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(Roll Call)   Jeez, between the Afghanistan withdrawal and now the #2 military guy saying Congress can cut the defense budget, military contractors have been getting the shaft lately   (rollcall.com) divider line
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2021-09-14 11:55:04 AM  
So how much stuff will the US Military have to purchase to make up for stuff left in Afghanistan?
 
2021-09-14 11:58:06 AM  
Military contractors getting the shaft, you say?

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2021-09-14 12:04:44 PM  
Has anyone setup a GoFundMe yet? I will sleep better knowing I did my part, no matter how small, to minimize any impact these events have on executive compensation and, of course, shareholder value.
 
2021-09-14 12:07:53 PM  
The shaft is fake.
 
2021-09-14 12:27:59 PM  

spongeboob: So how much stuff will the US Military have to purchase to make up for stuff left in Afghanistan?


We don't need anymore stuff.

This is just Fort Hood... We have miles and miles of sh*t.

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2021-09-14 12:35:32 PM  
What is is actually saying to Congress is "Get out of the way and let us do our job."
 
2021-09-14 12:52:06 PM  
I'm surprised he hasn't been impeached yet (you can impeach cabinet members also).
 
2021-09-14 1:08:13 PM  
#circumcisethemilitary
 
2021-09-14 1:08:36 PM  
hero tag? 🤮
 
2021-09-14 1:09:57 PM  
The military knows we have enough stuff.

The defense contractors, on the other hand...
 
2021-09-14 1:11:04 PM  
Cut the defense budget?  That's crazy talk!
 
2021-09-14 1:12:30 PM  
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2021-09-14 1:12:42 PM  
 
2021-09-14 1:14:01 PM  
Oblig:

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2021-09-14 1:14:50 PM  
I once saw an F-22 do a fly by at the county fair.
 
2021-09-14 1:14:58 PM  
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2021-09-14 1:15:49 PM  

DannyBrandt: I once saw an F-22 do a fly by at the county fair.


Not you and your F-22 sh*t again.
 
2021-09-14 1:18:16 PM  

spongeboob: So how much stuff will the US Military have to purchase to make up for stuff left in Afghanistan?


Not that much. The US manufacturers far more military equipment and drives it straight to the desert to rust than we ever left abroad. It become a jobs program and a nice way to hand hundreds of billions of dollars into the hands of businesses that can then be cut back nicely into the hands of congressional members and senators.
 
2021-09-14 1:18:29 PM  
They'll be back...
 
2021-09-14 1:18:40 PM  
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2021-09-14 1:18:48 PM  

ArkPanda: I'm surprised he hasn't been impeached yet (you can impeach cabinet members also).


What cabinet member are you talking about? TFA is about an Air Force general.
 
2021-09-14 1:19:41 PM  
I'm an engineer at a large defense contractor and we can save a huge amount on cutting defense. Instead require mandarin and how to. Kowtow in schools

/Yes my retirement depends on defense spending
 
2021-09-14 1:20:04 PM  
Dumb in one.
 
2021-09-14 1:20:58 PM  
We paid them to stay and keep the Afghan army up and running after we pulled out.  Instead the contractors turned tail and ran, leaving the Afghan army to collapse.  They failed to meet the requirements of their contracts.  Therefore we should take about every penny we ever spent on these mercenary farkers, if it means we go into their personal accounts and seize the money.  Eric Prince should lose his entire family fortune.
 
2021-09-14 1:20:58 PM  

DannyBrandt: I once saw an F-22 do a fly by at the county fair.


kewl then totes worth it

/the proper cuts to the defense budget would pay for this entire country to have health care and probably free school too
/and we'd STILL have more defense spending than the world combined
/I'll be here holding my breath
 
2021-09-14 1:23:15 PM  

winedrinkingman: We paid them to stay and keep the Afghan army up and running after we pulled out.  Instead the contractors turned tail and ran, leaving the Afghan army to collapse.  They failed to meet the requirements of their contracts.  Therefore we should take about every penny we ever spent on these mercenary farkers, if it means we go into their personal accounts and seize the money.  Eric Prince should lose his entire family fortune.


And once again Fark proves it doesn't know the difference between defense contractors and military contractors, or who Erik Prince worked for.
 
2021-09-14 1:23:51 PM  

serfdood: Cut the defense budget?  That's crazy talk!


The problem is that for some reason- well, for a variety of reasons- it's the one viable Federal jobs program.

It's like we're OK with the concept, but only as long as Raytheon gets to dip their beak.

If Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics got a bigger chunk of the infrastructure bill, somehow $3.5 trillion would become much more affordable.
 
2021-09-14 1:24:16 PM  

limeyfellow: spongeboob: So how much stuff will the US Military have to purchase to make up for stuff left in Afghanistan?

Not that much. The US manufacturers far more military equipment and drives it straight to the desert to rust than we ever left abroad. It become a jobs program and a nice way to hand hundreds of billions of dollars into the hands of businesses that can then be cut back nicely into the hands of congressional members and senators.


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IIRC, the military brass has been telling Congress for YEARS (probably close to two decades, if not more) that we can probably stop paying for hardware we don't need and will never use.

Congress hears ya. Congress don't care.

// how else is Middle America gonna take taxpayer money? social spending and universal health care?
 
2021-09-14 1:25:21 PM  
That great American, James Risch, who I'm sure gets no campaign money from defense contractors, is doing God's work in his questioning of Anthony Blinken over Afghanistan today:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/14/politi​c​s/joe-biden-jim-risch-press-conference​/index.html

These people should be nowhere near the levers of power.  Not once.
 
2021-09-14 1:32:01 PM  

Dr Dreidel: limeyfellow: spongeboob: So how much stuff will the US Military have to purchase to make up for stuff left in Afghanistan?

Not that much. The US manufacturers far more military equipment and drives it straight to the desert to rust than we ever left abroad. It become a jobs program and a nice way to hand hundreds of billions of dollars into the hands of businesses that can then be cut back nicely into the hands of congressional members and senators.

FeFiFoFark: [Fark user image 425x407]

IIRC, the military brass has been telling Congress for YEARS (probably close to two decades, if not more) that we can probably stop paying for hardware we don't need and will never use.

Congress hears ya. Congress don't care.

// how else is Middle America gonna take taxpayer money? social spending and universal health care?


If only there were some way the American people could influence the decisions made by Congress.
 
2021-09-14 1:32:32 PM  

inner ted: DannyBrandt: I once saw an F-22 do a fly by at the county fair.

kewl then totes worth it


F*cking hell.

Really?

What type of fish do I need to slap people, some of whom I assume are good people, upside their heads to drive a sarcastic point home?

A mackerel? Trout? Grouper?
 
2021-09-14 1:34:36 PM  
Sometimes Fark is mentally exhausting.
 
2021-09-14 1:42:37 PM  

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2021-09-14 1:43:43 PM  

g.fro: Dr Dreidel: limeyfellow: spongeboob: So how much stuff will the US Military have to purchase to make up for stuff left in Afghanistan?

Not that much. The US manufacturers far more military equipment and drives it straight to the desert to rust than we ever left abroad. It become a jobs program and a nice way to hand hundreds of billions of dollars into the hands of businesses that can then be cut back nicely into the hands of congressional members and senators.

FeFiFoFark: [Fark user image 425x407]

IIRC, the military brass has been telling Congress for YEARS (probably close to two decades, if not more) that we can probably stop paying for hardware we don't need and will never use.

Congress hears ya. Congress don't care.

// how else is Middle America gonna take taxpayer money? social spending and universal health care?

If only there were some way the American people could influence the decisions made by Congress.


434 more AOCs serving?

// well, fewer than that if we include Cori Bushes and Katie Porters and such
// considering the Defense approps bill a "must-pass" and then loading it with enough pork to make up for every Jew and Muslim and Sikh and Jainist in the world is probably also a mistake
 
2021-09-14 1:46:37 PM  

DannyBrandt: Sometimes Fark is mentally exhausting.


Which is why you should only use it as an exhaust for your mentals.
 
2021-09-14 1:48:36 PM  
Not sure what this "army" of contractors being paid to wait on Delivery Orders is about. I work at one of the evil contractors, and when that stuff is delayed people lose their jobs. Nobody gets paid to sit around.
 
2021-09-14 1:56:42 PM  
This is my go fark yourself face.  GOOD!
 
2021-09-14 1:57:33 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Congress hears ya. Congress don't care.


It was during the Clinton Administration that I first heard a phrase that's stuck with me.

The greatest piece of American military equipment you could design isn't one that saves American lives or kills the enemy more effectively. It's one with 435 components, each manufactured in a different Congressional district. We'd build them forever.

In 2014, the Army went to Congress and said "we don't need any new tanks." Congress laughed and bought $183 million worth of new tanks.
 
2021-09-14 2:04:07 PM  
Next thing you'll tell me is we don't need 20 aircraft carriers when the rest of the world has like 20 combined.
 
2021-09-14 2:04:08 PM  

Gonz: Dr Dreidel: Congress hears ya. Congress don't care.

It was during the Clinton Administration that I first heard a phrase that's stuck with me.

The greatest piece of American military equipment you could design isn't one that saves American lives or kills the enemy more effectively. It's one with 435 components, each manufactured in a different Congressional district. We'd build them forever.

In 2014, the Army went to Congress and said "we don't need any new tanks." Congress laughed and bought $183 million worth of new tanks.


Sounds like the phrase that "stuck with you" is BSAB.
 
2021-09-14 2:10:41 PM  

g.fro: ArkPanda: I'm surprised he hasn't been impeached yet (you can impeach cabinet members also).

What cabinet member are you talking about? TFA is about an Air Force general.


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2021-09-14 2:10:50 PM  
We just ended a 20 year war, I would hope we could dial back the budget just a teensy tiny bit!
 
2021-09-14 2:12:51 PM  

Gonz: It's one with 435 components, each manufactured in a different Congressional district. We'd build them forever.


The F35 comes close. I'm pretty sure every state around my state and including it makes a few parts of that jet. I know so many people who work in the industry.
 
2021-09-14 2:14:40 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: Next thing you'll tell me is we don't need 20 aircraft carriers when the rest of the world has like 20 combined.


Well I hope we don't need 20 aircraft carriers since we "only" have 11.
 
2021-09-14 2:15:57 PM  

Hyjamon: g.fro: ArkPanda: I'm surprised he hasn't been impeached yet (you can impeach cabinet members also).

What cabinet member are you talking about? TFA is about an Air Force general.

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In his case, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who is also not a cabinet member.
 
2021-09-14 2:20:18 PM  

whidbey: Sounds like the phrase that "stuck with you" is BSAB.


If that's your takeaway, then you're a complete partisan moron.

The Top 5 states for defense spending as a percentage of GDP are: Virginia, Connecticut, Alabama, Maryland, and Kentucky. 3 of those 5 ain't exactly GOP strongholds.

The top district for defense spending as a % of GDP is Virginia's 11th. Gerry Connolly (D) is the representative.

Top district in CA is the 17th. Ro Khanna (D). Top district in NY is the 3rd. Thomas Suozzi (D).

Citation? bbhub.io/bgov/sites/12/2015/10/BGOV_St​atebyStateStudy.pdf
 
2021-09-14 2:42:45 PM  
This is the problem right here:

The first is the tendency to pass legislation that forbids the Pentagon from retiring aging and unneeded assets such as aircraft and ships or, in a related habit, requiring the military to buy weapons that the brass did not ask for.

A bunch of lawyers and Ivy Leaguers, mostly with zero military experience dictating how the military should spend their budget all to make their donor's happy.  If we get the money out of politics, maybe this will stop too.
 
2021-09-14 2:44:00 PM  

g.fro: Hyjamon: g.fro: ArkPanda: I'm surprised he hasn't been impeached yet (you can impeach cabinet members also).

What cabinet member are you talking about? TFA is about an Air Force general.

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In his case, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who is also not a cabinet member.


I thought generals could be impeached but that's only for "civil officers."
 
2021-09-14 2:46:23 PM  

Gonz: The top district for defense spending as a % of GDP is Virginia's 11th. Gerry Connolly (D) is the representative.


I'm not sure how this fits with your discussion, but that's where the Pentagon is. So that kind of makes sense.

In any case, Democrats and Republicans overwhelmingly vote for the Defense approps bill every year, so "both sides" are indeed to blame for that; but I think it would be rather unfair to lay the blame equally.

It's not Democrats, by and large, who run on a "rah-rah military WOOOO GUNZ" platform, and the extraneous tanks and planes aren't being made in VA-11 or CA-17 (though I guess if we're drilling down to it, the CEOs of those companies probably live and work there). It's also (nearly exclusively) the Democratic side of things who point to our near-trillion dollar biennial appropriations bill as absurd, and nearly always Republicans who faint at the idea of cutting even a dollar from the brave warfighters who keep us safe (barf).

// and it's certainly not Democrats who vote to send troops into harm's way, requiring a LOT more spending on the VA side (to treat battlefield injuries, PTSD, and disability/funerary/bereavement care)
 
2021-09-14 2:52:09 PM  

Gonz: If that's your takeaway, then you're a complete partisan moron.


Yeah it's so "moronic" realizing the Democrats are what this country needs and that the Republicans are face it, still covering for Trump's crimes and want to bomb Iran.

Top district in CA is the 17th. Ro Khanna (D). Top district in NY is the 3rd. Thomas Suozzi (D).

Except you tried to BSAB during the Clinton Years.   And got caught.
 
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