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2021-09-14 5:29:16 PM  
huevos verde y jamon
 
2021-09-14 5:32:53 PM  
"If I can't rule America, I'm going to destroy America." - Every GQP member.
 
2021-09-14 5:47:13 PM  
Didn't Moscow Mitch say it was up to Democrats to raise the ceiling?
 
2021-09-14 6:05:15 PM  

enry: Didn't Moscow Mitch say it was up to Democrats to raise the ceiling?


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2021-09-14 6:21:47 PM  
I hope Cruz grows more facial hair so we see even less of his repulsive face
 
2021-09-14 6:51:41 PM  
Ok, so pull all money going to TX..should help the debt ceiling and further show how TX can't survive without the feds.
 
2021-09-14 9:06:23 PM  
Maybe Cruz can disgust Manchin into action.
 
2021-09-14 9:49:55 PM  
Well there is the ever popular really raise taxes to pay for stuff option
 
2021-09-14 10:10:27 PM  

AlgaeRancher: Well there is the ever popular really raise taxes to pay for stuff option


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2021-09-14 11:36:21 PM  
Such an insane system where every 6 months the government rescue total shutdown over partisan politics because for some reason there's a limit to the debt ceiling, which every 6 months you have to raise because putting a limit on the debt ceiling has had zero actual impact on spending or reductions in Revenue.

How is this still think? How is neither party just eliminated the stupid requirement?

Of all the crazy things in American politics, I have always found this to be one of the most crazy. Sooner or later it's going to tank the entire economy, as America begins to see its credit rating plummet
 
2021-09-15 12:14:32 AM  
F*ck you, Ted. Eat a dick.
 
2021-09-15 12:15:47 AM  

lolmao500: Declare him an enemy of the state and send his ass to Gitmo


Just make him actually get up and talk!
 
2021-09-15 12:16:39 AM  

chawco: Such an insane system where every 6 months the government rescue total shutdown over partisan politics because for some reason there's a limit to the debt ceiling, which every 6 months you have to raise because putting a limit on the debt ceiling has had zero actual impact on spending or reductions in Revenue.

How is this still think? How is neither party just eliminated the stupid requirement?

Of all the crazy things in American politics, I have always found this to be one of the most crazy. Sooner or later it's going to tank the entire economy, as America begins to see its credit rating plummet


I agree with everything I think you said, and I wonder if it was booze or a phone that made me wonder what you said.

Thumb typing vs vodak typing - this is the new dilemma.  ;)
 
2021-09-15 12:17:34 AM  
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2021-09-15 12:27:35 AM  
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Do it.

Crush the economy in a slow September as big businesses are slowly realizing who their allies in Washington are as they double talk masks and vaccines slowing the recovery and the economy.

Just push that big Jenga tower over Cruz. So we can all ask what farking purpose you serve in Washington.
 
2021-09-15 12:32:39 AM  

plecos: Ok, so pull all money going to TX..should help the debt ceiling and further show how TX can't survive without the feds.


Yup...

"Okey dokey, so we have an $X shortfall, looks like we can make a lot of that up if we shiatcan all the federal dollars going to Texas, Missouri and Kentucky for sending Cruz, Hawley and McConnell to poison the Senate."
 
2021-09-15 12:33:11 AM  
The wrong tourist keep getting kidnapped in Cancun.
 
2021-09-15 12:36:26 AM  
I'd like to see a Democrat get up, right before it's Rafael's turn to speak and just lay into him like it's a Comedy Central roast. Then hand over the mic to him.
 
2021-09-15 12:37:27 AM  
Hey, he's doing that thing they did before which is why the US lost its high credit rating! Thanks, dickface!
 
2021-09-15 12:40:49 AM  
So he's replaying his greatest hits that were disastrous the first time he did them?

Yeah, that'll work.
 
2021-09-15 12:42:08 AM  
Maybe this time he'll read from those Dr. Seuss books they no longer print.
 
2021-09-15 12:46:18 AM  

KodosZardoz: So he's replaying his greatest hits that were disastrous the first time he did them?

Yeah, that'll work.


They keep saying that the reason doing this proves unpopular is the keep blinking rather than completing the game of chicken.

And each time they do it the number of Republicans who think a crash would be the best outcome make up a larger part of the Senate. So hey: who is the fool here?
 
2021-09-15 12:48:15 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: [Fark user image 283x178]

Do it.

Crush the economy in a slow September as big businesses are slowly realizing who their allies in Washington are as they double talk masks and vaccines slowing the recovery and the economy.

Just push that big Jenga tower over Cruz. So we can all ask what farking purpose you serve in Washington.


I agree with this. Make them get in line or blow it all up. Anything less is abuse.
 
2021-09-15 12:55:08 AM  

AlgaeRancher: Well there is the ever popular really raise taxes to pay for stuff option


Which won't help this at all.  The debt ceiling is about how many T-bills the Treasury can sell to pay for ongoing costs.  It is like the payroll loans businesses take out to pay wages and then have to pay back over the month.  Let's say we raise taxes such that you pay the inverse of your "percenter" status - so, the 1% pay a 99% tax rate.  That will go into effect next April.  And won't stop the US defaulting in a couple weeks at all.  And at that point, the tax increase will be meaningless, because the federal government and US economy will be a smoking crater.  The US debt and the US debt ceiling are related but separate issues.  The debt is a long-term, structural problem that will take time to fix.  Raising the debt limit is a short-term, administrative issue.  It is paying your credit card bill while the US debt is getting a better job.  The latter makes the former easier to deal with, but not doing the former doesn't help the latter.  And actually, considering the repercussions of not raising the debt limit, it is more like quitting your current job as a way to refuse to pay your credit card bill while actively sabotaging your future job prospects by taking out a billboard proclaiming you jack it hourly to kiddie porn.
 
2021-09-15 12:59:24 AM  

KodosZardoz: Maybe this time he'll read from those Dr. Seuss books they no longer print.


They don't even have to do that anymore. They just say "I'm starting a filibuster" and all of a sudden you need 60 votes rather than 51.

Dumbest thing ever.  At least re-institute the "Talking Filibuster"
 
2021-09-15 1:08:34 AM  

Dangl1ng: Night Train to Wakanda: [Fark user image 283x178]

Do it.

Crush the economy in a slow September as big businesses are slowly realizing who their allies in Washington are as they double talk masks and vaccines slowing the recovery and the economy.

Just push that big Jenga tower over Cruz. So we can all ask what farking purpose you serve in Washington.

I agree with this. Make them get in line or blow it all up. Anything less is abuse.


No, you farking fool!  The US is required by the Constitution to repay all debts.  This isn't a negotiable issue.  If the debt ceiling is not raised, then the US can't sell T-Bills to pay for interest payments coming due.  Every other outlay has to be suspended to do that.  So, the federal government has to just stop any other activities to service those interest payments.  it isn't a government shutdown in the sense of "Hurr, hurr, Des Moines Department of the Interior secretaries don't go into work, hurr, hurr".  It is a government shutdown in the sense of "If you rely on federal money in any way, you get to starve".  And it pretty much ends the federal government's ability to raise money in the future.  Because of that "We will pay no matter what" clause, US T-bills are the gold standard in parking your money.  We will pay you no matter what - even to the extent of murderizing our own citizens to do it.  Hell, in the Obama years, the rate of return was negative.  The US guaranteed you that if you gave it $100, you would get $97 back in three years - we'd just keep the $3 because fark you.  And people were shivving each other in the back to give us $100.  Because they knew that no matter the ups and downs of the economy, they were getting $97.  There might be ways to get more, but there were a whole hell of a lot of ways to get less.  IF you take that security away, no one gives us money, and we have no federal outlays.  And that means no US economy.  Zimbabwe will look at us and pity us.  Somalia will send us aid.  This isn't "the wake-up call for the Great Holy Revolution" - this is using a .45 to cure a mild headache.
 
2021-09-15 1:19:14 AM  

catch10110: chawco: Such an insane system where every 6 months the government rescue total shutdown over partisan politics because for some reason there's a limit to the debt ceiling, which every 6 months you have to raise because putting a limit on the debt ceiling has had zero actual impact on spending or reductions in Revenue.

How is this still think? How is neither party just eliminated the stupid requirement?

Of all the crazy things in American politics, I have always found this to be one of the most crazy. Sooner or later it's going to tank the entire economy, as America begins to see its credit rating plummet

I agree with everything I think you said, and I wonder if it was booze or a phone that made me wonder what you said.

Thumb typing vs vodak typing - this is the new dilemma.  ;)


Mostly thumbs, but occasionally, bad voice to text transition!
 
2021-09-15 1:53:52 AM  

Conservative Evangelical Millennial Cyclist: [Fark user image 425x592]


So not snikt, more like schlorp? Or plarp?
 
2021-09-15 1:54:17 AM  
Didn't Cruz already do this stunt before, costing US taxpayers over a billion dollars in his pointless effort?
 
2021-09-15 2:10:15 AM  
Going for a repeat of 2013?

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He cost the country billions of dollars last time.. how's he going at paying us back?  Any progress?
 
2021-09-15 2:10:25 AM  
Strange how Cruz stopped caring about the debt ceiling for four years.
 
2021-09-15 2:23:28 AM  
Maybe someone should stake Raphael's room key and make him try and get in thru the bathroom window.
 
2021-09-15 2:33:14 AM  
Just crash the dollar already. I'm tired of pretending my 401k is meaningful and that my retirement will consist of anything more than fighting the neighbors for the grubs we find in tree  bark.
 
2021-09-15 2:45:49 AM  
Ted Cruz: a spineless toady who always falls in line when McConnell tells him to and tells people to vote for the guy who insulted him and his wife on national television. Can he just get COVID and die already? (I know, the POS is vaccinated, but there's still a chance with all those good ol' boys letting it mutate in Texas)
 
2021-09-15 2:54:42 AM  

phalamir: AlgaeRancher: Well there is the ever popular really raise taxes to pay for stuff option

Which won't help this at all.  The debt ceiling is about how many T-bills the Treasury can sell to pay for ongoing costs.  It is like the payroll loans businesses take out to pay wages and then have to pay back over the month.  Let's say we raise taxes such that you pay the inverse of your "percenter" status - so, the 1% pay a 99% tax rate.  That will go into effect next April.  And won't stop the US defaulting in a couple weeks at all.  And at that point, the tax increase will be meaningless, because the federal government and US economy will be a smoking crater.  The US debt and the US debt ceiling are related but separate issues.  The debt is a long-term, structural problem that will take time to fix.  Raising the debt limit is a short-term, administrative issue.  It is paying your credit card bill while the US debt is getting a better job.  The latter makes the former easier to deal with, but not doing the former doesn't help the latter.  And actually, considering the repercussions of not raising the debt limit, it is more like quitting your current job as a way to refuse to pay your credit card bill while actively sabotaging your future job prospects by taking out a billboard proclaiming you jack it hourly to kiddie porn.


Thanks for this explanation.
 
2021-09-15 3:23:22 AM  
Reminder: a significant number of Democrats think the Senate rule that makes this shiat possible, a rule they could change at anytime,is vital to a "functioning" democracy.
 
2021-09-15 3:36:45 AM  
chawco:

How is this still think?

Republicans turned it into a political football when they realised they could use it as leverage against the Democrats, and conservatives like Manchin won't allow any attempt to change it back because he realises he can use it for leverage.

In other words, assholes found a hostage that they can abuse annually for their own personal vendettas.
 
2021-09-15 3:45:45 AM  

Ravage: KodosZardoz: Maybe this time he'll read from those Dr. Seuss books they no longer print.

They don't even have to do that anymore. They just say "I'm starting a filibuster" and all of a sudden you need 60 votes rather than 51.

Dumbest thing ever.  At least re-institute the "Talking Filibuster"


One of Fark's resident GEDs in law will be by shortly to tell you there was no such thing as a talking filibuster.
 
2021-09-15 3:47:21 AM  

feltrider: Reminder: a significant number of Democrats think the Senate rule that makes this shiat possible, a rule they could change at anytime,is vital to a "functioning" democracy.


A rule, note, that literally no other parliamentary body on Earth has, ever did have, or would tolerate for even a moment.
 
2021-09-15 3:56:24 AM  

UndeadPoetsSociety: feltrider: Reminder: a significant number of Democrats think the Senate rule that makes this shiat possible, a rule they could change at anytime,is vital to a "functioning" democracy.

A rule, note, that literally no other parliamentary body on Earth has, ever did have, or would tolerate for even a moment.


There have been worse. The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth's liberum veto required all decisions to be unanimous which might sound noble in theory but had predictable results when put into practice. Choice quote: "For a period of 30 years around the reign of Augustus III, only one session was able to pass legislation (1734-1763). The government was near collapse, giving rise to the term "Polish anarchy", and the country was managed by provincial assemblies and magnates."
 
2021-09-15 4:45:37 AM  
Congress will never fail to raise the debt ceiling because they'd be cancelling their own paychecks

... and all that all that sweet, sweet cocaine isn't going to buy itself.

Oh, you know what else they'd lose besides their nose candy fund?  Their free healthcare.  Their free housing.  Their free airfare.  Their free bodyguards... and right at a time when everyone is thinking about much better we'd be with some "turnover" in our government.

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2021-09-15 4:59:28 AM  

phalamir: Dangl1ng: Night Train to Wakanda: [Fark user image 283x178]

Do it.

Crush the economy in a slow September as big businesses are slowly realizing who their allies in Washington are as they double talk masks and vaccines slowing the recovery and the economy.

Just push that big Jenga tower over Cruz. So we can all ask what farking purpose you serve in Washington.

I agree with this. Make them get in line or blow it all up. Anything less is abuse.

No, you farking fool!  The US is required by the Constitution to repay all debts.  This isn't a negotiable issue.  If the debt ceiling is not raised, then the US can't sell T-Bills to pay for interest payments coming due.  Every other outlay has to be suspended to do that.  So, the federal government has to just stop any other activities to service those interest payments.  it isn't a government shutdown in the sense of "Hurr, hurr, Des Moines Department of the Interior secretaries don't go into work, hurr, hurr".  It is a government shutdown in the sense of "If you rely on federal money in any way, you get to starve".  And it pretty much ends the federal government's ability to raise money in the future.  Because of that "We will pay no matter what" clause, US T-bills are the gold standard in parking your money.  We will pay you no matter what - even to the extent of murderizing our own citizens to do it.  Hell, in the Obama years, the rate of return was negative.  The US guaranteed you that if you gave it $100, you would get $97 back in three years - we'd just keep the $3 because fark you.  And people were shivving each other in the back to give us $100.  Because they knew that no matter the ups and downs of the economy, they were getting $97.  There might be ways to get more, but there were a whole hell of a lot of ways to get less.  IF you take that security away, no one gives us money, and we have no federal outlays.  And that means no US economy.  Zimbabwe will look at us and pity us.  Somalia will send us aid.  This isn't "the wake-up call for the Great Holy Revolution" - this is using a .45 to cure a mild headache.


Counterpoint: stugged libs

Chaise closed, lunchbox
 
2021-09-15 6:27:26 AM  
The Republicans would rather see the nation default, the dollar become worthless, and the economy destroyed than let a Democrat carry out normal business. They are all traitors, every one.
 
2021-09-15 6:39:07 AM  
Dems need to raise the debt ceiling to a Googol Bucks and be done with it.
 
2021-09-15 6:55:56 AM  
A real AG would be handing out subpoenas and taking names. Never play with fire or you WILL get burned.
 
2021-09-15 8:13:25 AM  
Wouldn't it be nice if banks and credit card companies could use these public records when evaluating future loans for these legislators.

Sorry, you just borrowed six billion dollars and then deferred that debt to your great-grandchildren. Your application for a Visa card is rejected, and you're flagged, so don't try again within your lifetime.
 
2021-09-15 8:28:32 AM  
Time for a real filibuster.

1. the opposed party must have 40 members on the floor at all times.
2. A member of the opposition must be speaking at all times.
3. No employees of the opposition may speak.
4. No reading of the bill.
5. No campaigning.
6. A gap in speech of more than five minutes or only 39 members on the floor breaks the filibuster.
7. Once broken a vote must follow within 24 hours. Only a majority is needed for passage.
8. No further filibuster is allowed on the bill.
 
2021-09-15 8:55:42 AM  
Democrats have to raise or better yet abolish the ceiling. There's no other option. If a republican truly filibusters and no republicans vote for the bill than the democrats will have to abolish the filibuster. Once they do they're free to start passing all the other laws they want to. Republicans know that the filibuster is the one thing protecting them. They won't push the democrats to actually abolish it. Either Cruz is just posturing or enough safe republicans will vote to raise the ceiling to avoid the filibuster. This is a pr pretend version of a threat and democrats should ignore Cruz. He wants the attention and he wants democrats to argue for "spending more money". Instead they should hand waive any questions about Cruz and carry on like it's the meaningless vote it is. Make zero concessions, downplay it in the media, send a clean bill the day before the last day possible and tell the republicans to sign it or the next bill is an omnibus bill to remove the filibuster and pass the debt ceiling yourselves as part of a comprehensive bill including infrastructure and voting rights.
 
2021-09-15 9:45:05 AM  

GitOffaMyLawn: "If I can't rule America, I'm going to destroy America." - Every GQP member.


Better to reign in Hell than serve democracy.
 
2021-09-15 10:04:31 AM  

natazha: Time for a real filibuster.

1. the opposed party must have 40 members on the floor at all times.
2. A member of the opposition must be speaking at all times.
3. No employees of the opposition may speak.
4. No reading of the bill.
5. No campaigning.
6. A gap in speech of more than five minutes or only 39 members on the floor breaks the filibuster.
7. Once broken a vote must follow within 24 hours. Only a majority is needed for passage.
8. No further filibuster is allowed on the bill.


Or, alternatively, we just get rid of it.
 
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