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2021-09-14 9:59:31 AM  
It's like real-life Oregon Trail.
 
2021-09-14 1:45:55 PM  
I will always have profound respect for the fact I have clean potable water every day.
 
2021-09-14 1:45:56 PM  
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Cholera epidemics are so romantic. Nothing quite like declaring your love for another while shiatting your pants until you die
 
2021-09-14 1:47:31 PM  
cholera sounds like something served with cheese sauce during Thanksgiving
 
2021-09-14 1:48:31 PM  

FleshFlapps: I will always have profound respect for the fact I have clean potable water every day.


It's only because of those pesky government regulations.
 
2021-09-14 1:49:42 PM  

kbronsito: [images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com image 850x1144]
Cholera epidemics are so romantic. Nothing quite like declaring your love for another while shiatting your pants until you die


It's always more romantic WITHOUT pants.
 
2021-09-14 1:52:16 PM  
Levellers - The Cholera Well | Isle of Wight 2013 | Festivo
Youtube MEXaAgt0Kpc
 
2021-09-14 1:52:46 PM  

kbronsito: [images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com image 850x1144]
Cholera epidemics are so romantic. Nothing quite like declaring your love for another while shiatting your pants until you die


I was always disappointed by how little pants shiatting there was in that book.
Flagrant false advertising.
 
2021-09-14 1:53:21 PM  
Serious question. How come countries in Africa seem to have modernization problems? The picture in the article shows people walking barefoot around fresh yucky sewage water and pipes. What's up with that? I've been watching National Geographic since the 80s and nothing really seems to have changed, except people have cellphones now.

This lack of modernization is something that definitely contributes to all sorts of health problems they have. Dirty, unhygienic place means you can get sick very easily. Where are the proper roads and sewage system? Why are people walking barefoot, when in other countries even the poorest people at least have slippers/flipflops? What about basic health education? Doesn't anybody teach them that sewer water is bad? You don't need beautiful buildings or art installments to be truly modern. You at least need to have the basics of what a city needs to provide clean water and services to people.
 
2021-09-14 1:55:17 PM  

kbronsito: [images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com image 850x1144]
Cholera epidemics are so romantic. Nothing quite like declaring your love for another while shiatting your pants until you die


Love In The Time Of Cholera - Taking Life
Youtube w75o1C4ewDQ

Love In the Time of Pooping Yourself To Death would have made a better screamo band name.
 
2021-09-14 1:55:51 PM  
Shiat! I hope its not too bad.. The prince owes me money.
 
2021-09-14 2:03:31 PM  

GreenSun: Serious question. How come countries in Africa seem to have modernization problems? The picture in the article shows people walking barefoot around fresh yucky sewage water and pipes. What's up with that? I've been watching National Geographic since the 80s and nothing really seems to have changed, except people have cellphones now.

This lack of modernization is something that definitely contributes to all sorts of health problems they have. Dirty, unhygienic place means you can get sick very easily. Where are the proper roads and sewage system? Why are people walking barefoot, when in other countries even the poorest people at least have slippers/flipflops? What about basic health education? Doesn't anybody teach them that sewer water is bad? You don't need beautiful buildings or art installments to be truly modern. You at least need to have the basics of what a city needs to provide clean water and services to people.


You've got to piss with the cock you got.

Many African nations have had long brutal tribal wars and unreliable governments that are more interested in power over the people than a strong nation. They teach people fear of western ideas and do little to educate people with facts.

Even then, much of Africa is rural in a way that makes rural living as we know it look high class modern. There has been monumental effort to help, but governments, or militaristic armies work to hinder the progress.
 
2021-09-14 2:12:07 PM  

FleshFlapps: I will always have profound respect for the fact I have clean potable water every day.


Because of landlord ineptitude, I am on my 8th day without hot water. I now have nothing but servile gratitude for the concept of hot water.
Tried the rental authority and nothing can be done in a timely effective manner.
Then I called the city on sunday.
Monday morning I got confirmation at 9 am by the city's building inspector that a registered letter had been sent to the landlord (I think a call was also made). 15 minutes later i received a call from a plumber.
We don't live in a perfect system but it sure as fu*k beats Africa's.
Never stop appreciating what you have.
 
2021-09-14 2:14:36 PM  

GreenSun: Serious question. How come countries in Africa seem to have modernization problems? The picture in the article shows people walking barefoot around fresh yucky sewage water and pipes. What's up with that? I've been watching National Geographic since the 80s and nothing really seems to have changed, except people have cellphones now.

This lack of modernization is something that definitely contributes to all sorts of health problems they have. Dirty, unhygienic place means you can get sick very easily. Where are the proper roads and sewage system? Why are people walking barefoot, when in other countries even the poorest people at least have slippers/flipflops? What about basic health education? Doesn't anybody teach them that sewer water is bad? You don't need beautiful buildings or art installments to be truly modern. You at least need to have the basics of what a city needs to provide clean water and services to people.


This doesnt require an answer, this requires a series of lectures about the ravages of imperialism.
Guns germs and steel is a pretty good book on the root causes.
 
2021-09-14 2:15:35 PM  
Have they tried horse dewormer?
 
2021-09-14 2:16:45 PM  

GreenSun: Serious question. How come countries in Africa seem to have modernization problems? The picture in the article shows people walking barefoot around fresh yucky sewage water and pipes. What's up with that? I've been watching National Geographic since the 80s and nothing really seems to have changed, except people have cellphones now.

This lack of modernization is something that definitely contributes to all sorts of health problems they have. Dirty, unhygienic place means you can get sick very easily. Where are the proper roads and sewage system? Why are people walking barefoot, when in other countries even the poorest people at least have slippers/flipflops? What about basic health education? Doesn't anybody teach them that sewer water is bad? You don't need beautiful buildings or art installments to be truly modern. You at least need to have the basics of what a city needs to provide clean water and services to people.


Corruption in the developing world.  It's not the only factor for sure but it's a major one.  If the politicians are too busy looting the national treasury or funds earmarked for infrastructure, well that's that.
 
2021-09-14 2:20:47 PM  

SumoJeb: cholera sounds like something served with cheese sauce during Thanksgiving


All You Ever Do Is Bring Me Down
Youtube 9GeAWEhdUdQ
 
2021-09-14 2:21:34 PM  
We have an early entry in the "What Next after Covid" Stakes.

Given the way things have gone for the Trump Years, I was kinda expecting Smallpox would come back from the Dead after being accidentally on purpose released from a military lab in Russia.
 
2021-09-14 2:31:04 PM  

FleshFlapps: I will always have profound respect for the fact I have clean potable water every day.


Thank you for that perspective.
Reading it made me "fall on my face in thanks" (prostrating)

I've been to countries of lessor means. Nigeria still haunts me in how devoid of hope the people felt. I've been to impoverished parts of Thailand and India, they didn't have that feeling of glumness that the Nigerians had.
And this is a relatively wealthy and large country in Africa.
The wealth gap AND the quality of life gap are huge.
Many people had to work long jobs, hitchhike a ride home, in intervals, barely to get enough sleep to come back the next day the same way, early morning.
 
2021-09-14 2:39:20 PM  
Anyone watch any Mark Angel comedy?
If the Caretaker series says anything about Nigerian politics...
 
2021-09-14 2:39:37 PM  

GreenSun: Serious question. How come countries in Africa seem to have modernization problems? The picture in the article shows people walking barefoot around fresh yucky sewage water and pipes. What's up with that? I've been watching National Geographic since the 80s and nothing really seems to have changed, except people have cellphones now.

This lack of modernization is something that definitely contributes to all sorts of health problems they have. Dirty, unhygienic place means you can get sick very easily. Where are the proper roads and sewage system? Why are people walking barefoot, when in other countries even the poorest people at least have slippers/flipflops? What about basic health education? Doesn't anybody teach them that sewer water is bad? You don't need beautiful buildings or art installments to be truly modern. You at least need to have the basics of what a city needs to provide clean water and services to people.


Pee-brained officials who are happy to get a small piece of the pie rather than grow the pie and get a much, much larger slice.

/no, that wasn't spelling mistake
/yes, it might be a reference
/similarities are there
 
2021-09-14 2:40:08 PM  

SirEattonHogg: GreenSun: Serious question. How come countries in Africa seem to have modernization problems? The picture in the article shows people walking barefoot around fresh yucky sewage water and pipes. What's up with that? I've been watching National Geographic since the 80s and nothing really seems to have changed, except people have cellphones now.

This lack of modernization is something that definitely contributes to all sorts of health problems they have. Dirty, unhygienic place means you can get sick very easily. Where are the proper roads and sewage system? Why are people walking barefoot, when in other countries even the poorest people at least have slippers/flipflops? What about basic health education? Doesn't anybody teach them that sewer water is bad? You don't need beautiful buildings or art installments to be truly modern. You at least need to have the basics of what a city needs to provide clean water and services to people.

Corruption in the developing world.  It's not the only factor for sure but it's a major one.  If the politicians are too busy looting the national treasury or funds earmarked for infrastructure, well that's that.


In some cultures, it's perfectly fine to poop in the street and walk on.  If you ask them whet they want, it's not sanitation, it's places to charge their cell phones and better cell phone reception.

In some parts of Kentucky, I have witnessed first hand public urination in front of others and it's perfectly okay.  Never saw a Kentuckian droop a duece in the front yard, but I never went to everywhere in Kentucky.
 
2021-09-14 2:42:07 PM  

GreenSun: Serious question. How come countries in Africa seem to have modernization problems? The picture in the article shows people walking barefoot around fresh yucky sewage water and pipes. What's up with that? I've been watching National Geographic since the 80s and nothing really seems to have changed, except people have cellphones now.

This lack of modernization is something that definitely contributes to all sorts of health problems they have. Dirty, unhygienic place means you can get sick very easily. Where are the proper roads and sewage system? Why are people walking barefoot, when in other countries even the poorest people at least have slippers/flipflops? What about basic health education? Doesn't anybody teach them that sewer water is bad? You don't need beautiful buildings or art installments to be truly modern. You at least need to have the basics of what a city needs to provide clean water and services to people.


It's at least partially an illusion. The areas where everything is fine do not make the news outside Africa. "Here's a middleclass neighbourhood. Nothing happens here" does not sell.

Heh, the same works for the USA. According to our news reports, good old USA is
- New York == glass skyscrapers (often attacked by terrorists)
- the Capitol (often attacked by Trump supporters or burnt by the British)
- California == dry forests, usually on fire
- Appalachia == men and monsters, impossible to tell apart

with everything in between being a sea of Florida man, trailer parks destroyed by hurricanes, and no-knock raids.
 
2021-09-14 2:43:54 PM  
Why don't they just wear a mask and practice social distancing?
 
2021-09-14 2:55:22 PM  
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"The black shiats!"
 
2021-09-14 2:57:56 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: I have witnessed first hand public urination


Your exotic tales I fear are too bold for my enfeebled heart.
 
2021-09-14 3:04:23 PM  

FleshFlapps: GreenSun: Serious question. How come countries in Africa seem to have modernization problems? The picture in the article shows people walking barefoot around fresh yucky sewage water and pipes. What's up with that? I've been watching National Geographic since the 80s and nothing really seems to have changed, except people have cellphones now.

This lack of modernization is something that definitely contributes to all sorts of health problems they have. Dirty, unhygienic place means you can get sick very easily. Where are the proper roads and sewage system? Why are people walking barefoot, when in other countries even the poorest people at least have slippers/flipflops? What about basic health education? Doesn't anybody teach them that sewer water is bad? You don't need beautiful buildings or art installments to be truly modern. You at least need to have the basics of what a city needs to provide clean water and services to people.

You've got to piss with the cock you got.

Many African nations have had long brutal tribal wars and unreliable governments that are more interested in power over the people than a strong nation. They teach people fear of western ideas and do little to educate people with facts.

Even then, much of Africa is rural in a way that makes rural living as we know it look high class modern. There has been monumental effort to help, but governments, or militaristic armies work to hinder the progress.


Nigeria isn't "most African nations".  It is basically a Gulf nation in Africa instead of the Middle East, and I don't think anyone can afford to challenge the kleptocrats militarily.  There just isn't anything in it for the kleptocrats to provide clean water, so they don't.

When their most famous exports are scams, you'd expect them to be up with Somalia in terms of Libertarian paradises.  But if any nation exemplified the "resource curse", it is Nigeria.
 
2021-09-14 3:04:43 PM  

GreenSun: Serious question. How come countries in Africa seem to have modernization problems? The picture in the article shows people walking barefoot around fresh yucky sewage water and pipes. What's up with that? I've been watching National Geographic since the 80s and nothing really seems to have changed, except people have cellphones now.

This lack of modernization is something that definitely contributes to all sorts of health problems they have. Dirty, unhygienic place means you can get sick very easily. Where are the proper roads and sewage system? Why are people walking barefoot, when in other countries even the poorest people at least have slippers/flipflops? What about basic health education? Doesn't anybody teach them that sewer water is bad? You don't need beautiful buildings or art installments to be truly modern. You at least need to have the basics of what a city needs to provide clean water and services to people.


To maintain modern infrastructure takes a lot of stability: stability in terms of physical security, stability in government, stability of finance, stability of trade, and stability of weather (a lot of what we call "developing" countries are particularly susceptible to monsoons and earthquakes), plus a few other things that I'm not thinking of. Nigeria in particular has had something like half a dozen coups since its founding, a civil war, and an ongoing insurgency, and with a record like that it's tough to get financing for major works like that.
 
2021-09-14 3:11:26 PM  
If only there were a vaccine!

Oh, wait... there is.  I got a booster shot of it a few months ago before traveling to a different part of Africa for a family wedding.  And in the past, I've had the oral one.  It lasts for a few years, if I recall.

But... even with the WHO stockpiling it, it's still somewhere between $2 and $10 per person vaccinated.  And Nigeria's got a bit over 200 million residents, and a vaccine costs as much as a day's pay for the average person, to say nothing of the dirt-poor slum dwellers who don't have formal employment or proper sanitation and are thus most likely to get it.  That picture at the top of TFA looks pretty similar to the stream that flows through the slum near my in-laws' house.

But anyway, a Jeff Bezos type could dig between his couch cushions and come up with enough money to treat every person in Nigeria with a cholera vaccine every few years... if he wanted to.  Just sayin'.
 
2021-09-14 3:15:40 PM  
This looks like a job for IVERMECTIN !

(has to be said with a booming baritone voice)
 
2021-09-14 3:16:24 PM  

dbirchall: If only there were a vaccine!

Oh, wait... there is.  I got a booster shot of it a few months ago before traveling to a different part of Africa for a family wedding.  And in the past, I've had the oral one.  It lasts for a few years, if I recall.

But... even with the WHO stockpiling it, it's still somewhere between $2 and $10 per person vaccinated.  And Nigeria's got a bit over 200 million residents, and a vaccine costs as much as a day's pay for the average person, to say nothing of the dirt-poor slum dwellers who don't have formal employment or proper sanitation and are thus most likely to get it.  That picture at the top of TFA looks pretty similar to the stream that flows through the slum near my in-laws' house.

But anyway, a Jeff Bezos type could dig between his couch cushions and come up with enough money to treat every person in Nigeria with a cholera vaccine every few years... if he wanted to.  Just sayin'.


He is too busy building dick ships.
 
2021-09-14 3:19:23 PM  

Lord Rust: GreenSun: Serious question. How come countries in Africa seem to have modernization problems? The picture in the article shows people walking barefoot around fresh yucky sewage water and pipes. What's up with that? I've been watching National Geographic since the 80s and nothing really seems to have changed, except people have cellphones now.

This lack of modernization is something that definitely contributes to all sorts of health problems they have. Dirty, unhygienic place means you can get sick very easily. Where are the proper roads and sewage system? Why are people walking barefoot, when in other countries even the poorest people at least have slippers/flipflops? What about basic health education? Doesn't anybody teach them that sewer water is bad? You don't need beautiful buildings or art installments to be truly modern. You at least need to have the basics of what a city needs to provide clean water and services to people.

It's at least partially an illusion. The areas where everything is fine do not make the news outside Africa. "Here's a middleclass neighbourhood. Nothing happens here" does not sell.


THIS.

The places you're seeing are the poorest places in those countries.  Either off-grid rural villages with little infrastructure to speak of at all, where everyone is basically a subsistence farmer or pastoralist, or sprawling urban slums where couple and any number of kids will live in a 2-room concrete apartment with no electricity or running water, the adults sharing a latrine and shower room nearby with a dozen other families, and the kids showering by standing under the edge of the roof where the rain pours off.  Not making it up - my wife grew up in exactly that setting.  Been there, seen it.  I might even be able to find a video of her visiting it on YouTube.

200 meters away, across the main road, you have multi-story gleaming glass university buildings, office towers, gated luxury homes, cable or satellite TV, 4G or satellite internet, nice cars, you name it.  You can have modernization in Africa, as long as you can afford it.
 
2021-09-14 3:38:15 PM  

dothemath: Harry Freakstorm: I have witnessed first hand public urination

Your exotic tales I fear are too bold for my enfeebled heart.


In the mythical land of Cantuckee.
 
2021-09-14 4:01:02 PM  

GreenSun: Serious question. How come countries in Africa seem to have modernization problems? The picture in the article shows people walking barefoot around fresh yucky sewage water and pipes. What's up with that? I've been watching National Geographic since the 80s and nothing really seems to have changed, except people have cellphones now.

This lack of modernization is something that definitely contributes to all sorts of health problems they have. Dirty, unhygienic place means you can get sick very easily. Where are the proper roads and sewage system? Why are people walking barefoot, when in other countries even the poorest people at least have slippers/flipflops? What about basic health education? Doesn't anybody teach them that sewer water is bad? You don't need beautiful buildings or art installments to be truly modern. You at least need to have the basics of what a city needs to provide clean water and services to people.


Corruption. The country is the 8th-largest petroleum producer in the world, but the average Nigerian sees no benefit.

Infrastructure is shoddily built, often because of corruption, and also because of cost-saving measures taken by builders.

The photo in the article is of Abuja, the capital. This is selective photography- there are lots of places in Abuja that look modern. There are a lot of slums too.

That girl in particular is probably a slave. Families that have enough money have house boys and house girls. (The UN classifies this system as slavery.) Sometimes they are treated well. Usually they aren't. The family she works for probably doesn't care about her at all.
 
2021-09-14 4:10:51 PM  
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An example of a typical house in a village in Nigeria, in Anambra state, to contrast with the photo in the article. Note that no basic services are provided by the government. The house has a septic tank. It gets water from a well. If we want electricity, we have to use a generator. The roads aren't paved. However, it is clean, and barefoot children are not wading through sewage.
This area would be considered much poorer than Abuja.
 
2021-09-14 4:18:27 PM  

bababa: That girl in particular is probably a slave.


Come again now, Charles...?

You ran the wagon over that child slave thing pretty darn quick.
 
2021-09-14 5:19:35 PM  

frankb00th: GreenSun: Serious question. How come countries in Africa seem to have modernization problems? The picture in the article shows people walking barefoot around fresh yucky sewage water and pipes. What's up with that? I've been watching National Geographic since the 80s and nothing really seems to have changed, except people have cellphones now.

This lack of modernization is something that definitely contributes to all sorts of health problems they have. Dirty, unhygienic place means you can get sick very easily. Where are the proper roads and sewage system? Why are people walking barefoot, when in other countries even the poorest people at least have slippers/flipflops? What about basic health education? Doesn't anybody teach them that sewer water is bad? You don't need beautiful buildings or art installments to be truly modern. You at least need to have the basics of what a city needs to provide clean water and services to people.

This doesnt require an answer, this requires a series of lectures about the ravages of imperialism.
Guns germs and steel is a pretty good book on the root causes.


These places have had the better part of a century to turn things around, yet nothing changes. It's still warlords and cholera everywhere you look. IMO we should give them clean energy infrastructure and prevent the Chinese from exploiting them, but otherwise stay out of Africa. It's up to them to want change.
 
2021-09-14 5:26:02 PM  

dbirchall: If only there were a vaccine!

Oh, wait... there is.  I got a booster shot of it a few months ago before traveling to a different part of Africa for a family wedding.  And in the past, I've had the oral one.  It lasts for a few years, if I recall.

But... even with the WHO stockpiling it, it's still somewhere between $2 and $10 per person vaccinated.  And Nigeria's got a bit over 200 million residents, and a vaccine costs as much as a day's pay for the average person, to say nothing of the dirt-poor slum dwellers who don't have formal employment or proper sanitation and are thus most likely to get it.  That picture at the top of TFA looks pretty similar to the stream that flows through the slum near my in-laws' house.

But anyway, a Jeff Bezos type could dig between his couch cushions and come up with enough money to treat every person in Nigeria with a cholera vaccine every few years... if he wanted to.  Just sayin'.


Yeah but think of how many penis rockets that would cost him. They ganked his astronaut wings, so he has to make another flight. This time high enough.
He has more important things to do with his money.
 
2021-09-14 5:28:32 PM  

GreenSun: Serious question. How come countries in Africa seem to have modernization problems? The picture in the article shows people walking barefoot around fresh yucky sewage water and pipes. What's up with that? I've been watching National Geographic since the 80s and nothing really seems to have changed, except people have cellphones now.

This lack of modernization is something that definitely contributes to all sorts of health problems they have. Dirty, unhygienic place means you can get sick very easily. Where are the proper roads and sewage system? Why are people walking barefoot, when in other countries even the poorest people at least have slippers/flipflops? What about basic health education? Doesn't anybody teach them that sewer water is bad? You don't need beautiful buildings or art installments to be truly modern. You at least need to have the basics of what a city needs to provide clean water and services to people.


My dad had a masters in International Relations on this exact issue. There is no short answer or satisfying solution. Not for any one African country and certainly not for Africa as a whole. Also, levels of development and stability vary widely over the (very large) continent, and vary widely within each country. Congo, with it's interminable civil wars is a very different place than Botswana, with a stable government. Places like Rwanda, where they were killing each other in the streets wholesale are very different places than even 10 years ago. My basic point I guess is that taking a reductivist view of a place as big and varied as Africa just leads to apathy at best and actual racism at worst.

/I'm not saying you are racist, I mean that people of that bent tend to go 'hurr what did you expect when you let ni*bong*s run wild durr.'
//but even people who are genuinely interested can just look at only rural poverty and see no change, and extrapolate it to everywhere in Africa
///long explicative slashies
 
2021-09-14 6:53:24 PM  

dothemath: bababa: That girl in particular is probably a slave.

Come again now, Charles...?

You ran the wagon over that child slave thing pretty darn quick.


It is very common for wealthier families in Nigeria to have house boys and house girls. These are children from rural areas (or poor urban areas) who are sent to cities to do domestic work. You can get them from agents. The agents will be paid. The parents aren't. Sometimes it is a private arrangement where parents can't afford to raise a child, so send them to a family member to work. The children are supposed to be sent to school, but often are not. Again, they are supposed to get some money once they are 18 or so to start a small business, but often that doesn't happen either.
The children are not paid. They can be as young as three. At that age the families are just training them to obey, to go fetch things and so on.
The first house girl I knew was 7. She was distantly related to the family. They had a store and small beer garden. She washed the dishes, served beer, took care of the owner's grandchild, ran errands, and cleaned. She was sent to school.
 
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