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(NPR)   Stunning new report finds that helping the poor reduces poverty. Subby assumes they also investigated papal prayer habits and ursine defecation areas   (npr.org) divider line
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5 days ago  
Ok well since stimulus is not going to be a forever thing those might be short term gains.
 
5 days ago  
Ric Romero Institute for this one?
 
5 days ago  
This is why the GQP It's so anxious to end on the unemployment and other pandemic relief measures. I mean intelligent people know that the entire modern GOP platform is complete horseshiat, but they really don't want back and white proof staring them in the face.
 
5 days ago  
Well, the past year has basically been an experiment in UBI. It works. It is cheaper than the alternative. Let's do it.
 
5 days ago  
The liberals seem to be pretty well in agreement with this concept.  The conservatives are the only ones that don't agree with it.  To paraphrase Scrooge, "well then they should die and decrease the surplus population."

It's essentially true that the conservatives feel that if you are poor, it's your own damned fault because you're lazy.  And providing ANY help at all will just contribute to your laziness.

And that is about as far as they look into the issue.
 
5 days ago  
The poverty threshold is an income of about $26,000 for a family of four, or about $13,000 for "an individual. "

Two kids cost nothing????
 
5 days ago  

recondite cetacean: The poverty threshold is an income of about $26,000 for a family of four, or about $13,000 for "an individual. "

Two kids cost nothing????


I don't think they're supposed to be allowed to bring in income. Unless, of course, you're exploiting them for content on YouTube or TikTok or whatever other bullsh*t.
 
5 days ago  

recondite cetacean: The poverty threshold is an income of about $26,000 for a family of four, or about $13,000 for "an individual. "

Two kids cost nothing????


Perhaps it's because of what they are putting into the equation.  Some things like a house (or rent), utilities, cell phone, car, etc...  They cost the same as they would if you have kids or not.

But in effect, you are right.  Kids have a slew of other expenses that single people wouldn't have.
 
5 days ago  
Sharing resources can bring down two people's costs, but you can't argue that 2 kids balances that out. A 13 year old cannot be that inexpensive.
 
5 days ago  
Those yachts won't buy themselves. Think of the poor abandoned yachts. Not yachting on open waters within 3 miles of a harbor with a billionaire on board for a whole 3 days a year. Won't someone put the poor yachts first?
 
5 days ago  
Why is the poverty threshold so low? Is anyone under the illusion that a family of four is living well on $26,000 a year? Like it's great that people are above that threshold now, but I mean, come on...
 
5 days ago  

durbnpoisn: The liberals seem to be pretty well in agreement with this concept.  The conservatives are the only ones that don't agree with it.  To paraphrase Scrooge, "well then they should die and decrease the surplus population."

It's essentially true that the conservatives feel that if you are poor, it's your own damned fault because you're lazy.  And providing ANY help at all will just contribute to your laziness.

And that is about as far as they look into the issue.


Openly, sure, but then there's the real reason conservatives hate welfare. People need to be cripplingly impoverished so that they'll take whatever shiatty, underpaying, exploitative job without complaint, because the alternative is a slow, agonizing death.
 
5 days ago  

durbnpoisn: The liberals seem to be pretty well in agreement with this concept.  The conservatives are the only ones that don't agree with it.  To paraphrase Scrooge, "well then they should die and decrease the surplus population."

It's essentially true that the conservatives feel that if you are poor, it's your own damned fault because you're lazy.  And providing ANY help at all will just contribute to your laziness.

And that is about as far as they look into the issue.


But any help they've received was deserved and hard earned, and any successes they've experienced completely based on their hard work and sticktoativeness.
 
5 days ago  

Name Withheld: Why is the poverty threshold so low? Is anyone under the illusion that a family of four is living well on $26,000 a year? Like it's great that people are above that threshold now, but I mean, come on...


Because the country has a vested interest in making its poverty rate as low as possible, they fudge the numbers to exclude people. Way easier than actually helping them.
 
5 days ago  
Well it's a good thing that the federal government cut off all supplemental help over Labor Day weekend, then. We can't be going around letting poor people know that better things are possible.

Neither party has any interest in helping the poor. With the Republicans, this is obvious, but let's not pretend that the Democrats, as a party, care at all that benefits just ended. No one in government is talking about it. No one cares. Guess we'll starve and die, I guess.
 
5 days ago  

FarkMeAmadeus: This is why the GQP It's so anxious to end on the unemployment and other pandemic relief measures. I mean intelligent people know that the entire modern GOP platform is complete horseshiat, but they really don't want back and white proof staring them in the face.


I think you give the GQP too much credit. They just see "those people" also getting relief and they freak out that they're considered equal to them.
 
5 days ago  

bobug: Well, the past year has basically been an experiment in UBI. It works. It is cheaper than the alternative. Let's do it.


Well, we're doing it for children (the monthly tax credit payments)
Adults are scum, apparently?
 
5 days ago  

Name Withheld: Why is the poverty threshold so low? Is anyone under the illusion that a family of four is living well on $26,000 a year? Like it's great that people are above that threshold now, but I mean, come on...


The more accurate the poverty threshold, the larger the percentage of the population officially in poverty.

The larger the percentage of the population in officially in poverty, the harder it is to justify not doing anything to help them.
 
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5 days ago  
helping the poor is a waste of time, get off your asses you lazy frkkin bastiges
 
5 days ago  

austerity101: Well it's a good thing that the federal government cut off all supplemental help over Labor Day weekend, then. We can't be going around letting poor people know that better things are possible.

Neither party has any interest in helping the poor. With the Republicans, this is obvious, but let's not pretend that the Democrats, as a party, care at all that benefits just ended. No one in government is talking about it. No one cares. Guess we'll starve and die, I guess.


The Democratic party - most of the party, and certainly the leadership - are avowed Capitalists.

Capitalism requires an exploitable underclass, and the less the underclass suffers, the harder it is for the owner class to exploit them.

That is why Democrats are willing to act in support of social issues like gay marriage or trans rights, but unwilling to act on economic ones, like raising the minimum wage, healthcare for all, decoupled from employment, recognizing housing as a human right, or publicly funding higher education and forgiving student loan debt.

See also: Juneteenth is a holiday now, but the systemic racism inherent to American policing remains unaddressed.
 
5 days ago  
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recondite cetacean: The poverty threshold is an income of about $26,000 for a family of four, or about $13,000 for "an individual. "

Two kids cost nothing????


That's not the correct way to look at the chart,  although I can see how you could get there from the way the article is written.

It's not $13k per individual in a marriage and the 2 kids are free.   It's more like the difference in an imaginary basket of food in 1960s to feed one adult vs two adults and two kids.

I won't defend the calculation but I hope the explanation helps.
 
5 days ago  
intried today, doug
 
5 days ago  
LBJ's war on poverty was working, unfortunately we also had to fight them damn commies in Vietnam which killed millions (both sides) and burned up billions of dollars.

As soon as Reagan got in it was an immediate attack on all of Johnson's programs and has been ever since
 
5 days ago  

PlaidJaguar: austerity101: Well it's a good thing that the federal government cut off all supplemental help over Labor Day weekend, then. We can't be going around letting poor people know that better things are possible.

Neither party has any interest in helping the poor. With the Republicans, this is obvious, but let's not pretend that the Democrats, as a party, care at all that benefits just ended. No one in government is talking about it. No one cares. Guess we'll starve and die, I guess.

The Democratic party - most of the party, and certainly the leadership - are avowed Capitalists.

Capitalism requires an exploitable underclass, and the less the underclass suffers, the harder it is for the owner class to exploit them.

That is why Democrats are willing to act in support of social issues like gay marriage or trans rights, but unwilling to act on economic ones, like raising the minimum wage, healthcare for all, decoupled from employment, recognizing housing as a human right, or publicly funding higher education and forgiving student loan debt.

See also: Juneteenth is a holiday now, but the systemic racism inherent to American policing remains unaddressed.


This is a wonderful way of explaining exactly how the government operates.

They will throw us a bone once in a while, to make it look like they are doing important things.  But they aren't doing a damn thing to address the real issues.  And they have not intention of doing that.

Then they will spend the next years pretending everything is fine because society got something they wanted.
 
5 days ago  

Be polite walk on the right: helping the poor is a waste of time, get off your asses you lazy frkkin bastiges


It's actually cheaper to the whole system to get them homed and with enough coin to cover their food and bills than spend nothing and leave them to rot.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi​c​s/2017/7/20/15821560/basic-income-crit​iques-cost-work-negative-income-tax
 
5 days ago  

SaturnShadow: bobug: Well, the past year has basically been an experiment in UBI. It works. It is cheaper than the alternative. Let's do it.

Well, we're doing it for children (the monthly tax credit payments)
Adults are scum, apparently?


I guess I am a weirdo. I don't think anybody should be homeless or hungry or have to work 100 hours a week, unless they want to.
 
5 days ago  

bobug: SaturnShadow: bobug: Well, the past year has basically been an experiment in UBI. It works. It is cheaper than the alternative. Let's do it.

Well, we're doing it for children (the monthly tax credit payments)
Adults are scum, apparently?

I guess I am a weirdo. I don't think anybody should be homeless or hungry or have to work 100 hours a week, unless they want to.


Agreed. Especially in one of the wealthiest countries in the world. Smh
 
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