Norm Macdonald Constant Shitting on OJ Simpson
Youtube 2SSVIg4Noqc
 
2021-09-15 2:26:24 PM  
Even MORE Norm OJ jokes (there were apparently too many for one video):

Norm Macdonald Constant Shitting on OJ Simpson Part 2
Youtube TCSCJtuyfUY
 
2021-09-15 3:07:09 PM  
You know what, I'm going to disagree with that macho bs about not telling anyone and suffering in silence or heaven forbid just blowing your head off like he referred to that great character actor.

Life is short enough.  let people lift you up before they lay you down.
 
2021-09-15 3:20:54 PM  

You Are All Sheep: let people lift you up before they lay you down.


Congrats. You just cured suicide.
 
2021-09-15 3:32:29 PM  

You Are All Sheep: You know what, I'm going to disagree with that macho bs about not telling anyone and suffering in silence or heaven forbid just blowing your head off like he referred to that great character actor.

Life is short enough.  let people lift you up before they lay you down.


To me the interesting part isn't what Norm believed about burdening people.  It's that he was respected deeply enough that his wishes were honored and his secret got kept.

There's also the aspect that he hated pity, and yeah that means his idea about "burdening" people might have been a crock of shiate.  He didn't want to feel burdened BY pity.  I don't know if it's machismo or not. He definitely had this weird duality where he both wanted people to know him, but also not really.  I think he got off a bit on the "comedian's comedian" thing, kind of being above normal concerns over being popular, and so made some decisions based on never seeming to care about mostly things, publicly.
 
2021-09-15 3:45:58 PM  

cryinoutloud: chawco: I agree with a lot of this. I had cancer years ago, it sucked, for a little while it looked like I might die. Bad stuff. People wear that like a badge of honor, or some great cross they carry that everyone has to acknowledge and say how brave they are. They are a survivor.
fark that. Its a shiatty illness, you have little control over how it progresses (but lots of control over how you choose to deal with it), and if you're lucky and the doctors are good (they usually are), you live, and get on with your life. If not, you die a way so many others have died.
I dont judge people for wearing the 'survivor' mantle like a badge of honor, I think for a lot of people its a traumatizing experience. But I don't really like it either.
Sometimes life is shiat, it shouldn't be bragging rights for who had the shiattiest thing happen. But.for some people it is..

I don't like the word "survivor" for most things. Even cancer. It's not like you have a plan to survive it. You just got lucky. Rape survivor, domestic abuse survivor--like what else would you do, if you aren't killed or die from your disease? You go on living. Some of us have a lot tougher road than others. But we all survive, until we don't.
And some choose not to survive. What do you call them, domestic abuse giver-uppers? Cancer giver-uppers? I'm sure they were trying just as hard to survive, until they just couldn't anymore.


Survivor to me mostly means lucky.

Like the guys that made it on the beach in Normandy, it's pretty much random who went down and who didn't.  The bullets that were fired didn't care if you could do 200 push ups, or if you ate bacon morning, noon, and night.  Sure, if you were a sprinter you might have a miniscule edge on the fat guy getting to some cover but it doesn't amount to much.

Seems the same with cancer, or heart attacks, or, or, or, ad nauseum.  We're pretty fragile meat bags.
 
2021-09-15 5:56:49 PM  

You Are All Sheep: You know what, I'm going to disagree with that macho bs about not telling anyone and suffering in silence or heaven forbid just blowing your head off like he referred to that great character actor.

Life is short enough.  let people lift you up before they lay you down.


I didn't get anything "macho" about his reasons for going it alone, I heard him saying he didn't want it to define the last years of his life or his relationships with others. He was not trying to be macho, he just wanted life to end on his terms and not being pitied or having relationships change because of cancer. Also, I didn't hear him saying everyone should feel that way about cancer or other ailments in life, just that he didn't want cancer to define the end of his life.

Just like his comedy, most comedians couldn't or wouldn't do and say the things he said because it could ruin their career, but he did it his own way because it made him happy and made him laugh.
 
2021-09-15 8:30:54 PM  

Kris_Romm: bulsd: LL316: Wow.  That's hard to listen to.

Who's the other guy?  I don't recognize the voice.

Sounds Like Chris Hardwick.

It is.  I found this because I'm subscribed to that "I'm not Norm" YouTube channel.  That YouTuber didn't reveal where this is from or from when in the description, but someone in the media noticed this too, and I just found that:  (its on a banned site with pop up ads or something like that I can't link to but the headline is "After Norm Macdonald's Death, This 2016 Interview Explains It All" if you want to search for it).

It confirms its Hardwick, and says it's from 2016.  When Norm DEFINITELY had cancer.

That article also has this tidbit:

"A close friend told Deadline that Macdonald hid the diagnosis from not only fans but also his close friends and family members.".

Which goes against my own speculation just a few minutes ago.

The Deadline piece has more too:  https://deadline.com/2021/09/nor​m-macdonald-dead-obituary-comedian-sat​urday-night-live-weekend-update-anchor​-was-61-1234833212/

"Macdonald's death was announced to Deadline by his management firm Brillstein Entertainment. The comedian's longtime producing partner and friend Lori Jo Hoekstra, who was with him when he died, said Macdonald had been battling cancer for nearly a decade but was determined to keep his health struggles private, away from family, friends and fans.

"He was most proud of his comedy," Hoekstra said. "He never wanted the diagnosis to affect the way the audience or any of his loved ones saw him. Norm was a pure comic. He once wrote that 'a joke should catch someone by surprise, it should never pander.' He certainly never pandered. Norm will be missed terribly.""


I know a dude who met him in a couple hour laid back social affair about 2 years ago (ironically who also has his own battle with cancer going) - I remember him saying Norm didn't look well. It was a sit down next to each other and make small chat for hours type situation.
 
2021-09-15 9:05:03 PM  
It's hard to listen to him referring to his stand-up self in the past tense in that interview.
 
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