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(NPR)   Stunning new report finds that helping the poor reduces poverty. Subby assumes they also investigated papal prayer habits and ursine defecation areas   (npr.org) divider line
    More: Obvious, Poverty in the United States, Household income in the United States, Midwestern United States, United States Census Bureau, United States, United States Census, Median household income, Supplemental Poverty Measure rate  
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2021-09-14 9:10:03 PM  
8 votes:
Well, the past year has basically been an experiment in UBI. It works. It is cheaper than the alternative. Let's do it.
 
2021-09-14 9:48:35 PM  
7 votes:

austerity101: Well it's a good thing that the federal government cut off all supplemental help over Labor Day weekend, then. We can't be going around letting poor people know that better things are possible.

Neither party has any interest in helping the poor. With the Republicans, this is obvious, but let's not pretend that the Democrats, as a party, care at all that benefits just ended. No one in government is talking about it. No one cares. Guess we'll starve and die, I guess.


The Democratic party - most of the party, and certainly the leadership - are avowed Capitalists.

Capitalism requires an exploitable underclass, and the less the underclass suffers, the harder it is for the owner class to exploit them.

That is why Democrats are willing to act in support of social issues like gay marriage or trans rights, but unwilling to act on economic ones, like raising the minimum wage, healthcare for all, decoupled from employment, recognizing housing as a human right, or publicly funding higher education and forgiving student loan debt.

See also: Juneteenth is a holiday now, but the systemic racism inherent to American policing remains unaddressed.
 
2021-09-14 9:07:02 PM  
5 votes:
This is why the GQP It's so anxious to end on the unemployment and other pandemic relief measures. I mean intelligent people know that the entire modern GOP platform is complete horseshiat, but they really don't want back and white proof staring them in the face.
 
2021-09-14 9:39:00 PM  
5 votes:
Well it's a good thing that the federal government cut off all supplemental help over Labor Day weekend, then. We can't be going around letting poor people know that better things are possible.

Neither party has any interest in helping the poor. With the Republicans, this is obvious, but let's not pretend that the Democrats, as a party, care at all that benefits just ended. No one in government is talking about it. No one cares. Guess we'll starve and die, I guess.
 
2021-09-14 9:32:26 PM  
4 votes:

durbnpoisn: The liberals seem to be pretty well in agreement with this concept.  The conservatives are the only ones that don't agree with it.  To paraphrase Scrooge, "well then they should die and decrease the surplus population."

It's essentially true that the conservatives feel that if you are poor, it's your own damned fault because you're lazy.  And providing ANY help at all will just contribute to your laziness.

And that is about as far as they look into the issue.


Openly, sure, but then there's the real reason conservatives hate welfare. People need to be cripplingly impoverished so that they'll take whatever shiatty, underpaying, exploitative job without complaint, because the alternative is a slow, agonizing death.
 
2021-09-14 9:36:43 PM  
3 votes:

durbnpoisn: The liberals seem to be pretty well in agreement with this concept.  The conservatives are the only ones that don't agree with it.  To paraphrase Scrooge, "well then they should die and decrease the surplus population."

It's essentially true that the conservatives feel that if you are poor, it's your own damned fault because you're lazy.  And providing ANY help at all will just contribute to your laziness.

And that is about as far as they look into the issue.


But any help they've received was deserved and hard earned, and any successes they've experienced completely based on their hard work and sticktoativeness.
 
2021-09-14 9:37:27 PM  
3 votes:

Name Withheld: Why is the poverty threshold so low? Is anyone under the illusion that a family of four is living well on $26,000 a year? Like it's great that people are above that threshold now, but I mean, come on...


Because the country has a vested interest in making its poverty rate as low as possible, they fudge the numbers to exclude people. Way easier than actually helping them.
 
2021-09-14 9:43:39 PM  
3 votes:

Name Withheld: Why is the poverty threshold so low? Is anyone under the illusion that a family of four is living well on $26,000 a year? Like it's great that people are above that threshold now, but I mean, come on...


The more accurate the poverty threshold, the larger the percentage of the population officially in poverty.

The larger the percentage of the population in officially in poverty, the harder it is to justify not doing anything to help them.
 
2021-09-14 10:07:58 PM  
3 votes:
LBJ's war on poverty was working, unfortunately we also had to fight them damn commies in Vietnam which killed millions (both sides) and burned up billions of dollars.

As soon as Reagan got in it was an immediate attack on all of Johnson's programs and has been ever since
 
2021-09-14 10:08:34 PM  
3 votes:

PlaidJaguar: austerity101: Well it's a good thing that the federal government cut off all supplemental help over Labor Day weekend, then. We can't be going around letting poor people know that better things are possible.

Neither party has any interest in helping the poor. With the Republicans, this is obvious, but let's not pretend that the Democrats, as a party, care at all that benefits just ended. No one in government is talking about it. No one cares. Guess we'll starve and die, I guess.

The Democratic party - most of the party, and certainly the leadership - are avowed Capitalists.

Capitalism requires an exploitable underclass, and the less the underclass suffers, the harder it is for the owner class to exploit them.

That is why Democrats are willing to act in support of social issues like gay marriage or trans rights, but unwilling to act on economic ones, like raising the minimum wage, healthcare for all, decoupled from employment, recognizing housing as a human right, or publicly funding higher education and forgiving student loan debt.

See also: Juneteenth is a holiday now, but the systemic racism inherent to American policing remains unaddressed.


This is a wonderful way of explaining exactly how the government operates.

They will throw us a bone once in a while, to make it look like they are doing important things.  But they aren't doing a damn thing to address the real issues.  And they have not intention of doing that.

Then they will spend the next years pretending everything is fine because society got something they wanted.
 
2021-09-14 10:23:18 PM  
2 votes:

SaturnShadow: bobug: Well, the past year has basically been an experiment in UBI. It works. It is cheaper than the alternative. Let's do it.

Well, we're doing it for children (the monthly tax credit payments)
Adults are scum, apparently?


I guess I am a weirdo. I don't think anybody should be homeless or hungry or have to work 100 hours a week, unless they want to.
 
2021-09-14 11:33:32 PM  
2 votes:

bobug: SaturnShadow: bobug: Well, the past year has basically been an experiment in UBI. It works. It is cheaper than the alternative. Let's do it.

Well, we're doing it for children (the monthly tax credit payments)
Adults are scum, apparently?

I guess I am a weirdo. I don't think anybody should be homeless or hungry or have to work 100 hours a week, unless they want to.


Agreed. Especially in one of the wealthiest countries in the world. Smh
 
2021-09-14 5:28:35 PM  
1 vote:
Ok well since stimulus is not going to be a forever thing those might be short term gains.
 
2021-09-14 9:22:15 PM  
1 vote:

recondite cetacean: The poverty threshold is an income of about $26,000 for a family of four, or about $13,000 for "an individual. "

Two kids cost nothing????


Perhaps it's because of what they are putting into the equation.  Some things like a house (or rent), utilities, cell phone, car, etc...  They cost the same as they would if you have kids or not.

But in effect, you are right.  Kids have a slew of other expenses that single people wouldn't have.
 
2021-09-14 9:31:10 PM  
1 vote:
Why is the poverty threshold so low? Is anyone under the illusion that a family of four is living well on $26,000 a year? Like it's great that people are above that threshold now, but I mean, come on...
 
2021-09-14 9:50:09 PM  
1 vote:
Mitchell and Webb - Kill The Poor
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2021-09-14 9:54:23 PM  
1 vote:
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2021-09-14 10:20:19 PM  
1 vote:

Be polite walk on the right: helping the poor is a waste of time, get off your asses you lazy frkkin bastiges


It's actually cheaper to the whole system to get them homed and with enough coin to cover their food and bills than spend nothing and leave them to rot.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi​c​s/2017/7/20/15821560/basic-income-crit​iques-cost-work-negative-income-tax
 
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