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5 days ago  
Still safer bet than quack science from faux news.
 
5 days ago  

Merltech: Still safer bet than quack science from faux news.


Is it? I see people deciding doctors aren't smart enough so they do what they want. The vaccine may be safer than horse paste but the action is just as dangerous.
 
5 days ago  

edmo: Merltech: Still safer bet than quack science from faux news.

Is it? I see people deciding doctors aren't smart enough so they do what they want. The vaccine may be safer than horse paste but the action is just as dangerous.


Is there a difference between the potency of the first and 2nd shots?  Is the first shot week enough to be considered a booster?
 
5 days ago  
I haven't done it, but I'd be lying if I said that I hadn't thought REAL LONG and HARD about it.

Real Long, Hard, Meaty, Veiny, Black and Bicurious about it......really.
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Wait, what was the question again?

/happy scrappy hero pup
 
5 days ago  
If you show up at a retail pharmacy and say you need one, they are going to give it to you. They can't ask you for health records to prove it.

It's kind of a problem.
 
5 days ago  

Merltech: edmo: Merltech: Still safer bet than quack science from faux news.

Is it? I see people deciding doctors aren't smart enough so they do what they want. The vaccine may be safer than horse paste but the action is just as dangerous.

Is there a difference between the potency of the first and 2nd shots?  Is the first shot week enough to be considered a booster?


As far as I know, both shots are the same within a given company's vaccine.  But mixing vaccines from two different companies doesn't sound like a particularly smart thing to do
 
5 days ago  
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5 days ago  
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5 days ago  

edmo: Merltech: Still safer bet than quack science from faux news.

Is it? I see people deciding doctors aren't smart enough so they do what they want. The vaccine may be safer than horse paste but the action is just as dangerous.


It's not. Subby, who may be you, made a completely mad comparison.
They're assholes for seeking a booster if it would have been someone else's 1st or 2nd shot, but they're not morons. They're following the science while half of our right-wing assholes reject science.
 
5 days ago  
My previous post notwithstanding, its time to admit what we've got here is probably a 3-shot sequence for a lot of people, like Varicella immunization.
 
5 days ago  

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Dat Vax!
 
5 days ago  

OldRod: As far as I know, both shots are the same within a given company's vaccine. But mixing vaccines from two different companies doesn't sound like a particularly smart thing to do


The case for it seems to be growing, though getting access to full abstracts on it is not easy.
 
5 days ago  
Seems like a pretty big difference to me. There are medical reasons to not take a topical horse dewormer but public health reasons to not seek out a third booster.
 
5 days ago  
Literally my doc friend and I were discussing it....he decided against it in the end due to not being trackable, but I imagine people are doing this a lot.
 
5 days ago  
If they're not tanking away from someone else who hasn't had it yet and waiting two weeks since the last one I can find no problem with it. We're throwing them away because of the (horse) paste eaters.
I've not heard anything about it being dangerous from any expert, just no consensus on if it's necessary for everyone.
 
5 days ago  
You can get a booster at any time. They're approved for people with comorbidities or underlying conditions and  the pharmacies aren't asking for proof or even what the condition is. 

Vaccine doses are expiring already. Go ahead and get the booster if you want it.
 
5 days ago  
It's coming up to six months since my second dose, so I am definitely thinking about boosters.  But they said "eight months", so I'll have to wait until November.  Especially since I got my first two shots through the state's vaccination system, they might automatically schedule the booster shot as well.
 
5 days ago  
FTFA: The Maryland Department of Health decided to take action before the FDA: It issued an order last week permitting immediate boosters for all residents 65 and older who live in group settings like nursing homes. Michael Ricci, a spokesman for Gov. Larry Hogan, pointed to the CDC's recommendation last month that "moderately to severely immunocompromised" people should have extra shots. "We are relying on that expansive view to deem the seniors in congregate settings as immunocompromised," he said. "We are directing those facilities to offer the booster shot to anyone who wants one."

If your local Department of Health is saying do it for a certain community and those doses would expire otherwise, you can't compare that to eating horse paste and shiatting out your intestinal lining.
 
5 days ago  
Mixing brands of shots hasn't been shown to be dangerous.  There have been some studies trying to show whether mixing shots is as effective as getting both doses from the same brand - I'm not sure if they were conclusive on efficacy being the same, but they definitely didn't show an increased risk.

Getting boosters after 6 months is already something being talked about openly, for health care professionals and other at-risk individuals that got their first shots early on.  I really doubt that getting a third dose after 6 months poses any additional risks compared to the first two - that's not how vaccines work.  It's not like the vaccine material itself "builds up" in your system.

I'd be concerned if people were taking away doses meant for the unvaccinated, but that's clearly not the case anymore.  Shots are readily available everywhere in the US.  Given that doses have a defined shelf life, they're probably going to waste if not given as boosters.

Especially for the person in TFA, who started with a J&J shot, which is known to be less effective.  Getting redone with an mRNA vaccine probably makes a lot of sense.

All in all, I'm fine with this.  Personally, I'd prefer if FDA offered up an emergency use authorization for boosters, so people wouldn't have to lie to get them.

/Got my second shot in April, so I'm theoretically up for a booster in a month.  I'm low risk, so probably wouldn't lie to get one - I'll wait till they're officially available.
 
5 days ago  
It's a good thing we're using a national database and digital records rather than something stupid like a piece of paper.
 
5 days ago  

OldRod: Merltech: edmo: Merltech: Still safer bet than quack science from faux news.

Is it? I see people deciding doctors aren't smart enough so they do what they want. The vaccine may be safer than horse paste but the action is just as dangerous.

Is there a difference between the potency of the first and 2nd shots?  Is the first shot week enough to be considered a booster?

As far as I know, both shots are the same within a given company's vaccine.  But mixing vaccines from two different companies doesn't sound like a particularly smart thing to do


The second shot in the Russian vaxx is different from the first. They use two different adenoviruses to deliver the protein.

I think all the ones being approved in the US and Europe have identical first and second shot.
 
5 days ago  

NewportBarGuy: If you show up at a retail pharmacy and say you need one, they are going to give it to you. They can't ask you for health records to prove it.

It's kind of a problem.


Yes, yes they can ask you. You on the other hand can refuse in which case they can send you on your merry way. Hippa really only covers someone who has your medical info from releasing it without your permission. It does preclude someone for asking for it
 
5 days ago  

edmo: Merltech: Still safer bet than quack science from faux news.

Is it? I see people deciding doctors aren't smart enough so they do what they want. The vaccine may be safer than horse paste but the action is just as dangerous.


Not really. The booster shots are already approved for those who are considered immunocompromised and most like the booster shots are inevitable.  A likely large factor in why they haven't been approved for the broader population yet is the idea of reserving the vaccines for a) the 25% Freedumb crowd and b) 3rd world countries that are still massively unvaccinated.

The problem with that is that the 25% would probably trust warfarin (aka rat poison) before the vaccine and the other is that the US isn't really going to send a large portion of the otherwise unused vaccine to 3rd world countries  no matter how much the WHO would want it to.

In the end, this is an entirely predictable problem which the government chose to ignore.  If they actually considered it a serious issue they would choose a.better method than the honor system which has already been a massive failure in several other areas.
 
5 days ago  
Isn't there a certain amount of time that must pass between first and second shot, and second shot and booster for them to be most effective? If people start making their own decisions, is it possible the third shot won't be as effective and actually take a shot away from someone who needs it?
 
5 days ago  

lolmao500: Woman gets 6 doses of COVID-19 vaccine at once

Nothing bad happened to her. I think they'll be fine with a 3rd dose after 6 months stupid subby.


I get she gets awesome 5G reception!
 
5 days ago  

NewportBarGuy: If you show up at a retail pharmacy and say you need one, they are going to give it to you. They can't ask you for health records to prove it.

It's kind of a problem.


If doses weren't going to waste I'd agree.

The pharmacist in the affiliated hospital is letting people know about vials that are opened and about to expire at room temp. Even puts them in the syringe so that they can be given to people who need/want it. Never seen someone who wanted the shot not get it and I've seen multiple doses discarded.
 
5 days ago  
you don't have to lie... just get the other vaccine..,

I have two moderna and two pfizer shots

It happened cause when i signed up for the second shot they only had the other version...

so i technically had not completed either vaccine... i decided i'd finish both...
 
5 days ago  
I got Moderna months ago, and am planning on getting my first Pfizer this weekend. The only thing I feel slightly bad about is slightly skewing the stats of how many people are vaccinated.
 
5 days ago  
So the booster shot is generic and not covid specific?
 
5 days ago  

thehobbes: NewportBarGuy: If you show up at a retail pharmacy and say you need one, they are going to give it to you. They can't ask you for health records to prove it.

It's kind of a problem.

If doses weren't going to waste I'd agree.

The pharmacist in the affiliated hospital is letting people know about vials that are opened and about to expire at room temp. Even puts them in the syringe so that they can be given to people who need/want it. Never seen someone who wanted the shot not get it and I've seen multiple doses discarded.


Right, once they've been distributed it's almost impossible to get them back safely with chain of custody, etc. I'm not sure where the last place they can be diverted is. It may even be at the factory.
 
5 days ago  

tyyreaunn: Mixing brands of shots hasn't been shown to be dangerous.  There have been some studies trying to show whether mixing shots is as effective as getting both doses from the same brand - I'm not sure if they were conclusive on efficacy being the same, but they definitely didn't show an increased risk.

Getting boosters after 6 months is already something being talked about openly, for health care professionals and other at-risk individuals that got their first shots early on.  I really doubt that getting a third dose after 6 months poses any additional risks compared to the first two - that's not how vaccines work.  It's not like the vaccine material itself "builds up" in your system.

I'd be concerned if people were taking away doses meant for the unvaccinated, but that's clearly not the case anymore.  Shots are readily available everywhere in the US.  Given that doses have a defined shelf life, they're probably going to waste if not given as boosters.

Especially for the person in TFA, who started with a J&J shot, which is known to be less effective.  Getting redone with an mRNA vaccine probably makes a lot of sense.

All in all, I'm fine with this.  Personally, I'd prefer if FDA offered up an emergency use authorization for boosters, so people wouldn't have to lie to get them.

/Got my second shot in April, so I'm theoretically up for a booster in a month.  I'm low risk, so probably wouldn't lie to get one - I'll wait till they're officially available.


I have J&J from the trials. So I'm already 10 months since my single dose.

And I've reached the point of considering dropping out and going for Team Moderna.

I really wanna continue to help science and whatnot. But I also want better protection.
 
5 days ago  
Mix 'n matching vaccines is almost certainly perfectly fine. And if you had JnJ would probably be better to get one of the mRNA vaccines as a booster.

Right now, we have a glut of vaccine thanks to imbeciles so it's not like getting a booster takes a dose away from the unvaccinated.
 
5 days ago  
The case for the booster looks pretty damn strong. I'm surprised by the study out yesterday saying there's no credible support for boosters for the general population. The CDC's recent data showing Pfizer at 80% protection against hospitalization from Delta and J&J at 60% (Moderna was 95%) isn't exactly inspiring for existing protection levels. That's still massively better than no vaccine, but given how widespread the virus is right now, we'd hope for more.

They're also providing no guidance for people with the J&J vaccination, many of whom are understandably nervous given the recent data. Hell, the the CDC data suggests maybe the boosters should be Moderna.

There's an ethical case to be made that we should be sending the supply overseas to countries with very low vaccination rates rather than giving out boosters, but that's a different discussion than measuring the safety and efficacy of boosters.
 
5 days ago  

0lorin: so i technically had not completed either vaccine... i decided i'd finish both..


You don't want to try to cover edge effects maybe by getting AZ, or maybe something Chinese?

jaivirtualcard: So the booster shot is generic and not covid specific?


This could be the argument for waiting for a third-dose --- there may be variant specific concoctions forthcoming. The third dose right now is just that --- the same as the first two doses.
 
5 days ago  

proteus_b: 0lorin: so i technically had not completed either vaccine... i decided i'd finish both..

You don't want to try to cover edge effects maybe by getting AZ, or maybe something Chinese?

jaivirtualcard: So the booster shot is generic and not covid specific?

This could be the argument for waiting for a third-dose --- there may be variant specific concoctions forthcoming. The third dose right now is just that --- the same as the first two doses.


they aren't locally available AFAIK... and traveling to get them would probably be a bigger risk than the benefit
 
5 days ago  

OldRod: Merltech: edmo: Merltech: Still safer bet than quack science from faux news.

Is it? I see people deciding doctors aren't smart enough so they do what they want. The vaccine may be safer than horse paste but the action is just as dangerous.

Is there a difference between the potency of the first and 2nd shots?  Is the first shot week enough to be considered a booster?

As far as I know, both shots are the same within a given company's vaccine.  But mixing vaccines from two different companies doesn't sound like a particularly smart thing to do


Actually some people in Britain got shots from different companies. Looks like it works fine. The immune system doesn't care how it gets stimulated as long as the dosage works. In the end there is a viral protein in the body for tge immyne system to act upon and who made the RNA (or DNA) for it doesn't matter.
 
5 days ago  
My step-dad had a funny experience. His barber said the CVS was giving booster shots. So he goes across the parking lot to the CVS and says "I heard you guys are doing booster shots. Can I get one?" They said "no," they weren't; "Did the barber say we were? He's been sending everyone over."

Then they went ahead and gave him one anyway. They had plenty of shots that were gonna expire.
 
5 days ago  

Merltech: Still safer bet than quack science from faux news.


When did they say people should be taking horse dewormer?
 
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5 days ago  

patrick767: The case for the booster looks pretty damn strong. I'm surprised by the study out yesterday saying there's no credible support for boosters for the general population. The CDC's recent data showing Pfizer at 80% protection against hospitalization from Delta and J&J at 60% (Moderna was 95%) isn't exactly inspiring for existing protection levels. That's still massively better than no vaccine, but given how widespread the virus is right now, we'd hope for more.

They're also providing no guidance for people with the J&J vaccination, many of whom are understandably nervous given the recent data. Hell, the the CDC data suggests maybe the boosters should be Moderna.

There's an ethical case to be made that we should be sending the supply overseas to countries with very low vaccination rates rather than giving out boosters, but that's a different discussion than measuring the safety and efficacy of boosters.


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I keep wondering, are large amounts of the supply sent overseas being lost in shipment or something?  I got the impression that more was sent than what seems to be the result in getting folks immunized.

We do want to get Earth taken care of, but if the tool being used is being destroyed along the way, then nobody is being helped this way.  That supply chain needs to be strengthened.
 
5 days ago  

Chinesenookiefactory: Isn't there a certain amount of time that must pass between first and second shot, and second shot and booster for them to be most effective? If people start making their own decisions, is it possible the third shot won't be as effective and actually take a shot away from someone who needs it?


That's correct. If you boost to early the effect will be less pronounced. It will still give you a boost though and I'm not sure that there is a significant difference if you wait 8 instead of 6 months. But I'd think you have to wait at least for half a year before you can start thinking about it. Let's not forget the vaccine does work really well.
 
5 days ago  

OldRod: Merltech: edmo: Merltech: Still safer bet than quack science from faux news.

Is it? I see people deciding doctors aren't smart enough so they do what they want. The vaccine may be safer than horse paste but the action is just as dangerous.

Is there a difference between the potency of the first and 2nd shots?  Is the first shot week enough to be considered a booster?

As far as I know, both shots are the same within a given company's vaccine.  But mixing vaccines from two different companies doesn't sound like a particularly smart thing to do


Preliminary studies have found mixing and matching ("heterologous priming") between adenoviral-vectored vaccines like Oxford with mRNA vaccines like Pfizer to be safe and very effective.1, 2, 3, 4, 5 The US won't approve it, as we rely on vaccine manufacturers' large safety and efficacy studies, and so far each manufacturer is conducting booster safety studies only for customers of their own products, but there's been no evidence of any unusual risk. Though to be fair, the WHO still advises against it; "While these studies are encouraging, they require cautious interpretation given the limited sample sizes and lack of follow up, especially related to safety data, and the uncertain relevance of immunological readouts in relation to clinical impact."

1 Borobia, A. M., ... Group, C. S. (2021). Reactogenicity and Immunogenicity of BNT162b2 in Subjects Having Received a First Dose of ChAdOx1s: Initial Results of a Randomised, Adaptive, Phase 2 Trial (CombiVacS). SSRN Electronic Journal. https://doi.org/10.2139/ssrn.3854768

2 Shaw, R. H., Stuart, A., Greenland, M., Liu, X., Nguyen Van-Tam, J. S., & Snape, M. D. (2021). Heterologous prime-boost COVID-19 vaccination: initial reactogenicity data. The Lancet, 397(10289), 2043-2046. https://doi.org/10.1016/s0140-6736(21​)​01115-6

3 Schmidt, T., ... Sester, M. (2021). Immunogenicity and reactogenicity of a heterologous COVID-19 prime-boost vaccination compared with homologous vaccine regimens. Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory. https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.06.13.21​2​58859

4 Hillus, D., ... Seybold, J. (2021). Safety, reactogenicity, and immunogenicity of homologous and heterologous prime-boost immunisation with ChAdOx1-nCoV19 and BNT162b2: a prospective cohort study. Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory. https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.05.19.21​2​57334

5 Liu, X., ... Group, C.-C. S. (2021). Safety and Immunogenicity Report from the Com-COV Study - a Single-Blind Randomised Non-Inferiority Trial Comparing Heterologous And Homologous Prime-Boost Schedules with An Adenoviral Vectored and mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine. SSRN Electronic Journal. https://doi.org/10.2139/ssrn.3874014
 
5 days ago  

NewportBarGuy: If you show up at a retail pharmacy and say you need one, they are going to give it to you. They can't ask you for health records to prove it.

It's kind of a problem.


You seriously think a pharmacy tech, a medical professional, can't legally ask for your health records? Are you stupid?
 
5 days ago  
Perpetuating the "hOrSe DeWoRmEr" nonsense is just ignorant. Get a clue..


Ahhh yes. The boosters that FDA heads are resigning over. I'm sure the geniuses will be lined up around the block for them. XD
 
5 days ago  
They're giving booster shots to people who are immunocompromised. If the first two shots didn't cause a reaction then the risk of the third shot causing a problem is essentially zero.
 
5 days ago  
I've had my three.  The first was Zeneca then two Pfizers.  Now I'll be able to travel to your great country when they let us.
 
5 days ago  

ShadowJacker: Perpetuating the "hOrSe DeWoRmEr" nonsense is just ignorant. Get a clue..


Ahhh yes. The boosters that FDA heads are resigning over. I'm sure the geniuses will be lined up around the block for them. XD


**dismissive jacking motion intensifies**
 
5 days ago  
I got a third Pfizer the day after the FDA authorized it for immune compromised.  I have two comorbidities and had scheduled elective surgery with a known overnight stay, I wanted my protection.  Pfizer in one arm and flu shot in the other at the Walgreen's no appointment or deception necessary. Side effects were a little worse than shot #2 for me but still better than some people's reports.
 
5 days ago  
 
5 days ago  
You don't have to lie if you're old as shiat.  You just have to restrain from showing this picture in your wallet.

I believe in public health, but I'm beginning to wonder if the CDC is like the highway department.

They have to see the numbers first before acting.  That's why the dangerous street in your town only has half the number of required deaths yet to put up stop signs on any of the four streets at the intersection.

I heard about "breakthrough" cases (heresy) in March or April from friends who were the cases -- vaccinated in September.  There there were more. All about six months in.  Not enough to plot, but certainly painful and not communicated to ER/ICU units as anything more than flukes.  That's not medicine -- it's accounting.

The CDC, about the same time, told vaccinated people they were fine not wearing masks, except in crowded public events.    That's some disease control.

I'm not sure author has been vaccinated.  You get a card.  You also can view your record on line from the CDC, with dates of vaccination, etc.  A third vaccination will show up, unless BillyBob is doing vaxes off the tailgate of his pickup truck.


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5 days ago  
i had both moderna shots in april during Phase 1A - so earlier than most.

over the summer, i asked my pharmacist if they've had to throw away vaccines.  they have.

i have COPD.  for the past 15+ years i've gotten the worst bronchitis in/around november.  my company is bringing us back to the office full time on october 4.

you better believe i wanted a booster.  i'd be riding public transportation to/from work, and working in an office where masks are not mandated.

i got both pfizer shots in late august/september.
 
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