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(BBC)   Rough guide to visiting the Netherlands - obey local customs, respect the locals, try to speak in the native tongue, but above all, try not to look like Sicilian crime lord Matteo Messina Denaro   (bbc.co.uk) divider line
    More: Silly, Matteo Messina Denaro, Bernardo Provenzano, Domenico Raccuglia, Mafia, Salvatore Lo Piccolo, 54-year-old, Mark L, Police  
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2021-09-14 6:17:00 PM  
8 votes:
The native tongue? Really? The main reason it so hard to learn Dutch is that when an accent is detected, the locals switch to English immediately.

Well, to be fair, they'll speak Dunglish to you. You see our Englisch is not perfect, but it comes in the neighborhood.
 
2021-09-14 6:21:37 PM  
6 votes:

behanger: The native tongue? Really? The main reason it so hard to learn Dutch is that when an accent is detected, the locals switch to English immediately.

Well, to be fair, they'll speak Dunglish to you. You see our Englisch is not perfect, but it comes in the neighborhood.


Sounds like my friends with Chinese.  They spent a year diligently trying to learn what they could for a short visit to China.  Ended up that as soon as they approached someone, the person lit up like a Christmas tree and wanted to practice their Chinglish on them.  They used more Chinese with their teacher in the US than they did in China.
 
2021-09-14 7:13:58 PM  
5 votes:
I was at the the US Army base in Schinnen, NL and went to a local market. I heard the woman speaking to someone in German so also asked for something in German. She had heard me speaking to a friend in American English and replied in English "you should speak English here, you'll be treated differently."  I asked why and she reminded me of this war or two that had happened a bit back and said in German "Give me back my bicycle."

I got the same thing as the German did, but paid less.

https://dirkdeklein.net/2018/03/26/gi​v​e-us-your-bicycle-or-die-the-story-of-​the-bicycles-in-wwii-in-the-netherland​s/
 
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2021-09-14 6:54:49 PM  
3 votes:
"His lawyer Leon van Kleef"

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2021-09-14 6:26:42 PM  
3 votes:
I'd really like to know the timeline of events.  When he was first "spotted", how fast did they get the warrant and, of course, what this guy looks like.
 
2021-09-15 2:41:49 AM  
2 votes:

sprgrss: Oneiros: I seem to recall they had us pegged as Americans by our shoes well before we had actually said anything, so they usually said 'hello' before you had any chance to even get a word of Dutch in

Isn't Hello also Dutch though?  Or are my Dutch lessons lying to me?


That's "hallo", not "hello".
 
2021-09-14 6:33:48 PM  
2 votes:

phalamir: behanger: The native tongue? Really? The main reason it so hard to learn Dutch is that when an accent is detected, the locals switch to English immediately.

Well, to be fair, they'll speak Dunglish to you. You see our Englisch is not perfect, but it comes in the neighborhood.

Sounds like my friends with Chinese.  They spent a year diligently trying to learn what they could for a short visit to China.  Ended up that as soon as they approached someone, the person lit up like a Christmas tree and wanted to practice their Chinglish on them.  They used more Chinese with their teacher in the US than they did in China.


Back in the 80s, any Dutch person in their 20s had taken English in high school, and watched most of their TV shows and movies in English with Dutch subtitles

(There were only two TV channels that were on in the morning for the news, and then didn't come back on until about 4pm for Smurfs and Sesame Street, both of which were in Dutch as the intended audience couldn't read yet)

But in the evenings, we had A-Team, Knight Rider, Hill Street Blues, Dynasty, and such.  And some Australian show with a kangaroo

The Dutch learn German, French, and English by the time they've finished high school.

/but don't speak German to a Dutch person
//especially not older Dutch people who were alive during the war
 
2021-09-14 6:22:03 PM  
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2021-09-15 3:04:53 AM  
1 vote:
For some reason, I never had a problem using tourist-phrase-book Dutch in the Netherlands, except at the grave of Empress Charlotte (Carlotta) of Mexico. A small group of Mexican Royalists (they exist, and evidently the Pretender lives in the US, who knew,?) Mistook me for Dutch because at 6'1" and not 5'Dwarf" I'm obviously not Mexican, and started speaking to me in Spanish thinking I'm a tour guide because I was holding my Dutch  phrase book. I had just asked a real guide a question and she left to go elsewhere to do something. I think they thought I was taking the next shift or something, who knows.

I had just finished a deployment in Rota, Spain, wason Leave enroute an old friend in Scotland from my military brat good, and was going to catch the ferry at Hoek van Holland driving my Spanish-built SEAT. So, I responded with my Andalusian-flavored Castillan complete with a lisp & dropped final "s." ("Two more beers, please" becomes "Do' ma' thervetha', por favor.") I guess they thought I was making fun of them because one threw a punch and the castle guards arrived pretty toute-damn-suite, dag you very much. One got taken off to the palace pokey and the rest followed, thinking they were going North, I suppose.

I was taken to a guards' lodge, apologized to profusely in excellent English and given a generous gift certificate to the gift schop. No idea what happened to them after that. I still don't know what ticked them off. I was trying to help, speaking their language as I'd learned it. They'd approached me. No idea if they were drunk. I was sober as a judge (can be in the Netherlands!).

Looking back, I suppose I should've spoken German and said I don't understand you auf Deutschand walked away (speaking German is a great way to ignored in Europe!), but they probably would've thought I was speaking Dutch, and who knows, maybe that would've been a good thing. They heard me speaking Dutch to the Dutch guide, thought I was Dutch, spoke to me in a Dialect of Spanish spoken in America, I responded in the dialect spoken in Spain, a part of Europe where we were, closer to the dialect spoken by His Most Catholic Majesty the King of Spain, which should've impressed them, what with them being Royalists & all, but no, I get attacked by the leader of a group of escapees from some ¡casa de los locos! wandering about a Dutch Royal Castle unescorted. My life has been anything but dull.

They learned what it means when Americans say, "You're in dutch now!"
 
2021-09-14 10:32:09 PM  
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Oneiros: And some Australian show with a kangaroo

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2021-09-14 10:00:19 PM  
1 vote:
When I was a kid back in the 80's some Karen lost their shiat and caused all kinds of chaos because they swore up and down that Muammar Gaddafi was eating lunch at the local Sambo's.  Police arrived en-masse, along with what passed for SWAT back then, and news choppers... the works.  It was a shiatshow.

I mean, I was a child... and as my friends and I sat on our BMX bikes and watched the circus unfold in front of us I couldn't help but think the odds of Muammar Gaddafi dipping out of Libya to scoot over to the US on a private jet for some food from a mediocre diner in a shiathole town were way down there around zero.

But all the adults involved sure seemed to forego any common sense and consider the hot tip legit.
 
2021-09-14 8:35:48 PM  
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2021-09-14 7:24:09 PM  
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Oneiros: DerAppie: Oneiros: 'Dag' with a *really* hard G is sorta like 'aloha' as it's both hello and goodbye.

Technically true, nobody I know does it though. Be prepared to get some strange looks when greeting someone with "dag."

I seem to recall they had us pegged as Americans by our shoes well before we had actually said anything, so they usually said 'hello' before you had any chance to even get a word of Dutch in

/only exposure to Dutch in the last 35 years is those 'Ik spreek...' incidents I hinted at, and watching 'Professor T'
//but I also used to work in a cubicle farm with Germans who worked for ESA
///didn't bother telling them that I could understand part of what they were saying until the week before one of them left


My cab driver at Schiphol did that.  I don't think he even saw my shoes, as all I had was a shoulder bag and he didn't get out of the car.
 
2021-09-14 6:49:00 PM  
1 vote:
I dunno, it sound like he has a great story to tell now.
 
2021-09-14 6:37:56 PM  
1 vote:
The real mafioso hasn't been seen in 28 years? You're going to need more evidence than "the way he looks now is similar to how the other guy looked 3 decades ago".

Also he's probably hanging out in 'Argentina' with Hoffa and Hitler.
 
2021-09-14 6:34:02 PM  
1 vote:

Oneiros: 'Dag' with a *really* hard G is sorta like 'aloha' as it's both hello and goodbye.


Technically true, nobody I know does it though. Be prepared to get some strange looks when greeting someone with "dag."
 
2021-09-14 6:27:57 PM  
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Yeah but those eyes with the expressionless face. Speaks of a murderer to me.
 
2021-09-14 6:26:06 PM  
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